Session 28 November 2009

Mayb

Jedi
Thanks for the session.
I am fighting against my anticipation from the first moment I was reading the Wave series. It is hard to not anticipate . Every decision I make is on some way connected with possible future. So I do anticipate . Not same result every time , but I am thinking about it when I do EE, when I make plans , when I discuss.
Can somebody gives some suggestion how to avoid it. I do understand the teory , but somehow, I feel time to time that overflow me.
 

Turgon

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Thank you for this new session, very interesting read!

Q: (L) Well, there's still a whole heck of a lot of work to do. So maybe I should ask a few questions about my ideas about how to go about propagating what needs to be propagated. My thought is that we need to train people to teach the breathing and meditation program.

A: Yes

Q: (L) And that this should be done as a secular stress-reduction, emotional cleansing program without any particular emphasis on PaleoChristianity or any religion whatsoever except acceptance of a divine part to the individual.

A: Yes

I have a question though, what if people ask where the EE Breathing Program came from, its origins? I understand the idea that Laura stumbled upon this method, which is ancient in origin, and there was feedback and as such with QFS and the C's in a few past sessions, but I was questioned about it, where it came from, and I explained the process to a person I know, and they said it sounds like it was stolen from yoga breathing exercises. I told them to give me an example, describe the process of Yoga breathing, they couldn't, but I was still at a loss for words, because I honestly couldn't answer the question as to its origins - other than to bring up the cass forum, which would mean getting into the whole idea of multiple densities, etc, which I could tell would not be the ideal topic to bring up with this person.

Realistically, they probably weren't the ideal person who would actually seriously consider doing the EE program (But they brought it up with me) But I wasn't too keen on the fact I couldn't properly explain it.

A: Not necessary when the personality is so fragmented.

Q: (L) Alright then. Is there anything that we could do?

A: Perhaps if you could share the technique that you used to achieve emotional cleansing, a lot of people would benefit including the two individuals in question.

Q: (L) What technique is that?

A: Remember an entire night of cleansing tears?!

Q: (L) Yeah. Well, that was just a meditation technique I developed. I would breathe a certain way and repeat certain things in my mind as I breathed, and I did it every night. Strange things started happening.

A: Strange indeed! You stumbled instinctively on an ancient method that is unsurpassed in its efficacy. So why not share?

Q: (Joe) Spill the beans, Laura! (L) Well I just never thought it was anything particularly special - it just worked for me! I mean how does something like that compare to this Art of Living Kriya thing?

A: AoL is for beginners and robots!

Q: (laughter) (L) Well then why were you so enthusiastic when Craig proposed teaching us? I mean, he asked if he should teach us, and you said yes with seven exclamation points!

A: Got you to do it and jump started your thinking didn't we?!

Q: (L) So the point wasn't that this method was "the best" or the only one or so great. It was to draw our attention to the idea of breathing, or control of breath, as a means of effecting emotional healing. Is that it?

A: Absolutely!X7

Q: (laughter) (L) Shorthand. Um...

A: Remember that your method employed a powerful "seed".

Q: (DD) Seed? (L) Yeah, that's a reference to meditating with or without seed. (Joe) What was the seed? (L) Phrases that I used in my mind. (Allen) Were those phrases particular to you though, like something that someone has to come up with for themselves? (L) Well, I dunno, were those phrases particular for me?

A: They were super powerful!

Q: (C) Where they like prayers? (L) Yeah, and it's really funny because I started out using the Lord's Prayer. Then I decided that I wasn't happy with it because it wasn't open enough. It had associations with specific religious things, and so I rewrote it. I'll have to... It was something like... (DD) Did you use those words as a template? (L) Yeah. (Joe) I used to say a Lord's Prayer that was modified. At night, like a mantra, I used to just go over and over... (L) Did you do it in concert with breathing? (Joe) Not consciously. (L) Yeah, well you see, I did. It was very deliberate controlled breathing. I did this every night for months. (DD) How were you breathing? (L) Very similar to what Craig teaches, what they call this Victory Breath. (Joe) Was it both in and out through the nose? (L) In through the nose, out through the mouth. (Joe) Because I thought Victory Breath was weird when we did the course since it was all through the nose. (A**) Yeah, that's what was missing. (L) Yeah, I did it in through the nose, out through the mouth. It was in and count, hold and count, out and count. And it was very controlled... it was very similar to what they call this Ujjai breath, or Victory Breath. That was kind of familiar to me, because I'd done that for years. (C) And while you were doing it, you were saying... (L) I was repeating these phrases, and each phrase was created so that the in or out breath fit the phrase exactly. So for the first phrase, I would breathe in, and then out for the second phrase, etc. And my objective was to do it twenty times. I don't think I ever did it twenty times, because I would get to about ten or twelve, and then I would just leave the body or something, just zone. And after a certain number of times of doing that, then I had this... I dunno, I came back to myself with this... I dunno whether I want to call it a kundalini experience or not, but I felt there was this tremendous cleansing event that went on for hours and hours and hours. I've described it before. Something happened. But anyway, that was the story. So I found that to be very effective. I dunno what to ask now. (Joe) Is what you just described the idea?

A: Yes and another excellent technique though for other purposes is what you call "power breathing".

Q: (L) Oh, my Power Breathing. (C) What is that? (L) For me, that's just energizing. The fast pace on the treadmill accompanied by a very particular kind and pace of breathing. This is the one that it's not the head, it's matched to the body. The one is like intellect and heart, and Power Breathing is like moving center and heart... You let the movement of your body take you where you need to go.

A: Remember what that technique did?

Q: (L) Oh yeah! (Joe) What did it do? Did you fly? Superpowers? (A**) That was the past life thing, wasn't it? (L) Yeah, I went into a past life memory in the gym. (Joe) Where, here? (L) No, in Florida. Geez... But I guess if people do that, they need to have somebody there. So, there are a couple of ways to tap into these emotional issues that you're talking about that are actually somewhat different from this Art of Living thing?

A: Yes and probably more effective if utilized faithfully. AoL is like the "Diet Coke" of breathing techniques... Just one calorie.

A: The main thing people need right now is to be cleansed of emotional blockages and programs not to mention karmic burdens.

Q: (L) Okay, so these two techniques that I've always used are useful for private meditation, and this Kriya is useful for group activities. I don't understand in what order this should come. You're saying that people should work for a time on their emotional issues privately, and then come together as groups and do something similar to the Sudarshan Kriya?

A: More or less though beware that the so called Sudarshan Kriya is just a variation on an ancient technique.

Q: (L) Okay. Is the ancient version of it better?

A: Yes

Q: (L) And how would it be modified for the ancient version to be revived?

A: The proper words should be spoken during the breathing. Joe, what is the Irish for life?

Q: (Joe) Eh... Beatha? {Pronounced something like "Bah Hah"}

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) That's it. B-E-A-T-H-A. That may not be the original spelling.

A: Ba in Ha out.

Q: (C) And it's pronounced "baha"? (laughter and discussion of Kriya with "ba-ha" instead of "so-hum")

A: Try it!

Q: (Ark) But what about these phrases that we were talking about before. Should they just be repeated with empty mind, or with trying to feel their meaning?

A: Focus on the meaning.

Q: (L) Okay, so we've got... (Joe) That's kind of hard to do, breathe and speak the phrase at the same time... (L) Oh, well he's talking about the other exercise that I did. Okay, so you've got "beatha", life. Breathing in life, and out life. Is there any other adjustment to be made?

A: You don't really need the super-fast breathing. That is just to produce chemicals and make the person experience an artificial high.

Q: (L) So you're just suggesting the long slow breaths, and the mediums breaths, and slightly fast, but not super-fast. Is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (A**) Is it best to do this guided with the tape or somebody saying the actual words, or just say them in your head?

A: Yes, it should be guided. Also the words of the meditation are very effective in the quiet time at the end.

Q: (L) So you do this round breathing, or this circular breathing, basically according to the Kriya instructions, only you pronounce this word during the breathing. Then at the end, you read out this words from my deep meditation. Is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay. And are the numbers of repetitions that are given in the instructions alright?

A: Close enough though we would prefer multiples of 30.
 

Won8d

The Force is Strong With This One
Thank you for the post! It seems that everything is on track! I need get more focused and do the breathing program as well. I really enjoyed reading!
And thanks again for posting!
 

bjorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
[quote author=Bohort]It is about the end of the year... only 33 days before 2010.[/quote]

Haha, LOL. I guess I am thinking to deep.
 

RedFox

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Thanks you for a truly uplifting and joyful session! :) :flowers:

Meri said:
Thanks for the session.
I am fighting against my anticipation from the first moment I was reading the Wave series. It is hard to not anticipate . Every decision I make is on some way connected with possible future. So I do anticipate . Not same result every time , but I am thinking about it when I do EE, when I make plans , when I discuss.
Can somebody gives some suggestion how to avoid it. I do understand the teory , but somehow, I feel time to time that overflow me.

For me I have been learning a lot about non-identification/not attaching myself to things/thoughts/feelings/beliefs recently (which I should sit and write about in another thread I think).
What seems key is identifying things (thoughts/emotions/beliefs) that you spend time and energy focusing/fixated on.....that are a waste/drain on your internal resources. To give energy to it is a waste/entropic.
It achieves nothing focusing your time/energy upon them, other than deplete your time/energy.

I think anticipation would fall into the same category of ultimately wasting energy/time. So the internal battle/choice becomes, when you notice you are giving your self/your energy/your time to thoughts that are wasteful....be it anticipating (fixating on) an outcome (with no conscious practical goal in mind) or something else (i.e. feeling sorry for yourself)....it then becomes up to you to choose in what ever way you can to Not give your self/your time/your energy to that activity. To break the cycle of internal energy draining. And to do so gently on yourself.

So learn to observe and identify your current internal mental/emotional processes as best you can....and if you catch yourself anticipating (one characteristic of 'identifying' with/fixating on something is usually an emotional investment), try and stop and take a mental step back and ask yourself 'Do I really want to put my energy into this??'

Learning to DO seems to be as much about learning about how we constantly do things mechanically (internally and externally) that reflect entropy (Non-DOing), as well as practicing DOing in small ways.
So to summarise my current work in progress understanding.....anticipation is just one behaviour of many that reflect Non-DOing/entropy. Non-anticipation (like non-attachment/non-identification) is a reflection of DOing/creativity....or it at least frees up (by not giving it to entropy) potential energy for DOing/creating.

fwiw :)
 

Avi

Jedi Council Member
"A: Partly gravitational and partly observational in the sense that observation can enhance or cancel gravity. The power of mind and anticipation, take a lesson!"

When I was quite young I had a realization to this effect, though not in so many words. This single sentence seems loaded with learning!

Thanks for posting (and doing) the sessions!

With kind regards,

~Avi
 

aragorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Thank you.

Reading the posts on the 'Describe your usual day' thread made me realize how many of us have so little time to do any serious reading. And today I was just thinking about how wonderful it would be to have e.g. The Wave series as an audio book (read by my favorite reading voice Patrick Stewart). And then in the evening I read this session where Ark was also thinking about producing audio books - maybe I picked up your thoughts! ;)

But seriously, it would be great to have some of the 'Recommended readings' as audio books (maybe some of them have this format already?); and when you have that drive to work or doing the dishes or making supper you could just listen and get up to speed this way.

Interesting also to read the comments about the flu. We also had some strange flu going on in our family for over two weeks that didn't feel anything like the previous we've had. It never quite "broke through" but we where having these on and off going symptoms e.g. dizziness, dryness and muscular tension in the throat and 'brain fog'. It most probably was the swine flu, not lethal but quite annoying!

I've had some serious "mental cleansing" going on the last month or so - ever since I started doing the EE-round breathing through the nose I guess!!! I'm hoping that I'll reach "the other side" and stability soon and can help in some suitable way with the valuable work you guys are doing. Right now I'm feeling too fragile to do anything "useful". :(
 

Laura

Administrator
Administrator
Moderator
FOTCM Member
Gertrudes said:
slowone said:
I'm just wondering with the teaching of EE about insurance for the teacher. Will you need it for the meditation and breathing? I have to have it to teach Yoga and a current first aid certificate or my insurance is invalid. I am insured through the body I trained with.

Just a thought.

I would be interested to know this as well. I also have an insurance for my teaching practice which, similar to slowone, is in the field of physical activity. Not sure whether it would be applicable to the practice of EE though, that is, in case insurance is needed.

Also, would it be at all wise further on for members teaching EE living within the same location, to meet for a building of group EE practice/teaching?

This is a good question. I've sent an email to a member who used to work in insurance and still has contacts she can ask about this sort of thing. I'll get back with the answer when I get it.

Obviously, insurance is something we want to have and that will be an expense FOTCM will have to bear for all its teachers. Hopefully, we'll have enough funds to cover it at the beginning!
 

Laura

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Administrator
Moderator
FOTCM Member
DanielS said:
I have a question though, what if people ask where the EE Breathing Program came from, its origins? I understand the idea that Laura stumbled upon this method, which is ancient in origin, and there was feedback and as such with QFS and the C's in a few past sessions, but I was questioned about it, where it came from, and I explained the process to a person I know, and they said it sounds like it was stolen from yoga breathing exercises. I told them to give me an example, describe the process of Yoga breathing, they couldn't, but I was still at a loss for words, because I honestly couldn't answer the question as to its origins - other than to bring up the cass forum, which would mean getting into the whole idea of multiple densities, etc, which I could tell would not be the ideal topic to bring up with this person.

Realistically, they probably weren't the ideal person who would actually seriously consider doing the EE program (But they brought it up with me) But I wasn't too keen on the fact I couldn't properly explain it.

The new DVD that is being edited as we speak takes care of all that. It also teaches the pipe breathing much more effectively AND gives an explanation of why our program IS different from other programs though, yes indeed, they have many similarities. It's the small tweaks that are the difference that makes the difference.
 

jordifs

Jedi
Laura said:
Session Date: November 28th 2009

(G***) How long do we have to detox heavy metals?

A: About a year, gently.

I understand that detox is very important. Nonetheless I do not fully grasp the comments that we have a year for doing it.
¿Is there any time limit? ¿How severe this toxicity may affect oneself in one year?
¿Is there any post I missed to understand this?

Thanks in advance,
Jordi
 

alphonse

Jedi Master
Thank you for this optimistic and positive session.
It is funny though, because I said to my wife just recently, how it would be great to have more of the material in Audio book format, and how if needed,
I would be willing to help in some way , and then the suggestion pops up in a session!
thanks again,
al
 

Laura

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Moderator
FOTCM Member
jordifs said:
Laura said:
Session Date: November 28th 2009

(G***) How long do we have to detox heavy metals?

A: About a year, gently.

I understand that detox is very important. Nonetheless I do not fully grasp the comments that we have a year for doing it.
¿Is there any time limit? ¿How severe this toxicity may affect oneself in one year?
¿Is there any post I missed to understand this?

Thanks in advance,
Jordi

I should have smoothed out the English on this. The question was asked by a non-native-English speaker and her question meant: "how long does it take, on average, to detox heavy metals" - and she had a specific protocol in mind: DMSA.
 

Rabelais

Dagobah Resident
FOTCM Member
bjorn said:
[quote author=Puck]to continue with the diet/EE program.

Yeah I better start eating more healthy. Have a lot to read about this one. I really want to learn to make pizza’s, I hope it’s a combination which is possible.
[/quote]

Mmm... pizza. Praise cheeses :)

If you are going to do the diet, you will probably be parting company with dairy and that includes mozzarella. I still cling to the occasional craving for a pizza... and maybe a slice of cheese on my burger (gluten free bun, of course).
I recently found, at the health food store, frozen, gluten free pizza dough. Now if I could find a dairy and soy free cheese...

I resisted for a while acknowledging that dairy might be a problem for me, but after a month without it I can really feel a difference. It also drove home the fact that Paleo Christianity is an all in commitment. The breathing, meditation and detox dietary changes seem to work together in a synergistic manner. I have a feeling that it all needs to be done simultaneously to arrive at the desired result, or at least that is possibly the quickest way to get "clean".

Great session guys. Thanks.
 

Mayb

Jedi
RedFox said:
What seems key is identifying things (thoughts/emotions/beliefs) that you spend time and energy focusing/fixated on.....that are a waste/drain on your internal resources. To give energy to it is a waste/entropic.
It achieves nothing focusing your time/energy upon them, other than deplete your time/energy.

Thanks RedFox, it does, indeed drain a lot of energy.
 

Smallwood

Jedi Master
Thanks for the session! "Nice" to hear some further insight from C's on the soul-smashing phenomena (if it can be called that). Just another more reason to take practising EE VERY seriously!

Unfortunately there are a couple of things that would prevent me from becoming a minister/member of FOTCM. But I'm sure there are always other ways to be helping you people and perhaps working with you once I am at that stage of my personal development when it is mutually helpful and possible? I'm afraid I am a bit of a tar baby, it could be a predator induced impression but I don't want to find that out in a wrong way.

Interesting session when it comes to discussion about anticipation too. I've noted something like that in my own experience.
 
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