Session 4 April 2015

Stefan said:
I am doing it on other workgroup forums but you know the result ~ 'conspiracy theorist, what is your evidence? why are you fearmongering, life is good, what is your problem?' kind of mentality with people, even thought I'd spent enough time and energy in 2006 to warn people for the upcoming financial collapse, but to no avail. I just keep trying to engage some critical thinking. People are so selfish. Stock market is up, unemployment is low, GDP is growing, everything is honky-dory. Everything else is a conspiracy theory that should not be taken account for, ever.

Yep, sounds familiar. I've learned not to engage on other forums like that, as it can be quite an energy drain, and nobody would be getting anywhere. I might just post a link here and there, and move on, and not engage with any replies. Another way would be to start your own blog and write down your frustrations with the situation as it is in the U.S., and perhaps write about what you're going to do to possibly survive a big collapse, and so forth. Then, people might come across your blog, find the information interesting, and continue doing some researching themselves. Of course at some point you may have some comments on your blog saying that you're a 'conspiracy theorist party pooper', but in that case you could either delete their posts, or whichever. You can also think about writing an article for sott.net

If something doesn't work, just try another way. I should point out though, that the point isn't to force information onto others, we all have our own lessons to learn, but there is no harm in sharing information that could help those who are interested to learn more about the state of this world.
 
Hey people yesterday you gave me the following link ''Thrivedebunked.wordpress.com'' suggesting that the guy behind the resource might be the reliable source of info telling the truth and debunking the thrive movie as pure disinfo and cointelpro. Well i read a few articles there and i must say that this guy is anything but the true guy - debunking the movie he states this:

1. 9/11 was not an inside job and those who claim the opposite are just crazy conspiracy theorists
2. There is no one world government
3. The world is not controlled by a group of predatory banking families
4. Crop circles are all bogus and have nothing to do with some higher forces
5. Federal reserve bank has no bad intentions or any conspiracy to enslave us.

Now you must be kidding by giving me this link suggesting that it is true and debunks the movie.
Do you really think that the guy behind this debunking site is legit? :-) :shock:
 
Thanks for the session (and the numerous new sessions :) ;) )

sitting said:
Laura said:
(Galatea) What star or constellation are you closest to right now?

A: We ride the Wave and thus are much "closer" than you can imagine. At the same time, imagination is the most direct way to comprehend that we are only a thought away.

Much thanks to Laura and crew, phenomenal session material!

I don't think I've ever seen the word imagination used in that way by the C's. Ever.
And it brought to mind this particular definition from Seth:

Beliefs are thoughts--reinforced by imagination and emotion--about the nature of your reality.

I had always placed emphasis on emotion, but never felt the same about imagination. In fact, in some ways, I felt excessive imagination was dangerous and a thing to avoid. But they are saying otherwise.

I think that what the Cs may be refering to is closer to this concept than the layman meaning of imagination : _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_imagination
 
Maat said:
Thanks for the session (and the numerous new sessions :) ;) )

sitting said:
Laura said:
(Galatea) What star or constellation are you closest to right now?

A: We ride the Wave and thus are much "closer" than you can imagine. At the same time, imagination is the most direct way to comprehend that we are only a thought away.

Much thanks to Laura and crew, phenomenal session material!

I don't think I've ever seen the word imagination used in that way by the C's. Ever.
And it brought to mind this particular definition from Seth:

Beliefs are thoughts--reinforced by imagination and emotion--about the nature of your reality.

I had always placed emphasis on emotion, but never felt the same about imagination. In fact, in some ways, I felt excessive imagination was dangerous and a thing to avoid. But they are saying otherwise.

I think that what the Cs may be refering to is closer to this concept than the layman meaning of imagination : _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_imagination

Yes. And thank you!

I thought along similar lines.

Your reference opens up new views--and showed how imagination had influenced great minds. There's indeed a lot more to it than the layman's interpretation.

I'm guessing it impacts our receivership capability. Widening our frequency range ... maybe.
Just think of how imagination sort of sets us free on certain special occasions.

But Laura's point remains highly pertinent. When does this become dangerous? What constitutes a safe boundary. I have my own criteria--having seen many instances where C's reined in Laura & crew--away from danger. Their recommendations are safe I believe.

I'm also comfortable with Seth--and have done his recommended exercises with imagination.
I do not however feel same with some visualization exercises in Tantric yoga. And there I thread very carefully. FWIW.
 
Stefan and Caledonia, I think that the two of you would benefit mightily from reading William Chittick's "The Sufi Path of Knowledge."
 
Thank you, Laura.
And thank you again for the inspiring session you provided to us. I will acknowledge the book, so many books to read! I feel my life is just beginning and I am 40 year old.

A: We ride the Wave and thus are much "closer" than you can imagine. At the same time, imagination is the most direct way to comprehend that we are only a thought away.

I know completely understand what they mean they are us in the future. Like I said, in an infinite Universe time doesn't exist. All things happen simultaneously on all directions of everything. 300 million years for us is perceived like 1 second by somebody else, and 1 second of our time is perceived like 300 millions by somebody else. If you imagine infinitely big, or infinitely strong, you are restricting your mind, there is no big, there is no small. It's the scale of our perception, how we see, feel and sense things. Everything are living things! Just that we are perceiving something that doesn't move but in fact moves at frightening speeds for somebody who we perceive like so small that it is invisible.
That is why we are invisible to 4D. Imagination gives you the feeling and lightness of the body, they are always a thought away. it's all about how and what you imagine.
 
Caledonia said:
Hey people yesterday you gave me the following link ''Thrivedebunked.wordpress.com'' suggesting that the guy behind the resource might be the reliable source of info telling the truth and debunking the thrive movie as pure disinfo and cointelpro. Well i read a few articles there and i must say that this guy is anything but the true guy - debunking the movie he states this:

1. 9/11 was not an inside job and those who claim the opposite are just crazy conspiracy theorists
2. There is no one world government
3. The world is not controlled by a group of predatory banking families
4. Crop circles are all bogus and have nothing to do with some higher forces
5. Federal reserve bank has no bad intentions or any conspiracy to enslave us.

Now you must be kidding by giving me this link suggesting that it is true and debunks the movie.
Do you really think that the guy behind this debunking site is legit? :-) :shock:

All those 'suggestions' are purely on your account, they weren't implied by just giving the link. So, wrong conclusion !

The blog --which is filled by at least two people, I think-- only shows that Thrive can be debunked from different angles -- even from mainstream ones.

No need to take anything from it as gospel or absolute truth, I would say.

Think for yourself, remember ?!
 
When I wrote my previous post (which is supposed to be about the fear), and became on balance, I wondered why? Maybe, everyone is talking about polarity STS-STO, and no one talks about the third way. So we have three paths to 6D. Then I asked how it looks 6D? Certainly there are three types of energy, and what are their events. Does energy creates its "unified thought forms", or it is one unified thought-form, which within itself has two polarities, which should reconcile (to balance)? What then is the role of the third (I assume) a balanced energy? Then I went to http://www.quantumfuture.net and opened the text "Tree of Life" and look at Laura's artwork and re-read text (read a few years ago). The first thing I noticed that the Cs say the 6D equivalent 1D and Laura them tied with 2D. Then I came across the answer, that of 4D is no left and right, and then there is no polarity. The tree of life is wrong, and obviously I will have to draw my (how I think it should be, drawing 1).

When I asked where to settle STS-STO in 3D and 4D, I came to the conclusion that it is not densities for themselves, but it is a flow of energy. What is the main feature of STS - yearn for materiality (will be back in 3D, simplified) and STO polarity greater spirituality (moving toward 4D). So the energy direction is inverted, flowing in two opposite directions.
So of course, we have two waves, one (thought, green spiral) descends from 6D to 1D, and matter (red spiral) embarks on a journey from 1D to 6D. This red - green ball (Figure 2) is infinitely small, immeasurable source. Spiral that moves from the center in a clockwise direction I will label with + and to the left on the clock -. This idea I borrowed from Serene Alba, and to the spiral were in balance both must be +. Super have balance and symmetry.
How is this way moving away, and I do not see the relationship, I halved the 7D and drew (3).

So green (thought) moves from the 7D on the left, and travels to the right 7D. I reached the end, and now what? It can not continue. Then I remembered the distortion wave (I think I saw a drawing with Dan Winter). So wave collapses (blue) and becomes what? I think anti - thought. Not matter although it has the same direction, but not the same spin (-). Also the red wave (matter) is traveling from right to left and collapses in the yellow wave, anti - matter. It is not thought of as a (-) spin. The events in the 7D I sketched in figure (7). This is two waves, symmetric, reflexive, in equilibrium in an endless loop.
I think the events Dimension, occur at intersections waves. Seen from right, red (matter) and blue (negative thoughts) make 1D, until they start at some point intersect with green (thought) and yellow (negative matter). There commit 2D. Depending, on the type section, beginning of good or bad events 2D. Then it becomes denser, and is more cross-sections, and we have a variety of 3D. Somewhere (let's say it's in the middle, black arrow) becomes the largest crowd, and I think this is the best place (section of reality?), for those who want to work manipulations.
Let's bridge the positive thought (+ wave, green, going to the left) on the negative thought (-Val, yellow, that goes to the right), and the movement stops, and returns the yellow wave again into matter (note the fear in your life).
Furthermore, in 4D, strengthens concentration of positive thoughts and negative matter.
Positive material and negative thoughts are moving away and formed 6D.
If this is not enough confusion and chaos (since I'm here processed and chose one type of wave), you add all kinds of waves, frequency and amplitude x4). I hope this is enough permutations.
5D's all out of this configuration (purple).

This drawing reminded me of one symbol, that you are all probably met (4).
When we put together 7D occurs donut (5). I think that Gregg Braden had some ideas about that.
I should have explained myself 5D. Since it is non-material density, and there are thinking and learning, surely consists of thoughts. At first I thought it was only there that wave and that is collapsing in non-thought, and that is so half-balanced and reflected, and that was the reason that she turns in one of the density. But the rest of my question, and who teaches it? Obviously, the second wave is present, and I guess that's consciousness. I applied the same procedure, and so the resulting "donut" I skated around the first (6), which represents densities. I think the quality of consciousness determines where it will be located.

If I remember correctly, Cs have said that consciousness is the connective tissue, what holds everything together, so I tried to imagine how it would all this was supposed to look like. Of course links go in all directions, and so can go to infinity. It can go indefinitely in the direction of the constellations and galaxies, or infinity in the direction of the cells, and atoms. Bruce Lipton has already found that each cell has a consciousness, and that it is not in the brain.
Also theory of fractals and holograms has its foundations.
Then I looked again at the drawing (3) and imagined as it would look from the 7D, with the left and right side of the drawings (7, 8). Then it all merged into one picture and got what?
Your logo (Figure 9)
Wonderful........ So much work, for nothing. The whole time it was in front of my nose.

But it was not for nothing. I got the answers to my questions / assumptions. The one thing people do not determine the 3D particle spin in 3D. People choose. Obviously I have to limit our infinite radiation vibration.
What do I have left? Yeah ... Dorothy and Oz.
Dorothy is because of the fear and offended, due to an unknown country. Maybe she can show us how to recognize not - matter, and non-thought. Maybe those ideas without the brain, emotion without a heart, heroism without courage, knowledge and authority that it is not......

These are my imagining. I distinguish between fantasy and daydreaming. Daydreaming, as well as imagination from not - thinking is dangerous. By this, I think; think of fear, when we think that we need to influence something, because according to our judgment incorrectly, rotten, sick.....
 

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Stefan said:
I know completely understand what they mean they are us in the future. Like I said, in an infinite Universe time doesn't exist. All things happen simultaneously on all directions of everything. 300 million years for us is perceived like 1 second by somebody else, and 1 second of our time is perceived like 300 millions by somebody else. If you imagine infinitely big, or infinitely strong, you are restricting your mind, there is no big, there is no small. It's the scale of our perception, how we see, feel and sense things. Everything are living things! Just that we are perceiving something that doesn't move but in fact moves at frightening speeds for somebody who we perceive like so small that it is invisible.
That is why we are invisible to 4D. Imagination gives you the feeling and lightness of the body, they are always a thought away. it's all about how and what you imagine.

You are freaking clueless. Whatever gave you the idea that we are invisible to 4D?
 
Kika, I don't think there is a "third way" between STS and STO. There may be souls who haven't polarized to one pole or the other but that is not a "way". So the Cs said that for a 3D STO candidate to graduate to 4D they have to be 50% STO and they have to choose the STO pole. Then once in 4D they have to spend a lot of time developing the STO alignment. I think this is where the 1000 year millennium comes in.
 
Mr. Premise said:
Kika, I don't think there is a "third way" between STS and STO. There may be souls who haven't polarized to one pole or the other but that is not a "way". So the Cs said that for a 3D STO candidate to graduate to 4D they have to be 50% STO and they have to choose the STO pole. Then once in 4D they have to spend a lot of time developing the STO alignment. I think this is where the 1000 year millennium comes in.
Also, STO itself is balanced. Remember the Cs said that they serve self by serving others.
 
I think I've "lost" three images in the transmission and sending them again.
 

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Prometeo wrote; "Probably The Wave is a tool." I like that. Probably, The Wave is an opportunity. As some of you know I am in recovery. When in active addiction, there is an acronym for fear. F.. Everything And Run. Once in recovery, the acronym changes to; Face Everything And Recover. So I was thinking, how about Face Everything And Ride (The Wave)? Perhaps it's an opportunity to 'recover' from the 'Foreign Installation.'

Ego and Pride give rise to Self Importance which saps all our energy as we twirl around doing "senseless figures in front of a mirror" trapped by our internal considering. "I like, I don't like." Etc. The Wave as a Hyperkinetic Sensate gives us the opportunity, when used with intent, to SEE the dynamic so we can work through the process necessary to make a different choice, eventually stopping the negative emotional reactions that run the cart into the ditch thereby making our awareness inedible.

And we are admonished by Caesar and the C's not to fear and be true to our Inner Natures, which is not the 'foreign installation.'

Some thoughts FWIW
 
C's said our planet is invisible in 4D. Am I correct or wrong? They have technology to access it. I was talking about perception. We do not even see our atoms but that does not mean they are not there. I said imagination is required to understand the C's.

If you want to know what is inside your body, look up to the sky to see your own atoms in actions. Get out of your 3D perception of reality. I know I am clueless because reality is irrational to us. So? If we do not have faith...?
 
goyacobol said:
Prometeo said:
Caledonia said:
Hi Laura and the rest:-) I ve been a little busy these days so no posts were given but now that i am free i would like to ask some questions and also share some experiences like some of the people above my post.

Are you a grail keeper? do you know about the grail and you keep it? :P

Kay, just to share my experience of this "wave". I don't think this is about feeling, I can never understand why people put so much emphasis on feeling things. But I still ask myself how is this hiperkinetic sensate going to manifest?

I recent experience I had was that I had one or two, massive, seriously people I felt even an energy on my throath and my chest of so much emotion. I could not control it, I was thankful I was alone at the time. But I havent had a similar experience, it was the most intense emotional burts I didn't chose to have. It just happened. Then my perception of concepts expanded itself very fast.

What I have noticed is that my awareness remains the same in terms of present observations, but my conscience of understanding of things improves faster than ever. Is like I read and meditate, and my mind works not faster like a calculator, it just sees more. Cannot explain it, I am not becoming a genius, is more like concepts are understood faster and unified. Sometimes I get to conclusions that afterwards I read that researchers have shown the same, then I read what they say and I understand more. But all I do is read, meditate, observe. Simple. It comes to a moment where I understand things that first appear complex, but then, they appear mundane like, we have been limited by not understanding some of the most simple concepts out there, and it comes a need to use those understandings to create things. By following this need to change and create things, all sorts of understandings comes easily.

Create new models, new art, improve ways to explain these difficult concepts in simple manners because they are not that difficult after some time. I have found that I get new deep artistic ideas after I do research about something, and then I try to write a lore about it. It almost becomes mystical itself. But cold as it may be, it has no need to feel it behind it.

Maybe that is why those who wait the wave are cooked frogs. The ant and the grasshoper fable. Probably the wave is a tool, and it can give all sorts of images and information, but without previous knowledge this becomes like that noise from TV, it has no shape, it is not tuned. And as far as I understood wasn't the wave a wave of different groups coming to earth?

Prometeo,

I appreciate the Grail Keeper humor but I'll to get your question. Mostly I notice you didn't think the Wave was about feeling but then you mentioned how you "felt" energy in your throat etc. I think the Wave is a lot about "feeling" and being "hyperkinetic sensate".

Here are some quotes about the Wave:

Session 3 December 1994

Q: (L) What does this wave consist of in terms of energy?
A: Feeling.
Q: (L) This wave is feeling? It is a wave of emotion?
A: Hyperkinetic sensate.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: All.
Q: (L) We don't understand
A: Too complex for this medium.

And another description with more detail here:

Session 28 November 2009

L) On all of them. Put it on all of them. Okay, so now you say that we have taken steps towards joy. The joy of a new world.

A: The wave is coming, you are teaching people to surf it instead of being dragged under and out to stormy seas.

Q: (L) You once said that the wave was something like "hyperkinetic sensate". And I've often wondered if that means that it's something that massively amplifies whatever is inside an individual? And if that were the case and they were full of a lot of unpleasant, painful, miserable feelings, repressed and suppressed thoughts and so forth, and something that was hyperkinetic sensate amplified all of that, what would it do to that individual? I mean, can you imagine any of us in our worst state of feeling yucky and then having that amplified a bazillion times? If it was bad stuff inside you, you would implode!

A: Soul smashing!

Q: (L) So it is really important for people to go through this process of cleansing to prepare themselves for that?

A: Yes, then they will "rise up with wings as eagles"!

Q: (L) So even people who - or maybe particularly people who - engage in a great deal of what Lobaczewski called "selection and substitution", there is some part of their rational mind that knows what the truth is, but because it's not acceptable to their peer group, or their social milieu, or their background and upbringing to accept that truth, they repress and suppress it and explain things to themselves in other ways. But they still know the truth. What would it be like if you have all of this suppressed, twisted truth locked up inside you that you never allowed yourself to look at and acknowledge?

(Ark) But you see this is not a separate phenomenon because when there is this amplification, there are these fears that you said, they will also explode. So the individual will be able to... the little devil will become the big devil, so it will be easier to choose, because, you know, choices will be amplified. It's not just little dark here, little this there - it's hard to choose - but they will have to decide this time where to go, and the decision will be...

(L) Extremely painful.

(Ark) It will be painful, but on the other hand, it will be clear.

(C******) But what if you're so overwhelmed it isn't clear?

(L) What if your fear is so big that...

(C******) You're blinded?

(Ark) Well, then you are lost.

(L) I mean, people that believe lies against all evidence are the ones that really baffle me. I mean, they don't baffle me in the sense that I don't understand why they do it, because I understand the psychological and brain mechanism, and I understand that's it been thousands of years, little by little, gradually, pathologically encroaching until now we live in this world where it's just literally -everything is dirty - it's just really horrible. And I can't imagine what... I mean, what about a psychopath? What about a psychopath who doesn't have emotions? How is a hyperkinetic sensate {wave} going to affect a psychopath?

A: They do have a sort of "emotion". Hunger for darkness.

Q: (L) So what it is an amplified hunger for darkness?

(A******) More darkness.
(L) But what would it do if it were amplified in that way?

(Allen) Ravenous!

(L) They'd devour themselves, wouldn't they?

A: More or less. What do you do when at your center there is a big empty hole?

Q: (Ark) But I can see how it's gonna happen. You see separately, there are these psychopaths. At the same time, there are a lot of people who are becoming very unstable. There are a lot of people who go completely crazy, that psychopaths can see something is happening - new opportunity, right? So, new victims. "They're mine!" "No, they're MINE!" And so psychopaths will start to fight with each other.

(L) Because they're more and more hungry. And then their masks will fall away, and people will see them for what they are.

A: Yes

Q: (L) It's gonna be ugly. But, we are embarked upon a new world. Okay, somebody else's turn to ask questions.

For now, I think this is enough to think about but that is just how I "feel" right now. :)



Thank you for those quotes goyacobol , I was also poundering about that hyperkinetic sensate. :)
I agree with your feeling, I can see some masks falling away in the high school where I work. Kids, teachers, some days it seems that everybody is crazy.
 

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