Session 20 June 2009

[mabar]

I want to share something, dont know if this happens with others members of this forum, but for me the transcripts are like a library. One can seek a topic, then with the info and "hints" one can seek on google or books. I´ve been doing this for a long time with the search option. Is amazing the things you can find.

I dont believe the contact is dismished, Laura gave us the example, is up to us to continue learning. Even the birds know that birdie mom will let them fly alone.

Thank you for getting it! Just as I have been taught to think, to research, to stay open, to not anticipate, to accept that we do LIVE IN AN OPEN SYSTEM, I try to lead others through exercises, activities, discussions, that will get them there also! It's a great feeling to no long need to have my life underwritten by some kind of assurance that nothing bad is going to happen. So much depends on me, on how much I learn, how I master myself, what I choose, and the same is true for everyone.

Something similar had happend to me also, Puma1974. With its variables. It's been a good surprise. I didn't like/want to learn/read/search.
Thanks Laura, I had been learning to live within the package as you expressed above.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Have to agree that it's a kinda natural process that sessions would become less frequent over the years and Laura and crew would become more self-reliant. Also have to say that using the psychomantium would be really intriguing to get some more data in an "unconventional" way to help sort out the huge mess with "official history." If you decide to pursue it, I'm really looking forward to what comes out of it.

 

[Puma]

So it seems that we have about ten months left. Zero started the counting in January 2010. But can that be confirmed now? I have serious decisions to be made, which can not be avoided, and a lot depends on whether or not the Wave actually arrives in about 10 months. If I make a mistake, I'll have to "move out of the world" in a year. If I do not do anything now, both me and some relatives of mine will suffer. I cannot not tell you more about my situation as it is too complicated and private. Anyway, I am not going to regret at all that I will leave this silly world. So all I need to know is some confirmation, in the next session, about the date of the Wave arrival.

I doubt that the "zero new year" has anything to do with "The Wave". There is so much going on. My best guess is that it is the initiation of the "New World Order" which will last for some time before anything like "The Wave" arrives.

Also, The Wave's "arrival" will be different for different groups of people depending on their "receivership capability". For some it will be "riding the wave" and for others it will be "going under." It's not where you are, but WHO you are and what you SEE. It seems that if you don't even yet see that this "zero new year" is not the wave, then you are not in the loop. You need to do a lot of work to get there.

Hello everybody

Given the state of the world I'm agree about 2014 as the "zero new year" and the initiation of the "New World Order" as Laura wrote. But a initiation in the open to all the world to see and feel.

I Remember the C´s talk about "5D city on a hill" and USA destruction:

Session Date: September 3rd 2008

A: USA heading for destruction!
[..]
Q: (L) Okay. Why do you introduce tonight's adventures with "US is headed for destruction"?
A: Passed the point when anything could possibly be done to change the outcome.
Q: (L) What is this outcome?
A: Increasing inner turmoil. Review what happened in Germany.
Q: (L) Well, what happened in Germany in what period?
A: Towards the end of the war. Hitler's madness and the hatred of the world towards Germany.

Comes to my mind the final result of the NWO. The hate of the world toward USA is building up nowadays...because of the NSA spy programs, the "13 year rampage that has reduced large swathes of Central Asia and the Middle East to anarchy and ruin", The Ukraine crisis...the possible WW3..etc.

and then ..."the cosmic stuff will take its toll"...bacause of that hate.

Who are we? the ones that "rode the wave" i.e. the ones that pay attention to reality from "right to left" or made the life their religion because of the continuous learning or the ones that "go under" and waited for a leader for salvation?

For me the wave is reality... is NOW the "time is now"? Each second, hour, day...

Are we waiting for a date of arrival? We'll be disappointed as a christian waiting for a second coming.

 

[alteroru486]

Puma1974, why should you be disappointed? I would be, if it turned out that I was not moved to the fourth density. This STS environment has been making me sick since I was a child. Extreme hatred, jealousy and selfishness dominates throughout the globe. Sick chase for money and desire (figuratively) to drown other people even members of one's own family. I do not need ten years of bad experience of living here, nor do I need ten million years. Just a few days tells me everything. I cannot even imagine that STS can exist at all. That has always been beyond my comprehension. It seems, that for some sick reason, people very much like to fight with each other to climb a social ladder, that is similar to life and death struggle. Money is necessary to survive but society will not give you the money. Society will not let you "move out" (of this world) either. So millions of people starve for no reason at all as all necessary technologies that allow to produce everything like free food and other things are available but only to people in power. They have been suppressed by the powers that be since the assasination of J.F.Kennedy. Continual wars between countries. Very short life span and many diseases. A lot of disabled people having incurable diseases. Some of people deserve that, but a lot of them do not. Most people are addicted to something, especially to sexual activity. As extraterrestrials say: "Hell does not exist, only in such planets as the Earth."

 

[MrEightFive]

Puma1974, why should you be disappointed? I would be, if it turned out that I was not moved to the fourth density. This STS environment has been making me sick since I was a child. Extreme hatred, jealousy and selfishness dominates throughout the globe. Sick chase for money and desire (figuratively) to drown other people even members of one's own family. I do not need ten years of bad experience of living here, nor do I need ten million years. Just a few days tells me everything. I cannot even imagine that STS can exist at all. That has always been beyond my comprehension. It seems, that for some sick reason, people very much like to fight with each other to climb a social ladder, that is similar to life and death struggle. Money is necessary to survive but society will not give you the money. Society will not let you "move out" (of this world) either. So millions of people starve for no reason at all as all necessary technologies that allow to produce everything like free food and other things are available but only to people in power. They have been suppressed by the powers that be since the assasination of J.F.Kennedy. Continual wars between countries. Very short life span and many diseases. A lot of disabled people having incurable diseases. Some of people deserve that, but a lot of them do not. Most people are addicted to something, especially to sexual activity. As extraterrestrials say: "Hell does not exist, only in such planets as the Earth."

Think about it... Maybe your lesson here is to learn by experience that STS are very 'real' and exist, how they operate, what they do to each and other an those who have lesser capacity. And then for you to expose, to escape, to show the path.

 

[Laura]

Alteroru486, I think you need to watch my video series to learn a bit about 4D and how it manifests in our lives and what moving to another reality might actually be like, and how it may actually be effected.

The first ones aren't about that directly, but one thing leads to another and by the time you finish with the 5th one, you'll know something.

 

[paralleloscope]

Puma1974, why should you be disappointed? I would be, if it turned out that I was not moved to the fourth density. This STS environment has been making me sick since I was a child. Extreme hatred, jealousy and selfishness dominates throughout the globe. Sick chase for money and desire (figuratively) to drown other people even members of one's own family. I do not need ten years of bad experience of living here, nor do I need ten million years. Just a few days tells me everything. I cannot even imagine that STS can exist at all. That has always been beyond my comprehension. It seems, that for some sick reason, people very much like to fight with each other to climb a social ladder, that is similar to life and death struggle. Money is necessary to survive but society will not give you the money. Society will not let you "move out" (of this world) either. So millions of people starve for no reason at all as all necessary technologies that allow to produce everything like free food and other things are available but only to people in power. They have been suppressed by the powers that be since the assasination of J.F.Kennedy. Continual wars between countries. Very short life span and many diseases. A lot of disabled people having incurable diseases. Some of people deserve that, but a lot of them do not. Most people are addicted to something, especially to sexual activity. As extraterrestrials say: "Hell does not exist, only in such planets as the Earth."

Think about it... Maybe your lesson here is to learn by experience that STS are very 'real' and exist, how they operate, what they do to each and other an those who have lesser capacity. And then for you to expose, to escape, to show the path.

Yes, it will feel sickening seeing STS's manifestations, if one has an inkling about what the Universe is about, and how things could be. Not only is STS a fact of life but it seems to be where we fit, and we have all been taken in by it on so many levels. Which is where the netWork becomes important, if one has any aspirations of becoming free from this system; to See, unlearn lies and let the universe know that we can become helpful in its possibility of truth working though us.

Alteroru486, maybe your mindset and its anticipation of being moved to 4th Density is a hindrance to learning whatever you came here to learn? If we wish for something different than what we've seen so far, we need to set ourselves free from STS manifestations such as wishful thinking, and anticipation seems to be a related infliction. The best antidote to lies I know is having this network in my life- continuous knowledge input and its application. Personally I dislike repetition, but it's what I need, to be repeatedly shown in different ways, how my thinking is stuck in the mires of STS.

 

[davey72]

Think about it... Maybe your lesson here is to learn by experience that STS are very 'real' and exist, how they operate, what they do to each and other an those who have lesser capacity. And then for you to expose, to escape, to show the path.

I have the distinct feeling that one of the greatest,yet simplest messages from the C's is that the things we are most resistant to learning are likely the very things we came here to learn.

 

[alteroru486]

I have the distinct feeling that one of the greatest,yet simplest messages from the C's is that the things we are most resistant to learning are likely the very things we came here to learn.

I think you're right about most people, but I doubt whether it concerns me. "The lesson" usually consists of doing some stupid things in one's life, and after many years, people draw conclusions and change their behavior. It happens that people throughout their lives do not draw any conclusions but in these situations, they always think that life on Earth is basically interesting and would like to repeat them (another life - reincarnation). In my case it is quite different. I knew as a child that I was in the wrong place, I knew it was a strange world in which people were selfish and isolated from each other and I feel exactly the same after many years. Perhaps I was "sent on a mission (?)" But I do not know that for sure because I'm not susceptible to hypnosis and cannot determine that.

 

[luke wilson]

I have the distinct feeling that one of the greatest,yet simplest messages from the C's is that the things we are most resistant to learning are likely the very things we came here to learn.

I think you're right about most people, but I doubt whether it concerns me. "The lesson" usually consists of doing some stupid things in one's life, and after many years, people draw conclusions and change their behavior. It happens that people throughout their lives do not draw any conclusions but in these situations, they always think that life on Earth is basically interesting and would like to repeat them (another life - reincarnation). In my case it is quite different. I knew as a child that I was in the wrong place, I knew it was a strange world in which people were selfish and isolated from each other and I feel exactly the same after many years. Perhaps I was "sent on a mission (?)" But I do not know that for sure because I'm not susceptible to hypnosis and cannot determine that.

You may feel you are in the wrong place and all that but as things stand, this is where you are.

Perhaps I was "sent on a mission (?)" But I do not know that for sure because I'm not susceptible to hypnosis and cannot determine that.

Why were you sent? That sounds like wherever you came from was also bad for them to send you without what appears to be your consent?

Trying to point out that maybe what you are doing now is basically cutting yourself off from things that are happening around you because you have come up with some all encompassing conclusions and that this justifies you basically stick your head in the sand and wait until such a day that you can be sent back to wherever you think you came from.

I would be, if it turned out that I was not moved to the fourth density.

Were you the type at school after getting a bad result who concluded, "They gave me a bad result?" rather than "I think I need to work harder than I did last time as I didn't get the result I wanted?"

I accept the world is a big place and that we can rarely control things as individuals but to think you are entirely powerless in anything, well... maybe that is a form of shedding all responsibility and trying to get one over what you perceive to be the all encompassing decision maker of the universe... I smell shades of Christian programming with the whole sacrificial lamb thing.

 

[alteroru486]

I like the idea of learning but not when difficulties are overwelming and it is not all right to put anyone in such an environment, where difficulties are much bigger than one's ability to overcome them. For example, put a primary school pupil at university lectures and tell them that they have to finish university or otherwise they will starve or be burned at stake.

 

[Laura]

I like the idea of learning but not when difficulties are overwelming and it is not all right to put anyone in such an environment, where difficulties are much bigger than one's ability to overcome them. For example, put a primary school pupil at university lectures and tell them that they have to finish university or otherwise they will starve or be burned at stake.

I understand what you are saying, but it is not exactly like that. As I said, watch the videos.

 

[Leonarda]

Hi Alteroru486, have you read any of the books in the recommended section? I also used to "believe" I was special, then I started reading about psychology and I discovered that I come from a narcissistic family with a Catholic background, which explains a lot.

I also "believed" I was doing repetitive and absurd things in life, but then I started reading Gurdjieff and Mouravieff and I realized that in reality I didn't know anything about myself, that there were different centres and laws that I could identify and work on and this is very hard work and it will take the rest of my life.

And then of course you have jaw-droppings discoveries in the field of history, you have very serious investigations about physics, the paranormal, politics, DNA changes that CAN change your life.. Does any of this interest you?

If you are worried about your location and your family you can start a thread and explain your situation. Intelligent decisions are made by applying the knowledge that you have, but If you don't have any because you don't want to make the effort of learning..

What I am trying to say is that no matter your personal situation here you are given an amazing opportunity to learn about anything you can possibly need in life!Why waste your time worrying about things you can't control when there is so much you can do? Laura said in one of her knowledge and being videos (answering to a woman who wanted her to resume 30 years of work in 25 words of less) that there is no free lunch in the universe, and if you think there is, you are lunch!

 

[davey72]

I have the distinct feeling that one of the greatest,yet simplest messages from the C's is that the things we are most resistant to learning are likely the very things we came here to learn.

I think you're right about most people, but I doubt whether it concerns me. "The lesson" usually consists of doing some stupid things in one's life, and after many years, people draw conclusions and change their behavior. It happens that people throughout their lives do not draw any conclusions but in these situations, they always think that life on Earth is basically interesting and would like to repeat them (another life - reincarnation). In my case it is quite different. I knew as a child that I was in the wrong place, I knew it was a strange world in which people were selfish and isolated from each other and I feel exactly the same after many years. Perhaps I was "sent on a mission (?)" But I do not know that for sure because I'm not susceptible to hypnosis and cannot determine that.

This is the same way i used to feel, but it was wishful thinking on my part, and the very resistance to learning that i was speaking of. I now see it as my greatest challenge. I may not make it, but i know i have to try cause i really don't want to have to come back, and start all over. OSIT.

 

[davey72]

I like the idea of learning but not when difficulties are overwhelming and it is not all right to put anyone in such an environment, where difficulties are much bigger than one's ability to overcome them. For example, put a primary school pupil at university lectures and tell them that they have to finish university or otherwise they will starve or be burned at stake.

What if it was you yourself that put you here?

What Leonarda says above carries a lot of weight. It is hard to see the forest through the trees at the point you are on now, and can be daunting. Gurdjieff said to focus on small goals, as big ones are too overwhelming. In this respect, i like ARK's quote which says something to the effect that the only thing the universe really wants from you is to be kind, and help others, and basically not stagnate (I can't seem to find it). The more small goals one accomplishes the easier they are to start. Have you read Ouspensky's "in search of the miraculous", and Laura's "the wave"? These would be a really good goal to start. imo.

Jung said "One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious."

There is a balance in the universe, and i don't think we can successfully navigate it without acknowledging both sides. Again just my opinion.