Session 24 October 2009

[Kessy]

Oh my, wow! Thank you for sharing this session and info. I feel like my whole being is buzzing with this.

I so want to help in any way that my skills and learning level permit. I want to help get this out there... the EE, the principles of the Fellowship. I want to help people to start thinking and start living. In that piece Laura shared about “the millionaire” saying “Forget about everyone else - they are fertilizer”. That just made me cringe inside. To me, I see a lot of people who are semi-awake wandering around from this to that looking for the truth, but not quite sure how to recognize it. I believe we should be yelling “Hey, over here!” and waving them over to come have a look-see. I want to help get this out there so those who need to find it, can.

 

[forge]

Whoa! My jaw dropped reading the last quoted paragraphs from Kevin MacDonald! I really spend too little time studying these extremely interesting topics!

Thank you from my heart Laura for taking time and energy to do the session, transcribe it and making it available to us.

 

[Beorn]

Like a few others I was also a bit shocked by the latest transcript. I like the name and I'm starting to warm to the idea.

My question would be 'How do you have a formal structure while preserving free will?'
Let's say you have a group of 100 people. How are decisions made? Do you vote or appoint?
Hmm, well I have lots of questions but I'll just wait and see.

I've been involved with trying to come up with the best church structure before but I must say I'm still at a loss as to how it works in STO. I guess I have no example to look at. I can see how a small group could work. Say 5 or 6 people, who remain independent but come together for a common purpose. Each decision can be made easily or changed. It seems things become exponentially more difficult the greater the differences in people's perceptions of the goal of the group. OSIT

[quote author="Principles"]
Recognizing objective Truth searched via the method described above, a group of people attuned to an objective degree of consciousness approach a consensus view of reality. This does not imply a loss of individuality or autonomy. Rather, discord and contradiction are eliminated as interpretations come closer to Truth, and individuals approach a common and identical understanding based on Objectivity. Objectivity my here be defined as how the Cosmic Mind perceives itself.[/quote]

OK so the more people see objectively the greater unity within the group. A group truly unified could do... well, just about anything!

 

[Nem]

Do you go to mass regularly? Do you have to go? Could you just stop going and stop being a practicing catholic? You don't have to officially leave or declare to anyone that you are leaving. But I would say that if you adopt another "religion" then in the eyes of the catholic church you are no longer a member

I'd like to clarify because when saying "follower" I didn't mean a practicing catholic but "signed" aka registered. Sorry for the word misuse. I avoid Catholicism for a long time and I don't miss it. The obstacle are the family issues which I superficially noted previously.

 

[anart]

Do you go to mass regularly? Do you have to go? Could you just stop going and stop being a practicing catholic? You don't have to officially leave or declare to anyone that you are leaving. But I would say that if you adopt another "religion" then in the eyes of the catholic church you are no longer a member

Exactly. There is nothing "illegal" about joining a new church or even being a member of more than one. Though if you are Catholic, for instance, the church might have its own rule about you being a member of another church. Given that they want money from you and their membership is probably not what it used to be these days, I really kind of doubt they are going to be throwing people out. From their point of view, that would be like refusing to serve someone at your restaurant because they eat at other restaurants, too.

Yep, and actually the Catholic Church is still quite strict about that. You can be a non-practicing Catholic and still be a member of the Catholic Church, but once you've officially joined another church, you are no longer a member of the Catholic Church and cannot receive communion, etc. (not that this is a bad thing, imo!). I recently found out all those details at my father's Catholic funeral.

I really don't see any need for anyone to have to notify their original church of baptism or anything - it is usually just a default process when one joins another church, one is then a member of that church. It's not like a baptism as an infant is 'mystically binding' or anything. It seems to me that the point is the decision and current observation. fwiw.

 

[Cyre2067]

Wow, had an intense weekend and this is what I find when I get back!

It does make sense, and if you think about it, nothing's really changing. It's an adaptation to the exterior environment. What's also great about it is that we are giving structure to people who may require it in order to understand the concepts. It really hits the core of the Moral Exo/Endo Skeletons issue.

Beyond that, it's a form of Christianity which will definitely make us much more palpable to people who were raised in that milieu.

I tend to have a little gut-wretching over the concept of a church, however its important to remember that the concept itself is still a good one, and that the pathological content is why we have negative association with the concept. Our content will be fundamentally different, and we can use the concept in order to further establish, practice and share that world-changing life-altering content. The protections afforded by utilizing a religion as a vehicle cannot be over-emphasized, just the ability to turn down a vaccine because it's a principle of your spiritual beliefs is a HUGE shield, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Thanks so much for all your work guys, I wish I had previously had the level of BEing in order to help more . I'm glad we're establishing a religion, I think it will give many of us the ability to directly commit and contribute in new ways.

 

[Joe]

I’m not sure what to say. I was surprised when I first read the C’s session. After all the information against religion this seems a complete turnaround. I mean this is really big and I’m a little worried that there maybe some repercussions from the PTB.
On reflection though, it may be the best way for the protection of everyone involved in this work.

As you can see I’m in great confusion.

The negative association with the words "religion" and "church" are really strong, but everyone needs to remember that we are using these words because they are already established and make sense to and are recognizable by everyone. Even more importantly, they are required if we want to avail ourselves of the protection that registration as an official "church" carries. So please try and remember this.

Little if anything will change in practice, except that our progress will continue and accelerate. This forum, Sott, QFG, QFS etc will all continue on as they are, and expand. What we are doing is throwing a mantle of legal protection over the whole lot of it, and to do that we must, to some extent, play by "their" rules.

Consider the world "freedom". This word has been used by the US government to describe its foreign policies that, far from brining freedom, kill millions of innocent people. The Cs, or anyone could warn against this definition of "freedom" and they would be correct to do so, because it is a lie. Yes, there has been a lot of information warning against "religion", but those warnings were not about the word, but rather the practices of organised monotheistic religions.

So let's not focus on the words but rather what those words are being used to describe. Do they describe what they actually mean, or the opposite?

The root meaning of the word religion is "re-unification" or to "reunite" - but monotheistic religions have divided the people of the world and set them against each other. They have done precisely the opposite of what the word "religion" ACTUALLY means and is MEANT to mean. What we here have aways tried to do is to reunite the members of a soul group. So we're taking back the word religion and implementing the correct meaning of the word and what any truly religious group SHOULD be doing - uniting humanity against its intra-species predator and as a result setting humanity FREE!

 

[Username]

Wow!! I have to confess that I didn't see it coming! It's so exciting! At first I was a little reluctant. I thought: "But now it will be so easy to dismiss all that is being defended as truth here. They will say: "it's just your faith, not a matter of reason". Well, maybe this will make some people to reject everything that has to do with the C's and Laura's work, but it is likely that these people would never been interested anyway. And it is so a wise step to protect those who will need protection! And it's so a great source of joy to feel this sense of community growing inside and outside. Thanks Laura and Team!!

 

[R4D4]

OMG, no bananas! I love bananas and not giving it up and i'm not giving up my coffe yet! If it continues with the restrictions, soon there will be nothing else but prana to feed ourselves.

As for the term "church" i don't have problem with that. I've been going to the invisible cosmic church twice a week on mondays and thursdays reciting the beautiful prayer every day. As for the religion that was imposed without my consent, i say i'm not worried also. If the mormons or jehova witnesses have been recruiting people of other religions all this time, my guess is one can choose freely where to go, otherwise, that would have been a great waste of time on their part to recruit and a big deception to the followers.

Let's not be scared of how the people will label us. They always have and always will. Let's be proud to do something for once, different.

What a great session. Thanks to all involved.

 

[sleepermustawaken]

Thank YOU Laura and Team.

fwiw: This past year has been a very emotional tiring year. I had no work, and that really kept me from doing the WORK -all the worries about supporting my family, also including my Commitment (monetary donations as well) that I wanted to materialize in support for the forum -but I had a feeling that all will be alright -patience is one of my Work. I hope that I will not sound discombobulated on the following feeling that I want to express here in the forum -I have luckily gained employment, but I work the midnight shift, and that has kept me from the wonderful Breathing Program. I expect a month or two to get my timing sequenced to a point where I can do the very much missed Meditation and Breathing again.


After reading this session's transcripts, I just wanted to share my thought with the forum.

Since coming across the Cassiopaean transcripts and website, it has been very rewarding spiritually. I have somehow come across "like minded" individuals, so many of the feelings and thoughts I have were also felt in so many different ways by others.

Now with this new session my thought/feeling is that of CATHERS. Since reading about them in the C's transcripts, I did see (visualize) how they were brought down by the church -Elitism does not want truth to come forward if it does not benefit them.

And now in the present time how Laura and Team are setting the "protection" for the members, well, it has my heart pounding with Great anticipation. I have never felt so honored to be looking at a possible CATHER's like rebirth....TRUTH has a way of coming forth and being shared with ALL.

Again a tremendous Thank YOU, and I am patiently waiting to see the fruits of Laura and Team's work on this endeavor.

With Great JOY,

SMA

 

[shijing]

Anart --

I recently found out all those details at my father's Catholic funeral.

Going off-topic briefly, if you recently found these things out at your father's funeral, then I presume your father must have also recently passed away. Not knowing anything about your relationship with him, I just wanted to offer my condolences for your loss -- you seem fine, but that that is still potentially a pretty big thing.

 

[anart]

Going off-topic briefly, if you recently found these things out at your father's funeral, then I presume your father must have also recently passed away. Not knowing anything about your relationship with him, I just wanted to offer my condolences for your loss -- you seem fine, but that that is still potentially a pretty big thing.

Well, by recently, I meant earlier this year, so I'm fine, but thank you.

 

[Erna]

Stop for just a moment and consider that we are defining ALL of those words objectively and from the standpoint of our understanding, which - in most cases - is diametrically opposed to the general understanding and definitions.

Yes, I’ve read it, and I can see that a lot of knowledge, wisdom and…sweat..went into it. I have to applaud it, it’s a phenomenal piece of work!

Also consider that, if we are to have a positive effect, the kind of positive effect that will make all this struggle and suffering worthwhile, we must work within the system of this world.

Yes of course. It’s truly being “wise as serpents, gentle as doves”. I also like the word fellowship and the association to Lord of the Rings. For myself personally, at least initially, I need to side-step the word religion and any words associated with it. Maybe this condition is curable in the long run.

What helped me overcome this shock (probably the same one as Erna's ) was reading carefully The Fellowship Declaration and also knowing how this idea came to materialization.

Yeah, this is an important point. If I didn’t *know* and trust you the way I do, it might have turned into a ‘catch me if you can’ scenario.

What is interesting to me is how totally and completely our minds have been taken over by pathology. At the same time, something inside us rebels against that pathology, and we become mavericks with no "home", no community, no network, all outsiders wandering around like pinballs, bouncing off the pathology in our environment; no structure, no foundation, because, of course, the ONLY structures and foundations and homes and communities we know are pathological and we reject them instinctively.

Yup, this is pretty much the case. Sad isn’t it?

Little if anything will change in practice, except that our progress will continue and accelerate. This forum, Sott, QFG, QFS etc will all continue on as they are, and expand. What we are doing is throwing a mantle of legal protection over the whole lot of it, and to do that we must, to some extent, play by "their" rules.

I understand. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Marcus-Aurelius]

Wow! A really interesting session, and discussion by the way! I really like this idea of "church", first because in my country one of the first question you are asked is "What religion are you part of?" and replying "Am a liberal in religion" instantly gets me labeled as occultist, franc-mason, atheist, etc. , and hopefully I know they even don't understand what they want to say by these words; second as it can help protect other forum member, not to mention the potential to have more people joining. Going through the statement of principles now! And I should apply for membership as soon as I can.
Thanks team for the big work.

 

[Erna]

[quote author=Marcus-Aurelius]
in my country one of the first question you are asked is "What religion are you part of?"
[/quote]

If someone asks me that, I say "I'm in Search of the Miraculous". Great conversation changer! I have to say I have been wearing my 'secular badge' with pride!