Session 28 November 2009

[Sonrisa]

from Laura on 12-09-09, quoting G:

"How could it be otherwise?" asked G. "Imagine that there are two or three people who are awake in the midst of a multitude of sleeping people. They will certainly know each other. But those who are asleep cannot know them. How many are they? We do not know and we cannot know until we become like them. It has been clearly said before that each man can only see on the level of his own being. But two hundred conscious people, if they existed and if they found it necessary and legitimate, could change the whole of life on the earth. But either there are not enough of them, or they do not want to, or perhaps the time has not yet come, or perhaps other people are sleeping too soundly.

I'm really hoping that the FOTCM is the "two hundred conscious people" (or more!) that can change the whole of life on Earth! And that the time has now come!

 

[Jacques]

I've been detoxing for about 15 months now and only last month did I begin the process of having my mercury fillings removed. I knew I needed to feel better all over in general before I took the risk of stirring that mess up. In fact, I had the second one removed this morning and will go in Friday to have the porcelain molded one installed. Next week I'll have two appointments and do another. I've got appointments scheduled into February just to get this job done. At the end, I'll have to detox all the novocaine!

I went to the dentist yesterday and i told her that i wanted that my mercury fillings be removed. She told me that it is going to take up to 18 months to remove them because i have quite a lot (around 16).

She told me that she is going to remove a couple of them each three months and see how my body is going to react. She is going to follow the holistic protocol for that since she is a holistic dentist.

 

[Mikey]

I went to the dentist yesterday and i told her that i wanted that my mercury fillings be removed. She told me that it is going to take up to 18 months to remove them because i have quite a lot (around 16).

She told me that she is going to remove a couple of them each three months and see how my body is going to react. She is going to follow the holistic protocol for that since she is a holistic dentist.

Make sure your dentist uses a Dental dam, so that you don't swallow mercury debris, and mercury isn't reabsorbed by your oral cavity! Ideally, the dentist sucks the drilling debris, air and water away from your face and out of the room!

You can find some hints for detoxification in this thread: Detoxification: Heavy Metals, Mercury and how to get rid of them

 

[Jacques]

I went to the dentist yesterday and i told her that i wanted that my mercury fillings be removed. She told me that it is going to take up to 18 months to remove them because i have quite a lot (around 16).

She told me that she is going to remove a couple of them each three months and see how my body is going to react. She is going to follow the holistic protocol for that since she is a holistic dentist.

Make sure your dentist uses a Dental dam, so that you don't swallow mercury debris, and mercury isn't reabsorbed by your oral cavity! Ideally, the dentist sucks the drilling debris, air and water away from your face and out of the room!

You can find some hints for detoxification in this thread: Detoxification: Heavy Metals, Mercury and how to get rid of them

Yes, my dentist is using dental dam and before she begins to take out the mercury fillings, she puts in each nostril a small tube which is linked to a bottle of oxygen. Doing so, it reduces the possibility to breathe the mercury's vapor.

Thanks for the links

 

[Buddy]

from Laura on 12-09-09, quoting G:

"How could it be otherwise?" asked G. "Imagine that there are two or three people who are awake in the midst of a multitude of sleeping people. They will certainly know each other. But those who are asleep cannot know them. How many are they? We do not know and we cannot know until we become like them. It has been clearly said before that each man can only see on the level of his own being. But two hundred conscious people, if they existed and if they found it necessary and legitimate, could change the whole of life on the earth. But either there are not enough of them, or they do not want to, or perhaps the time has not yet come, or perhaps other people are sleeping too soundly.

I'm really hoping that the FOTCM is the "two hundred conscious people" (or more!) that can change the whole of life on Earth! And that the time has now come!

I'm hoping so too. I have come to believe that G drops clues here and there for people to pick up on if they can, in order to climb that ladder to higher consciousness.

The part I bolded above is a clue. Can you see that G covered ALL the possibilities? I think gaining the ability to survey a problem area until you see all the elements in all their possible relationships is a way to go. I have not achieved this, but I'm catching glimpses.

Studying the Prisoner's Dilemma in the game theory scenario from "The Trap" as mentioned in the Creating a New World thread might help also.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thinking there we see why it is that a shaman/seer or whatever, will recognize their own and will 'know' when there are an effective number of people. If there are two prisoners and each one knows the other and knows that each of them has a full understanding of 'the trap' and the solution that will let them both walk away free, then each will be able to trust the other to make the correct decision, at the proper time, given the 'ultimatums' involved, thus evading 'punishment.'

If the two prisoners can only see on the level of their own being, or only one of them can see something higher, then they are both going to suffer as various ways of suffering are all that exists below that optimum choice.

The key for me, I believe, is to continue studying and doing the EE emotional cleansing, because it's the paranoia, fears, and other limiting emotions that are keeping our conceptual fields too narrow to see the way out.

These are just my thoughts, fwiw, and I could be off.

 

[Laura]

The key for me, I believe, is to continue studying and doing the EE emotional cleansing, because it's the paranoia, fears, and other limiting emotions that are keeping our conceptual fields too narrow to see the way out.

These are just my thoughts, fwiw, and I could be off.

You are NOT way off. You have just pinpointed the key: "it's the paranoia, fears, and other limiting emotions that are keeping our conceptual fields too narrow to see the way out."

Getting free of that is not necessarily easy, but there IS a formula to follow thanks to the Cs! And we DO see it working, day by day, little by little. I have the feeling that it is one of those non-linear things, too, that when a certain number of people get to a certain stage in the process, they will all begin to accelerate the process AND it will help those following behind. It's like we are creating a possibility, imprinting the frequency of it in some kind of field around the planet, and giving it energy. In short, working on yourself in THIS way - getting free of your programs/buffers/predator's mind - is literally helping others in a direct and dynamic way that it is not possible for us to understand at this level. And that may be exactly what Gurdjieff meant about the small group becoming conscious and acting as attractors. It may have to start very small, two people, then five, then 15, then 100... and so on.

It really is exciting when you think about it that way.

 

[Ollie]

The key for me, I believe, is to continue studying and doing the EE emotional cleansing, because it's the paranoia, fears, and other limiting emotions that are keeping our conceptual fields too narrow to see the way out.

These are just my thoughts, fwiw, and I could be off.

You are NOT way off. You have just pinpointed the key: "it's the paranoia, fears, and other limiting emotions that are keeping our conceptual fields too narrow to see the way out."

Getting free of that is not necessarily easy, but there IS a formula to follow thanks to the Cs! And we DO see it working, day by day, little by little. [...]

I can concur with the above, since starting the Breathing-Meditation programme, I have stopped using my previous, main, technique (a modified Time Line Therapy process aided by my Higher Self) for clearing limiting beliefs, having recognised at some level the power of the Breathing-Meditation process. I strongly recommend that everyone persevere with this programme of clearing, whether doing it fully or in some recommended reduced format (see thread on the E-E breathing program for further details).

 

[SeekinTruth]

The key for me, I believe, is to continue studying and doing the EE emotional cleansing, because it's the paranoia, fears, and other limiting emotions that are keeping our conceptual fields too narrow to see the way out.

Getting free of that is not necessarily easy, but there IS a formula to follow thanks to the Cs! And we DO see it working, day by day, little by little. I have the feeling that it is one of those non-linear things, too, that when a certain number of people get to a certain stage in the process, they will all begin to accelerate the process AND it will help those following behind. It's like we are creating a possibility, imprinting the frequency of it in some kind of field around the planet, and giving it energy. In short, working on yourself in THIS way - getting free of your programs/buffers/predator's mind - is literally helping others in a direct and dynamic way that it is not possible for us to understand at this level. And that may be exactly what Gurdjieff meant about the small group becoming conscious and acting as attractors. It may have to start very small, two people, then five, then 15, then 100... and so on.

It really is exciting when you think about it that way.

Thanks for your helpful and inspiring insights, Buddy and Laura! These ideas have been swirling around in the back of my mind for a while and it helped to see them articulated so well. It really IS exciting when thought about this way!!

 

[Saman]

Session Date: November 28th 2009

Laura, Ark, A***, Joe, L*****, C******, Allen, I**, P*****, C**, Scottie, G***

[...]
A: The wave is coming, you are teaching people to surf it instead of being dragged under and out to stormy seas.

Q: (L) You once said that the wave was something like "hyperkinetic sensate". And I've often wondered if that means that it's something that massively amplifies whatever is inside an individual? And if that were the case and they were full of a lot of unpleasant, painful, miserable feelings, repressed and suppressed thoughts and so forth, and something that was hyperkinetic sensate amplified all of that, what would it do to that individual? I mean, can you imagine any of us in our worst state of feeling yucky and then having that amplified a bazillion times? If it was bad stuff inside you, you would implode!

A: Soul smashing!

Q: (L) So it is really important for people to go through this process of cleansing to prepare themselves for that?

A: Yes, then they will "rise up with wings as eagles"!

Q: (L) So even people who - or maybe particularly people who - engage in a great deal of what Lobaczewski called "selection and substitution", there is some part of their rational mind that knows what the truth is, but because it's not acceptable to their peer group, or their social milieu, or their background and upbringing to accept that truth, they repress and suppress it and explain things to themselves in other ways. But they still know the truth. What would it be like if you have all of this suppressed, twisted truth locked up inside you that you never allowed yourself to look at and acknowledge?

(Ark) But you see this is not a separate phenomenon because when there is this amplification, there are these fears that you said, they will also explode. So the individual will be able to... the little devil will become the big devil, so it will be easier to choose, because, you know, choices will be amplified. It's not just little dark here, little this there - it's hard to choose - but they will have to decide this time where to go, and the decision will be...

(L) Extremely painful.

(Ark) It will be painful, but on the other hand, it will be clear.
[...]

I just thought I'd share something that I am reading that made me think of this session excerpt above. It is from a book called/translated as "I Cyrus Lord of The Light" by Sayed Ali Salehi, which was suggested and given to me by an acquaintance today. I don't favor the title of the book since Cyrus is claiming he is the "Lord" of the Light, but hey, he was actually a King way back then so I guess calling himself a "Lord" of something is not too self important in that context, well sort of. Anyways, this is the excerpt from page 38 of the English section/side of the book:

"I have trained myself in the psalms of knowledge
I have got advice from the old
I am satisfied with my present
and I won't be hopeless about the future

no defeat has feared me
and no success has made me proud
because both of them pass in the passing world

flying like an eagle for a while
is better than living as a hen for a millennium

some love to die in a battle field
some love everlasting sleep at home

you are free to chose your last song
one who doesn't know the naked winter
will never find out the glory of the Ordibehesht"

Note: Ordibehesht is footnoted to refer to as May - so in other words spring.

Since Cyrus was a Zoroastrian, an ancient religion which may had some lost forgotten "ancient" truths of the "ancestors" within it, then maybe he knew something about the notion of riding the wave "as eagles" due to his training of the "psalms of knowledge" and the "advice from the old"?

Anyways, I just thought to share a possibly interesting speculation.

 

[bjorb]

About detoxing:

At mine understanding Fluoride isn't a real 'care taker' for your body. Considering it's highly comprised into toothpaste, I bought some without that, named Paradontax. It's Fluoride free.

Just if someone is interested. I searched quite long for toothpaste without fluoride. But it's just available at the supermarkets of Alberthein. I am not sure this supermarket branch extends further than The Netherlands. But maybe it does.

- As for the threads about Diet and Health they helped me greatly in understanding this issue, thanks for that.

BTW: What I found remarkable is that most food like most sweets and chocolate always caused some pain in my stomach. Still it didn't stop me from eating those. Let's say, the end justify the means.
I guess I was somehow addicted. Being it emotional food does explain it well I think. Anyway when your body is trying to tell you something. Which in my case was the pain in my stomach. You better listen. Lesson learned I suppose.

 

[Avi]

hi Keit,

That is an interesting, and disturbing story!

I took notice when reading this for a few months ago I had a dream very similar to the story given.

Let me start by saying that this dream is the most frightening dream I have ever had. Even thinking of it today sends shivers down my spine.

In short, here is what "happened".

In the dream I am in a large open space with lots of architectural features, sort of like an open mall with various buildings on the horizon. The feeling of the dream was somewhat desolate as I seemed to be the only person around, though I could "sense" others, I could not see them.

There were escalators. And there were spiders. I mean huge, awful spiders. Like 20 times my size. Upon seeing one then I noticed many, many more. I was on an escalator going up and this giant spider was on the other side coming down, when suddenly I found myself face to face with it. The feeling was of a battle, and as I confronted this particular spider, it jabbbed at me with its giant pincer, stabbing me in the leg.

I woke up. In a state!

So reading your story below is most disturbing.

I have known for a while that this dream was important, yet in the context you describe it is, well, alarming. :(

The dream seems to be a warning perhaps? If I do not take care where I might end up?!

The symbol of spiders is widely recognized as being that aspect of awareness which constricts, or as Laura mentioned in her recounting of her dream/battle with "them" as being the manifestation/representation of the thought center of non-being. ( If I recall correctly, going by memory.)

In works I have studied the spider is seen as controlling awareness, for lack of a better term, but I think most people here are familiar with this concept.

I tell you, the dream still today gives me the willies and if anything is motivation to learn, to work, to do, it is the feeling/sensation of this dream!

I just hope that there IS hope, for like many I have wondered about being an OP, am I able to fully grow and develop, or is there some inherent flaw in me?

Quite a challenging subject that, for on the one hand I would rather know and face the truth as opposed to idle fantasy or speculation, on the other hand the mind can play its tricks on you and keep one "suspended" and "stuck" - which is a favourite ploy of that type of awareness.

Anyways, just thought I would share as I've thought about this dream a few times since it occurred and when reading below it really stirs (bothers) something within!

~Leoursa

That's a good question, and I'm not sure I know the answer! One idea I had was that it's similar to a war. Many die (descend "down") and a few profit (ascend "up"). Perhaps the psychopath at the top of the food chain is able to "bump" him or herself a notch higher on the evolutionary ladder by virtue of the size of his feeding base? That might explain Ra's comment that Rasputin, Goering (a psychopath), and Himmler (probably a schizoid) all ascended to 4D STS.

Some time ago I had a conversation on a similar topic with a friend, and this friend shared with me part of the story from the Star Wars series (yeah!) that sounded to me as a good analogy for what *might* happen to those who align themselves with STS. Don't remember all the details, so that's just a general outline.

In this story the character saw huge amount of big spiders that converged at the bottom of some sort of stairs. And these spiders were fighting or killing each other to win the possibility of climbing on the stairs. The problem was (for the spiders who won) that at the moment they were able to do that and climb on the next step, they were becoming food for the bigger spiders who were already on the stairs. After having their dinner and gaining more strength bigger spiders were climbing to the next step just to find their death in the mouths of even more bigger spiders. And so on and on until it gets to the top and to the biggest and nastiest of spiders.

Now, according to the story, there is a door at the top of the stairs and this spider was standing in front of it. And so this big and frighting spider found his sudden death when a human (I think) opened the door and squashed him. Don't know if this last part can be part of the analogy. but you have to appreciate the irony ;)

In any way, seems to me that while STS candidates probably will get (and are already getting) a serious boost to their nastiness, in the end they will be devoured and used as food/energy for even bigger shorts. This is how it works in the hierarchical/dog eat dog dynamic. Some of them may even find themselves in 4d as a result.

But in the grand scheme of things even 4d STS appears as a dead end, and the way out of it is only downwards. Perhaps 4d STS know it and that's why they try to orchestrate this grand smashing event. C's said that they are dying race (races) and they need more and more energy to keep themselves on this level (since it is the last level that has physicality in it) Maybe they think that smashing event will provide them with enough energy to finally fix themselves in 4D once and for all. Also, maybe they know that the only way for their STS orientation is down, so some of them came up with an alternative idea that if the fixing in 4D won't work, they might compromise and engineer FRV compatible 3d bodies to reincarnate into.

Moderator: Fixed quote code.

 

[monkee]

About detoxing:

Just if someone is interested. I searched quite long for toothpaste without fluoride. But it's just available at the supermarkets of Alberthein. I am not sure this supermarket branch extends further than The Netherlands. But maybe it does.

- As for the threads about Diet and Health they helped me greatly in understanding this issue, thanks for that.

One interesting thing about Parodontax is that it is sold behind the counter of the service counter of AH, unlike other toothpastes.

According to the newspaper this particular toothpaste is often targeted by shoplifters. Rumour has it that it contains psychoactive ingredients and that some folks are sniffing it. Perhaps they are mistaking Salvia Officinalis (one of the ingredients) with Salvia Divinorum (a well known psychedelic plant).

_http://www.metronieuws.nl/index.php?actie=nieuws&c=2&id=115517 (Dutch)

A link to publication regarding Parodontax' herb effectiveness
_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8395177

 

[bjorb]

- Hey monkee

Damn, you know I searched for it and was quite surprised they just sold it by AH. You know being mainstream and such. That's some serious rumor btw. I guess I can pick my poison now, be it Fluoride or some psychedelic plant. You see I am no expert at this but clearly you have to. Thanks that you pointed this out and sorry from me. I have to do a lot more research on this matter before pointing out to others what may be better for there health. I surely will.

I will take a closer look at the ingredients with are comprised in this toothpaste and post what they exactly are. If harmful I will try to find a alternative.

 

[monkee]

- Hey monkee

Damn, you know I searched for it and was quite surprised they just sold it by AH. You know being mainstream and such. That's some serious rumor btw. I guess I can pick my poison now, be it Fluoride or some psychedelic plant. You see I am no expert at this but clearly you have to. Thanks that you pointed this out and sorry from me. I have to do a lot more research on this matter before pointing out to others what may be better for there health. I surely will.

I will take a closer look at the ingredients with are comprised in this toothpaste and post what they exactly are. If harmful I will try to find a alternative.

Hi Bjorn, I think you misunderstood me. Salvia officinalis in parodontax is common sage, not the psychedelic Salvia Divinorum.
This rumour is urband legend.

Btw I've been using Parodontax blue for years.

 

[bjorb]

Oh, yeah I did. Sorry for the noise.

Still it made me thinking, I mean we do eat a lot of different foods. All having a dozen ingredients, and most of us aren't even aware what is in it or what it is. How naive, not knowing what you eat.

It's the same with our shampoo, toothpaste, cleaning stuff and so on.

Anyhow good to hear that Parodontax still is most probably safe to use.

Add: And of-course that second article you posted, Thanks for that. I wasn't aware of that.