Session 4 April 2015

[loreta]

A: We ride the Wave and thus are much "closer" than you can imagine. At the same time, imagination is the most direct way to comprehend that we are only a thought away.

Imagination is creativity. I remember now that Marcel Proust said about his creativity, his ideas, his personal vision of his masterpiece and of life, were not from his brain, or mind, or from him. He said that everything was coming from the cosmos, that everything, ideas, projects, creation of something, inventions, everything was already in someplace and the "creator" or us in fact, the humans, can pick it up. It is just a question to be "open", to accept, to listen, to be aware, to give permission to our imagination. It is the words of the C's: "we are only a thought away" that made me think about Proust.

 

[Caledonia]

Laura thank you so much for your clues and answers i will definitely read the book And yet speaking of Thrive today i almost watched all of it and believe me i found not a single moment of cointelpro. Zeitgeist again would be much more of this kind. If one doesnt consider the participation of Icke and Haramein here then almost 99% of what is given is accurate to a ''t'' as they say Dont even know where you saw or heard anything new agey or distractive in that movie?

 

[goyacobol]

BHelmet,

I understand the difficulty in finding the exact session or Wave series references. I still have difficulty myself due to a poor memory for the exact wording and sometimes that doesn't help if I forget whether it is from the sessions or one of Laura's books. I only find things because I have saved as much as I could in PDF format and can use the advanced search feature of the Adobe PDF reader.

I would suggest the same method to anyone who wants to try it. Anyway I will try my best to help anyone who is having trouble finding that one idea they are sure they read somewhere in the material which is suggested reading that I have saved. I think your memory is much better than my own and I finally found all the quotes you posted I will embed the references into your post if you don't mind.

OK, I am no goyacobol when it comes to dredging up C's quotes, but here is an attempt to add some clarity to some of the ongoing discussion.

Session 5 December 1994

1. A: Catch 22: One half is that you have to change your assumptions in order to experience the wave in a positive way.

This pertains to what and how people are experiencing these early manifestations of the wave. No two people are going to experience the wave in the same way since no two people are going to have exactly the same set of assumptions or be in exactly the same place on the learning curve. So, to project your personal experiences as universal is always a huge mistake. (I have learned this the 'hard way')

Session 17 January 1998

2. A: Your realm is created by your ability to understand it. The wave comes as so many seek "graduation." (!)
Q: Are you saying that we are actually, in a sense, creating the wave?
A: And vice versa.

So there is a bidirectional signal or differential as has been noted in earlier discussions. Due to the subjective nature of human experience, it may be impossible to say with absolute objectivity, "THIS is what god hath wrought".

The Wave - The Truth is Out There but...Trust No One! part 2 Ra and the Law of One Session - 12-19-98:

Q: If, at 4th density, there is variability of physicality, and the Lizzies, as you have previously said, are engineering new bodies for themselves to occupy in some sort of mass transition at the time of this realm border crossing; in this state of variability of physicality, why do they need to engineer new bodies for themselves? Why, in point of fact, are Lizzies, Lizzies? Why do they look like Lizards?
A: They do not.

I would like to point out that the question above answered by the C's was about what the Lizzies look like. They dodged the question about the Lizzy strategy. I don't think that thread was picked back up.

Session 3 December 1994

A: Realm borders ride waves.

So, given our woefully deficient and distorted 3D understanding and perception of time, there must be an undetermined significant lag, for lack of a better term, between the arrival of the wave and the realm border.

BTW, goyacobol, if you want to assist with this, it would be greatly appreciated. I am not looking for a zillion words of context, just the pithy, nitty-gritty quotes about the wave scenario/phenomenon. Compressed version. An MP3, if you will.

Just continue BHelmet's train of thought and hopefully be in MP3 compression mode (brief) here are some thoughts (hopefully pithy, nitty-gritty ).

As I was searching I found other interesting clues (I always get side-tracked but it helps me learn/remember). Here are some of the things that stood out to me:

Networking, The Wave and the Border Realm Crossing

Session 17 December 1994

A: Always "Network". Networking is 4th Density STO concept seeping into 3rd density with upcoming realm border crossing.
Q: (DM) Networking is the way to get things done from 3rd level into 4th level?
A: Coming from 4th level into 3rd because of influence of wave.
Q: (DM) So, each of us has a skill that we develop and help each other. (L) We are all part of a body.
A: This is the way lives in STO! DM on board, V__ write. V__ not to feel bad, will return. Please be patient. Hello, DM.

Concerning the Wave and the Realm Border I noticed that the "timing" element was expressed as being "NEVER definite". This might be the "lag" as BHelmet mentions above.

Session 14 July 1996

Q: (L) And some of the manifestations of a Realm Border Crossing are that some people graduate or
transition to 4th density, that their awareness changes, everything changes, the playing field is leveled.
So, what happened in Germany was a 'practice run' but what is going to happen is that the 'playing
field' is going to be leveled, so it will not be exactly the same scenario, is this a correct assessment?
A: Maybe. Alright, my dear, you want the facts, so we will give them to you, and hopefully you will
comprehend. If not now, then when necessary maybe... Fact number one: All there is is lessons. Fact
two: this is one big school. Fact three: Timing as you perceive it, is never, NEVER definite. Fact four:
What is to happen, as you state it, is a ways off, and will not occur until you have reached that point on
the learning cycle, and you are not close yet. Now ponder before more facts are given!!
Q: (L) Okay, this being one infinite school, and we all seem to be wandering around in the darkness...
A: Fact five: The learning cycle is variable, and progress along it is determined by events and
circumstances as they unfold.
Q: (L) So, the events and circumstances of our lives, individually and collectively, can indicate where
we are on this learning cycle? And we are asking to have things told to us, or revealed to us about
things which are, in themselves, the necessary lessons? And it would be virtually useless to be told
about them since they must be experienced?
A: Partly correct. If you want hints, then hints shall we give. But, if you are looking for a "road map?,"
forgetitski!!
Q: (L) Okay, we want some hints. And [the physicist] Ark wants some hints, too! He wants to know if
we can invent a tool that enhances free will?
A: No tool is needed because of facts 3, 4, and 5.
Q: (L) Ummm... So, when a person is being hypnotized and controlled from outside, because that is the
matter of concern we were discussing earlier, they are hypnotized and controlled until they learn to
stop it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So, using the analogy of the pig sty, they just have to wallow in it and suffer until they have had
enough?
A: Using your analogy of the bicycle: Is there a tool which makes it unnecessary for the child to learn
how to ride the bicycle in order to know how to ride it?!?
Q: (MM) Don't you get more free will by assimilating knowledge?
A: Yes!! Yes!!
Q: (L) So, in other words, knowledge and awareness makes you aware that you have free will, and also
makes you aware of what actions actually ARE acts of free will, and therefore, when you know or
suspect the difference between the lies and deception and truth, then you are in a position to be in
control of your life?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Ark also wants to ask... well, his problem is faith, as he said it to me.
A: Faith comes also from knowledge, and as we have stated before... False knowledge is worse than no
knowledge at all!!!!!

So from the above it sounds like "Timing is NEVER definite" and "The learning cycle is variable, progress along it is determined by events and
circumstances as they unfold." There is "no free lunch"...

 

[Ocean]

Laura thank you so much for your clues and answers i will definitely read the book And yet speaking of Thrive today i almost watched all of it and believe me i found not a single moment of cointelpro. Zeitgeist again would be much more of this kind. If one doesnt consider the participation of Icke and Haramein here then almost 99% of what is given is accurate to a ''t'' as they say Dont even know where you saw or heard anything new agey or distractive in that movie?

Caledonia
I am pretty sure that the only comment Laura made about the movie Thrive was this :-

Don't watch many movies. Too much work to do.

 

[Caledonia]

Yes Ocean this is so But as for the rest of the forum members it looks like they rather make haste to criticize the movie than to make any constructive suggestions.

 

[Miss.K]

But as for the rest of the forum members it looks like they rather make haste to criticize the movie than to make any constructive suggestions.

this was meant to be such:

If you dive a bit deeper into Lauras work, and other studies recommended here, I think you won't think it is 99% the same message.

It is OK with me if you like the movie,
-perhaps it is not that the ones here who don't like the movie, make haste to criticize it, but merely that we pitch in to answer your question as to what we think of it, and why we think what we think?

 

[Laura]

C's said our planet is invisible in 4D. Am I correct or wrong? They have technology to access it. I was talking about perception. We do not even see our atoms but that does not mean they are not there. I said imagination is required to understand the C's.

No, the Cs never said that our planet is invisible in 4D.

And no, imagination is definitely NOT required to understand the Cs.

I have no idea where some of you people get the ideas you come up with. Is the problem reading comprehension? Or is it just wishful thinking that is so strong it warps everything that goes into your head by whatever sense organ?

If you want to know what is inside your body, look up to the sky to see your own atoms in actions. Get out of your 3D perception of reality. I know I am clueless because reality is irrational to us. So? If we do not have faith...?

Now that is what we call salad-shooter metaphysics.

 

[Stefan]

Then there is no point for me to post here anymore. I have nothing more to say. God bless.

 

[ggen]

Stefan and Caledonia, I think that the two of you would benefit mightily from reading William Chittick's "The Sufi Path of Knowledge."

My view has also been distorted/off when it comes to Reality and The Wave so I ordered this book myself.

It's sitting on my nightstand.

Stefan and Caledonia, the mind can and will play tricks on you, and you will BELIEVE those tricks...unless you learn otherwise.

fwiw

 

[Menna]

(Perceval) I think their previous comment was that souls marries to genetics if present. So, what you're thinking of is that for the soul to absolve itself or remove this karmic debt, that it picked a body with a specific set of genetics that required...

(L) That enables you to do that. Or to fulfill a specific mission?

(Perceval) Yeah.

(L) Is that kinda getting close?

A: Yes

For the souled individuals here maybe our reason for being in 3D is not only to gain knowledge but for a cleaning or clearing of the Souls baggage for advancement. Maybe because of the laws here on 3D it allows the soul to clean its previous attached karma through our bodies and the interactions/experiences allowed here in 3D. Maybe in other densities the laws would not allow for the soul cleaning hence we chose at a specific time to incarnate here. There is alot of suffering here and it seems that when you interact with life/people there is always hurt (on some level), success, break even, fall down, get back up when living life these things are attached to it. The only way to avoid it is to learn but then you have to go through it to learn so there really is no way to avoid it. There are alot of variables at play here in 3D that allow many different situation to happen for experiences that may or may not help clean/clear the souls in order for the soul to advance get rid of its lower vibrations baggage. This is just a theory but I see no reason with my level that I am at now that I would pick a place that allows such negativity on all levels especially the emotional one.

IF and a big IF this is close to the truth what do you do when you Karmic debt is over because making money and tending to the body and all its needs and 3D life in general seems tedious to me.

 

[Stefan]

Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible

I do not know who to believe anymore

 

[Miss.K]

For the souled individuals here maybe our reason for being in 3D is not only to gain knowledge but for a cleaning or clearing of the Souls baggage for advancement.

makes sense to me, though I don't know if it is so.

IF and a big IF this is close to the truth what do you do when you Karmic debt is over because making money and tending to the body and all its needs and 3D life in general seems tedious to me.

I think there is more to giving than getting even with karma, so there would be plenty to do IMO

 

[John G]

Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible

I do not know who to believe anymore

You have to be a little careful with keeping the metaphors/symbols separate from reality. Just like "imagination" is perhaps a metaphor for something like 6th density quantum entanglement (but not literally so), "invisible" can perhaps be a useful metaphor for how 4th density focuses on things in their variably physical way:

March 4, 1995
Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible.
Q: (J) Huh? (L) What do you mean, invisible?
A: Only visible upon request. Variability of physicality.
Q: (L) Okay, does this mean that to the Lizzies and Orions
the earth is invisible?
A: When they are not thinking about it.
Q: (J) You mean when they are not thinking about it it
doesn't exist? They have to focus on it for it to become
visible?
A: Close.
Q: (T) But, you told us one time that everyone in 4th density
was able to see us?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) Us, not earth. (T) What do they see us on?
A: Able to see you when they choose to.
Q: (J) In other words, they focus on the frequency to see us.
(L) I guess it is like animals in second density. You ride
down the road and don't really see what is around you
unless you focus in on it. (J) Unless you concentrate on
looking for them... (T) Like standing still in a forest and after
a time you can see what is there. (J) It is all according to
perception.
A: Yes, but 4th level is the first one with true variability.

 

[mkrnhr]

"invisible" can perhaps be a useful metaphor for how 4th density focuses on things in their variably physical way

Exactly. Without a broader context, one can reach some unsubstantiated conclusions. Also, on the other hand, with anything unverifiable like 4D reality stuff, one has to be able to entertain the idea without crystallizing a firm belief about it.

 

[seek10]

Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible

I do not know who to believe anymore

You have to be a little careful with keeping the metaphors/symbols separate from reality.

March 4, 1995
Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible.
Q: (J) Huh? (L) What do you mean, invisible?
A: Only visible upon request. Variability of physicality.
Q: (L) Okay, does this mean that to the Lizzies and Orions
the earth is invisible?
A: When they are not thinking about it.
Q: (J) You mean when they are not thinking about it it
doesn't exist? They have to focus on it for it to become
visible?
A: Close.
Q: (T) But, you told us one time that everyone in 4th density
was able to see us?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) Us, not earth. (T) What do they see us on?
A: Able to see you when they choose to.
Q: (J) In other words, they focus on the frequency to see us.
(L) I guess it is like animals in second density. You ride
down the road and don't really see what is around you
unless you focus in on it. (J) Unless you concentrate on
looking for them... (T) Like standing still in a forest and after
a time you can see what is there. (J) It is all according to
perception.
A: Yes, but 4th level is the first one with true variability.

Stefan, It looks me that you took 'Invisibility' out of context and linked it to imagination that looked like 3D wishful thinking. The result sounded like new age word salad. C's comments looked like their natural capacity of 4D bodies. That mayn't be technology. It maybe that 4D body itself capable of wide frequency range perception and shape shifting. For example, It is scientifically proven that Physical dimensions perception is related to mirrored neurons in humans and animals are quite different. Humans is able to distinguish more dimensions. I think it is in those lines.