Session 4 April 2015

[Vulcan59]

I watched Thrive years ago... Looked like Cointelpro. They completely ignored psychopathy and objective reality as it is now. Seemed like another variation to the venus project.

Yes and adding another link to Palinurus post above -_http://www.thrivemovement.com/john-robbins-critique-of-thrive-movie-humanity-and-sanity

“We are a group of people who were interviewed for and appear in the movie Thrive, and who hereby publicly disassociate ourselves from the film.

Thrive is a very different film from what we were led to expect when we agreed to be interviewed. We are dismayed that we were not given a chance to know its content until the time of its public release. We are equally dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided.

 

[Miss.K]

1. Dear Laura and the rest what is your personal take on the movie called Thrive ? Have you already watched it before? The guy in this movie seems and sounds VERY legit and much of what he tells coincides almost 100 % with the C's info over the years. He sounds very convincing and all of what he tells about many things like free energy suppressed inventions human history sacred geometry the state of our economy is almost 99% close to your work Laura and the C's So a little guidance on your behalf in regards to that movie would be much appreciated.

I've seen it too, and thought it was bogus, A few truths and a lot of BS.
If you dive a bit deeper into Lauras work, and other studies recommended here, I think you won't think it is 99% the same message.

Lord, give me patience.

you already have plenty of that, but you can get some flowers (I'm sure Lord agrees)

 

[Divide by Zero]

Yes, one may totally lose sex drive but in fact that it may be the case of how one responds to the wave because when the transition occurs, your whole body starts to vibrate with different frequency and it's natural to lose interest in sex, at least temporary.

After the transition is complete sex drive returns back to normal, this has nothing to do with spirituality. It makes sense, just like a sick person has no interest in sex at all until it gets healthy again. But one has to observe the changed and the perception of what it 'feels like real' and what not, just listen to your own body. Emotions run amok, you may feel extremely happy and then you start crying rivers, like every other 5 minutes, it feels like your body starts to sense different energies, it is obvious that the last thing you want and imagine is sex.

it could be other things, but losing interest in it is one of the symptoms, yes.

I'm a bit confused as to how you know the details of this wave transition. I read what you went through, but how can you be so sure that it is the wave itself and not something specific to your growth?

 

[Stefan]

If I think of SCALE, I think infinity, and to be able grasp the image of infinity that is something infinitely small or infinitely big, it is only our perceptions of dimensions, size, distances and time that give us the illusions that the Universe is finite and nothing can be 'bigger' or 'smaller' than what our sensors try to tell us. Everything happens simultaneously on all directions and on all scales. Scale is only perception just like time is. It makes sense.

 

[seek10]

1. Dear Laura and the rest what is your personal take on the movie called Thrive ? Have you already watched it before? The guy in this movie seems and sounds VERY legit and much of what he tells coincides almost 100 % with the C's info over the years. He sounds very convincing and all of what he tells about many things like free energy suppressed inventions human history sacred geometry the state of our economy is almost 99% close to your work Laura and the C's So a little guidance on your behalf in regards to that movie would be much appreciated.

Thrive
_http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Thrive

Thrive is a 2011 conspiracy theory film made by bank heir Foster Gamble. Claiming to be a documentary, the film smashes together pretty much every modern conspiracy theory in the books, including free energy suppression, UFO landings, New World Order, vaccine hysteria, 9/11 truthers, and much more, all combined to make a statement about a "Global Domination Agenda" Gamble claims controls much of the world. As seen by the proposed "solutions" (which include the dismantling of the Federal Reserve and elimination of public schools and taxes), the film is a not-so-well disguised libertarian propaganda piece and Unified Conspiracy Theory at the same time.

Conspiracy theory and pseudoscience stars like Nassim Haramein and David Icke also appear on the movie, talking about toroidal energy and UFO nonsense, respectively.

regarding Nassim Haramein check this
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,9725.msg70720.html#msg70720

 

[Caledonia]

Well thanks a lot for all of your answers. But still i have a few questions here.

1. If the so called holy fire is bogus and i firmly believe that it is so then how do they do this trick? Ever wondered ? One can say that this or that is bogus and even if that is truly bogus one must be able to prove that it is or at least some hypothesis. I for one know for sure that it is so but how do they do it now that is the 64 000 dollar question
Do you know that?

2. Thanks a lot i AM doing my work. And watch the movies too sometimes because as they say all work and no play .....you know Well the movie might be a cointelpro but the fact that it makes no mention of the psychopathy doesn't make it one too. Admit it. And as for debunking i already noticed that they have an agenda of sidetracking some of the good researchers too. And this movie tells the truth albeit not all at once. Zeitgeist for example would be more of a propaganda in this case than Thrive imho.

3. As for the sex drive and spirituality i agree that they may have no connection but that is just my own observation and it mightmean anything but i only presumed it could be well connected with the wave being here already. and i dont'think that sex is dirty i just feel right now that our life is not about it 99% as many think and this status gives me the astonishing clarity in meditations and insights

 

[Stefan]

I'm a bit confused as to how you know the details of this wave transition. I read what you went through, but how can you be so sure that it is the wave itself and not something specific to your growth?

The only way to know exactly if I am the living proof or the end product of the transition itself is to ask the C's. It is personal gnosis to me, or where else should I go for confirmation? It might be happening to many people like me right now, or experiencing it the hard way. People experience it different ways. It is that whatever happened, I am different now for the better. Why do you think I am here? I need too some reality check but where else do I go? The evidence could be provided by measurement of something, but what? We can't measure certain frequencies, can we? is there any technology any there that measures the frequency of our consciousness? Maybe. If I go to a doctor they may confirm 100 mental disorders on me, or some other imbalances, and they will make up a diagnose. Doctors diagnose, that is what they do. I can go to 100 different doctors and maybe they will tell me 100 different things. I didn't go to a doctor at all. I called friends. It is a matter of faith with me. Nobody can tell me the objective truth as it is. Who is going to confirm it, based on what facts, and how do we know we have all the facts available to make certain conclusions of anything?

Your whole body vibrates differently, it felt like it, and the thoughts were driving me nuts so were my emotions. I am now a completely normal person but I feel much 'lighter' now

 

[Caledonia]

Stefan you are 100% right. You know what i was in the same position and still am as you are with no answers to many many many things that happen to me daily and i have no explanation to them. When i share these on this forum nobodu seems to take it seriously all i get is some irony or short sarcastic retorts. People here believe that i am a mentally disordered dude and i must warn you that if you keep sharing those wave sensations with people here they will diagnose you too and you will get no real answer. You will move on with your life always guessing why you are so special or feel what others don't feel and if it is connected with the wave.you want the c's to tell you what is going with you right? Well then don't be surprised if you once read in the next session coming from the session that stefan is merely mentally disordered delusional guy. At least that is what i got. And i am NOT a nutjob by any means. So don't get your hopes up buddy

 

[Stefan]

I don't need to get hopes on anything. I know what this forum is all about. If they don't believe in me and if somebody claims that I am mentally disordered, it is their choice they make. I am not trying to prove anything, I am sharing my experience with everybody and I put on the table what I know and that the wave is all about and what I went through that like everybody else, I am done and I am waiting for the rest of the world to go through this process. I can't wait for people to feel what I feel, but that is life. The feeling is mental and body lightness. i think it is still an ongoing process but not as dramatic as few months ago.

If you look at the bigger picture, we are just so small, so to think we are so special, we are not. Everybody is special to me and everything!

Caledonia, it is because people don't have those sensations yet. but it is enough to think for me what it's like to feel lighter. Something that felt heavy before was gone from me. Wonderful! The question is now how to get 'lighter' and 'lighter'. Whatever this means. I have modeled the Universe in my head and it makes sense to me. If I am right, or wrong, in the realm of infinite parallel Universes, would you believe me that I might have just created or should I say, recreated another Universe somewhere? How does this work is unknown, but no one can claim the absolute truth. We can always get closer to it by observation and consensus. Just start imagining things in an infinite scale. I know, it is hard.

Caledonia, I don't think you have mental disorder, but just observe the signs and let it be, watch your emotions. I've experienced all emotions in the world (well, that is subjective), but just it felt weird. It's what it is, it's a wave, we are sitting on it and we are experiencing it. Eventually we'll hit the summit, and then what. All is wave form to me. Bigger and bigger waves, but it is only a matter of perceptions. Reality is all about perceptions, experiences and balances. I have come here for reality check. If somebody tells me I am delusional, I will try to be rational. the absolute reality is irrational to us because we cannot perceive it but we need to recreate it to relive it. Quite a bit of mental gymnastics is required to understand what C's are trying to tell us.

 

[Caledonia]

Very well said so what else can i say but lots of luck buddy the wave IS here and the crest of it is coming closer and closer so we either have to surf it or go down. Ride on ride on keep that up

 

[Learner]

Now, I am not sure which is worse "Wait and See" or seeing. I have followed many of the puzzle pieces for years thinking even those pieces are enough for people to pay attention but here we are on the brink and most seem to sleep on.

I don't know about you but what I "see" is almost what I have been waiting to see. I am sorry to say that in a way. I guess we cling to hope but clinging too tightly is really "wishful thinking" sometimes. I choose to see reality left and right but it ain't easy. :(

Well, more or less often, I tend to descend into wishful thinking as a kind of "hope". Whether it goes: "I hope, the Cs and SOTT etc. are wrong", or: "maybe more people are aware than I assume right now". On the other hand, I do encounter people acknowledging that something is really off or something like this. I perceive this as having become more frequent especially since last year. My mother senses something wrong since three years or so, and stated it to me on several occasions. Last summer, one of my friends (whom I regard being a highly sensitive one) stated to me: "I have the sensation, that something really wicked this way comes and things will get really ugly." Then, an acquaintance recently stated: "I feel, we are in much more of a transition stage than we used to be at the time when the wall in Germany came down and the Soviet union broke apart. I just can't assess, what is really going on right now. But I sense, it is something really profound." This was on Thursday, 2nd of April, just before the recent session!

Then, sometimes, it is me who doesn't want to acknowledge what is going on. That part of me which is complacent and lazy. That part of me, which still is being influenced by denial - the main reason probably being a "protection" against seeing the full horror of the situation. However, following SOTT nowadays and now also hearing people in my life talking as described above, makes it easier to acknowledge things on a more cognitive level for me than before - "seeing", indeed. It makes it also easier to share with others, as they start opening up in one way or the other in accepting information, which deviates from official "consensus". This is, where "hope" may have at least some objective foundation - at least with some people. But well, all the others... Many do not even have access to such information - people who have to look how to survive day after day, as they live in war-torn or slum areas, for example. And many who have access whether have not been exposed to relevant information yet or they choose to keep their blindfold. In this case, it is more of something like a "wait and see" for me - maybe many more people will remove their blinders, especially as the Wave is unfolding gradually. Or the Wave may "wash off" the blinders in many cases....

So, for me, it is a process of "seeing" (like in gradually acknowledging more and more and acting accordingly) and a process of "wait and see" regarding all the others at the same time. One evening I have been very sad too, considering all the others who continue to live in denial and just continue living as usual. On the other hand I thought, if it is their choice, then so be it. As sad and unfortunate as it is... :(
Here I remember a metaphor with which Laura's work has been compared (I think, it was on a SOTT article): like being a little bird holding up its tiny legs against the sky, which impends to fall upon the head of all the other beings. "Seeing" this and seeing as well, how to help strengthen the legs of this little bird and/or showing the other beings, how to protect their heads (in case they are aware of the impendent danger), is part of the "wait and see" process for me as well. As long as the "bird" asks for assistance, there is still a chance of people becoming aware - if they ask for help. That is what gives me "hope" (or however you may term it)... FWIW

 

[Starshine]

Thank you all for sharing. :)

 

[goyacobol]

Now, I am not sure which is worse "Wait and See" or seeing. I have followed many of the puzzle pieces for years thinking even those pieces are enough for people to pay attention but here we are on the brink and most seem to sleep on.

I don't know about you but what I "see" is almost what I have been waiting to see. I am sorry to say that in a way. I guess we cling to hope but clinging too tightly is really "wishful thinking" sometimes. I choose to see reality left and right but it ain't easy. :(

Well, more or less often, I tend to descend into wishful thinking as a kind of "hope". Whether it goes: "I hope, the Cs and SOTT etc. are wrong", or: "maybe more people are aware than I assume right now". On the other hand, I do encounter people acknowledging that something is really off or something like this. I perceive this as having become more frequent especially since last year. My mother senses something wrong since three years or so, and stated it to me on several occasions. Last summer, one of my friends (whom I regard being a highly sensitive one) stated to me: "I have the sensation, that something really wicked this way comes and things will get really ugly." Then, an acquaintance recently stated: "I feel, we are in much more of a transition stage than we used to be at the time when the wall in Germany came down and the Soviet union broke apart. I just can't assess, what is really going on right now. But I sense, it is something really profound." This was on Thursday, 2nd of April, just before the recent session!

Then, sometimes, it is me who doesn't want to acknowledge what is going on. That part of me which is complacent and lazy. That part of me, which still is being influenced by denial - the main reason probably being a "protection" against seeing the full horror of the situation. However, following SOTT nowadays and now also hearing people in my life talking as described above, makes it easier to acknowledge things on a more cognitive level for me than before - "seeing", indeed. It makes it also easier to share with others, as they start opening up in one way or the other in accepting information, which deviates from official "consensus". This is, where "hope" may have at least some objective foundation - at least with some people. But well, all the others... Many do not even have access to such information - people who have to look how to survive day after day, as they live in war-torn or slum areas, for example. And many who have access whether have not been exposed to relevant information yet or they choose to keep their blindfold. In this case, it is more of something like a "wait and see" for me - maybe many more people will remove their blinders, especially as the Wave is unfolding gradually. Or the Wave may "wash off" the blinders in many cases....

So, for me, it is a process of "seeing" (like in gradually acknowledging more and more and acting accordingly) and a process of "wait and see" regarding all the others at the same time. One evening I have been very sad too, considering all the others who continue to live in denial and just continue living as usual. On the other hand I thought, if it is their choice, then so be it. As sad and unfortunate as it is... :(
Here I remember a metaphor with which Laura's work has been compared (I think, it was on a SOTT article): like being a little bird holding up its tiny legs against the sky, which impends to fall upon the head of all the other beings. "Seeing" this and seeing as well, how to help strengthen the legs of this little bird and/or showing the other beings, how to protect their heads (in case they are aware of the impendent danger), is part of the "wait and see" process for me as well. As long as the "bird" asks for assistance, there is still a chance of people becoming aware - if they ask for help. That is what gives me "hope" (or however you may term it)... FWIW

Learner,

I think that it is good to know what you "see" since my experience so far has been much less detection of people noticing the events happening. I do remember last week my brother-in-law, who happens to be a policeman, saying something that showed a bit of awareness that all is not well on planet earth (just don't remember his exact words or topic). I do try to notice if others are sensing changes but so far it's a bit slow. That doesn't keep me from having "hope" either even when it is not clear exactly why. I think it is largely due to our networking so we can encourage each other. By ourselves it is difficult to plod along I think. Just having a sense of purpose or usefulness to others makes it worth holding on for their sake and not just for myself.

Thanks for sharing the above. :)

 

[Mandrak]

This is interesting to note about plane crash (this is triggered alarm in me when I saw it):
1. Hollande and Merkel together for peace in Ukraine, against the will of "USA"
2. Hollande and Merkel together watching a plane crash (a warning against them)

Feb 5, 2015
French President François Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel held talks in Kiev Thursday with President Petro Poroshenko on ending the country’s ongoing crisis before heading to Russia to present a draft peace plan on Friday.
http://www.france24.com/en/20150205-ukraine-hollande-merkel-russia-peace-talks/

Mar 25, 2015
(Reuters) - French President Francois Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel arrived together by helicopter on Wednesday in the remote Alpine region where an Airbus plane smashed into a mountain, ahead of an international homage to the 150 victims.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/25/us-france-crash-leaders-idUSKBN0ML1GU20150325

Now I would comment about the Wave:
Matthew 24
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

So the Bible confirms that wave will come gradually and hard to notice (so the people are like the frog in gradually heated water).

I'm not sure that I know what it means to prepare / be ready for Judgment Day (Wave). I think I should try to see the truth and spread the truth to others (as part of my own development). Try to get rid of negative thoughts and emotions. Try to reduce attachment to the material world (3D stuff). There are instructions that the Day of Judgment (Wave) should always be expected. Does consciousness itself about the Day of Judgment somewhat helps a person to be ready? Probably. There is a direct and indirect effect of awareness of the Wave. Direct is: 1) can not come suddenly, because it is expected , and we by awareness reducing the negative effects of the Wave 2) respect for the Wave creates the reflection - respect from Wave towards us (ignoring is not respect). Indirect: the effort and look for ways to be prepared. Even if the chosen method is not perfectly suitable, effort and intention produce a result. Effort + Intent: Nothing in the universe is not free and suffering (tapas - Sanskrit, effort) is a method of payment. Effort has two effects on: the practical way and magical way. Magical way is often using symbolism. Symbolism can be arbitrarily set out the procedures to the goal. However, the effect is stronger if symbol is enhanced by mass psychic energy (for example, massively used symbolism as Tarot). The intention (part of magical way) may enrich or ruin the process. There are examples in the Islamic learning where the procedure is correct, but the intent is selfish and did not have good effect:

On the Day of Judgment first will be judged man who was martyred in the cause of Allah.
Allah will show him all the benefits and the man would be recognized them, and Allah will ask:
- What did you do with benefits?
- I fought in your way until I died - will respond.
- You're lying, you fought that people say, "How brave he is!" - and they have said it. (you already got what you asked for, you got what you're intend to get, is not nothing left to pay for going to heaven: my comment). And then He will order to thrown him upside into the fire of hell. (Source: Hadith - There are additional similar examples about scholar and a rich man which are not used blessings/benefits/opportunities, that God give them, with appropriate intention.)
Sorry: imperfect English.

 

[Divide by Zero]

Stefan you are 100% right. You know what i was in the same position and still am as you are with no answers to many many many things that happen to me daily and i have no explanation to them. When i share these on this forum nobodu seems to take it seriously all i get is some irony or short sarcastic retorts. People here believe that i am a mentally disordered dude and i must warn you that if you keep sharing those wave sensations with people here they will diagnose you too and you will get no real answer. You will move on with your life always guessing why you are so special or feel what others don't feel and if it is connected with the wave.you want the c's to tell you what is going with you right? Well then don't be surprised if you once read in the next session coming from the session that stefan is merely mentally disordered delusional guy. At least that is what i got. And i am NOT a nutjob by any means. So don't get your hopes up buddy

It's not sarcasm. It is a legitimate question to see whether this information is really the wave or not.

I don't think any of you are nutjobs. I just think it is too hasty to assume what this is and whether it is the wave or something else.

I posted my own weird experiences on another session thread. I was having the oddest dreams, feedback loops, or in the idea of programming - recursion. It was phrased in a way of curiosity, as it could be my own self working out issues or thoughts that were not fully processed. Not once did I state that this is what the wave does. I wouldn't want to state something that COULD BE just my own mind making things up.

Remember, the C's said that anticipation restricts. So, I can't speak for the forum, but my issue is that people are stating what will happen, or what exactly the wave is without objective facts.
The C's said that 4d is a state where what we think, we create. Imagine how dangerous that state could be if we don't practice objectivity!