Thanks all the team by share another great session!!! ;D ;D
Session 20 August 2011
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Don Genaro
Jedi Council Member
Thank you all for this. Like many others I was struck by the quote:
I'm currently reading Deep Nutrition and this morning I read a story she tells of the Maasai tribe:
This also struck home hard. As I've been working on the diet, recognizing "food anxiety" such as dismay at realizing that I might have to limit protein intake I've also been realizing how selfish I have been about food. In fact it makes me think how probably most of us have spent our lives behaving like "suitors", gorging ourselves on three-course meals, never once questioning where it had come from when so much less would have done. Of course a lot of it is addiction (carbs) and programming (in my case being praised for having such a good appetite).
This has been humbling and it reminds me of the Native American and other indigenous tribes respect for Mother Earth, to not take too much (more than you need). I'm learning a whole new respect for life here. Years ago I stopped saying grace before meals as I rejected anything to do with the church and threw the baby out with the bathwater. The predator liked this as it was less time to wait before stuffing myself. I'll be thanking DCM from now on. Thank you!
I'm currently reading Deep Nutrition and this morning I read a story she tells of the Maasai tribe:
This also struck home hard. As I've been working on the diet, recognizing "food anxiety" such as dismay at realizing that I might have to limit protein intake I've also been realizing how selfish I have been about food. In fact it makes me think how probably most of us have spent our lives behaving like "suitors", gorging ourselves on three-course meals, never once questioning where it had come from when so much less would have done. Of course a lot of it is addiction (carbs) and programming (in my case being praised for having such a good appetite).
This has been humbling and it reminds me of the Native American and other indigenous tribes respect for Mother Earth, to not take too much (more than you need). I'm learning a whole new respect for life here. Years ago I stopped saying grace before meals as I rejected anything to do with the church and threw the baby out with the bathwater. The predator liked this as it was less time to wait before stuffing myself. I'll be thanking DCM from now on. Thank you!
Always interesting to read these session transcripts - thanks!!!
I found the diet questions useful, as a lot of us have putting a lot of energy into that area lately, as the LWB thread is showing. The idea of it being a sacrament also gave me a deeper emotional connection to eating. A true communion with Mother Earth.
If this frankenfat that has been pushed upon the people is causing Morgellons in the worst case, it has obviously been slowly but surely damaging people over the years.
I couldn't help but think when Psyche, Perceval and Bubbles asked about essences of countries/cultures, that the top of the list would be Scandinavian countries as the ponerization does not seem so obvious, and the social system is looking after a good chunk of the population - but being so far north they are the ones that are likely gonna be worst hit in a few years, so therefore these countries did not make the "C"s list. Also the ponerization is happening clearly behind the scenes in those countries too.
Good point about French revolution, and reminder how these great ideas are almost always co-opted and twisted.
I found the diet questions useful, as a lot of us have putting a lot of energy into that area lately, as the LWB thread is showing. The idea of it being a sacrament also gave me a deeper emotional connection to eating. A true communion with Mother Earth.
If this frankenfat that has been pushed upon the people is causing Morgellons in the worst case, it has obviously been slowly but surely damaging people over the years.
I couldn't help but think when Psyche, Perceval and Bubbles asked about essences of countries/cultures, that the top of the list would be Scandinavian countries as the ponerization does not seem so obvious, and the social system is looking after a good chunk of the population - but being so far north they are the ones that are likely gonna be worst hit in a few years, so therefore these countries did not make the "C"s list. Also the ponerization is happening clearly behind the scenes in those countries too.
Good point about French revolution, and reminder how these great ideas are almost always co-opted and twisted.
Biomiast
Jedi Master
Hi,
Very informative and helpful session, thanks everyone for their efforts.
Shamanism and schizophrenia part is interesting, because same correlation is available in literature, if you take a look at google scholar for the studies linking schizophrenia and shamanism. Basically the researchers think that schizophrenia is a byproduct of shamanic evolution, which is important for group selection. Evidence of this is implied in schizotypy studies and there is a very good lecture from Prof. Robert Sapolsky in here about this condition and what he calls metamagical thinking, a feature of shamans. It is a low quality video, but very informative about the current mainstream approach towards the subject.
Very informative and helpful session, thanks everyone for their efforts.
Shamanism and schizophrenia part is interesting, because same correlation is available in literature, if you take a look at google scholar for the studies linking schizophrenia and shamanism. Basically the researchers think that schizophrenia is a byproduct of shamanic evolution, which is important for group selection. Evidence of this is implied in schizotypy studies and there is a very good lecture from Prof. Robert Sapolsky in here about this condition and what he calls metamagical thinking, a feature of shamans. It is a low quality video, but very informative about the current mainstream approach towards the subject.
Psalehesost
The Living Force
On the other hand, there's deep and inhibiting social conditioning (for example that which is recognized in the 'Jante Law'). And on the whole, everything tends very much towards the 'conventional' - while this works to make a somewhat more 'caring' society (at present, though this is changing) due to the nature of what has become conventional, it also very much stifles thinking outside the box in most - and interaction tends to be very, very surface level, avoiding any possible points of controversy or anything 'unusual'. That's present in pretty much every society, but I think it's stronger in Scandinavia.Jefferson said:
Don Genaro
Jedi Council Member
manza said:
Welcome to the forum Manza. Do you don't mind my asking but are you a vegetarian?
happyliza
The Living Force
Ailén said:
Thanks Ailen - pork is my favourite meat and I find the most versatile. Pigs would be my first choice but external considering means that I have to respect where I live and moslems don't like to eat pork as we know. Nor will they eat at a restaurant where it is also on the menu. If I can get to do my project up in the mountains I mayhave a chance. I have always preferred the fat and marrow on meat as well as the crackling! Yum. Will update again on the Life without bread thread -I miss the bacon sarnies! With chickens the skin is my favourite. Don't mean to make you hungry :P
FWIW on another topic about gluttony. I have helped people with lifestyle choices in in the past. A very important question that I ask people to keep in mind is :
DO YOU EAT TO LIVE, OR, LIVE TO EAT.
manza said:
Manza, welcome to the forum. Please check out the newbies board where we encourage all new members to post a little introduction about themselves.
As for this message, perhaps you are just having trouble with vocabulary and perhaps aren't very familiar with the concepts here, but your post comes across as deliberately provocative. There are several assumptions and suggestive innuendos. First of all, exterminate means to destroy completely. Think of roaches or genocide and that's the impression the word leaves in the minds of many. We are not discussing extermination. We are discussing killing for the purpose of eating. And yes, it is STS. This world is an STS world after all, and we are STS beings. Nothing can survive without taking the "life force" of other beings. It's called nature. Decomposing lifeforms feed the soil and the plants, those plants feed higher lifeforms, and those animals feed other animals. It's quite simple, really, but in this day and age where we are almost wholly removed from nature, this fact gets lost on a lot of people. For me, at least, the question is: would I rather live in ignorance of the facts of life and nature and deny my place in it, or accept that death is a part of life, that nothing lives without the life provided by other lifeforms, and that I am a part of natural process of balance?
manza said:
I think the very act of eating either meat, vegetables or fruit is STS.
We are STS. The need for food is included in the package.
I think the important thing is to learn what food is best for our STS body.
Mr. Premise
The Living Force
manza said:
As AI suggested, 'extermination' means making the species extinct. Killing individual members is different. Plus the animals we eat are domesticated and never would even exist if people did not eat them.
eleane_kaos
A Disturbance in the Force
Thanks for sharing Laura :D
Thank you, all of you, for another great-info filled session! 
For me too. Having worked with people with psychotic disorders for many years, I am not surprised at the link between shamanism and schizophrenia. I always felt that they had a great capacity to be "spiritual" - for lack of better word - but that capacity was somehow suppressed. I used to think that it had to do with environmental factors in their early life. Considering now that it is our poisonous grain/sugar-filled diet mostly that suppresses certain genetics from expressing, it does seem that agriculture is in reality a war against nature and humanity. What's there to fear from a zombie-like populace whose bodies and minds are too starved to render able to think and act in any meaningful way?
manza, I invite you to read the research on the effects of grain/sugar eating on the human body/mind, o understand what it is we are talking about here. It's pretty long, but this thread here, and this one, are a good place to start.
thorbiorn said:
For me too. Having worked with people with psychotic disorders for many years, I am not surprised at the link between shamanism and schizophrenia. I always felt that they had a great capacity to be "spiritual" - for lack of better word - but that capacity was somehow suppressed. I used to think that it had to do with environmental factors in their early life. Considering now that it is our poisonous grain/sugar-filled diet mostly that suppresses certain genetics from expressing, it does seem that agriculture is in reality a war against nature and humanity. What's there to fear from a zombie-like populace whose bodies and minds are too starved to render able to think and act in any meaningful way?
manza said:
manza, I invite you to read the research on the effects of grain/sugar eating on the human body/mind, o understand what it is we are talking about here. It's pretty long, but this thread here, and this one, are a good place to start.
Approaching Infinity said:
Thank you for your response. My words are not meant to be provocative. I want to understand your point of view.
We have to eat a little bit to survive in this reality. It is absurd imo and a STS-concept. It seems we both agree it's STS.
However, to kill other life forms not only to survive but to get their consciousness sounds even more STS to me.
Do you believe animals have more consciuosness than plants?
If yes, is this why you prefer to consume animals in order to get more consciousness for yourself?
Do you believe humans beings have more consciousness than animals?
If yes, why don't you eat human beings? You could consider it a gift from Mother Nature/Earth.
This question is not meant to be provocative although it may sound like it. I would like to know your response.
One more question, what do you want to do and to get with this extra consciousness?
