Session 23 November 2024

[Keit]

(Cosmos) Could be one reason why the Russians have developed some of the new hypersonic missiles systems, that, at some level, some powers could be influencing things on earth in order that those new systems could be used as a convenient cover-up story for stronger comet activity on earth in the future?

A: Very possibly!

Interestingly enough, here's Putin's recent comment about Oreshnik. Probably later the full translated transcript will be available. Do you think it's a coincidental comparison?

Putin compared the impact of "Oreshnik" with the fall of the Tunguska meteorite:

"It's like a meteorite falling. We know, in history, how and which meteorites fell where and what the consequences were. This turned out to be enough to form entire lakes. Right? That's what the Tunguska meteorite led to — it's well known."

Added: Here's a longer version:

Putin - on the power of "Oreshnik":

These are quite powerful elements that are heated to a temperature of 4 thousand degrees. I don't know, you can look on the Internet, on the territory of the surface of the Sun, in my opinion, it's 5,6 - 6 thousand degrees. It is comparable to the temperature on the surface of the Sun.

A kinetic impact, a powerful impact, is how a meteorite falls. We know in history how and which meteorites fell and what the consequences were. It turned out to be enough to form whole lakes, right? The Tunguska meteorite led to this, you know.

Also here, the defeat is very serious. Everything in the center turns to ashes, decomposes into its constituent elements. And objects located at a depth of 3-4, or maybe more, floors down are affected. And not just floors, these are fortified structures. The impact force is enormous. Of course, you can add more, and it will be even more powerful. But the main thing is that the basic sample has been created, it works and works as planned by its creators.

And thank you very much for the session!

 

[Mark7]

Thanks for the new session. There is much to ponder as usual.

This is good to know:

Q: (Joe) Is there a group that oversees the quorum in a sense that controls them or advises them?

A: 6th density.

Q: (L) And are sixth density, like what you said at one time or hinted or suggested, like angels or archangels in old parlance?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) It's them, right?

A realm where STS and STO are evenly balanced and where each performs a function would probably seem like a really great place compared to our realm, which is currently severely lopsided in favor of STS.

 

[Laurentien2]

Here we go, Club was so rigth as the C's confirmed.

Putin compares Russia’s new missile to meteorite​

Putin compares Russia’s new missile to meteorite

The president has likened the strike power of the Oreshnik ballistic missile to that of a sizeable meteorite impact

www.rt.com

The strike power of Russia’s new state-of-the-art Oreshnik ballistic missile is similar to a meteorite impact, President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday. The hypersonic weapon is capable of successfully hitting heavily fortified targets, he added.

Moscow already has several such missiles at its disposal and has begun mass production of the advanced weapon system, Putin told a summit of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) in Kazakhstan’s capital, Astana.

“This is like a falling meteorite. We know from history where meteorites had fallen and what the consequences were. What lakes were formed,” the Russian leader said.

Putin did not elaborate, although one of the world’s largest impact crater lakes – Lake Manicouagan in Canada – has a multiple-ring structure with a diameter amounting to some 100km. Its inner ring diameter is around 70km.

The Oreshnik system also has dozens of homing warheads capable of hitting targets while traveling ten times faster than the speed of sound, Putin stated.

A massive strike with such missiles would be comparable to a nuclear one, he added. “Anything located in the strike center is obliterated into elemental particles, reduced to dust,” the president said.

The Russian military is selecting targets for potential Oreshnik strikes, Putin warned. The system could be used in retaliation against the “Kiev regime” if Ukrainian attacks against Russia involving Western-made long-range missiles continue, he added.

READ MORE: Oreshnik missiles could be used to strike Kiev – Putin
These targets could include Ukrainian “decision-making centers” as well as military and industrial facilities, Putin stated. Last week, Russia deployed the Oreshnik missile system to strike a large weapons factory in the Ukrainian city of Dneproterovsk (also known as Dnepr in Ukraine), as part of what was called a combat test. According to Putin, the strike was a response to “aggressive actions of NATO members” who back Kiev.

The Ukrainian military has recently launched several strikes against targets in Russia’s Bryansk and Kursk regions, using US-made ATACMS as well as British-French Storm Shadow/SCALP missiles. On Monday, Washington confirmed that it had lifted range restrictions on the use of ATACMS by Kiev’s troops. Paris had earlier confirmed that it would allow Ukraine to use SCALP missiles at their maximum range.

Speaking at the CSTO summit on Thursday, Putin said Moscow’s weapons are superior in several aspects to Western-made missiles. Russia is also producing much more of them than the entire NATO bloc, he stated. The Oreshnik in particular “has no counterparts in the world, of course, and I believe none will appear anytime soon,” the president added.

 

[Harmony99]

Carl) How many real living US citizens cast a legitimate vote for Donald Trump in the recent election, to the nearest million?

(Joe) Real citizens?

(L) Real citizens that are registered to vote.

A: Close to 100.

Q: (L) Close to 100 million?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And for Kamala?

A: Less than 23

This is a huge majority, no wonder why the Oligarch could not execute their wishful thinking. It is clear why Legacy Media is
in Panic mode. Imagine if 50% of Trump supporters are awaken to the MSM Control and manipulations of Public Opinions. What a wonderful world this would be.

 

[SMM]

My prayers and thoughts are with istina, and her loved ones.

 

[Miracle]

Here is some rough math to determine how many illegal aliens might be living in the US.

Per AP, 151 million people voted

Per the C's, 123 million people voted

Difference: 28 million votes!

Obviously, that does not mean all 28 million were votes from illegal aliens. There was probably a lot of dead people, votes from made up identities, simple code additions towards Kamala ect. I'm not really sure how to objectively ballpark what percentage of added votes came from illegal aliens but let's just say it was 50%, which seems conservative. I would think that TPTB would rely more heavily on illegal alien votes than other methods as illegal alien votes would be much harder to trace, and in the case of states with no voter ID laws, maybe impossible. If TPTB felt confident they could rig elections without illegal aliens, they wouldn't have made such a massive effort to get them here. So assuming I'm on the right track, that would mean at least 14 million illegal aliens voted.

But, if only 50% of illegal aliens voted, that would bring us back to 28 million illegal aliens plus children as a conservative guess.

If 75% of the extra votes came from illegal aliens, and only 50% actually voted, that would bring the number up to 42 million illegal aliens in the US plus children.

So, if the total US Population is somewhere around 350-450 million people (including illegals) and there are around 35-45 million illegals, that means 1 in 10 people in the US is a non-citizen. Absolutely insane.

 

[Cosmos]

Interestingly enough, here's Putin's recent comment about Oreshnik. Probably later the full translated transcript will be available. Do you think it's a coincidental comparison?



Added: Here's a longer version:



And thank you very much for the session!

Could be a coincidence or not. I think it is a coincidence and Putin is simply stating the obvious fact that that and other hypersonic missiles they have result in similar types of destruction as meteorites. I think all they way back when they first announced those missiles (2018 or something) that was a pretty logical conclusion to draw including that some of those missiles might be similarly destructive as nukes:

I think it's quite natural to compare something moving from the sky at 3 km/s with a meteorite because it's simply the closest (and probably the only one) analogy known to modern humans.

 

[aragorn]

Laura said:
(Cosmos) Could be one reason why the Russians have developed some of the new hypersonic missiles systems, that, at some level, some powers could be influencing things on earth in order that those new systems could be used as a convenient cover-up story for stronger comet activity on earth in the future?

A: Very possibly!

I'm having a bit trouble understanding the above. Is it implied in the question that e.g. 4D STS or 'The Secret Government' (3D), or both, have transmitted/planted the idea of Oreshnik and other similar systems into the Russian scientists' heads? I get the propaganda value, just wondering about why e.g. 4D STS would bother with such a scheme – to them it probably doesn't matter whether we die by a comet or an Oreshnik.

 

[Cosmos]

Could be a coincidence or not. I think it is a coincidence and Putin is simply stating the obvious fact that that and other hypersonic missiles they have result in similar types of destruction as meteorites. I think all they way back when they first announced those missiles (2018 or something) that was a pretty logical conclusion to draw including that some of those missiles might be similarly destructive as nukes:

And all the way back they announced a missile system that can travel about 3 TIMES as fast as Oreshnik! And as far as I know they haven’t used that missile on the battlefield yet. They probably are also aware that if you approach comet/meteor characteristics that you run the serious risk of creating secondary and probably unwanted consequences: like triggering big earthquakes.

 

[Cosmos]

(Cosmos) Could be one reason why the Russians have developed some of the new hypersonic missiles systems, that, at some level, some powers could be influencing things on earth in order that those new systems could be used as a convenient cover-up story for stronger comet activity on earth in the future?

A: Very possibly!

I'm having a bit trouble understanding the above. Is it implied in the question that e.g. 4D STS or 'The Secret Government' (3D), or both, have transmitted/planted the idea of Oreshnik and other similar systems into the Russian scientists' heads? I get the propaganda value, just wondering about why e.g. 4D STS would bother with such a scheme – to them it probably doesn't matter whether we die by a comet or an Oreshnik.

First, you can find some of the background behind the question starting with this post in the "Putin Recognizes Donbass..." thread and the discussions over several pages afterward, including this and that post. And in this older post in the same thread.

Secondly, what follows below is hopefully a clearer explanation of the question itself and the context:

Am I saying the Russians developed these weapons as a cover for comet activity? No, not really. But that it might be a possibility at some level. Which level that might be was purposely not specified in the question because there are many possibilities, including Putin himself on a conscious level (which I tend to doubt, but might be possible). For example, some forces might be influencing things on earth in a general sense (both sides, even) for quite a while now in order to force actors on earth to invent weapons that could be used as a convenient cover-up story in case comet type impacts in the future need to be disguised as “human caused“. If you zoom out wide enough, you could even argue that the development of atomic bombs might have been part of such a “plan“. Especially if you combine it with hypersonic capabilities. From such a perspective, you could even argue that the development of things like drones and Starlink satellites might be infused at some level in order to disguise real UFO activity more effectively in the future. And not only disguising it, but making it less likely that people in general think about real UFOs being an explanation for some of the things they see in the sky, because it is, well, “probably just a drone“ and look away and don’t think much about it.

Am I saying that some other powers influenced the Russians to develop those weapons? No, not really. What I tried to get at with the question was not necessarily specifically that the Russians were influenced but more like the grand scheme of developments on earth in general, of which one more or less natural and logical result, could be, that the Russians are forced to develop weapons that behave at least partly pretty comet like (especially in the eyes of the uniformed). What forces that might be was left pretty open on purpose because there might be many possibilities. If I could bet, then I would bet on some pretty high 3D level, possibly even partly 4D in nature.

Also, the answer “Very possibly!“ doesn’t necessarily mean “yes“, just that it might “very possibly!“ be the case. It could also not be the case.

Victor Clube's comment that Laura and others brought up quite a number of times a while ago, and I always found pretty interesting and curious, was basically the initial idea that informed this question from my side:

it has taken the Space Age to revive the Platonist voice of reason but it emerges this time within a modern anti-fundamentalist, anti-apocalyptic tradition over which governments may, as before, be unable to exercise control...

Cynics (or modern sophists), in other words, would say that we do not need the celestial threat to disguise Cold War intentions: rather we need the Cold War to disguise celestial intentions...!

And if what we are seeing now doesn’t look like a Cold War 2.0 on steroids, I don’t know what is!
So, from that standpoint we really wouldn’t have needed that question or the answer from the C‘s because we would pretty much have come to the same conclusion: that it is “very possibly!“ the case. It is kind of a no-brainer that this would likely be the case given what we know: For example, apparently the fact, that conventional rocket launches (well before the official unveiling of Russian hypersonic missiles) have already been used in occasions in the past to cover comet type happenings in earths atmosphere and/or impacts (according to the C‘s). If anything, those new missiles could make such cover-up attempts even easier.

 

[T.C.]

Well, the quorum came up with the idea that they could just screw them over in an even bigger and more egregious way (like assassinating Trump) and thereby make people aware of what is being done and create the resistance and more balance. But then 6D ran that scenario and concluded that the people will ultimately just suck that one up too, and just make the imbalance worse! So it was nixed pending a more suitable violation of free will that will, hopefully, wake people up a bit.

I think the first part’s right: that the plan was to assassinate Trump and violate everyone’s free will, because the baddies would get what they want and progress their plans, but I think that at the same time it would also create more resistance and at another level/at the same time, was meant to.

So they didn’t change the plan because they saw that it wouldn’t have worked and people would have just sucked it up. It would have worked, but it would have brought on such negative consequences for STS that they would have degaussed themselves.

What if the quorum decided that by having the assassination attempt fail instead, they could on the one hand wake people up a bit in a way that preserved what the majority actually wanted (therefore honouring free will and not degaussing themselves), and on the other hand still proceed with nefarious plans because Trump would interpret what happened as divine intervention (changing Trump’s inner programming too) and however he has acted since then, and now and in the future, will itself fulfil the STS agenda?

This last part is me trying to factor in his cabinet picks. Why did we have a session and not ask something about those?

 

[Joe]

I think the first part’s right: that the plan was to assassinate Trump and violate everyone’s free will, because the baddies would get what they want and progress their plans, but I think that at the same time it would also create more resistance and at another level/at the same time, was meant to.

So they didn’t change the plan because they saw that it wouldn’t have worked and people would have just sucked it up. It would have worked, but it would have brought on such negative consequences for STS that they would have degaussed themselves.

Maybe, although keep in mind that the point of the assassination attempt was to create resistance for balance. The Cs said in the last session that it was cancelled because it would have been a violation too far. That would have only been the case if it did NOT result in a rebalancing via awakening and resistance.

A: The imbalance was so severe that the STS side risked a severe violation of free will at a level that would have resulted in necessary degaussing from natural factors of balance.

Q: (L) So they were too dirty and devious.

A: Yes

Q: (L) They did too much for too long and they really violated the free will of the people on this planet.

A: Yes

What if the quorum decided that by having the assassination attempt fail instead, they could on the one hand wake people up a bit in a way that preserved what the majority actually wanted (therefore honouring free will and not degaussing themselves), and on the other hand still proceed with nefarious plans

Yeah, that could be the case. They also said this:

A: We cannot reveal the decisions of the council in any detail other than to say that the suffering that leads to knowledge might be ameliorated somewhat.

Q: (L) Hmm... Well, I can't think of a follow up for that. Can anybody else?

(Joe) Why would it be ameliorated?

A: More are awakening.

Which might refer to people awakening because of the assassination attempt.

This last part is me trying to factor in his cabinet picks. Why did we have a session and not ask something about those?

What would you ask? For me they're all basically "America first" but also all fully supportive of Israel. I do wonder if any are fifth columnists though.

 

[Jo Bugman]

A few books popped into my head when Laura asked this question:



The first book is Pete Walker's CPTSD: From Surviving to Thriving: A guide and map for recovering from childhood trauma.

He writes that the human brain evolved during the Hunter-Gatherer era, and we still have this basic formatting. In earlier times, even a few seconds without contact with the parents set off the infant's alarm bells, as a predator could easily attack and carry off the child as prey. Children today feel parental abandonment or neglect as a looming threat of death. And in cases where the parent is actually the predator, the situation is even more tragic. He calls this process 'soul murder'.



We're too young to realize our parents are at fault, and we are adaptive, so we assume it's OUR fault. But no matter what we do, it doesn't seem to work. The result is developmental trauma, which actually changes in the physiology of the infant brain. I see it as sort of like the carving of a massive self-hatred superhighway through the ecosystem of our grey matter. This becomes the default route for our sense of self and relation to the world. Other routes leading to self-compassion, self-observation, and self-expression, as well as confidence, curiosity, and joy, are not travelled as often. When we're older and start to develop a degree of consciousness, we can start to notice this aggression against the self as the vicious inner critic, or the negative introject, whose sort of like the the CEO of the hatred superhighway.

Session 12 June 2008​

He goes into a lot of detail about it all, including the realization that when we have panic attacks, they are often flashbacks to this terrorized infant state, a feeling of dying or being killed or imminent death that can come out of nowhere.

But the most important part of the book to me is focused on treatment. The first is psychoeducation - reading about CPTSD, childhood trauma, etc., as well as exploring one's childhood through journaling, etc., and doing some personal archaeology to see just how bad it was. This achievement of insight is painful, but important.

The second part is shrinking the inner critic through a series of internal battles. This is done mainly via conscious use of anger as a form of mental blocking. It's basically redeveloping a healthy 'fight' response, learning to assert ourselves and take control over the forces of destruction within our own Being. It is a great challenge, but we can make use of the strength mentioned by the C's, and in my own experience it is doable with persistence and effort.

Session 3 January 2009​

So we can use the energy of the self-hatred superhighway against itself. Luckily the brain is plastic - nothing in us is set in stone so long as we strive to heal. And, so very crucial in all of this, is to be willing to feel all the catastrophic hatred one has of one's parents, without any excuses and no holding back. The anger is first directed at the inner critic, and then also towards the ones who tortured you, and in so doing it becomes this sort of protective righteous anger. Or at least that's how it was for me.

Another book that helped with reaching those levels of the subconscious mind was Making Peace with Your Parents. It details active exercises in getting all the resentment out of the body. It also works with parents who have gone to 5D. Although the title includes the word peace, it's more like 'Making War On Your Parents'. Or that's how it was for me. Anyways, very good stuff.

Third, we can also flood the superhighway, by making use of conscious grieving.



This corresponds with mythology - tears are curative, transformative, and full of life-giving properties, similar to how rainfall brings life to the barren landscape. I feel that grieving brings the Water of Life to those places in our grey matter we weren't allowed to travel to - the hidden valleys of self-compassion, self-confidence, and self-expression. It's in these places of abundance where our 'souls can fully manifest', or so I think.

There's a caveat, though:



He mentions that the inner critic is sometimes so hostile to grieving that it may just end up beating the crap out of you for crying, for being weak, for feeling anything at all. So shrinking the critic may need to be your first recovery priority. He worked with many clients who were way too traumatized to grieve, and so they spent months working on shrinking the inner critic so that grieving could happen without setting off a toxic cycle of internal judgment.

Session 4 July 2009​

I've found that only after angering at the inner critic, shrinking it, then angering at my parents, then drawing sharp boundaries with them, as well as grieving, was I able to fully express myself and communicate with less fear. I still practice external considering with them, but I don't put up with their BS anymore.



I can't say that I've totally deprogrammed, but these two books helped a ton to reach those subconscious levels sometimes. I was often surprised to hear the primal screams and sobs coming from myself when doing this work. But it always felt better afterwards. Taking time in meditation to seek out the all the dark, hellish material helped to get to there, too, to bring whatever light and love I could to that place - as well as other modalities like somatic experiencing and/or body sensing, as well as regular journalling.



You'll know if you've resolved it, believe me. Everything changes.

Thank you for this timely information, right around Thanksgiving here in the US. Interacting with my parents isn't something that concerns me lately, but coming back home yesterday I immediately felt those buried feelings rising again. I will look to order these books.

 

[tschai]

A carpenter's level.

I don't think it's anything more than that.

A clear possibility, to be sure. We sometimes assign to the everyday and mundane attributes which may not be present in order to make sense of them when they occur under circumstances which may not necessarily be exactly normal.

 

[ApotheosisMMC.]

I think the first part’s right: that the plan was to assassinate Trump and violate everyone’s free will, because the baddies would get what they want and progress their plans, but I think that at the same time it would also create more resistance and at another level/at the same time, was meant to.

So they didn’t change the plan because they saw that it wouldn’t have worked and people would have just sucked it up. It would have worked, but it would have brought on such negative consequences for STS that they would have degaussed themselves.

What if the quorum decided that by having the assassination attempt fail instead, they could on the one hand wake people up a bit in a way that preserved what the majority actually wanted (therefore honouring free will and not degaussing themselves), and on the other hand still proceed with nefarious plans because Trump would interpret what happened as divine intervention (changing Trump’s inner programming too) and however he has acted since then, and now and in the future, will itself fulfil the STS agenda?

This last part is me trying to factor in his cabinet picks. Why did we have a session and not ask something about those?

I think that part of Trump's survival and the greater balance that this brings could happen more or less like this; there is the possibility that now information about reality and dark plans will circulate more easily and freely, surely the dark forces will not stop so that will lead to even more information circulating without them looking for it.

We have the notion that as suffering increases, people should be inclined to seek deeper truths and although it is true to a certain extent, this was not enough... maybe now even the suffering and anomalous events will continue, but with a more substantial flow of information that would not have been so available if Trump had been killed.