Session 28 December 2019

Kenny, if your only response to anyone having reverse effects is to say that they just took too little then that is going nowhere. Is is hard to accept that we are not all the same and that we react differently to different supplements?

All Itellsya is saying is to not make these kinds of blank statements of one size fits all because we have seen that not everybody reacts the same to supplements. That goes for iodine too. And to tell someone who is happy with iodine, to up the dosis by 1000% is a little strange.

Look, here I quoted two comments when people reported problems with low doses, while higher dose was ok:

Your only criticism result from ignorance about iodine. Human body needs huge amounts of iodine, that is effect of using all microwave radiating devices (WI-FI, cell phones). Iodine is antioxidant that eliminates effects of radiation, but is is used up in the process. If we weren't using such a devices, using only natural ocean salted water for cooking, and spending 2-3 hours in ocean/sea water, we wouldn't need high doses of iodine.
Iodine is not a supplement. It is essential nutritient for being a healthy human being. It is more important than eating any nut or fish for example.


I'm one of those people who had a very negative experience with mild doses of iodine. Muscle testing confirmed that I shouldn't touch that stuff with a 10 foot pole. Telling everyone that they should just up the dosage and everything will be fine is plainly irresponsible.

Low doses are often harmful. And every "test" which supplies with low dose probably will show "intolerance" among most people. And none human can be iodine intollerant since without iodine everybody would be dead.
C's said pathogens feed on enhanced energy when dose is too low to kill them, what is perfectly reasonable way of explaining why you shouldn't use "mild doses". Either one use below 1 mg of iodine daily, either above 50 mg. That's reasonable conclusion from many experiences. And even 50 mg dose may be well tolerated for a few days, and then become too low.
Irresponsible is making up some own theories, when there is a lot of data from others.
 

itellsya

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I originally thought along the same lines as you and others but after considering and reading Kenny's argument I did try to up the dosage as he suggested. Mind you I didn't have much of an averse reaction to Iodine to begin with but I was able to go up to 750mg and the only problem was not being able to keep it down(potential vomiting).

"Potential vomiting" sounds like a pretty concerning side effect.

I've described this on the Iodine thread, latest pages, and there are many other members who also tried going up to 100-300mg with good success. From what I've read of those who have tried upping the dosages (one even had a very bad reaction to low dosages but did well on higher) I've heard good results with higher dosages(100-300mg).

I'm not entirely sure yet since we still need more data but I think Kenny may be on to something with higher dosages being the key.

And it is because no one is entirely sure that we wouldn't recommend this experiment to everybody, particularly those who may be more susceptible or vulnerable, or even just those who are already benefiting from the low doses - which was what prompted this discussion in the first place.

You may experiment all you like and report back your experiences, but that doesn't mean you can go around recommending it to others, especially when you aren't entirely sure. Others may give it a go or they may not, i guess it will all depends on the kinds of improvements you see.


Look, here I quoted two comments when people reported problems with low doses, while higher dose was ok:

Low doses are often harmful. And every "test" which supplies with low dose probably will show "intolerance" among most people. And none human can be iodine intollerant since without iodine everybody would be dead.

C's said pathogens feed on enhanced energy when dose is too low to kill them, what is perfectly reasonable way of explaining why you shouldn't use "mild doses". Either one use below 1 mg of iodine daily, either above 50 mg. That's reasonable conclusion from many experiences. And even 50 mg dose may be well tolerated for a few days, and then become too low.
Irresponsible is making up some own theories, when there is a lot of data from others.

There's over 250 pages of reports from people benefiting from low doses (added: the vast majority, at least) which at the moment has more weight than those claiming megadoses are better, and these low doses are also the recommendations given by those who have written books about iodine, so one can conclude that they are not harmful for the majority. I haven't read the books and so those who have can chime in but i would guess that megadoses aren't the normal protocol; and these normal protocols have brought benefits to many.

To note, the C's also said:

Q: (Galatea) What about my dream about flying into outer space? What was the symbolic meaning of that?

A: Similar. After a rough adjustment period, the adequate intake of iodine should act similarly on all.

Q: (Joe) Should I start taking iodine again?

A: Carefully, yes.

Q: (Niall) Slowly, slowly. One drop.

(Joe) One drop?

A: Yes


Q: (L) Maybe one drop every other day for a while.

(Andromeda) Yeah, I would say so. See how it does.

(L) You may even want to try putting it on your skin. Alright Pierre, it's your turn.

It would appear that there are potential pitfalls to megadosing, which is why it is not a good idea to make these as recommendations to others; as Adaryn said it's irresponsible.

There may be benefits in megadosing for some people or for some conditions but, as of yet, what some of you are engaging in is an experiment, and no real conclusion have been made. Personally i will wait to hear from more experienced members who have read the literature before i take any risks.
 
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Andrew

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I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I was reminded of this same passage Persej. Made me wonder if these are the kinds of things some will start to experience in this "new reality to explore". What a reality that would be!

A: Not that simple... Picture driving to reach New Mexico by car and "skipping" over and arriving in San Diego instead, or... driving to the grocery store in Santa Fe, and winding up in Moscow, instead.

Q: (L) So, in other words, this is going to create a situation where people on the planet are going to become very confused and upset over this situation. (J) Yes, have you ever tried going shopping in Moscow? (T) They're going to draw a lot of people when they find out that happens! (L) And being forced to expand their perception and awareness because of the anomalous events!
 

nyseday

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It is nice to know that 'something' will prevent our bent species from going extinct, the quarantine might be lifted. And maybe expose the masters behind that have been pulling our strings.
 
"Potential vomiting" sounds like a pretty concerning side effect.

Everything taken too fast in great amount makes such a "side effect". Including water, salt, butter, or even sugar, that some people can consume most of the time.
Iodine is like acid - a bit corrosive. You have to care about your tissue and apply iodine adequtely to its chemical properties. 5g of Vitamine C also makes one want to vomit for a while. It is acid.
In case of Iodine, we have to remember to take it after fatty meal, or during it. To avoid "vomiting side effect" iodine can be mixed with full fat milk - iodine makes with milk fat so called iodolipides, that are perfectly neutral for stomach.

And it is because no one is entirely sure that we wouldn't recommend this experiment to everybody, particularly those who may be more susceptible or vulnerable, or even just those who are already benefiting from the low doses - which was what prompted this discussion in the first place.

You may experiment all you like and report back your experiences, but that doesn't mean you can go around recommending it to others, especially when you aren't entirely sure. Others may give it a go or they may not, i guess it will all depends on the kinds of improvements you see.

You don't need call it eperimenting, that's knowledge we have from times before some tribe earning money by poisoning sick people and calling it medicine took charge, you just have to read to get know this. I recommend Iodine and potassium Iodide thread, where I found almost all the knowledge I have


There's over 250 pages of reports from people benefiting from low doses (added: the vast majority, at least) which at the moment has more weight than those claiming megadoses are better, and these low doses are also the recommendations given by those who have written books about iodine, so one can conclude that they are not harmful for the majority. I haven't read the books and so those who have can chime in but i would guess that megadoses aren't the normal protocol; and these normal protocols have brought benefits to many.

You obviosly didn't read all the 250 pages carefully enough, because you would notice low dose problem too..


To note, the C's also said:

Yeah, but they also said, they cannot stand against the belief of others during session. Besides, low doses doesn't make problem every time. Some people may be afraid of going to greater doses, and be free of problems at low doses. But I'm not so informed as C's, so seems starting at 50 mg and then lowering in some cases seems much more safe, than starting slowly. And C's recommennded also doses above 150 mg. So we should base on experiences and reason too.

Personally i will wait to hear from more experienced members who have read the literature before i take any risks.

I'm waiting for such a voice for more than a year now. I think in the multum of other, often unnecessary supplements, people interested in it, lost knowledge about importance of iodine and its practically miraculous properties for human health and mental possibilities. Discovered by people in XIX century.
 

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I'm waiting for such a voice for more than a year now. I think in the multum of other, often unnecessary supplements, people interested in it, lost knowledge about importance of iodine and its practically miraculous properties for human health and mental possibilities. Discovered by people in XIX century.
I think your cup is full and it appears that no one on this forum can reach you unless they are of the same opinion than yours. You cherry pick information that fits your view and discard all other. You quote from the C's when it fits the argument and then ignore their advice when it doesn't suit you.

Here is a story that illustrates this dilemma:

THE JAPANESE MASTER NAN-IN GAVE AUDIENCE
TO A PROFESSOR OF PHILOSOPHY.
SERVING TEA, NAN-IN FILLED HIS VISITOR'S CUP,
AND KEPT POURING.
THE PROFESSOR WATCHED THE OVERFLOW
UNTIL HE COULD RESTRAIN HIMSELF NO LONGER:
STOP!
THE CUP IS OVERFULL, NO MORE WILL GO IN.
NAN-IN SAID:
LIKE THIS CUP,
YOU ARE FULL OF YOUR OWN OPINIONS AND SPECULATIONS.
HOW CAN I SHOW YOU ZEN
UNLESS YOU FIRST EMPTY YOUR CUP?

What you are doing is experimenting and it works for you. Fine. But claiming authority and dispensing with advice in a black and white manner is not something I or this forum supports. As has been said, it is irresponsible.
 

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I'm waiting for such a voice for more than a year now. I think in the multum of other, often unnecessary supplements, people interested in it, lost knowledge about importance of iodine and its practically miraculous properties for human health and mental possibilities.

Perhaps any further discussion we should take back to the thread on Iodine? I am one who can tolerate higher doses and recently have been using higher doses with good results so far after quite a long period of reduced usage.
 

Persej

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I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I was reminded of this same passage Persej. Made me wonder if these are the kinds of things some will start to experience in this "new reality to explore". What a reality that would be!

Yes. Well, according to the C's, such strange things already started happening on this planet:

(Joe) What caused the shutdown of the solar observatory in New Mexico last week?

A: Funny you should ask.

Q: (Joe) Bell Witch Part 2: The Return? [laughter]

A: Not that severe, but similar and due to similar causes: unsettled EM energies. Precursor waves.

Q: (L) So they had some kind of phenomenon there, and it freaked people out. It could have even manifested something like Mothman or something similar. And then people freaked out and they called in the FBI. God knows what.

(Scottie) Ask the question...

(Joe) Scottie wants details!

(Scottie) Well, just generally.

A: Human looking creatures and various electronic anomalies creating panic among the few in the know.

Q: (Pierre) The Cs said "precursor waves", so it means the main wave is coming?

(L) Precursor wave... I mean, they were talking about earthquakes.

(Pierre) Precursor is before something, announcing something...

(L) Right, and they were talking about...

(Niall) So this means more of this kind of thing might be coming.

(Pierre) Yeah, that's what I mean. And there was stuff in the sessions years ago about New Mexico going to 4th density first and curving roads looking like they are straight and vice versa.

A: Indeed, some of that was experienced.

Q: (L) And when they were seeing human looking creatures, what does that mean? Were they apparitions or creatures, or...?

(Artemis) What did they look like?

A: Visual and semi-solid manifestations of persons known to be elsewhere.

Q: (L) So like bilocation or something.

A: Similar.

Q: (L) So they were getting like time warp or density warp effects or something.

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) It wasn't really a window faller type of phenomenon.

(L) It was like a foretaste... a foretaste of glory divine!

[BREAK TIME!]

(Joe) We were just saying it's sort of like bleedthrough. If somebody in the solar observatory was talking to someone a thousand miles away, and then they were walking in the hallway just after and thinking about the person, they'd see the person - like a ghost. And the official story was that a janitor had child porn on his computer.

(L) And they evacuated a facility for that - for a WEEK!?!?

A: The story is as full of holes as the dimensional barrier!
 

lilies

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Last night I dreamed that I awoke in my bed, and was lying on the left side with my husband on the right (which is MY side). I said, hey what are you doing over there? He drowsily replied, I ALWAYS sleep over here. This confused me, so I lay there puzzling it out. All of a sudden, I thought to myself: I am in an alternate reality!! I started moving around, touching things, trying to find out more. Alas, my excitement woke me up, and there I was, in my "normal" spot on the right.
For some time now - frequently since a couple years, with the first time being about 15 years ago -, at nights, I'm waking up momentarily.. and being fully aware that I'm awake .. I frequently see - into an other reality. In the large center portion of my vision a hole appears in our reality.
It is sometimes at an angle of ~15 - 30 degrees from our normal, horizontal, straight world, from where I'm looking into it. As I'm looking at the reality-opening in the pitch-black darkness of my room - which darkness is frequently filled with a silver light backlighting = just like how I imagine a cat sees in the dark.. So this "TV-image"-feed coming through the opening from this other reality has a silver-faint-blue-color overlay, just like when you look at a sepia image, but this is in the described different color.

Peering into the room - I pondered maybe I'm seeing the distant past of our house or the future, [shrug] when different people lived there - I always felt being impolite peeking during these night-occasions. As an immediate reflex I felt guilty of peeking into other people's lives & reality, because it was clear that someone had that room entirely differently organized with furniture & the usual ornaments & all look different and I didn't want to be noticed by the owners there as a spectator, glaring into their intimate lives. Even if I saw no one appearing yet on these 'other-reality TV feeds'. But I was always uneasy thinking the owners are near and the fact that I didn't see someone through the opening was, just because I always quickly snapped my mind back, re-orienting my attention to the real-world, ours.

As Castaneda and Gurdjieff explained, snapping back attention into our 'real-space'. This mental effort instantly closes the reality-hole / switches off the TV-feed and I see my normal, "real-space room" in this world of ours always in full clear "cat vision" - all in the pitch black darkness at night .. a visual input that a normal human eye should perceive as a black sheet of "nothing".

Couple days ago I decided that I won't pull back my attention next time and I will continue to visually investigate this other reality through the "realm-hole" opening.
 
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lilies

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I was in shock.. Last week I was helping my neighbour moving out, cleaning my cellar and moving heavy stuff! Now I can hardly lift my cup of coffee.
Seems my old red bloodcells cannot be replaced in time, and this makes my heart race like crazy. Personally a rather "chilling" expierience.
Watch your carbs intake. Do carb-fasting days, where you only eat ketogenic-appropriate and observe the change. I have a premonition of a similar outcome, just as you described. In my case I see neural damage [in my future] from the large amounts of carbs I have eaten and as a well-deserved fate, there my body refuses to move. The sensation of this premonition is like securing a strong magnet into a wooden plank and taking an other strong magnet in my hand and moving it a little bit close to the secured magnet and feeling the pull of the force-field. IIRC, esoteric writers discussed our path of life is moving along a revolving spiral and these spiral paths are close to each other. I think a disastrous event, like you described, has something like a strong "magnetic force-field" and we can sense the outcome when we move closer and closer to it on our closely revoling, spiraling path of life.
 
Thank you to Laura and the crew for another mind-expanding session with the Cs. Always feels like Christmas when I see a new one posted. I, like Gaby and some others, was struck by the word "chills" in the Cs parting words:

A: Now, we would like to say something of interest to all: Soon things in your realm will become very chaotic and strange. It will give chills to many. Be not alarmed! It will pass and there will be a new reality to explore. Cosmic forces will be displayed and there will be many searching for answers. Be prepared to give the help that is needed. Be together in love and peace. Goodbye.

I remember "chills" being a repeated phrase in the transcripts at times. The first one that caught my eye was from Session 10 December 2016:
Q: (L) Are they doing that to try to salvage what they can from the situation in Syria because it looks like Russia is pretty much doing a mop-up operation? Is it that trying to salvage their terrorist army?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And Lavrov of course says that what they're doing is not going to make any difference. I kind of got the feeling that what he was saying was, "You can give them all the weapons you want, but we're gonna wipe them out!"

(Pierre) It's too little, too late.

(L) Yeah. I mean, what is WRONG with these people?

A: They are driven by a lust for money which equals power in your world. Plus the drivers of 4D STS agency to establish total control before changes of a cosmic nature.

Q: (L) Obviously the idea of all that money is dangled in front of them and that gets them to do part of what they do, but it's just freaking crazy! I never imagined I would see something like what's going on nowadays! The level of the lies they tell... And almost everybody knows they're lying! But they say it anyway as though saying it can make it true. It's crazy!

(Pierre) Wishful thinking.

(L) So, what's the ultimate outcome?

A: We have discussed this in the past.

Q: (L) So they want war with Iran. They want to take over Iran?

A: Just hang on and observe what happens in the next 40 or so days. It will give you chills up your spine.

Q: (Joe) Why do you think Iran?

(L) Well, Israel wants Iran. Israel wants to destroy Iran and institute their god knows what... I dunno what they want!

(Joe) I think Iran's off the table at this point.

(L) But some of them are trying to put it back. Even Trump. The thing was that years ago, we asked what was going to be the ultimate outcome, and they said the destruction of Israel. All of this manipulating and maneuvering that Israel is doing, they will only end up destroying themselves.

(Joe) Iran is... With Russia's intervention, they couldn't even get close to what they wanted in Syria with 26 million people. Iran is like 80 million people and much more powerful.

(L) Yeah, but that doesn't stop them from wanting it. I think they figured if they could get Syria, then they could go for Iran.

(Joe) But they haven't gotten Syria.

(L) Yeah, but they still think they're gonna get it! That's why Obama is sending these 200 people, Turkey is sending these 300 people, they've released funds and ammunition...

(Andromeda) They’re cra-cra!

(PoB) They want to question the nuclear treaty with Iran.

(L) It's just insane. So... Alright.

(Andromeda) 40 days??

(Chu) That coincides with Trump actually getting into power.

(Data) It also coincides with the "after Christmas" remark they once said.

It is "after Christmas" and all this is happening with Iran. Does make me think, worry. Other people's thoughts?

The second instance I found "chills" in the transcripts was from Session 3 December 1994. It is that "famous" "long message to follow:"
More California seismic activity after 1st of year: San Diego, San Bernardino, North Bakersfield, Barstow: all are fracture points. Hollister, Palo Alto, Imperial, Ukiah, Eureka, Point Mendocino, Monterrey, Offshore San Luis Obispo, Capistrano, Carmel: these are all stress points of fracture in sequence. "Time" is indefinite. Expect gradual destruction of California economy as people begin mass exodus. Also, Shasta erupts; Lassen activity. Ocean floor begins to subside. Leave channel open and pause: Queen Elizabeth serious illness; blood related. Princess Diana suicide attempt. Gas explosions this winter in NE United States, Texas and other. Supernova and unusual weather all over. Memphis feels tremors. Minneapolis banking scandal relates to mysterious Nordic covenant. Evangelical sexual tryst exposed. Gold is discovered in California after one of the quakes. UFOs dramatic increase and Gulf Breeze gets swarmed, becomes massive "Mecca". Laura sees much more UFO activity. Huge wave of UFO activity. All manner and origins. Just you wait, it will give you chills and that feeling in the pit of your stomach. Many aliens will appear and we will be visible too. Think of it as a convention. All must awaken to this. It is happening right now. The whole populace will play individual roles according to their individual frequencies. This is only the beginning. Just you wait "Henry Higgins," just you wait!

And this from 25 March 2017:
Q: (L) Okay, there is something I want to ask. You made the remark last session about 40 days between then and Trump's inauguration, including that we should expect shocking things or stuff that would give us chills up our spine. Rock and roll, and so forth... A number of people have complained that there was nothing so dramatically shocking.

(Galatea) Yeah, you guys are all talk and no show! [laughter]

(L) Well, I find that to be a little bit naive because there were some extremely shocking things. For me, the most shocking thing was for the intelligence services to come right out and DIRECTLY, in PUBLIC, frontally attack a president-elect before his inauguration with that dodgy dossier about the Russian hotel. I mean, those things are like evidence of something very deep and very ugly that is now emerging into plain view: the evil that has stayed in the shadows doesn’t fear exposure anymore. THAT gave me chills! It's like there is open warfare in the halls of the psychopaths and they don’t care who sees it or knows it because they are convinced that the programming of the public is complete.

A: Yes. Implications are serious and dramatic beyond what is immediately apparent. From our perspective, the import is indeed chilling. Watch how it all plays out. The irresistible force has met the immovable object. Who is more clever?

Q: (Pierre) So it means Trump hasn't lost his war against the deep state yet.

(L) I think he must be stepping back and rethinking. He thought it was gonna be easier, and now he's rethinking because they've got him stymied. And I don't think he likes to lose.

(Pierre) And also saying between the lines that he's not this dumb. He might end up being more clever relative to the deep state.

(L) It's gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out. But that was absolutely unprecedented behavior.

(Pierre) He seems so lost to me. He looks almost alone in his face. People in his own party, in the CIA, in the media are all against him. He seems almost alone fighting this gigantic battle.

(Chu) Just him getting elected was chilling enough. And the speech he gave... there hadn't been a speech like that since Kennedy.

(L) Yeah, I mean he basically threw down the gauntlet in his inaugural speech. Let's see what happens. It's gonna be interesting. N

Makes me wonder if Trump is actually trying to avoid all out war with Iran as Joe said in his last SOTT article:
 
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