Session 4 April 2015

Maat said:
Thanks for the session (and the numerous new sessions :) ;) )

sitting said:
Laura said:
(Galatea) What star or constellation are you closest to right now?

A: We ride the Wave and thus are much "closer" than you can imagine. At the same time, imagination is the most direct way to comprehend that we are only a thought away.

Much thanks to Laura and crew, phenomenal session material!

I don't think I've ever seen the word imagination used in that way by the C's. Ever.
And it brought to mind this particular definition from Seth:

Beliefs are thoughts--reinforced by imagination and emotion--about the nature of your reality.

I had always placed emphasis on emotion, but never felt the same about imagination. In fact, in some ways, I felt excessive imagination was dangerous and a thing to avoid. But they are saying otherwise.

I think that what the Cs may be refering to is closer to this concept than the layman meaning of imagination : _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_imagination

Maat,

I think the definition of Active Imagination seems to fit what the Cs are implying about "Imagination". Imagination as they are using it is probably not just fantasies but using a form of active visualization to perceive a closer connection or image of a true reality. Thanks for the informative link. :)
 
Caledonia said:
Yes Ocean this is so:-) But as for the rest of the forum members it looks like they rather make haste to criticize the movie than to make any constructive suggestions.

Apparently you didn't read my comment that has constructive criticism of the free energy torus part.
That's the part that my BS meter goes off on. It sounds very new agey and naive.

I explained that the torus stuff is pseudoscience with no facts behind it. It's just an imagination.
A lot of times these supposed free energy inventions are not properly tested, so they never really happen. Plus, if the idea is for free energy for everyone, why do these inventors hide the plans to the inventions? They claim the patent office may be blocking this, but that is not so. The US patent office doesn't even verifies that something works anymore. That's why a lot of people patented ideas like Amazon's "one click". So, they can go and Patent it if worried that sharing it will make them lose ability to sell it exclusively.

But no, it's all a pipe dream, IMHO.


In the previous message I didn't mention that the movie was lacking the psychopathic analysis, but that too is a tricky thing. How exactly do they expect to change things for the better without addressing the main issue in this world that makes it this way? No, they rather focus on imaginary torus geometry as something that will change things.
 
Palinurus said:
Caledonia said:
Hey people yesterday you gave me the following link ''Thrivedebunked.wordpress.com'' suggesting that the guy behind the resource might be the reliable source of info telling the truth and debunking the thrive movie as pure disinfo and cointelpro. Well i read a few articles there and i must say that this guy is anything but the true guy - debunking the movie he states this:

1. 9/11 was not an inside job and those who claim the opposite are just crazy conspiracy theorists
2. There is no one world government
3. The world is not controlled by a group of predatory banking families
4. Crop circles are all bogus and have nothing to do with some higher forces
5. Federal reserve bank has no bad intentions or any conspiracy to enslave us.

Now you must be kidding by giving me this link suggesting that it is true and debunks the movie.
Do you really think that the guy behind this debunking site is legit? :-) :shock:

All those 'suggestions' are purely on your account, they weren't implied by just giving the link. So, wrong conclusion !

The blog --which is filled by at least two people, I think-- only shows that Thrive can be debunked from different angles -- even from mainstream ones.

No need to take anything from it as gospel or absolute truth, I would say.

Think for yourself, remember ?!

Palinurus,

It really wasn't your post that Caledonia is talking about but who would know since he seldom uses any specific references for anything.
the post is from Vulcan59 https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,37872.210.html .

I did notice that Vulcan59's debunker was not the best and started to reply but became "busy" with other posting and let it drop. Sometimes were just not perfect and that's something we forget I think.

Caledonia,

I at first I felt bad for you but it is also your responsibility for being so general in your posts. All you said was:

Hey people yesterday you gave me the following link ''Thrivedebunked.wordpress.com''

Hey, Caledonia there are a lot of people on this forum, now which one are you trying to talk to?

The ''insert quote button can be your friend. Why not learn how to use it.? :huh:

Mod's note: The link has been activated since it is a direct link to our forum.
 
Castorette said:
Thank you for those quotes goyacobol , I was also poundering about that hyperkinetic sensate. :)
I agree with your feeling, I can see some masks falling away in the high school where I work. Kids, teachers, some days it seems that everybody is crazy.

Castorette,

Thank you for letting me know there was something meaningful in the post. The thoughts are really the thoughts and hints/clues from the Cs so I give them the credit for any "help" provided. It seems like everything might get more "hyperkinetic senate" as we "wait and see". :/ :)
 
We can't compare these times to anything that has happened in the past 300,000 years.

All we have is to understand ourselves, this is all that matters.

My future looks pretty good, to me. The playing field has been leveled, hooray. For now, mostly all are blind to the situation. The sun seems gentle and there are an unprecedented 4 new baby killer whales in the local pod.

The questionable thoughts and banter are draining to read, in this discussion, it seems!
 
loreta Page 18 - Reply #255 said:
A: We ride the Wave and thus are much "closer" than you can imagine. At the same time, imagination is the most direct way to comprehend that we are only a thought away.

Imagination is creativity. I remember now that Marcel Proust said about his creativity, his ideas, his personal vision of his masterpiece and of life, were not from his brain, or mind, or from him. He said that everything was coming from the cosmos, that everything, ideas, projects, creation of something, inventions, everything was already in someplace and the "creator" or us in fact, the humans, can pick it up. It is just a question to be "open", to accept, to listen, to be aware, to give permission to our imagination. It is the words of the C's: "we are only a thought away" that made me think about Proust.

Hi Loreta -

Sorry - I hope I’m not “nit-picking” here — because I think the example you’ve used about Proust creating by using his imagination makes sense — at least as is generally understood by most all of us, including me. So, I’m not dis-agreeing or criticising.

But your post triggered a question in my mind. I was wondering if the phenomenon Proust described in your post could be similar to the art of “channeling”?

The reason I ask is because I looked up the word “imagination” and it seems as if it is describing a somewhat similar, but not exactly the same phenomenon. I really don’t know. I’m actually a little confused about which is which and what’s the connection, if any. I may be mixing up the idea of imagination and daydreaming. I think we do use our imaginations in order to daydream.


But what Proust is describing sounds to me more like he’s tapping into what I might call the “Idea Universe” or “Information Field”. That he is “receiving” information rather than making it up in his own imagination.

But I can’t really say for certain. There may be a connection that I’m just not understanding yet. Ooops! Just had a thought. Might the “channeled” (for want of a better term) information go straight to the imagination mind (right brain) rather than be received by the logical mind? Could that be the connection?

I do know that when I have creative ideas, they also do not seem to me to be ideas I’ve created by my own mind — neither my logical nor my imagination minds. They just seem to come to me from somewhere outside my own mind.

But in order for that to happen, I think we all must be somehow hooked up to that Universe of Ideas and, at certain times, under certain conditions, and possibly in certain mental states, we hear the signal loud and clear.

Just wondering if you have any thoughts about this. Thanks — and Cheers!

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Wikipedia Definition of Imagination:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagination

Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability to form new images and sensations in the mind that are not perceived through senses such as sight, hearing, or other senses.

Imagination helps make knowledge applicable in solving problems and is fundamental to integrating experience and the learning process.

A basic training for imagination is listening to storytelling (narrative), in which the exactness of the chosen words is the fundamental factor to "evoke worlds”. It is a whole cycle of image formation or any sensation which may be described as "hidden" as it takes place without anyone else's knowledge. A person may imagine according to his mood, it may be good or bad depending on the situation. Some people imagine in a state of tension or gloominess in order to calm themselves. It is accepted as the innate ability and process of inventing partial or complete personal realms within the mind from elements derived from sense perceptions of the shared world.

The term is technically used in psychology for the process of reviving in the mind, percepts of objects formerly given in sense perception. Since this use of the term conflicts with that of ordinary language, some psychologists have preferred to describe this process as “imaging” or “imagery” or to speak of it as "reproductive" as opposed to "productive" or "constructive" imagination. Imagined images are seen with the “mind’s eye”.

Imagination can also be expressed through stories such as fairy tales or fantasies. Children often use such narratives and pretend play in order to exercise their imaginations. When children develop fantasy they play at two levels: first, they use role playing to act out what they have developed with their imagination, and at the second level they play again with their make-believe situation by acting as if what they have developed is an actual reality that already exists in narrative myth.
 
Laura said:
MariuszJ said:
Well, it started maybe a month ago. I have never felt so bad before. For no apparent reason I suddenly completely broke down and lost interest in everything. Is it due to the Wave? However, I do not see any significant changes in people around me.

I know how you feel; been there, done that. I keep telling people that the only thing that keeps me going, drives me, is love for kids, group, people in general who are being bamboozled etc. Somebody has to do the research, find the answers, make it available on the chance that it MIGHT help. I can't leave this world without giving everything I've got to solve the problems because I don't want to find myself on "the other side" and seeing that there was something else I might have done.
My girlfriend just broke up with me. I want somebody to kill me.
 
MariuszJ said:
My girlfriend just broke up with me. I want somebody to kill me.

I'm sorry to hear that. Perhaps if you need to talk about it you could start a thread about it, so this thread don't go too much off topic.
:hug2:
 
13 Twirling Triskeles said:

But what Proust is describing sounds to me more like he’s tapping into what I might call the “Idea Universe” or “Information Field”. That he is “receiving” information rather than making it up in his own imagination.

But I can’t really say for certain. There may be a connection that I’m just not understanding yet. Ooops! Just had a thought. Might the “channeled” (for want of a better term) information go straight to the imagination mind (right brain) rather than be received by the logical mind? Could that be the connection?

I do know that when I have creative ideas, they also do not seem to me to be ideas I've created by my own mind — neither my logical nor my imagination minds. They just seem to come to me from somewhere outside my own mind.

I don't have any answers, but I can say that for me it also seems like some kind of channeling when I create something, Though not always. I can create something without it happening, I'm just not as talented as whatever comes through when it happens.
I found at some point that it would usually happen (if it did) not before about 10 hours after starting (meaning when I am exhausted, fingers starting cramping, and a sane person would stop and go to bed)
So I think that it was something like my normal consciousness were falling asleep, so that it didn't stand in the way of whatever this creative inspiration thing is.

Keith Richards heard Satisfaction in a dream, so that might have been the same thing
 
hi all,

WIN 52


Re: Session 4 April 2015
« Reply #165 on: April 08, 2015, 07:50:30 PM »
Something did take place a year ago, which was necessary to bring back some balance. The rest is up to us on an individual basis. The choice to harbor demons or kick them out is ours to make happen, at this time work on self is is paramount to getting rid of these Trojan Horse types of attachments. We are gifted with the predators mind and here is where the battle is fought.

Are we on our own as the human race, without influence from outside, making our own free will choices based upon our nature?

Is the evil still free to come and go as they please or is there some sort of a lock down in place?

WIN 52

Re: Session 4 April 2015
« Reply #274 on: Today at 07:40:29 AM »

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All we have is to understand ourselves, this is all that matters.

My future looks pretty good, to me. The playing field has been leveled, hooray. For now, mostly all are blind to the situation.

hi win 52 interesting thoughts. how do you know this?

what are the things you speak of?

any suggestions is appreciated thanks


hope everyone has a good day :)
 
Mr. Premise said:
Mr. Premise said:
Kika, I don't think there is a "third way" between STS and STO. There may be souls who haven't polarized to one pole or the other but that is not a "way". So the Cs said that for a 3D STO candidate to graduate to 4D they have to be 50% STO and they have to choose the STO pole. Then once in 4D they have to spend a lot of time developing the STO alignment. I think this is where the 1000 year millennium comes in.
Also, STO itself is balanced. Remember the Cs said that they serve self by serving others.

Mr. Premise,
This is my point of view / perspective on STO - STS issues.
 

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Thank you for another session full of Knowledge!

In particular it was very interesting subject to me on a soul "journey" - my previous understanding was a bit primitive so to speak.
 
Bluelamp said:
You have to be a little careful with keeping the metaphors/symbols separate from reality. Just like "imagination" is perhaps a metaphor for something like 6th density quantum entanglement (but not literally so), "invisible" can perhaps be a useful metaphor for how 4th density focuses on things in their variably physical way:

March 4, 1995
Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible.
Q: (J) Huh? (L) What do you mean, invisible?
A: Only visible upon request. Variability of physicality.

Hi Bluelamp,

When they say "Only visible upon request," I take that to mean not simply earth and us humans on it--but the entire 3rd density universe, with it's trillions & trillions of stars and billions & billions of galaxies. All becoming available, accessible in physical form--subject to their manipulation. Materializing in totality--at mere command of their choosing. Wow! That's where my imagination takes me.

All this, on top of their innate 4th density awareness.

But they can't go up--only down. Yet the vastness of this "down" staggers the mind.
Out of nothing but thought ... whenever they feel like it.

Good thing this is within our reach as well, if and when we graduate. No wonder they fear it's emergence.

I often wonder about the tribal unit ... that magical group of 200. Their true abilities I believe are mental, psychic. When such groups exist, what exactly are they thinking about? Or more precisely what are they intending?
Love and light? Some kind of psychic force field?
Maybe aggressive attributes (?) in place of passive and defensive.
Or is it a neutralization practice--negating harmful intentions of intruders.

My intuition says neutralization. That's my guess. It's also very much a Taoist way.
Do no harm to others. But allow no harm to come near.
It's also in line with STO I think.

On another point, can you elaborate more on your phrase "6th density entanglement" a bit more?
Thanks in advance.

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Mod Edit: quote box fixed
 
Sorry, I meant to say "6th density quantum entanglement" instead.

Further by entanglement, do you imply equality of essence, absolute or relative identities, one directional flow of information or mutual exchange, field or particle--or both, or some other, things like that.

Thanks in advance.
 
Stefan said:
Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible

I do not know who to believe anymore

You removed it from the context.


4 March 95 said:
Q: (L) To whom does Jupiter appear as a flaming sun, at what
level?
A: 5, 6, and 7.
Q: (T) What does it look like in 4th?
A: Earth.
Q: (T) Jupiter looks like Earth and Earth looks like Jupiter
in 4th density?
A: No.
Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
A: Invisible.
Q: (J) Huh? (L) What do you mean, invisible?
A: Only visible upon request. Variability of physicality.
Q: (L) Okay, does this mean that to the Lizzies and Orions
the earth is invisible?
A: When they are not thinking about it.
Q: (J) You mean when they are not thinking about it it
doesn't exist? They have to focus on it for it to become
visible?
A: Close.
Q: (T) But, you told us one time that everyone in 4th density
was able to see us?

A: Yes.
Q: (J) Us, not earth. (T) What do they see us on?
A: Able to see you when they choose to.
Q: (J) In other words, they focus on the frequency to see us.
(L) I guess it is like animals in second density. You
ride down the road and don't really see what is around you
unless you focus in on it. (J) Unless you concentrate on
looking for them... (T) Like standing still in a forest
and after a time you can see what is there. (J) It is all
according to perception.
A: Yes, but 4th level is the
first one with true variability.
 

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