Session 22 February 2010

[slowone]

Oh my, this was a disturbing read. Much food for thought... After all the reading and the Wave books it still boggles my mind how easily one's thoughts and feelings can be used. It is profoundly disturbing.

Also, there was something I didn't mention: the crab walking. This was the strangest thing I've ever seen a child do.

I had a little toddler in one of my classes moving just like what you have described! I had never seen it in my life and found it very odd. He didn't have signs of any strange behaviour apart from that very strange way of moving, but his mother was concerned because she thought it could be a sign of dyslexia. Apparently her brother has severe dyslexia as well.
Now I am a little concerned, it's now been a few months since I last saw him. I will ask the mother how has he been doing.

Thank you for sharing this Laura, I really appreciate the fact that it surely wasn't an easy decision!
I hope you are all feeling better at the Chateau.

My Eldest son is Dyslexic although not severely. He never crawled. I remember when he was being tested for Dyslexia that it is one of the questions they asked about development. Did they crawl. Its that cross brain co-ordination I think that actual crawling requires.

Crawling is the single most important predictor for developmental issues. A child can be a late or early walker, or a late or early talker -- it doesn't matter, as long as he/she sits up by the age of 6 months there isn't much else to go by other then that. There was a recent study by one professor who looked at video tapes of autistic children and saw a lot of uncoordinated crawling just like the one described above. You really want to see right-left hand-leg coordination in crawling by this age especially. But -- this is common knowledge among educational psychologists, early ed teachers and special ed teachers; there are whole therapy methods built around promoting these skills in young kids (e.g., Brain Gym), it's even TOLD to parents by pediatricians now! The fact that Sue is a special ed teacher and didn't take notice of that is mind-boggling, that's serious denial.

Crawling is also necessary to develop the visual system. It is crawling, the baby putting his nose up close to objects, that develops the visual pathways for proper focusing. Parents are told to encourage their children to first crawl, not walk. This developmental step is vital. It would be interesting to see the refractive errors of autistic children. On top of everything else, their eyes are likely not working or developing normally eiher!

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[Laura]

You *do* have everything already plugged into a high quality surge protector, right? :D

Yes, we do. That's why it was considered odd.

 

[Laura]

My Eldest son is Dyslexic although not severely. He never crawled. I remember when he was being tested for Dyslexia that it is one of the questions they asked about development. Did they crawl. Its that cross brain co-ordination I think that actual crawling requires.

Yes, crawling is very important. I've been reading some more on the topic and some experts say that if a child goes from the crab thing to pulling up and walking holding onto things, then regular walking, it is very bad because they skip proper crawling and doing it properly is key to a lot of brain development systems.

 

[jhonny]

Thanks Laura for sharing this session.
Sorry for the unpleasant situation, but this gives us an idea of what can happen in our environment if we "open" the gates to all

 

[Zaphod]

Many thanks for sharing this session, although it did make for uncomfortable reading. It certainly resonates on some level with my own past experiences but luckily enough, such women I've encountered in the past, have had a natural response of taking a dislike to me in a fairly short space of time.. lucky me .. although I don't remember feeling that way at the time.

My sympathies go out to Bob .. This form of attack is incredibly powerful; it tweaks at numerous emotional centres on many different levels and although, as has been pointed out by many already, STS thinking is our worst enemy in these situations, it's hard to reconcile that concept with the apparently natural desire for close human interaction and sharing your existence on every level, with another person. That concept has such a powerful attraction because it's one of those few things we humans experience, that really is as good as it's cracked up to be.. better, even.

So, to quote my siggy, 'The test of any trap is not, whether or not you see it, but whether or not you are caught'. Or to paraphrase: how on earth do you go about protecting yourself from this level of attack? .. once these people are 'in', the problem you face grows inexorably in both magnitude and complexity but I can't think of a sensible way of weeding them out before their poison does the damage.

I think I'd also say, dating websites seem to be getting a bad rap in this thread and I'm not sure that's entirely fair. You wouldn't cast aspersions about the nature of Starbucks, based solely on the premise that you met your psychopathic wife in a coffee house. You could say in responce that were it not for e-harmony, Bob would not be in this mess but the reality is, there are infinite ways that people with malicious intent can insert themselves in to your life.. even when you're not consciously inviting anyone in.. It seems to me (based purely on this thread) that Bob had reached a stage in his life where he wanted close companionship apparently as a primary life goal and that is just so understandably natural.. If not a dating website, there are plenty of other avenues

 

[Scheherazade]

Thank you for the transcript, I can't find enough words to thank you for all your (team) efforts.

 

[Nević Nenad]

. . . . I would say that Sue is VERY good. She's cute, small, helpless looking, and very well preserved for her age, looking like someone in their 20s. The one thing that gives her away is her hands. She has really old-looking, ugly hands, like the hands of a witch. When I noticed them, I was actually shocked at the discrepancy between her hands and the rest of her . . . .

It’s like: she can hide who she is, but can’t hide what she does.

Thanks for the session

 

[Mrs. Peel]

This entire situation has had me thinking very deeply about a few things.

One- was my own “leave of absence” in regards to receiving mirror from the forum and no accepting the truth as it was. I acted like Bob, but deep down I left the possibility that what everyone was saying maybe right and that I was wrong. And because of that, I didn’t unsub or ask to be unsubed because I knew deep down that I cannot deny the work being put here is different than ANY other place I have ever seen. I realize how much I took away from my own self and self-growth by taking a leave and this is exactly what Bob is doing and most likely will go through once he realizes that his child IS autistic in a few years, and that the information that was given was for his best interest. And most likely he will regret leaving, but sadly by then it may be too late...

Hi Deedlet,

Do you think you might be projecting your own experience onto Bob here? We really do not know what he will do, and to surmise that at some point he will likely react as you did, could be just wishful thinking, IMO.

 

[tom32071]

Hmmmm... I've heard a story quite similar to "Bob" and "Sue's" somewhere before.

 

[mcb]

You *do* have everything already plugged into a high quality surge protector, right? :D

Yes, we do. That's why it was considered odd.

Surge protectors only protect against certain things. I saw something similar after something happened to one of the three power lines (phases) coming into an organization's offices, causing some outlets to go lower in voltage and others higher. They had no UPSs for the desktop PCs and were fortunate that it only took out one computer.

It might be just the power supply that was affected, which can be replaced for much less than the whole system. The power is bad here on the block where I live (in California) and we have UPSs for our computers plus a standby natural gas generator!

 

[Gertrudes]

My Eldest son is Dyslexic although not severely. He never crawled. I remember when he was being tested for Dyslexia that it is one of the questions they asked about development. Did they crawl. Its that cross brain co-ordination I think that actual crawling requires.

Yes, crawling is very important. I've been reading some more on the topic and some experts say that if a child goes from the crab thing to pulling up and walking holding onto things, then regular walking, it is very bad because they skip proper crawling and doing it properly is key to a lot of brain development systems.

Yes, very true.
The mother of the toddler I have mentioned previously was also aware of the importance of proper crawling and took him to a few doctors to try to get him to do so, which he never managed to. Eventually he began to stand up, he went straight from crab crawling into walking. He seemed to be normal concerning his social skills, so it would be interesting to see whether this behaviour will be manifested later on in dyslexia, such as what happened with your son Slowone.

 

[fille des bois]

thank you so much for sharing this difficult session. I realize that for Bob and Sue that it is a family tragedy without solutions .It's the second time i try to post this afternoon . The first post was longer but i think it is lost sorry

 

[Gimpy]

. . . . I would say that Sue is VERY good. She's cute, small, helpless looking, and very well preserved for her age, looking like someone in their 20s. The one thing that gives her away is her hands. She has really old-looking, ugly hands, like the hands of a witch. When I noticed them, I was actually shocked at the discrepancy between her hands and the rest of her . . . .

It’s like: she can hide who she is, but can’t hide what she does.

Thanks for the session

This was also true of my brother in law's wife: very petite, young looking for her age, etc. The first red flag? When she wasn't around other people, she sat around like a robot. It was eerie.

 

[Laura]

. . . . I would say that Sue is VERY good. She's cute, small, helpless looking, and very well preserved for her age, looking like someone in their 20s. The one thing that gives her away is her hands. She has really old-looking, ugly hands, like the hands of a witch. When I noticed them, I was actually shocked at the discrepancy between her hands and the rest of her . . . .

It’s like: she can hide who she is, but can’t hide what she does.

Thanks for the session

Glad you caught that. It was something that really bugged me and I could find no explanation for it. I'm sure she doesn't have her hands in harsh detergents, scrubbing clothes or floors by hand for hours a day, and that IS how they looked. With very knobby, disfigured fingers and everything. Totally bizarre when taken with the rest of her appearance. I just felt that there was something really symbolic about it.

 

[Rabelais]

Surge protectors only protect against certain things. I saw something similar after something happened to one of the three power lines (phases) coming into an organization's offices, causing some outlets to go lower in voltage and others higher. They had no UPSs for the desktop PCs and were fortunate that it only took out one computer.

It might be just the power supply that was affected, which can be replaced for much less than the whole system. The power is bad here on the block where I live (in California) and we have UPSs for our computers plus a standby natural gas generator!

Given the adherence to the concept of strategic enclosure, and the fact that there are some extraordinarily capable "techies" in residence at the chateau, you can bet that the layers of protection on their equipment is the best available. Unfortunately the equipment suppliers have not yet come to grips with the glitches that can come from 4D STS.