Session 23 January 2016

[Skyalmian]

I believe Pierre is referring to this one.

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Prelude to the Pacific Northwest 'big one'? Mini tsunami in Washington caught on video

Yeah, that's the one. The "experts" claimed it was caused by a storm, but I've seen water come in caused by a storm and it doesn't move the same way; it isn't a "wave" like that video shows. That "mini tsunami" reminded me of the two big ones we've witnessed in the past dozen years, both caused by undersea earthquakes: Indonesia and Japan.

"We have warned of [Mount] Ra{i}nier." has been on mind. IF that is to be another warning sign before—if it goes active in any way, shape, or form—time to go immediately then?

 

[Ruth]

Quote re This Queen Elizabeth serious illness, blood related... - as mentioned in the transcript 21 years ago

I try hard to reconcile that with a woman approaching her 90th birthday and the fact I have never seen her having been declared ill.

It's possible they may have meant her mum?

 

[Ruth]

"We have warned of [Mount] Ra{i}nier." has been on mind. IF that is to be another warning sign before—if it goes active in any way, shape, or form—time to go immediately then?

I would start thinking of making preparations, having an emergency evacuation plan etc or at least thinking about these things. It really worried me that the FIMA representative stated that everything west of highway (101?) was going to be 'toast' if there was a big subduction earthquake and tsunami.

 

[Pierre]

"We have warned of [Mount] Ra{i}nier." has been on mind. IF that is to be another warning sign before—if it goes active in any way, shape, or form—time to go immediately then?

I would start thinking of making preparations, having an emergency evacuation plan etc or at least thinking about these things. It really worried me that the FIMA representative stated that everything west of highway (101?) was going to be 'toast' if there was a big subduction earthquake and tsunami.

Yes. If I was living on the US West coast I would try to move away but I would first make sure to have a viable relocation plan though. Fact is many indicators of seismic activity are occurring now: sinkholes, drained lakes, quakes, tsunamis, methane leaks, swarms of dead sea creatures, trumpets of Jericho, strong El Nino, magnetic anomalies...

Interesting that you mention Mount Rainier. Actually on January 2nd, a 3.1 quake was recorded in this area.

The excerpt you refer to and that mentions the Rainier warning also mentions the 10.4 quake, and a 150 meter tsunami in Puget Sound:

We estimate 10.4 on the Richter scale. We have warned of Rainier. Imagine a 150 meter high tsunami in Puget Sound...

Actually, a 150 meter tsunami wave is consistent with a quake that is about 10.4 in magnitude according to recent research

 

[Kika]

Thanks for the links Kika!

You're welcome, beetlemaniac.
I read the first book (and some others, like multiple sources :)) many years ago. Despite that I caught me, the last few weeks, as I notice piles that accumulate in certain areas of the house and I pass them, "not today, tomorrow." Mention of blocked energy by Cs, for me it was also "wake up - shot in the butt."

 

[Beau]

"We have warned of [Mount] Ra{i}nier." has been on mind. IF that is to be another warning sign before—if it goes active in any way, shape, or form—time to go immediately then?

I would start thinking of making preparations, having an emergency evacuation plan etc or at least thinking about these things. It really worried me that the FIMA representative stated that everything west of highway (101?) was going to be 'toast' if there was a big subduction earthquake and tsunami.

It was Interstate 5:

Flick your right fingers outward, forcefully, so that your hand flattens back down again. When the next very big earthquake hits, the northwest edge of the continent, from California to Canada and the continental shelf to the Cascades, will drop by as much as six feet and rebound thirty to a hundred feet to the west—losing, within minutes, all the elevation and compression it has gained over centuries. Some of that shift will take place beneath the ocean, displacing a colossal quantity of seawater. (Watch what your fingertips do when you flatten your hand.) The water will surge upward into a huge hill, then promptly collapse. One side will rush west, toward Japan. The other side will rush east, in a seven-hundred-mile liquid wall that will reach the Northwest coast, on average, fifteen minutes after the earthquake begins. By the time the shaking has ceased and the tsunami has receded, the region will be unrecognizable. Kenneth Murphy, who directs FEMA’s Region X, the division responsible for Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Alaska, says, “Our operating assumption is that everything west of Interstate 5 will be toast.”

There's also this from the same article, which breaks down the likely scenario in case of a tsunami/earthquake in the Pacific Northwest:

The first sign that the Cascadia earthquake has begun will be a compressional wave, radiating outward from the fault line. Compressional waves are fast-moving, high-frequency waves, audible to dogs and certain other animals but experienced by humans only as a sudden jolt. They are not very harmful, but they are potentially very useful, since they travel fast enough to be detected by sensors thirty to ninety seconds ahead of other seismic waves. That is enough time for earthquake early-warning systems, such as those in use throughout Japan, to automatically perform a variety of lifesaving functions: shutting down railways and power plants, opening elevators and firehouse doors, alerting hospitals to halt surgeries, and triggering alarms so that the general public can take cover. The Pacific Northwest has no early-warning system. When the Cascadia earthquake begins, there will be, instead, a cacophony of barking dogs and a long, suspended, what-was-that moment before the surface waves arrive. Surface waves are slower, lower-frequency waves that move the ground both up and down and side to side: the shaking, starting in earnest.

Soon after that shaking begins, the electrical grid will fail, likely everywhere west of the Cascades and possibly well beyond. If it happens at night, the ensuing catastrophe will unfold in darkness. In theory, those who are at home when it hits should be safest; it is easy and relatively inexpensive to seismically safeguard a private dwelling. But, lulled into nonchalance by their seemingly benign environment, most people in the Pacific Northwest have not done so. That nonchalance will shatter instantly. So will everything made of glass. Anything indoors and unsecured will lurch across the floor or come crashing down: bookshelves, lamps, computers, cannisters of flour in the pantry. Refrigerators will walk out of kitchens, unplugging themselves and toppling over. Water heaters will fall and smash interior gas lines. Houses that are not bolted to their foundations will slide off—or, rather, they will stay put, obeying inertia, while the foundations, together with the rest of the Northwest, jolt westward. Unmoored on the undulating ground, the homes will begin to collapse.

Across the region, other, larger structures will also start to fail. Until 1974, the state of Oregon had no seismic code, and few places in the Pacific Northwest had one appropriate to a magnitude-9.0 earthquake until 1994. The vast majority of buildings in the region were constructed before then. Ian Madin, who directs the Oregon Department of Geology and Mineral Industries (DOGAMI), estimates that seventy-five per cent of all structures in the state are not designed to withstand a major Cascadia quake. FEMA calculates that, across the region, something on the order of a million buildings—more than three thousand of them schools—will collapse or be compromised in the earthquake. So will half of all highway bridges, fifteen of the seventeen bridges spanning Portland’s two rivers, and two-thirds of railways and airports; also, one-third of all fire stations, half of all police stations, and two-thirds of all hospitals.

Certain disasters stem from many small problems conspiring to cause one very large problem. For want of a nail, the war was lost; for fifteen independently insignificant errors, the jetliner was lost. Subduction-zone earthquakes operate on the opposite principle: one enormous problem causes many other enormous problems. The shaking from the Cascadia quake will set off landslides throughout the region—up to thirty thousand of them in Seattle alone, the city’s emergency-management office estimates. It will also induce a process called liquefaction, whereby seemingly solid ground starts behaving like a liquid, to the detriment of anything on top of it. Fifteen per cent of Seattle is built on liquefiable land, including seventeen day-care centers and the homes of some thirty-four thousand five hundred people. So is Oregon’s critical energy-infrastructure hub, a six-mile stretch of Portland through which flows ninety per cent of the state’s liquid fuel and which houses everything from electrical substations to natural-gas terminals. Together, the sloshing, sliding, and shaking will trigger fires, flooding, pipe failures, dam breaches, and hazardous-material spills. Any one of these second-order disasters could swamp the original earthquake in terms of cost, damage, or casualties—and one of them definitely will. Four to six minutes after the dogs start barking, the shaking will subside. For another few minutes, the region, upended, will continue to fall apart on its own. Then the wave will arrive, and the real destruction will begin.

Among natural disasters, tsunamis may be the closest to being completely unsurvivable. The only likely way to outlive one is not to be there when it happens: to steer clear of the vulnerable area in the first place, or get yourself to high ground as fast as possible. For the seventy-one thousand people who live in Cascadia’s inundation zone, that will mean evacuating in the narrow window after one disaster ends and before another begins. They will be notified to do so only by the earthquake itself—“a vibrate-alert system,” Kevin Cupples, the city planner for the town of Seaside, Oregon, jokes—and they are urged to leave on foot, since the earthquake will render roads impassable. Depending on location, they will have between ten and thirty minutes to get out. That time line does not allow for finding a flashlight, tending to an earthquake injury, hesitating amid the ruins of a home, searching for loved ones, or being a Good Samaritan. “When that tsunami is coming, you run,” Jay Wilson, the chair of the Oregon Seismic Safety Policy Advisory Commission (OSSPAC), says. “You protect yourself, you don’t turn around, you don’t go back to save anybody. You run for your life.”


The time to save people from a tsunami is before it happens, but the region has not yet taken serious steps toward doing so. Hotels and businesses are not required to post evacuation routes or to provide employees with evacuation training. In Oregon, it has been illegal since 1995 to build hospitals, schools, firehouses, and police stations in the inundation zone, but those which are already in it can stay, and any other new construction is permissible: energy facilities, hotels, retirement homes. In those cases, builders are required only to consult with DOGAMI about evacuation plans. “So you come in and sit down,” Ian Madin says. “And I say, ‘That’s a stupid idea.’ And you say, ‘Thanks. Now we’ve consulted.’ ”

These lax safety policies guarantee that many people inside the inundation zone will not get out. Twenty-two per cent of Oregon’s coastal population is sixty-five or older. Twenty-nine per cent of the state’s population is disabled, and that figure rises in many coastal counties. “We can’t save them,” Kevin Cupples says. “I’m not going to sugarcoat it and say, ‘Oh, yeah, we’ll go around and check on the elderly.’ No. We won’t.” Nor will anyone save the tourists. Washington State Park properties within the inundation zone see an average of seventeen thousand and twenty-nine guests a day. Madin estimates that up to a hundred and fifty thousand people visit Oregon’s beaches on summer weekends. “Most of them won’t have a clue as to how to evacuate,” he says. “And the beaches are the hardest place to evacuate from.”


Those who cannot get out of the inundation zone under their own power will quickly be overtaken by a greater one. A grown man is knocked over by ankle-deep water moving at 6.7 miles an hour. The tsunami will be moving more than twice that fast when it arrives. Its height will vary with the contours of the coast, from twenty feet to more than a hundred feet. It will not look like a Hokusai-style wave, rising up from the surface of the sea and breaking from above. It will look like the whole ocean, elevated, overtaking land. Nor will it be made only of water—not once it reaches the shore. It will be a five-story deluge of pickup trucks and doorframes and cinder blocks and fishing boats and utility poles and everything else that once constituted the coastal towns of the Pacific Northwest.

To see the full scale of the devastation when that tsunami recedes, you would need to be in the international space station. The inundation zone will be scoured of structures from California to Canada. The earthquake will have wrought its worst havoc west of the Cascades but caused damage as far away as Sacramento, California—as distant from the worst-hit areas as Fort Wayne, Indiana, is from New York. FEMA expects to coördinate search-and-rescue operations across a hundred thousand square miles and in the waters off four hundred and fifty-three miles of coastline. As for casualties: the figures I cited earlier—twenty-seven thousand injured, almost thirteen thousand dead—are based on the agency’s official planning scenario, which has the earthquake striking at 9:41 A.M. on February 6th. If, instead, it strikes in the summer, when the beaches are full, those numbers could be off by a horrifying margin.

Wineglasses, antique vases, Humpty Dumpty, hip bones, hearts: what breaks quickly generally mends slowly, if at all. OSSPAC estimates that in the I-5 corridor it will take between one and three months after the earthquake to restore electricity, a month to a year to restore drinking water and sewer service, six months to a year to restore major highways, and eighteen months to restore health-care facilities. On the coast, those numbers go up. Whoever chooses or has no choice but to stay there will spend three to six months without electricity, one to three years without drinking water and sewage systems, and three or more years without hospitals. Those estimates do not apply to the tsunami-inundation zone, which will remain all but uninhabitable for years.

 

[Laura]

Quote re This Queen Elizabeth serious illness, blood related... - as mentioned in the transcript 21 years ago

I try hard to reconcile that with a woman approaching her 90th birthday and the fact I have never seen her having been declared ill.

It's possible they may have meant her mum?

Also, as the Cs noted, that may have belonged to a different timeline where Diana lived...

 

[Puma]

Quote re This Queen Elizabeth serious illness, blood related... - as mentioned in the transcript 21 years ago

I try hard to reconcile that with a woman approaching her 90th birthday and the fact I have never seen her having been declared ill.

It's possible they may have meant her mum?

Also, as the Cs noted, that may have belonged to a different timeline where Diana lived...

Yeah After the accident in which Diana died, the predicted events changed, some subtly while others still await outcome. For example, the death of Diana maybe changed or delayed the "serious illness of Queen Elizabeth," a banking scandal of regional level to become a global crisis in 2008 the prelude to the coming financial collapse or that the plane crash in Hawaii changed to the disappearance of the Malaysia airlines plane.

Other things may be worse like the flu pandemic of 1918 that relates to a very strong phenomenon of El Niño. Now we have again a very strong El niño and many virus or aliens in our planet.

 

[Ca.]

"We have warned of [Mount] Ra{i}nier." has been on mind. IF that is to be another warning sign before—if it goes active in any way, shape, or form—time to go immediately then?

I would start thinking of making preparations, having an emergency evacuation plan etc or at least thinking about these things. It really worried me that the FIMA representative stated that everything west of highway (101?) was going to be 'toast' if there was a big subduction earthquake and tsunami.

Interesting that you mention Mount Rainier. Actually on January 2nd, a 3.1 quake was recorded in this area.

The excerpt you refer to and that mentions the Rainier warning also mentions the 10.4 quake, and a 150 meter tsunami in Puget Sound:

We estimate 10.4 on the Richter scale. We have warned of Rainier. Imagine a 150 meter high tsunami in Puget Sound...

Actually, a 150 meter tsunami wave is consistent with a quake that is about 10.4 in magnitude according to recent research

As we my all know (too well), certain company's with tie's too the military industrial complex would more than likely have inside information of this coming event.

Well is this not a kinky dink.

Microsoft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft
Microsoft Corporation /ˈmaɪkrəˌsɒft, -roʊ-, -ˌsɔːft/[5][6] (commonly referred to as Microsoft) is an American multinational technology company headquartered in Redmond, Washington, that develops, manufactures, licenses, supports and sells computer software, consumer electronics and personal computers and services. Its best known software products are the Microsoft Windows line of operating systems, Microsoft Office office suite, and Internet Explorer and Edge web browsers. Its flagship hardware products are the Xbox game consoles and the Microsoft Surface tablet lineup. It is the world's largest software maker by revenue,[7] and one of the world's most valuable companies.[8]

headquartered in Redmond, Washington

The Seattle Times reported in early September 2015 that Microsoft had hired architecture firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill to begin a multi-billion dollar redesign of the Redmond campus, using an additional 1.4 million square feet (130,000 m2) allowed by an agreement with the City of Redmond.[1] The city of Redmond had also approved a rezone in February 2015 to raise the height limit for buildings on the campus from 6 stories to 10.[5]

Redmond WA. in Red (Excuse the pun) Elevation-43 ft (13 m)

Boeing Takes Flight From Seattle
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=88453&page=1

Boeing-2000–2009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing#2000.E2.80.932009
Boeing announced on May 13, 2013 it would cut 1,500 IT jobs in Seattle, Washington over the next three years in combination of layoffs, attrition and relocation. .Most of those will be relocated (approximately 600 jobs each) to St. Louis, Missouri, and North Charleston, South Carolina.

In April 2014, Boeing announced their Long Beach construction facility would shut down by the end of the year. The facility was responsible for building the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III military transport aircraft. The last C-17, #276, left final assembly in 2015. The assembly site officially closed in February 2015, and by April, Boeing had been auctioning factory manufacturing parts off. Some 2,200 jobs are affected.[90]

Cascadia Tsunami.mov
Published on Nov 14, 2012
This movie shows a physics-based computer simulation of the tsunami expected from the next Cascadia Earthquake. The last large Cascadia earthquake happened in January, 1700. It is thought that the fault is getting toward the final stages in the earthquake cycle and could break again at any time. The simulation suggests runups of as much as 10 meters could hit most adjacent shores within 30 minutes.

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For more tsunami and natural hazard information visit http://es.ucsc.edu/~ward.


Simulated Cascadia tsunami: U.S. West Coast
Published on Sep 8, 2014

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Hypothetical Cascadia tsunami, assumed to be generated by a Mw 9.0 earthquake off the Pacific Northwest coast of the U.S. From the NOAA Center for Tsunami Research. This is a NOAA Research Product, not an official forecast.

 

[focus.evans]

thanks to all for the updated information regarding the coming quakes.

 

[kalibex]

It's interesting how so many here are describing their reaction to Diana's death and it was the same for me as well. I never paid any attention to her what-so-ever, no interest really in what she was doing although I recognized her good work in various causes. I remember the day she died so clearly, and I was surprised by the sadness I felt and cried. Here was a person I'd never felt a connection to but I was full of remorse for her passing....it was strange. And now others say the same thing here, I think its interesting. What is behind that I wonder... a wave of grief encircled the planet it seemed.

Same here. On some level I assumed at the time that I'd simply gotten caught up in the social aspect of the community mourning... but I still felt it.

 

[Ruth]

"We have warned of [Mount] Ra{i}nier." has been on mind. IF that is to be another warning sign before—if it goes active in any way, shape, or form—time to go immediately then?

I would start thinking of making preparations, having an emergency evacuation plan etc or at least thinking about these things. It really worried me that the FIMA representative stated that everything west of highway (101?) was going to be 'toast' if there was a big subduction earthquake and tsunami.

It was Interstate 5:

Well, holey smoke! That's even worse! Look where it is!
http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Interstate_5

 

[Ruth]

A question - Could magnetic forces - also play a part in the force of the Tsunami waves, reaching the shore line?

From what I understand tsunamis are mostly mechanical phenomena due to movements in the ocean floor (underwater quakes). Those quakes, however, can be caused by electromagnetic factors: slower spinning frequency of the Earth because of reduced solar activity (leading to crustal deformation), reduced electromagnetic field between the Earth's core and its surface (binding force) making crustal material loose (like continental and oceanic plates) and therefore more prone to moving relative to each others, i.e. quakes.

I found these animations really interesting. The sheer power of the energy release caused by subduction earthquakes. It's simply astonishing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-24/boxing-day-tsunami-how-the-disaster-unfolded/5977568

Another tsunami of note (possibly the biggest ever recorded) was the one that occurred in 1883 with the explosion of Krakatoa. Apparently it also 'birthed' the modern study of vulcanology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2IxUvF7ip4

This is an interesting site for people who want more information about tsunamis. I think there's a section on planning and preparedness too.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSUgbSK7FKy5RdTYyEhpLbQ

 

[Siberia]

I've been thinking about this old prediction made by Edgar Cayce:

“As to the changes physical again: The earth will be broken up in the western portion of America. The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. The upper portion of Europe will be changed as in the twinkling of an eye …”

Edgar Cayce reading 3976-15

_http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/news.aspx?id=4412

Notice what he says about Japan: this prophecy may probably be already considered as (at least partly) fulfilled, if we recall the devastating tsunami of 2011.

As for northern Europe, I'm not sure what he meant, but perhaps a sudden glacier rebound?

Anyway, he is pretty clear about western America: "the earth will be broken up".

fwiw

 

[Cleo]

"We have warned of [Mount] Ra{i}nier." has been on mind. IF that is to be another warning sign before—if it goes active in any way, shape, or form—time to go immediately then?

I would start thinking of making preparations, having an emergency evacuation plan etc or at least thinking about these things. It really worried me that the FIMA representative stated that everything west of highway (101?) was going to be 'toast' if there was a big subduction earthquake and tsunami.

It was Interstate 5:

Well, holey smoke! That's even worse! Look where it is!
http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Interstate_5

Currently reading the article linked to above. Of primary concern where I live (family and I live within a 5 mile radius or so of Interstate 5 in Oregon) in the event of a major earthquake are the dams in the area breaking, there are several..

So, where of higher ground to evacuate to is a very good question.