Session 27 April 2024

[MJF]

Were they talking about Yggdrasil?

I finished Gods of the North by Brian Branston and there might be some clues:

The War In Heaven

Kidnapping of Freya in this legend somewhat resembles the kidnapping of Helen of Troy by Paris which triggered the Troyan war:

More from Branston:

The Don river is located in Russia:

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I find the roots of Nordic mythology fascinating. There would seem to be a connection between Norse mythology and Celtic mythology, the Celts being Indo-Europeans (Scythians) who migrated westwards via Asia Minor and Persia into northern Europe. Hence, I was struck by the statement you quoted, which said:​

Snorri's derivation may have been founded on a tradition according to which the cult of certain gods migrated to Scandinavia
from the south and ultimately from Asia Minor.

The C's have made it clear that the Hellenic Greek civilisation was infused with learning that came from the northern peoples of Europe, including the Hyperboreans, with civilisation flowing from the north to the Eastern Mediterranean and not the other way around as historians maintain:​

Q: I didn't think so. Okay, in this book it says: Diodorus Siculus, writing in the 1st century B.C., said that "certain sacred offerings wrapped in wheat straw come from the Hyperboreans into Scythia, whence they are taken over by the neighbouring peoples in succession until they get as far west as the Adriatic. From there they are sent south, and the first Greeks to receive them are the Dodonaeans. Then, continuing southward, they reach the Malian gulf, cross to Euboea, and are passed on from town to town as far as Carystus. Then they skip Andros, the Carystians take them to Tenos, and the Tenians to Delos. That is how these things are said to reach Delos at the present time." So, from very ancient times, there was this practice of the Hyperboreans sending sacred offerings to the Island of Delos. Now, the Island of Delos is supposedly the birthplace of Phoebus Apollo, whose mother was Leto. Supposedly he was born on Mt. Cynthus. This is a very curious thing. This is contrary to the old view that the cultural flow was from the Mediterranean to the North, that civilization began in the Near East. It implies a cultural flow from the North to the South. What were these ancient Hyperboreans sending to the Island of Delos?

A: Leaves bearing cryptic codes.

Q: What was the connection between the Hyperboreans, including the Celts of Britain, I believe, and the people of Delos?

A: Northern peoples were responsible for civilising the Mediterranean/Adriatic peoples with the encoded secrets contained within their superior extra-terrestrially based genetic arrangement. Practice of which you speak was multi-trans-generational habit.

However, Homer’s tales of the Iliad and the Odyssey, which include the stories of the kidnapping of Helen of Troy by the Trojan Prince Paris and the 'Apple of Discord' myth, which acted as a prelude to the Trojan War, were Hellenic Greek tales that would seem to have originated with the Celts of Northern Europe according to Iman Wilkens who wrote the book Where Troy Once Stood. Wilkens proposed that the city of Troy was in fact located in Cambridge England and that the Trojan War was fought between groups of Celts based in Northern Europe, including Scandinavia.

Given that Laura made a connection between Prince Paris and Abraham/Moses who the C' have said was a Hittite from Asia Minor (Anatolia), which today is Turkey:
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Q: (L) That would mean that, according to the story, that Paris/Alexander would be the same individual as Abraham and that Herodotus' story of Paris and Helen sojourning in Egypt was true?

A: Yes.

there would therefore seem to be a connection between the Trojans of Britain and the Hittites of Asia Minor. The Hittites were renowned as Iron workers and had horse-drawn iron chariots superior to anything else seen in the Middle and Near East at that time. Indeed, Hittites, although at times the enemies of the Egyptians, would seem to have trained and equipped the chariot corp. of the Egyptian pharaohs, which could explain how the Hittite Abraham ended up in the Egypt of Akhenaten. The Celts of Europe are also renowned as having been great horsemen who used iron chariots and they were notable for being iron workers too.

We first need to note that the inhabitants of Greece and the Greek islands of the Aegean in Abraham/Akhenaten's time (the mid-14th Century BC by current historical timing) were not the Hellenic Greeks of Homer's age. The former (such as the Mycenaeans) had a different pantheon of gods, a different language and a different culture, which had all but disappeared by the time the Hellenic nomadic pastoralists arrived on the scene. So where did the Hellenic Greeks of the Classical Age obtain their famous pantheon of Gods?

I recently watched a documentary presented by an English Professor of Archaeology which delivered the answer. It transpires that the Hellenic Greeks obtained their gods such as Zeus and Hera from the Hittites, who they came into direct contact with when they started to trade with them on the north-west coast of Anatolia around 900 BC. The Hellenic Greeks, who at that time had no alphabet of their own (they would subsequently adopt and adapt the Phoenician alphabet), would establish colonies on this coastal strip that became in time Greek settlements such as Ephesus. However, as a rather backward people at that time, they absorbed much of the superior Hittite culture including the Hittite gods who they would rebrand as the Gods of Olympus. Is there any evidence for this? Yes, there is. Rather than set it all out here though, I am attaching an article that I was about to post on the Alton Towers thread, which explains it all in detail for those who want to explore the matter

By a happy coincidence, my article also deals with the sorcerer's coven that the C's said was an offshoot of the Nordic Covenant in the excerpt from the transcripts that you quoted in your post:

Session 15 August 1998:
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Q: (L) Okay, now: I would like to know if there was a real historic person behind the legend of King Arthur?

A: Close. Sorcerer's Coven. Secret pact of coven is covenant.

Q: (L) Was this the Nordic Covenant behind the legend of King Arthur?

A: Not really.

Q: (L) I think that implies that there might be a connection?

A: Maybe there is something more like an offshoot.

Q: (L) The Nordic Covenant is an offshoot of the Arthurian Covenant or vice versa?

A: King Arthur story based on an offshoot of Nordic Covenant Root.

Q: (L) Okay, now you say that the Nordic Covenant can be positive or negative. Would the Arthurian Cycle be of the Positive Offshoot?

A: Both.

Q: (L) What period of time did this Sorcerer’s Coven …

A: During the ‘Dark Ages’.

Q: (L) Can you get me closer to a year or period of years?

A: We will let you do that.

[…]

Q: (L) […] How many people were in this covenant?

A: Look for answers, trees will lead you to it?

Q: (L) What literary source can I go to find the least distorted or corrupted information?

A: Trees.

The theory I am proposing rests on the genesis of the Arthurian legends, which were inherited by the Grail story writers of Medieval France, having occurred in Dark Age Wales after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the early 5th century AD. Quoting from my article:
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"Another name for sorcerers is, of course, magicians. This is something the Druids were certainly viewed as being through their practice of magic incantations or use of enchantments. Is there any evidence though for a small group of Druid magicians or sorcerers to have been associated with Vortigern? In fact, there is. As I mentioned above, near Dinas Emrys, Vortigern’s stronghold where Geoffrey of Monmouth claimed a young Merlin was almost sacrificed by Druid priests, archaeologists discovered towards the end of the 20th century a burial ground, where the stone-lined graves of several Celtic Druids were unearthed. Andrew Collins named this site as Cell-y-Dewiniaid – the ‘Grove of the Magicians’ – which was once a sacred shrine of oaks below the heights of Dinas Emrys. It was here that Vortigern’s Druids had met to discuss the great issues of the day. At the end of the field where the graves were found, a white thorn tree and a stone had been used to mark the spot where each Druid had been laid to rest. Although the oak trees were cut down long ago, four old, gnarled thorn trees still mark the spot."

So, did the Druids, as the magicians or sorcerers, of Dinas Emrys enter into a pact or covenant to depose the hapless Vortigern as king and replace him first with his son and then, after his death, with Aurelius Ambrosius Aurelianus (Merlin Ambrosius)? Perhaps someone can ask the C’s?

The Druids of Britain (but not Scotland) had all but been wiped out by the Romans during their nearly 400 year occupation of Britain with only a few surviving in secret in remote areas. Moreover, by the 5th century AD, Christian missionaries had converted most of what had been Roman Britain (Constantine the Great had marched on Rome from the city of York and tradition holds that his mother was a Christian British noblewoman) after Constantine had become the first Christian emperor. Hence, the 5th century AD would almost certainly have been the last hurrah for the Druids of Britain.

As I point out in my article, the C's linked the construction of Stonehenge (the 'Cloister of Ambrius') in 8,000 BC with the Druids, which suggests that the Druids have a much older pedigree than main line historians attribute to them. The C's also confirmed that Stonehenge was linked with the god Phoebus Apollo who in classical Greek mythology became the son of Zeus. This might suggest that Apollo and Zeus were originally Trojans gods who travelled with the defeated Trojans to Anatolia to be adopted later by the Hellenic Greeks under the names we know them today after they came into contact with the more sophisticated Hittites.

Could this mean the Druids were in some way involved with the offshoot of the Nordic Covenant Root?

Finally, the root "Don" is also linked with the suffix "Dan" and can be found in place names in the British Isles such as Doncaster (located on the English river Don) or Donegal in Ireland. If "Don" and "Dan" are interchangeable, they may both be linked with the people of the goddess Danu (or the Sumerian deity Anu) who are otherwise known in Ireland as the 'Tuatha de Danaan' or to Homer as the Danaans (as founded by the legendary Danaus) who played a major part in the Trojan War as allies of the Achaeans - the C's having also told us that the Danaans were originally Scythians. If the Tuatha de Danaan or Danaans are linked with Anu, then the giant red-haired Tuatha de Danaan of Irish legend could feasibly have been a remnant of the Anunnaki giants of Mesopotamia.
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Q: Now, on a couple of occasions we have talked about trees. You have said that the trees would lead me to an answer. Then you made remarks about beechnut, and oaks, and beech and bloodlines and family trees and the Nordic Covenant. Basically, I asked about this Nordic Covenant and you said that I would find the answer, that the trees would lead me to it. I asked what literary source I should go to to find the least distorted source of information. You answered "trees" again.

Were they talking about Yggdrasil?

To the Norse, the World Tree was Yggdrasil? For them, this was an Ash tree (which curiously is my own family name). However, to the Druids, the World Tree was the Oak tree, with some researchers thinking the name "Druid" even derives from the Oak. Indeed, Druids would frequently hold their religious ceremonies in Oak tree groves such as that which once stood at Cell-y-Dewiniaid – the ‘Grove of the Magicians’.

To answer your question though, I believe that where Laura mentions "trees" she was referring to a fantasy book, which would seem to have been full of Celtic mythological references. A further reference to this book was made here:

Session 29 August 1998:​

Q: In this other little book: There is a Celtic word that pops up in this funny little book, ‘pryf.’ What is pryf?

A: Soul.

Q: The book says here that there is a need for someone of a certain bloodline to come along and ‘free the dragon spawn.’ ‘None other than she can bring the pryf up from the deep no matter how they may make the serpents squirm. If she can hold her place in the gates of time.’ What are they talking about here; bringing up the dragon spawn, and how does that relate to soul?

A: You cannot see?

Q: It also says that this person with this bloodline, that it is the duty of this person to create a bridge between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time. Can you comment on that?

A: These questions have explanations which are readily apparent.

Q: Well, before, when I asked a question, you said that I would get my answer from the ‘trees.’ This book is all about ‘trees,’ in one way or another - ancient Druids and so forth. Was that clue given so that I would notice these things in this particular book even though it is fiction?

A: Certainly.

It is interesting though that the C's should have directed Laura to a fictional work for the answers to her question. This might again suggest that certain writers are influenced by 4D and 6D to write works which contain useful or arcane knowledge that people can pick up on if they know what they are looking for. Does anybody recall the name of the book Laura was referring to here as it might be useful to read? Did the C's influence the writer in this case?​

 

[Evan]

Merely my method, I use. Effects are exactly as described. Gives multiple solutions, shown on the linked image, where you can see a connected network of dots (closeness in meaning). If you can visualize a scenario, where these closely placed dots [of meaning] emit so much light that they overshine each other, then the meanings become overlapped, like this.

Selective sorting via Gurdjieffs methods recommended, because Ibn al-ʿArabī describes how dangerous the illusionary realm is and (IIRC) Tibetan monks also mention that this ocean [of illusions] is very deep. Therefore sorting the downloaded large blocks of data requires increased mental capacity, which the described semi-sleep state of mind easily supplies. Gurdjieff describes that a cognitive state can be reached via exercises/The Work, where you know everything you have learned so far. Probably G. also meant increased IQ as well, where you can sort / collate / deftly work with the increased amount of data you can hold in you head. That semi-sleep state I described provides this exact memory capacity and 'supercomputation'. In my case. Therefore sorting out complex ideas and creating hypotheses and writing posts in my head for this thread becomes easily doable.

Once the described semi-sleep state passes, I wake up. Brain-waves functions return to normal, automatically switching me back to 'low IQ and poor memory' as usual for my days. Suddenly having lost described capacities both for 'super-memory' and 'super-computing', I forget nearly everything I collated, hypothesized and I lose the posts I wrote in my head.

Castaneda in his books describes profound experiences in special states of mind, which Don Juan helps him get into. Once those states pass, Castaneda forgets everything. Don Juan tells him, that a required time period is needed to digest what happened. Once the wait is over, (IIRC) Castaneda starts to receive bits and pieces of understanding of what happened.

Thank you for the clarification. I reread your original post and realized you said in the first paragraph that you had “nearly the same effects as”. I missed that the first time I read it. I admittedly suffer from some mild cognitive issues when reading. Thank you also for the additional Gurdjieff and Castaneda references.

 

[MJF]

lilies said:

Once the described semi-sleep state passes, I wake up. Brain-waves functions return to normal, automatically switching me back to 'low IQ and poor memory' as usual for my days. Suddenly having lost described capacities both for 'super-memory' and 'super-computing', I forget nearly everything I collated, hypothesized and I lose the posts I wrote in my head.

Castaneda in his books describes profound experiences in special states of mind, which Don Juan helps him get into. Once those states pass, Castaneda forgets everything. Don Juan tells him, that a required time period is needed to digest what happened. Once the wait is over, (IIRC) Castaneda starts to receive bits and pieces of understanding of what happened.

This is an interesting description of entering into a hyper state of mind since it mirrors to some extent the experiences of the American psychic Edgar Cayce. He would go into a trance like state and deliver a long, if at times rambling, highly detailed monologue. However, once he awoke from his trance, he had no memory at all of what he saw in his mind or what he said whilst in the trance. The C's mentioned in the transcripts that Cayce had a special biochemistry, which helped to facilitate these states:​

Q: (L) What was the source of knowledge accessed by Edgar Cayce?

A: Well, he had a unique biochemical composition which allowed for easy opening and closing of his consciousness from outside sources without interference with his electromagnetic flow stream. It is a very unique and unusual situation. The first manifestation of this was when he asked for help. If he had not asked for help from a higher source, possibly his awareness of his abilities would never have come forth.

Cayce would go into an hypnotic state and it is known that under hypnosis people can remember large volumes of information that they would not be able to do in a fully conscious state. This point leads me to recall what the C's said here about hypnosis:

Session 9 November 1994:
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Q: (L) What is this thing we call hypnosis?

A: The 2nd step to open consciousness union with level 5.

Q: (L) What's the first step?

A: Dream state.

Q: (L) What's the third step?

A: Trance.

Q: (L) What's the fourth step?

A: Expiration of body functions.

Q: (L) You mean as in death, kicked the bucket?

A: Of body.

Quoting Laura on Cayce's trance readings:

"As I understand it, Cayce never channelled any entities. He claimed to read the "akashic records" which is quite different from channelling an "entity."

BTW: Regarding Edgar Cayce, the C's once made the following comments about something Cayce had commented on in response to a question from Laura:​

Q: You guys are TOO MUCH! Next: Cayce remarked in one of his vague dissertations - and for those who accuse the C's of being vague, they ought to read Cayce, since he was a MASTER of vague! He could talk for pages and say NOTHING! - anyway he said that there were a lot of Atlanteans incarnating between the years 1909 and 1930. He described them as having strong minds and emotions as well as an 'engorgement' of carnal influences, self-indulgence and high technical ability. He also warned that there was the possibility repeating the errors of the past. Now, these are the people who have set up the world as we have it today. My question is: are we facing a replay of the Atlantean situation, in karmic terms?

A: Well, these cycles do replay from an energy standpoint, but there is always the opportunity to learn and thusly, to advance. Was not his proclamation for those born between 1909 and 1930?? And, if so, what is the significance of when it was delivered, if the orientation was one of the "present" tense?

Q: So, it was possible that he was referring to the Hitler, WWII situation.

A: Or just not referring to those of a later "date" because it was not germaine? {Seems to be a deliberate misspelling of “germane”)

Although I have commented on the C's odd spelling of "germaine" in other posts (as the C's used the expression in other places too), I have only recently stumbled across this comment by Cayce himself on the matter, which could possibly be relevant to the C's strange answer above.

The C's spelling of "germaine" mirrors that of the name of one of history's great mystery men, who many have viewed as a charlatan and, that is the Count Saint Germain. The Comte St. Germaine cropped up at many of the leading courts of Europe, including the French court of King Louis XVI, during the 18th century. He posed as an eccentric aristocratic figure, a dandy who was both charming and very well informed. However, many just saw him as a 'con man' on the make. He even managed to get himself arrested in London in 1745 at the time of the Highland Uprising (led by the Young Pretender Bonnie Prince Charlie) when he was found to be in possession of incriminating letters linking him to the Jacobite cause. He somehow managed to talk his way out of it and returned to the Continent. Amongst other things, he claimed to be an alchemist who could transmute base metals into gold. Surprisingly, when Laura queried his claim with the C's, they confirmed that he did have the gift:​

Q: (L) Comte St.Germaine claimed to be able to transmute lead into gold. Was this true?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) He also claimed to have discovered the secret of eternal youth, was this true?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did he die like everybody else at the regular age?

A: Yes.

The C's affirmative answer suggests that there was far more to the man than met the eye. Indeed, I have argued elsewhere that he may have been a senior Rosicrucian who played a pivotal part in the signing of the American Declaration of Independence. It has also been alleged that the Comte Saint-Germaine had an alchemical workshop near Bezu in southern France (N.B. a name which is perhaps linked by way of an anagram with the name "Zuber" that the C's once gave Laura as a clue), a site where the Knights Templar had a major Preceptory in the 14th century. It has even been claimed that Benjamin Franklin met there with the Comte Saint-Germaine and important French military figures to discuss French military support for the American revolutionaries - noting here that Franklin was a member of the notorious English Hellfire Club, which many view as having been a Rosicrucian and Jacobite front).

But what is the link, if any, between Edgar Cayce and the Comte Saint-Germaine? Well, Cayce, the "Sleeping Prophet", was once asked apparently whilst in a trance if Saint Germain was present. Cayce's reply was: "When needed." (From reading # 254–83 on 2/14/1935.)

Does this suggest the Comte Saint-Germaine may at 5th density have communicated with Cayce on occasions remembering what the C's said about hypnosis:
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Q: (L) What is this thing we call hypnosis?

A: The 2nd step to open consciousness union with level 5.

Did the Comte Saint-Germaine, who the Theosophists of the early 20th century viewed as an ascended master, provide Cayce with the information on the reincarnating Atlanteans? If so, did Cayce unwittingly channel 5th density beings and not the Akashic Records as he thought? As the C's once commented on channelling:
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Q: (A) There are several people who essentially think the same direction as we have been discussing... they are almost on the same track. Matti Pitkanen is one of them and Tony Smith is the other. How can these two guys have these similar ideas without having access to channelling?

A: Who said they they have no access to channelling? Some channel without knowing it.

 

[lilies]

Thank you for the clarification. I reread your original post and realized you said in the first paragraph that you had “nearly the same effects as”. I missed that the first time I read it. I admittedly suffer from some mild cognitive issues when reading. Thank you also for the additional Gurdjieff and Castaneda references.

Sorry. My bad. Despite my age I still get too excited sometimes, and now with bad timing I haven broken my vow of not posting about these topics, until I achieved my plan to provide solid proof.

 

[happyliza]

To answer your question though, I believe that where Laura mentions "trees" she was referring to a fantasy book, which would seem to have been full of Celtic mythological references. A further reference to this book was made here:

Session 29 August 1998:

Q: In this other little book: There is a Celtic word that pops up in this funny little book, ‘pryf.’ What is pryf?

A: Soul.

Q: The book says here that there is a need for someone of a certain bloodline to come along and ‘free the dragon spawn.’ ‘None other than she can bring the pryf up from the deep no matter how they may make the serpents squirm. If she can hold her place in the gates of time.’ What are they talking about here; bringing up the dragon spawn, and how does that relate to soul?

A: You cannot see?

Q: It also says that this person with this bloodline, that it is the duty of this person to create a bridge between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time. Can you comment on that?

A: These questions have explanations which are readily apparent.

Q: Well, before, when I asked a question, you said that I would get my answer from the ‘trees.’ This book is all about ‘trees,’ in one way or another - ancient Druids and so forth. Was that clue given so that I would notice these things in this particular book even though it is fiction?

A: Certainly.

It is interesting though that the C's should have directed Laura to a fictional work for the answers to her question. This might again suggest that certain writers are influenced by 4D and 6D to write works which contain useful or arcane knowledge that people can pick up on if they know what they are looking for. Does anybody recall the name of the book Laura was referring to here as it might be useful to read? Did the C's influence the writer in this case?

Thank you MJF for this reminder. However, it is the second time I have got the same impression so I wish to share it if for no other reason than to have it eliminated, because it is quite strong each time. ,

When the C's say "you cannot see?'
and
'These questions have explanations that are readily apparrent'

My gut feeling that this was because it was about Laura herself. And due to not having the arrogance of the assumption it was not 'readily apparent'.

As there is no 'time' and this was quite a few centuries 'ago':

Q: It also says that this person with this bloodline, that it is the duty of this person to create a bridge between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time. Can you comment on that?

My comment is that I can think of no other person who was groomed and who took on the 'duty' to create a brdige between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time - FOR HUMANITY!

Especially telling is the mention of bloodlines! Trees - family trees?

Who else could this person be???

 

[avivalevy3]

Session Date: April 27th 2024

Laura and Andromeda at the board

Joe, Niall, Gaby, Ark, PoB, Chu, Scottie, Falkor, Bella, Leia

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Q: (L) Today is April 27th, 2024. [Review of those present] All right... I guess we’ll get started off here and see how many of these we can get through before I collapse, people. Geez! Is anybody there?

A: 6 density Gorippaea here.

Q: (L) Is that Gorippaea, Cassiopaea?

A: Yes.

(L) Well, you have kind of a different intro than... Well, they all have different intros. What am I talking about? All right. The energy seems a little slow. Is that going to be a problem?

A: No. It will groove.

Q: (L) Is there anything you would like to tell us before we get started on this really long list of questions? I mean, something that we might need to know in advance?

A: In reality, there is no time. Perception is what gives the illusion.

Q: (L) And that is apropos of what?

A: You will see.

Q: (L) Well, I don't like the sound of that. Whenever they say, "You will see," it's never pleasant! [laughter] All right, first question from Altair:

(Altair) In what year were the Nazis first contacted by Nordics?

A: Nazis existed under different monikers much earlier. 1914.

Q: (Altair) Did Hitler actually die in 1945 in Berlin?

A: Yes

Q: (Altair) In one of the previous sessions, the C’s said that Theodore Illion (author of 'Darkness Over Tibet') didn't visit Tibet but traveled to Siberia. Was this part of Siberia the Altai region?

A: No. He did not make it that far.

Q: (Altair) If not, what part of Siberia did he travel to?

A: Western edges.

Q: (Altair) When did he do so?

A: 1936 or so.

Q: (Altair) Is the Olena Zelenska Foundation (founded by the wife of Zelensky in 2022) involved in child trafficking as some Russian sources claim?

A: Tangentially, yes.

Q: (L) Does that mean that it's not like... How to ask this? It's not a main activity, but it happens because of the corruption of the individuals involved?

A: Yes

Q: (Altair) Which events initiated the upcoming program change?

(L) What program change?

[Discussion of beginning of March 9, 2024 session - Session 9 March 2024]

(L) Okay, so this is just Altair's tricky way of trying to get more answers than they gave the last time. [laughter]

(Joe) He wants to know why it's happening now, I suppose.

(Altair) Which events initiated the upcoming program change? Is it because of Ukraine losing on the battlefield?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it because of Trump?

A: Closer.

Q: (Niall) Something to do with American politics?

(L) So, does this program change have to do with American politics?

A: Warm.

Q: (L) Is it something that we're seeing at the present moment with these massive protests that are going on at the US universities, which is basically making Israel look really, really bad?

(Joe) Because of what they're doing in Palestine.

(L) So they've got some kind of something that's got to be done about this?

A: Very warm.

Q: (L) So, it has to do with Israel, possibly with Trump and the American political scene and the mass protest against the genocide and Palestine?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So, they're going to try to do something because...

(Joe) To distract from all that.

(L) To distract from all that, or to damp that down?

A: Yes

Q: (L) All right. Okay. Altair asks:

(Altair) How many nukes does Israel actually have?

A: 157

Q: (Joe) That's less than people suspect.

(L) Huh?

(Joe) People say 400. The number of 400 has been touted over the years as the number of nukes that they have.

(L) Well, they said 157.

(Joe) It's still enough, right?

(L) Yeah, that's a lot.

(Joe) How many does Iran have?

A: More.

Q: (L) Did you get that excerpt for me for Altair's next question?

[Review of previous session about 4D bases "in" 5D]

Q: (L) Okay, so then the question is:

(Altair)The C's once said that 4D STS also have bases in 5D.

(L) I think they said they "transit". I don't think they said they... Did you mean that they actually had bases in 5D?

A: No

Q: (L) So, then the rest of the question, "Do they abduct people to their bases located in 5D?" would be no, right?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay. But you say that the bases "transit" 5D. Transit?

A: Everything living is connected to 5D via cord or conduit at all times. Thus 4D bases are also connected.

Q: (L) So, we're not talking about physical structure bases, we're just talking about the fact that abduction activities and base-type activities are, I mean... I guess in a way we're all connected to 5D at all times. Yes?

A: Yes

Q: (L) All right. Do you want to work on that any harder, Altair? Where is he?

(Altair) Yes, I will.

(L) Well, I mean, right now, do you want to add anything to it? Because that's where… I mean, it is not a very clear question and I don't know...

(Joe) He's giving up.

(L) You're giving up on that one for the moment? Okay.

(Altair) Were there any agreements between 4D STS and Russian military/officials, as was the case with the USA?

A: Not officially, no.

Q: (L) Does that mean there were some agreements with somebody in Russia at some point? In some way?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And is that still the case?

A: To a small extent in some nefarious quarters.

Q: (Joe) The difference being that with the US, it was officially agreed by the deep state or whatever, and they actually worked with them and all that kind of stuff.

(L) Okay. Did Nienna ever come up with that map?

(Chu) I don't think so.

(L) Nienna, we need this map for the question you've got here. It says, "map attached".

(Chu) I sent Nienna and Approaching Infinity a message earlier.

(Approaching Infinity) Oh yeah, we didn't see that message. What were you asking for?

(Chu) Nienna says on the question that she sent an attachment; something from Google Maps or something, but it didn't go through on the questions.

(L) It says these people are claiming there is a pyramidal...

(Approaching Infinity) Nienna is saying that Leclerc said that there was a map attached. It wasn't her. She copied her post, she says.

(L) Oh, and where was this post?

(Nienna) Somewhere in last month's session thread.

(Approaching Infinity) Do you remember what the map showed?

(Nienna) Yeah, it showed the area where they said the pyramid was not at.

(Approaching Infinity) Oh, well, it was a map of Alaska. The region where the pyramid is not, but where people say the pyramid is. So, by Mount McKinley, I guess.

(L) Can anybody find it? I'd like to see this map.

(Joe) You know the question about the pyramid?

Q: (L) Yeah, I know, but I'd like to see this map. I mean, they're claiming there's proof. I'd like to see it.

(Joe) I don't think it's proof. It's just a map showing a point on it saying this is where the pyramid is, not evidence or an actual picture of the pyramid.

(L) Shows on Google Earth...

(Chu) Here it is.

(L) Okay, that's not the same. That's not it.

(Chu) That's the only link they posted so far.

Q: (L) Well, anyhow, if y'all try to find it, by the time we get to that question, I'll have a map to look at, because I am always curious when people make these declarative statements and they claim they attach proof. Okay, Altair again:

(Altair) There is a book 'UFO Danger Zone: Terror & Death in Brazil' by Bob Pratt. He writes, "Since the 1970s and probably much earlier, terrible things have been done to people in Brazil, perhaps more so than in all other countries combined. And these cosmic muggings are still occurring. To my knowledge, it is only in Brazil, not neighbouring countries or the United States or any other nation in the world that UFOs have been so overtly hostile." My questions: Why were 4D STS so aggressive with Brazilians? Several people were injured or killed.

A: There are many Brazilians involved in questionable practices that attract and give permission for such violations in the specific areas.

Q: (L) Questionable practices, such as?

(Chu) Black magic.

(L) Is some of it black magic?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Stuff like voodoo?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Stuff like spirit worship or calling on spirits?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Anything else?

A: Drugs.

Q: (L) Drugs like ayahuasca?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Does using ayahuasca leave a person open to violation by 4D STS?

A: Can.

Q: (L) All right then.

(Joe) Also dancing the lambada. [laughter]

Q: (L) What is that?

(Chu) [Hums lambada music]

(L) I want a demonstration. Okay, so:

(Altair) What race or group of 4D STS was responsible for it?

A: Varied. Depends on the specific case.

Q: (L) Oh yeah. All right.

(Altair) In an older session, the C's mentioned replacement of human key personnel conducted by 4D STS. How many such people are on the surface of our planet at the moment?

(L) What good is it going to do any of us to know how many? I mean, how many... Is there a reason we need to know that number?

(Altair) No, just to get the idea of the scale of this activity.

(L) Okay. Okay, let's see... How many key individuals are replacement of human key personnel, say, in government? What's the percentage? Because we're assuming key personnel or government, right?

A: Not always.

Q: (L) So it would be different percentages in different groups?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Could we say that, for example, influencers on social media could be considered key personnel?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So, is there a percentage on that one?

A: 13

Q: (L) 13 percent.

(Andromeda) Just for social media.

(Niall) 13% of them are what are replaced. What does that mean?

(L) I guess they're replaced by underground or...

(Andromeda) Or what?

A: Walk-ins.

Q: (Andromeda) People that work at nuclear facilities as well, ya know?

(L) That could be, yeah. People in nuclear facilities, people in the military, police. How many are in the military? I mean, we obviously know one...

(Joe) We do?

(L) Yeah. You know the one that wears the dress?

(Joe) Oh. That's not a walk-in, it's just a tranny. [laughter]

(L) Okay. People in the military have been replaced?

A: Yes

Q: (L) People in the government have been replaced. People on, say, media, like television or whatever, have some of them been replaced?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And it varies according to what field they're in as to how many are replaced?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Was Joe Biden replaced?

A: NO. He is just senile and a useful puppet.

Q: (L) Yeah, I mean, if they're going to put somebody there, they'd make 'em at least functional!

(Andromeda) Yeah.

(L) All right, so basically, we really can't get just, like, a general overall figure, can we?

A: 20 percent.

Q: (L) 20% overall. Could be higher in some and lower in others. Is that it? So, this is an average using figures from all the different...?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay. So, just as long as everybody understands what that's an average of, because obviously, in some fields there'll be a lot more and in some there'll be a lot less. I would say that among the global elite, it's probably like 50% or more. Okay.

(Keit) On the 12th of July, 1984, while on board the Salyut-7 station, several cosmonauts encountered an orange cloud in the path of the station. As the station continued moving, it entered the cloud and the orange gas penetrated the station and engulfed the cosmonauts. Then they were blinded by a strong light, and when they were able to see again, they saw seven giant angelic figures floating in space in front of the station. The angels looked at them with an expression of delight and pure joy. After 10 minutes, the angels disappeared along with the cloud. The question is, what really happened to the cosmonauts, and who were the angels?

(L) Do we know this actually happened?

(Joe) Who made that claim?

(L) Yeah. Who's making that claim?

(Joe) The cosmonauts themselves?

(L) Keit, where are you?

(Approaching Infinity) She's not here.

(L) Okay, so let's see… It's on YouTube. [Review of forum post that includes YouTube vid of the alleged event] The story was told also on the History Channel. All right, so the question is: Did this event actually happen, at least, as reported?

A: No.

Q: (L) Did something happen? Did they see something?

A: Yes

Q: (L) What actually was happening?

A: Abduction and implanting of screen memory.

Q: (L) Was that the usual way of abducting, where you draw out the soul essence, remolecularize a body around it, and then work on it and then put the soul back? I mean, they didn't actually go into the space station and take them physically, did they?

A: No

Q: (L) And it was, as I proposed that it was, the usual mode?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And what was the purpose of it?

A: Sampling to determine effects of space travel on physiology.

Q: (L) And they can do that because when they remolecularized them, everything remolecularized is exactly as the actual body? Is that it?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay, so I guess that pretty much answers that. Next question:

(Keit) There are other examples of cosmonauts while in space hearing strange noises: electronic music, a baby crying, a dog barking (the cosmonauts thought it was Laika, the dog who died in space). What is the nature of these experiences?

A: Bleedthrough of astral realm due to altered mental/psychic states.

Q: (L) So, are you suggesting they may actually have been hearing the dog Laika barking?

A: Yes

Q: (L) I knew it! Altair's back:

(Altair) Was the Nordic covenant made on the 3D Earth?

A: No.

Q: (L) If so, where? Well, that's irrelevant. It was not made on the 3D Earth. Where was it made?

A: 4D.

Q: (Altair) Are there any traces of the Nordic covenant in German/Norse mythology?

A: The whole mythos is permeated with it.

Q: (Altair) What did the forebears of Celts and Russians call their group/nation?

A: Varied.

Q: (L) Are you saying that there was more than one forebear?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And that that's not a very specific question?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay.

(Nienna) This is a follow-up question from the dark or black pyramid that was asked last session. There are a few people in the area, where this underground pyramid is said to be, that say they think something is there because of an area that is fenced in with a couple of watch towers or something similar on the property. So, my question is, is there something there in that area southwest of Mount McKinley and what some say is the Alaskan Triangle? Is there something there?

A: Yes

Q: (Nienna) If so, what is it?

A: Entry/exit to underground facility with attendant magnetic anomalies. Similar to Skinwalker Ranch.

Q: (Nienna) Why is there so much still coming out recently about the dark or black pyramid?

A: Smoke screen.

Q: (Nienna) On another note, we had a new member who said they were a psychic and belonged with a group of psychics who disagreed with the answer that there is not a pyramid underground in Alaska because they saw it.

(L) Did they see it with their eyes or did they see it psychically?

(Approaching Infinity) Psychically.

(L) Well, that's not terribly trustworthy. They say, "On the contrary, there IS a (pyramidal? pentagonal?) structure in Alaska."

(L) Which is it?

(Joe) Who cares?

(L) A pyramid and a pentagon are...

(Joe) They're asking, what is the shape of this underground base?

(L) Yeah, they say, "It's black and inverted." So, in other words, there is not a pyramid standing up above the landscape. It's allegedly underground and psychics have seen it.

(Joe) It's an underground facility like they just said. It's probably got a shape to it. Who cares?

(L) They go on: "It shows on Google Earth as a geometric patch with a ring around it from the energy. People have disappeared trying to investigate. Here it is on a map: (please see attached)."

Google Maps reference

(L) Is that the map?

(Andromeda) See the circle?

(L) Where? Oh, there's a circle.

(Andromeda) That's what they're saying it is.

(L) Let's enlarge it. And that's the black pyramid. That could also be a leftover remnant from a comet impact. I mean, it looks like it's got a chunk in the center and a circle around it.

(Joe) Maybe that's where they decided to build their underground base.

(L) And then they say, "The fact that your channeled source says otherwise is troubling." I'm troubled for other reasons... [laughter]

"Does your channeler set protection before they channel?"

(L) No, I stay freaking awake!

"We found that virtually no channelers set protection and are consequently getting info from highly questionable sources."

(Joe) Who is this person, and why are we giving them any airtime?

(L) Talk about ignorance. They asked the question, "Is there a pyramid there?" and the C's said no, there is no pyramid there. But now they're telling us the pyramid is underground, it's inverted.

(Chu) Or maybe it's a pentagon!

(L) They're saying it's inverted. That's why you can't see it. Right? It's like all those times that the Galactic Federation saved Earth, and that's why we aren't all dead, even though we didn't see it or know about it. It's amazing. SIGH...

(Approaching Infinity) In his book 'Earth: An Alien Enterprise', Timothy Good devotes a chapter to the Italian "Amicizia" or "Friendship" case, an alleged string of contacts with human-looking beings that occurred from 1956 to 1990 and involved many dozens of witnesses, some of whom were prominent in the community (doctors, academics, engineers, etc.). Good is convinced of the sincerity of the witnesses he investigated. The beings claimed to live in underground bases, reportedly even taking some of the witnesses to them. They looked human, often Nordic, except some were dwarfs, others giants, though well-proportioned. According to Good, one of the witnesses, Bruno Sammaciccia, a Catholic scholar and psychiatrist, photographed one such giant, "Mr. Kenio". Good includes this photograph in his book. It depicts a fairly normal-looking man. There is nothing obvious in the photo from which to judge the man's height, but an amateur analysis based on the size of the pine needles and perspective suggests he may be up to 10 feet tall. How tall was the man in this photograph?

(L) Approaching Infinity! My God... All right, I'm asking it: How tall was the man in the photograph?

A: 9.6 feet.

Q: (L) Are you happy knowing that now?

(Approaching Infinity) Was he one of these underground humans as claimed?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And that's all you want to know? How tall was he?

(Approaching Infinity) Yeah, I just wanted to know if we had an actual photograph of an underground giant. That's it. And if anyone wants to expand on that, by all means…

(Joe) Laura, it's in the latest Cassiopaea Substack on the undergrounders. I was looking at it, and I was discussing it with Approaching Infinity. The guy just looks… it's hard to tell. I mean, it's a pretty good picture. It's like an 80's photograph or something. He's got shorts on, t-shirt, short-sleeved t-shirt. Looks like a tall guy.

(L) Well, I would like to know… It says that these are people who live underground. Do they actually live underground on Earth?

A: Not exactly. Dimensional portal.

Q: (L) So, it's kind of, like, maybe something similar to the Green Children? Y'all know the story of the Green Children that appeared in England, I think it was? Does anybody know the story of the Green Children? Approaching Infinity, do you know the story of the Green Children?

(Approaching Infinity) No, I hadn't heard of that.

(L) Oh God. Somebody just look it up on Google right now.

(Approaching Infinity) Well, in the meantime, Laura, maybe one question would be, were these guys, like, some of the undergrounders that we've been talking about in previous sessions?

A: No.

Q: (L) Okay, here we go: The Green Children of Woolpit. [Green children of Woolpit - Wikipedia] Two children of unusual skin color who reportedly appeared in the village of Woolpit in Suffolk, England. In the 12th century, children found to be brother and sister, of generally normal appearance, except the green color of their skin. They spoke an unknown language and would eat only raw, broad beans. Eventually they learned to eat other food, etc. and lost their green color. Well, while we are on it, did the Green Children really happen?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Were they similar to this? They came from another dimension?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) So, this giant guy, Mr. Kenio… They say they live underground because they transfer through a portal to another dimension that just happens to be situated physically below the surface of Earth or something like that?

Photoshopped size reference

(L) It may be coincidental at the moment that the portal is there. Let me ask you this, Approaching Infinity. You're the one that read this book, right?

(Approaching Infinity) Yep.

(L) 1956 to 1990. Why did it stop in 1990?

(Approaching Infinity) Well, apparently, if I remember correctly, the contacts just kind of fizzled out. I don't know if there was… I don't think Good dealt with it in detail. It's a really, really weird case. And, at one point, they got that Bruno Sammaciccia guy to build a giant estate using his own money that cost a fortune that they could use. And then they had meetings there for a while and then they stopped coming, and Bruno was left with this giant estate and nothing to do with it. And I think that the impression I get, if I remember correctly, was that the contacts just stopped. It was just like they didn't show up anymore.

(Joe) Check out that dude. If you saw a picture of him, you'd think, well, he looks normal. He's got a shirt. He's supposedly giant, nine feet six tall, and hangs out and has drinks with people and says, "I'm an alien."

(Niall) Scottie's head comes up with his elbows.

(L) Well, yeah, that's a really weird case. And then they just stopped coming because maybe the dimensional portal closed.

(Chu) Well, the children said here that they came from another land where the sun never shone and the light was like twilight.

(L) It sounds like they came from underground.

(Chu) Yeah, everything there was green.

(L) They said they were from "Saint Martin's Land".

(Joe) So, what was the purpose of this contact with these giant guys in shorts?

A: Coincidental interaction between dimensions.

Q: (L) But these were just fairly kind of normal-looking people, only like giants and dwarfs or whatever?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Were they on a different 3rd density dimension then?

A: Yes

Q: (Andromeda) So that's why they could stay here.

(Joe) Yeah. And so, they're basically benevolent then, they just come and hang out?

A: Neutral.

Q: (L) Well, it doesn't sound terribly benevolent if they get this guy to build this big estate, and then they just stop showing up. But then that would be kind of normal in human interactions, too.

(Joe) Have we ever met an undergrounder?

A: Several.

Q: (Chu) Can you name one? [laughter]

(Niall) Who pops into mind?

(Joe) I've got one in mind, but can we have initials? [laughter]

A: No dice!

Q: (L) So we have to figure this out and learn to spot 'em?

A: Yes

Q: (Andromeda) They don't all look like giants or dwarfs, then.

A: No

Q: (L) All right. Have we ever encountered a person who's been replaced or who's a walk-in?

A: Yes

Q: (L) That's creepy.

(Andromeda) And I'm guessing all these people that come from this underground or other dimension know that they're transiting dimensions?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And the ones we met have been here with an agenda of some type?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) But they never achieved their agenda.

A: No

Q: (Joe) Because we kicked them to the curb! [laughter]

(L) All right.

(Approaching Infinity) Previous sessions make reference to two types of mantis-like beings: "soul essences" and "Minturians" who were said to be associated with Lizzies in some way, but not to assist in abductions (Oct. 23, 1994; Dec 9, 1994). It was also stated reptoids and mantids are real beings and not screen memories. Based on his work with abductees, David Jacobs concluded that mantids are in charge of the Grays and reptoids, and direct the abduction and hybridization program. Are these mantids "soul essences," "Minturians", or a third group?

A: Minturians. But soul essences can also be Minturian via reincarnation.

Q: (Approaching Infinity) How do they fit into the STS hierarchy already described in which Nordics control reptoids?

A: Minturians are generally genetics specialists only slightly higher in rank than reptoids. Nordics control both.

Q: (irjO) The C's mentioned that lizard beings could live among us in the past because the cosmic environment was different back then. They also mentioned that they built Angkor Wat around 3100 years ago. When was the last time/year in our known timeline when they were present among people?

A: 2300 BC

Q: (irjO) They mentioned also that we are approaching one of those cosmic environment changes soon. Will that change of the environment be the same or close to the one we used to have in that period in the past?

A: Different.

Q: (irjO) In our timeline, besides the construction of the Coral Castle, when was the last time the "sound focusing wave" technique was regularly used as a building method?

A: 1100 BC

Q: (irjO) Why did we stop using it?

A: Tech lost due to cataclysms. Also genetic component watered down and weakened. It emerges anomalously now and then. Witness: Leedskalnin.

Q: (L) So, there was a genetic component to this tech?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So, it was certain people who had the genetics who were doing it?

A: Yes

Q: (Andromeda) Just pops up every once in a while.

(L) Huh. Okay.

(Andromeda) We need that!

(Joe) We need to find somebody with those genetics.

(L) I think they pop up every once in a while. I've seen videos of people levitating and flying and stuff.

(Joe) I know, but that's no good. You need to get them to lift for you.

(L) Yeah. I mean, let's think about Daniel Dunglass Home.

(Joe) We need somebody who can levitate this house, so we can put a damp course underneath. [laughter] That would be useful!

(L) That would be terribly useful, yes. God, I hope you guys know how exhausting this is, so the next time you decide you want to ask questions, you make sure you really freaking want to know the answer!

(irjO) Before the final destruction of Atlantis, did they have one ruler or king? Royal families ruling in different regions, or sort of like a consortium too? What type of government system did they have?

(L) Do you really freaking care?

(Niall) You're asking for an essay!

(Joe) They were Commies. Pinko Commies! [laughter]

A: All of the above at different times and locations.

Q: (Joe) In other words: exactly the same as in our history.

(L) GIGO.

(Joe) Some things never change, people.

(irjO) Has the supposed chamber of the Atlantean records, buried underneath the Sphinx paw, already been opened in secret, or have they tried to open it?

(L) Has it already been opened in secret?

A: No.

Q: (L) Have they tried to open it?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why?

A: Obscured.

Q: (L) What do you mean obscured?

A: Hidden by energy shield.

Q: (L) So, is this one of those, like, sword-in-the-stone type things, that only special people could possibly get through the energy field and open?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Did we ask about the ship that hit the Francis Scott Key Bridge?

(Niall) No.

(A Jay) Was the steering of the ship into the Francis Scott Key Bridge deliberate and premeditated?

A: No

Q: (A Jay) If not, what caused the power failure of the ship?

A: Power failure had nothing to do with impact. Was side effect of bleedthrough of 4D energies.

Q: (Niall) That was your idea.

(L) I already thought about that. Why don't you just ask me? I'd have told you! I mean, it's like they said they described in - what was it? New Mexico, where you're driving and it looks like the road is straight, but it's really curving, or it's curving and it's really straight.

(Joe) Right. So, the driver, the captain, or whatever, just kind of, like, got confuddled about where he was going.

(L) And I bet he's still freaking out! He was sure he was going in the right direction.

(Joe) So, there were some symbolic aspects to it. It was the Francis Scott Key bridge.

(L) Were there symbolic aspects to it?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And is that because of the 4D energies that there's some information involved in it?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And was there any bleedthrough aspect to that event in London the other day with the horses and Big Ben?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Is there anything to be read intelligently in symbolism of these events, or is it just associated with the place that it is? Or is it predictive?

A: You have been doing well analyzing things when you network.

Q: (Joe) Cool.

(A Jay) In a previous session, it was said that there was a relationship between people and their recently deceased loved one; that when a person feels sadness or regret after a loved one passes; that it's kind of a mirror as to how the person who passed feels on the other side. Does this extend beyond the initial passing? For example, can the passing of a birthday or other significant event cause a resurgence of grief in both parties?

A: Yes.

Q: (Ryan) The IAEA recently claimed that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, which varies from the information given in Session 13 June 2015. Does the IAEA know about Iran's nuclear weapons?

A: No.

Q: (L) You could have figured that one out.

(Joe) Is it true that Israel and the USA know about them?

(L) Do Israel and the US know about Iran's nuclear weapons?

A: Suspect.

Q: (Ryan) Are leaders in the West knowingly facilitating an increase in warmongering to prepare to cover up a possible comet strike?

A: Yes.

Q: (Ryan) Mathematical physicist, Sir Roger Penrose, has a physicalist theory of quantum wave function collapse.

(L) I had Ark look at this question. He says that Roger Penrose does not have a physicalist theory of this quantum function wave collapse. He has an idea about it, and it's not yet been formulated into an actual theory. It's not developed enough to be considered a theory. And just remember the physicists use the word pretty strictly. We might say, "Oh, I have a theory!" just because we have an idea, but when physicists and mathematicians talk about theory, they're talking about something that's well developed and has some backing to it. So:

(Ryan) Sir Roger Penrose has a physicalist [idea] of quantum wave function collapse in which he thinks that gravity is the bridge between general relativity and quantum theory. Does inverting the physicalist aspect of this get us closer to the truth: i.e., does the measurement of the quantum wave function actually cause unstable gravity waves?

A: Close.

Q: (Ryan) Do the effects of any such unstable gravity waves then propagate 'downward' into the domains of general relativity and classical mechanics?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Is this an interesting path to explore?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Next question:

(Ryan) Why do 3D window-fallers fall through one window but not another? For example, why haven't there been reports of chupacabras in Europe? What relates the consciousness of a window-faller to a specific locator?

A: The consciousnesses of those located at the locator.

Q: (L) So, in other words, the reason they have chupacabras where they have chupacabras is because it's suitable for the consciousnesses of people that receive it. And that's what relates the consciousness of a window-faller to a specific locator: the consciousnesses of those located at the locator. Oh God, that's just... [laughter] There's leprechauns in Ireland, there's swamp monsters. It just depends on where you are. And of course, I'm sure it has something to do with the environment. I mean, you have a swamp and of course you're gonna think about creepy swamp monsters rising up with green slime dripping off of them.

(Joe) And in Ireland it's going to be little men with ginger beards drinking beer dancing around the tree! [laughter]

(L) Hoarding their gold.

(Andromeda) Where does that come from?

(Joe) That's just Irish people.

(Altair) Russian astrologist, Svetlana Dragan, has been claiming a strong possibility of contact with an ET civilization in 2026.

(L) Okay. That question is really kind of weird.

(Chu) The question comes after: Is she close time-wise?

(L) Well, yeah, but, "Is she close time-wise" refers back to the way that this is phrased. And if that is all inaccurate, then I mean... If I ask that question, "Is she close time-wise?" and they say no, it'll be, kind of like the black pyramid thing. They say: "No, No", and we walk away from it. We didn't ask: Is there something else going on there? So, does it mean that she is going to be in contact with an ET civilization; or does she mean that humanity is going to be in contact with an ET civilization? In which case, she's a little behind the eight ball, because humanity has been in contact with ET civilizations for a very long time. You see how asking the question…? I mean ...

(Altair) She means humanity. She means humanity and official contact.

(L) Humanity and official contact. Well, like I said, humanity has been in contact with ET civilizations for a very long time.

(Chu) Does she mean it publicly, like, disclosure and everybody's in touch…?

(Altair) Right. Exactly.

(L) Okay. She is saying, basically, there's going to be disclosure in 2026 of some kind. Is she close to the mark with that?

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, there's going to be some ramping up of some kind of disclosure-type information in another year or so?

A: Yes

Q: (Possibility of Being) Will it be a real disclosure or distraction?

A: Distraction. Real disclosure would lead to mass rejection.

Q: (L) In other words, if they really told who they were and what they were here for, people would freak!

(Possibility of Being) I'm not sure. Half of humanity now would probably run with open arms and greet them.

(L) Well, that's true.

(Keit) In the session on the 19th of May, 2021, you said about Havana syndrome, that it was caused by directed beam weapons; that it was more or less practicing on people, and that we should think 'false flag'. Recently, there was a 60 Minutes program blaming Russia. On the other hand, US intelligence agencies, for some reason, prefer not to blame Russia. In 2022, the CIA denied any foreign power involvement. In 2023, there was again an official assessment that concluded that Havana syndrome is not caused by energy weapons or a foreign adversary. And then this year, on the 1st of April, the White House confirmed that nothing changed and they stand by the same assessment. Based on the 60 Minutes program, many of the agents were focused on Russia in one way or another, and these agents who were focused on Russia are among the top performing in their various agencies. The question is, who is behind the attacks on these agents? Why do the US intelligence agencies in the White House not want to participate in the blaming Russia game?

A: CIA. Confusion is apparent. Smoke screen.

Q: (L) Okay, so they don't want to blame Russia, because they don't want Russia to seem to have that kind of technology. Is that part of the answer?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And certainly, they're not going to take the blame themselves because they don't want Russia or the public to know that they have that kind of technology. Is that it?

A: Yes. Note the presence of a US base in Cuba.

Q: (L) Guantanamo. All right. I'm really getting tired. How much more do I have to do? Oh Jesus Christ! There are three more pages!

(Scottie) Let poor Joe and NiallyBob ask some questions.

(Joe) I'll ask one. This is just to get this out of the way. Is there any truth to Pepe Escobar's claim that Israel initially planned to or decided to detonate a nuke over Tehran to create an EM pulse, but that the plane was shot down by the Russians - according to his SUPER high- level source?

(L) Is there any truth to that claim?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why?

(Joe) It was just outlandish and smacked of him being fed bogus information.

(Niall) Pepe is Brazilian, right?

(Scottie) Ah! Voodoo.

(Andromeda) High-level sources.

(Joe) Does Brigitte Macron have any biological children? As in, Jean-Michel, the man?

A: No.

Q: (Joe) So, who's the mother of her claimed children?

A: No name.

Q: (L) You are not going to give a name. That's violating somebody's privacy.

(Niall) Maybe they're from underground. [laughter]

(Gaby) Didn't you have a couple of questions, Laura?

(L) Oh, I'm too tired for even mine.

(Joe) What are they?

(L) I just wanted to ask some stuff about my brother and Pierre, so I'm not going to ask about it now. I'll ask this last one:

(PopHistorian) By what percentage does microwaving a precooked meal of meat and vegetables from 20 degrees Celsius to 60 degrees Celsius decrease its total alimentary value, disregarding caloric value, on average? By what percentage?

A: 15.

Q: (L) 15% percent. You still get something.

(Joe) You get 85% goodness.

(L) And that's all I'm going to do, people, because that's just too much. Let me mark where I stopped. Yeah well, the thing is, you gotta keep these and put them at the head and we'll see. We did Havana Syndrome; we stopped right on Havana Syndrome. All right, so I'm tired. Is there anything else that we should know that we didn't ask?

A: Not tonight. Rest. Goodbye.

END OF SESSION

Thanks for your efforts. I am guess y'all have the same question in mind for the next session: what happened to the helicopter last night that was carrying the Iranians?

 

[Mr.Cyan]

Thanks a million for another amazing session jam packed with a lot of info

It really feels that as the chaos increases - the forum and fellowship are getting more in synch - asking questions to gain more knowledge as deep down i think we all feel the "quickening" of events, and thus the hunger for knowledge and sorting out past histories increase. Thank you again Laura for asking the questions.

Im not sure why - and when i was re-reading the session and thinking about the program change - these excerpts of movies came to my mind.

Matrix - when Neo meets the Architect. If you can assume that the Architect is some 4D STS controller - having a great time mucking around causing chaos in 3D, so sure that their outcomes will come to pass (clearly wishful thinking). Then Neo's conversation with him is one of great hope. Making the choice against all odds against 4D STS machinations - while eventually succeeding in the end.

Another movie i saw recently was Civil War - and i attach the trailer below. While watching the movie sometime in April, i found it very realistic; and all through the movie i couldn't shake the feeling that i was watching a very real and possible alternative timeline for the USA in the near future.

For some reason the scene that sticks in my mind from the movie (minor spoiler alert) - is when the group of journalist travel towards the epicenter of the civil war closer to DC; they stop to buy fuel. The fuel station is manned by armed personnel. They offer 300 dollars to fill up half their tank - the attendant says "300 only buys a sandwich!" with a laugh. And they clarify "no, i meant 300 Canadian dollars" - and with that they could fill up fuel.

And about Brazilian voodoo - a heavy metal band that i like from Brazil comes to mind. They are called Sepultura and they are quite well known in the US. They released an album called "Roots" in 1996 where they fused tribal music from the Amazon (Xavante tribe i think) and metal. They also spent time with the tribe in the Amazon recording music.

Then they released a few singles and one of them was "Ratamahatta". The music video was a stop-motion clay music video that had not much relation to the lyrics of the song and a lot of fans were guessing why they made the video. I dont think they have ever provided an explanation for their strange music video. It was made in 1996 and it had in it what looked like dimensional window fallers descending on a small town in the Amazon; voodoo seances, weird characters and more. Here it is :

 

[EricLux]

i have read somewhere that the ability to have panoramic vision and to see an object simultaneusly from front and the rear is a characteristic of astral vision.

@heinrich I'm still not sure if astral vision is 4D vision, as I'm wondering about the difference between etheric and astral vision. The Cs have confirmed that 4D vision is 360° and that the 4th dimension of space is such that it allows us to apprehend the outside and the inside at the same time. It is perhaps this latter characteristic that allows us to rediscover the spherical aspect of 4D vision. We find ourselves within a spherical geometry in which there is no up or down, left or right, front or back.

As you said, perceiving an object simultaneously from the front and the back (or from the left and the right, or from above and below) is the hallmark of spherical geometry, of panoramic vision. It's as if all these perspective angles were interchangeable... Let's say it's perhaps the difference between seeing a sphere from the 3D vision and perceiving it, experiencing it from the 4D vision. In other words, in 3D, we perceive it according to one angle of vision, whereas, in 4D, we perceive it according to all angles at once. This could be the way to get out of linear time.

One last point, to feed into all this : in astral vision, when you perceive something coming towards you, it means something emerging within you. It's a kind of balance that supports the nature of the 4th dimension of space, which allows you to apprehend the inside and the outside simultaneously. It does so because inside and outside are interchangeable. This is how we achieve the simultaneity we're looking for.

Of course, all this should be asked to the Cs for confirmation or complement ​

 

[MJF]

To answer your question though, I believe that where Laura mentions "trees" she was referring to a fantasy book, which would seem to have been full of Celtic mythological references. A further reference to this book was made here:

Session 29 August 1998:

Q: In this other little book: There is a Celtic word that pops up in this funny little book, ‘pryf.’ What is pryf?

A: Soul.

Q: The book says here that there is a need for someone of a certain bloodline to come along and ‘free the dragon spawn.’ ‘None other than she can bring the pryf up from the deep no matter how they may make the serpents squirm. If she can hold her place in the gates of time.’ What are they talking about here; bringing up the dragon spawn, and how does that relate to soul?

A: You cannot see?

Q: It also says that this person with this bloodline, that it is the duty of this person to create a bridge between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time. Can you comment on that?

A: These questions have explanations which are readily apparent.

Q: Well, before, when I asked a question, you said that I would get my answer from the ‘trees.’ This book is all about ‘trees,’ in one way or another - ancient Druids and so forth. Was that clue given so that I would notice these things in this particular book even though it is fiction?

A: Certainly.

It is interesting though that the C's should have directed Laura to a fictional work for the answers to her question. This might again suggest that certain writers are influenced by 4D and 6D to write works which contain useful or arcane knowledge that people can pick up on if they know what they are looking for. Does anybody recall the name of the book Laura was referring to here as it might be useful to read? Did the C's influence the writer in this case?

Thank you MJF for this reminder. However, it is the second time I have got the same impression so I wish to share it if for no other reason than to have it eliminated, because it is quite strong each time. ,

When the C's say "you cannot see?'
and
'These questions have explanations that are readily apparrent'

My gut feeling that this was because it was about Laura herself. And due to not having the arrogance of the assumption it was not 'readily apparent'.

As there is no 'time' and this was quite a few centuries 'ago':

Q: It also says that this person with this bloodline, that it is the duty of this person to create a bridge between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time. Can you comment on that?

My comment is that I can think of no other person who was groomed and who took on the 'duty' to create a brdige between man and the gods, to open the doorways of time - FOR HUMANITY!

Especially telling is the mention of bloodlines! Trees - family trees?

Who else could this person be???

I believe your gut feeling is correct here. Almost certainly the C's meant Laura but as a naturally modest person she was not thinking of herself.

I am working from memory here but in one of the 1998 sessions (one I think that has not been transcribed yet) Laura discussed a strange dream she had recently had with the C's, which involved her meeting with an Egyptian pharaoh who almost certainly seems to have been Akhenaten, who is known to history as the heretic pharaoh for his embracing of monotheism through his worship of the Aten. From the details she gave, it would appear that she was a descendant of the pharaoh and she had a special mission to perform on behalf of the family. Hence we see a reference to a special bloodline here for Akhenaten would seem to have been a member of the Perseid family (a dynasty supposedly descended from the mythical hero Perseus who slew the Gorgon Medusa and saved the life of the princess Andromeda). I think the French-Norman family the Percys, who Laura is descended from, are descended from the Perseids. However, at one point in time, the C's told us that there was only one sole surviving Perseid who the C's linked with a person called Kore. Without going into details, I am sure that Kore is the figure called Hagar the Egyptian in the Bible who is depicted as the maid servant of Abraham's wife, Sarah. Due to the jealousy of Sarah, Abraham abandoned Hagar and her (and Abraham's) son Ishmael in the desert of Peran. However, the C's said that this figure was in fact the daughter of Sarah in her other guise as Queen Nefertiti, the wife of Akhenaten. I have deduced that Kore/Hagar must be the Princess Meritaten, the eldest child of Akhenaten and Nefertiti, who had herself reigned as Queen of Egypt with her husband Smenkhare after her father's death (or perhaps even before - when Akhenaten was incapacitated).

If Laura is descended from the Perseid bloodline, then she has to be a direct descendant of Meritaten, presumably via her son Ishmael (if that was his real name). It would help to know that archaeologists have yet to find a tomb for either Nefertiti or her daughter Meritaten. I have promoted the view that Meritaten subsequently became the famous Irish mythical princess Scota (after whom the nation of Scotland is named). There are two versions of the Scota myth though. One is that she was the daughter of an Egyptian pharaoh who drowned in the Nile who took refuge in Ireland. The other is that she was a Jewish princess Tea Tephi, the daughter of the last King of Israel, King Hezekiah who was rescued by the prophet Jeremiah and brought to Ireland from Egypt. You should be aware that the two different versions of Scota span a time period of 1000 years. My own view is that the first version of Scota's origins is the correct one and that she was Meritaten whose father, Akhenaten, was drowned in the Nile according to the C's:
​

Q: What happened to Akhenaten?

A: Drowned in the Nile.

and

Q: (L) Going back to this person - the last living member of the Perseid family - who was handed over by Abraham in his Jacob persona to someone else, who was this person handed over to and why?

A: For protection from the fury of "Helen." [MJF: Helen here is Nefertiti/Sarah]

Q: (L) So, there is a reflection of that in the story of Hagar the Egyptian. Who was she handed over to?

A: The "Dragon Slayers."

Q: (L) You mentioned before that Helen/Nefertiti/Sarah was locked up by Akhenaten. Why, specifically, was she locked up?

A: He became unable to function and the action was taken by others.

Q: (L) Did Akhenaten go mad as I have surmised?

A: Pretty much.

Q: (L) Did he fall in the Nile and get eaten by a crocodile as the story about one pharaoh suggests?

A: No Crocodile.

Q: So, he just fell in and drowned?

A: More like he was "helped."

I have strong reason to believe that the "Dragon Slayers" to whom the C's refer above in connection with Hagar (Meritiaten) are in fact the Tuatha de Danaan of Irish legend (or the missing Tribe of Dan in the Bible). They were a fabled race of golden red haired giants who, with the help of four magic weapons, conquered Ireland from a race of evil, bestial giants called the Formorians. They are viewed as gods and one of their number was a female called Brigid (or Bride in Scotland) a name involving the prefix "bri" which means "high" or "exalted one" from which today we derive words like "brilliant" for example .

Hence, to my way of thinking, Hagar is Meritaten, Scota and Brigid all rolled into one person. She would also seem to have been Helle who in the Greek myth of the Golden Ram (which would became the Golden Fleece that Jason and his Argonauts would later capture) was the twin sister of Phrixus. She supposedly fell of the Ram as it flew over the sea at the spot that is now called the Hellespont, the name associated with the narrow strait of water between the Sea of Marmara and the Aegean. However, it is more likely we are talking about the English Channel and her destination (Colchis) was really Britain:
​

Q: (Galahad) Is the importance of Argos related to the myth of Jason and the Argonauts?

A: Yup.

Q: (Galahad) Does it have something to do with the individuals who flew away on the Ram?

A: Mmmmm .... And did she really drown?

Q: (Galahad) Is it a significant fact that this girl's name was similar to Helen of Troy?

A: Could be a clue. All those stories of escape from confinement and flying and cataclysm...? Who was imprisoned? Why? Good night

Is there any proof that an Egyptian princess in 1350 BC could have landed in the British Isles and taken refuge here. The surprising answer is yes and it starts with the remarkable discovery in the 1950's of the body of a teenage boy found in a mound near the Hill of Tara in Ireland (which is linked with the Tuatha de Danaan) who was wearing a blue faience bead necklace almost identical to the one worn in his coffin by Pharaoh Tutankhamun (Meritaten's younger brother). However, the evidence does not stop there for well preserved Egyptian boats of this same vintage were also discovered in the 20th century at Ferriby on the river Humber in Yorkshire, territory that was once ruled over by the Celtic Brigantes tribe that took their name from the goddess Brigid (also called Brigantia in Europe).

Since Laura's roots lie in the British Isles and this is where legend has the Egyptian Scota land up, it would seem Laura is in some way descended from her and her son Ishmael (unless she had further children of course), which would then make sense of her dream where Akhenaten had appeared as the father figure of the family with some unfinished business to be resolved - which in my view involves the Grail.

For your information, I am currently working on an article dealing with the voyage of Meritaten to the British Isles, which relies on the remarkable detective work of a young British archaeologist who was prepared to question the archaeological establishment's view in order to get her answers. I hope to post it soon.

In the meantime, it would be good to know the name of the book Laura was referring to in order to discover the themes it covered within the story. Does anyone know?​

 

[Cleo]

“A: In reality, there is no time. Perception is what gives the illusion.“

I don’t know why this is bothering me so much…keep thinking about it.
Are we not living in reality?
Does this mean we are in a virtual world?

The Cs have mentioned us living in an illusion many times. You can do a search for the word "illusion" and come up with many hits. Here's a few that were mentioned in the first couple of years of the sessions:

Related to the above, I recently read the following excerpt from June 22nd 1996 that also touches on this topic:

Q: (L) Is 3rd density awareness the only density with perception of time?

A: No.

Q: (L) Well, what others?

A: 4,5,6,7.

Q: (L) But I thought that time perception was an illusion?

A: YOUR perception of it is an illusion. Remember the example of the dogs and cats riding in a car?

Q: (L) Yes. Ouspensky and the horse. So, time, as an essential thing, DOES exist?

A: But not as you know it. When we refer to "timelessness," we are speaking from the standpoint of your familiarity only.

Q: (L) Does time then exist, and does space have a limit?

A: You are getting confused because your inborn linear perception is clouding the image your efforts are trying to produce.

I have a question about the above. The above reference to "...dogs and cats riding in a car" and "Ouspensky and the horse" is to Ouspensky's Tertium Organum, the part that deals with animal perception correct?

 

[happyliza]

Thank you MJF that was a brilliant explanation and research!
I noted last night on the 2nd interview with Jay and Hunter that Laura stated she had no particular desire to visit Britain.
I woukd love to know if there is a particular reason, though the heart of the evil lies in the City in London.
However, perhaps from your above explanation it maybe such memories from past lives?

 

[PERLOU]

Thanks for the session to Laura and the crew, as well as to the Cassiopaeans and all those who made this meeting of spirits possible.

 

[Beau]

I noted last night on the 2nd interview with Jay and Hunter that Laura stated she had no particular desire to visit Britain.
I woukd love to know if there is a particular reason, though the heart of the evil lies in the City in London.

Probably she just doesn't like to travel.

 

[Happy Poo]

Thanks so much for this new transcript, and I'd just like to send love and condolences to dear Laura after the loss of her brother.
It's really great to see the new interviews with Jay Campbell :)

Had a sharp reminder recently of the need to be vigilant, discovered more by accident that there was a significant gas leak from the oven and am very lucky that nothing more serious happened than waking up with headaches and feeling generally tired, so really counting blessings right now, (the headaches etc had been going on for months, so it was probably leaking for a long time and now its sorted I'm feeling alot better), and as I live in a small space the gas would have displaced alot of oxygen from what I've read.

Very unsettling to hear about whats happened to the Iranian President, it does feel like things are speeding up, and thinking, what next! Take care to everyone and thanks again to all at the Chateau..

 

[RRR]

You said: There are no reports of the Chupacabra in Europe. Is Ukraine Europe? Or part of Europe? So here in Ukraine we have reports of the Chupacabra. These messages appear regularly for 20-30 years.