Session 4 April 2015

[seeks]

Hi all,

Stefan,what meditation do you do,may i ask?

you have some interesting thoughts

hope you all have a good weekend :)

 

[Stefan]

Remember, the C's said that anticipation restricts. So, I can't speak for the forum, but my issue is that people are stating what will happen, or what exactly the wave is without objective facts.
The C's said that 4d is a state where what we think, we create. Imagine how dangerous that state could be if we don't practice objectivity!

You know, my hobby was cycling and that was what I was doing in my spare time. I cared not about waves or lizards, etc. Years ago I was writing financial related stuff on different blogs and got so much disgusted by the world we live in that one day I just decided to get a bike and just be disconnected from everything. I took my bike to the mountains and never looked back. I practiced breathing for awhile too to free myself from the world somehow mentally.

Until one day, out of the blue, December last year, all hell broke loose. I had some dreams too that preceded the event but never much paid attention to them. Few months back I never had any interest in writing at all, never had any desire to formulate anything constructive in a sentence let alone in English that is not even my native language. My experience felt like a sea wave that threw me somewhere and I didn't know where. I had to pull myself together just to emerge myself to get back to some sense of reality as I was out of touch of it completely.

Objective facts maybe extremely subjective in some cases! Facts are accepted as real when enough consensus is reached to confirm something that cannot even be measured as real. What is objectivity since we don't even know if the C's are telling us the truth about the Wave or not? That is not objectivity, that is faith. Do we have instruments to measure the wave to verify if it's a fact or not? We cannot possibly do that. What are the only options?

Well, and that I am much more interested in learning more about quantum physics, science, the nature of everything and all, the human being and the human connection, the reality as it is, and who we are and where we are. How did my world profoundly changed in 180 degrees? That is the question, so here I am. I cannot claim for certainty that I am a finished (nothing is finished, it is all ongoing process!) product of the wave and I don't meditate at all. My life is a form of meditation and I don't anticipate anything. I am here to express myself. I feel like some people are having the symptoms like mine, but first off, being out of touch of reality is the BIG ONE! Like you felt something is off, maybe?

So I say, the only way to confirm that it is my case or others in my similar situations is to ask the C's. I am aware that my thoughts are manifested as reality in different worlds. But I am not afraid of the 4D sts, whatever they are.

 

[Stefan]

So let's just assume we are all surfer dudes who practice non-anticipation while enjoying riding the wave because learning is fun and all there is is lessons! :) So let's share what we learn and be as much as objective as possible as nothing seems to be real after all.

 

[cubbex]

Hi Laura and the rest I ve been a little busy these days so no posts were given but now that i am free i would like to ask some questions and also share some experiences like some of the people above my post.

Are you a grail keeper? do you know about the grail and you keep it? :P

Kay, just to share my experience of this "wave". I don't think this is about feeling, I can never understand why people put so much emphasis on feeling things. But I still ask myself how is this hiperkinetic sensate going to manifest?

I recent experience I had was that I had one or two, massive, seriously people I felt even an energy on my throath and my chest of so much emotion. I could not control it, I was thankful I was alone at the time. But I havent had a similar experience, it was the most intense emotional burts I didn't chose to have. It just happened. Then my perception of concepts expanded itself very fast.

What I have noticed is that my awareness remains the same in terms of present observations, but my conscience of understanding of things improves faster than ever. Is like I read and meditate, and my mind works not faster like a calculator, it just sees more. Cannot explain it, I am not becoming a genius, is more like concepts are understood faster and unified. Sometimes I get to conclusions that afterwards I read that researchers have shown the same, then I read what they say and I understand more. But all I do is read, meditate, observe. Simple. It comes to a moment where I understand things that first appear complex, but then, they appear mundane like, we have been limited by not understanding some of the most simple concepts out there, and it comes a need to use those understandings to create things. By following this need to change and create things, all sorts of understandings comes easily.

Create new models, new art, improve ways to explain these difficult concepts in simple manners because they are not that difficult after some time. I have found that I get new deep artistic ideas after I do research about something, and then I try to write a lore about it. It almost becomes mystical itself. But cold as it may be, it has no need to feel it behind it.

Maybe that is why those who wait the wave are cooked frogs. The ant and the grasshoper fable. Probably the wave is a tool, and it can give all sorts of images and information, but without previous knowledge this becomes like that noise from TV, it has no shape, it is not tuned. And as far as I understood wasn't the wave a wave of different groups coming to earth?

 

[BHelmet]

next question. How do you make a logical interpretation out of this chaotic state of existence?
next question. The second coming of Christ, the end of times, armageddon, the mayan calendar

Whoa - slow down- lots of questions, yes. On the first one, how about this: we have always lived in a state of chaos - it is just becoming more apparent now. We were blind to the state of chaos and now it is becoming obvious. All of a sudden we 'see' what is in the water with us, but the sharks have always been there in the water with us all along!

next question, if we have this capability, we may like it, we may WANT to enjoy it by playing with it and of course, eat it! 4D STS! even if we originally were 4D STOs then some, if not most of us, will become sts. Just like Adam and Eve, and our 3D STO world that is no longer. But now, it's the transition time to move forward to 4D. We have to become all of us STO again

A note on this: I always assumed the option was to move to 4D STO but in reviewing the material I think it is not. It is just 4D we can graduate to but there are still a '1000 years' of lessons in order to choose our orientation. The 'lizzies' would not try to overtake us in 4D if we were not still vulnerable to another sales job and available, in some way, for them to interact with us.

next question, ... I can quite speculate here, but we must have faith.

I think maybe you have answered your own problem of so many questions.The C's encourage us to dig inside and think and observe. The answer to all the speculative questions may be faith - faith that the answers are there and accessible inside you. And if you are open to learn, the answers will come.

 

[goyacobol]

Well thanks a lot for all of your answers. But still i have a few questions here.

1. If the so called holy fire is bogus and i firmly believe that it is so then how do they do this trick? Ever wondered ? One can say that this or that is bogus and even if that is truly bogus one must be able to prove that it is or at least some hypothesis. I for one know for sure that it is so but how do they do it now that is the 64 000 dollar question
Do you know that?

1. This is a question. But if you firmly believe that the so called holy fire is bogus then why can't you tell us why you believe this (question)?

2. Thanks a lot i AM doing my work. And watch the movies too sometimes because as they say all work and no play .....you know Well the movie might be a cointelpro but the fact that it makes no mention of the psychopathy doesn't make it one too. Admit it. And as for debunking i already noticed that they have an agenda of sidetracking some of the good researchers too. And this movie tells the truth albeit not all at once. Zeitgeist for example would be more of a propaganda in this case than Thrive imho.

2. This is not a question.

3. As for the sex drive and spirituality i agree that they may have no connection but that is just my own observation and it mightmean anything but i only presumed it could be well connected with the wave being here already. and i dont'think that sex is dirty i just feel right now that our life is not about it 99% as many think and this status gives me the astonishing clarity in meditations and insights

3. This is not a question.

My point is you only had 1 question for which you already had an opinion for which you gave no reason. Indeed!

 

[BHelmet]

OK, I am no goyacobol when it comes to dredging up C's quotes, but here is an attempt to add some clarity to some of the ongoing discussion.

1. A: Catch 22: One half is that you have to change your assumptions in order to experience the wave in a positive way.

This pertains to what and how people are experiencing these early manifestations of the wave. No two people are going to experience the wave in the same way since no two people are going to have exactly the same set of assumptions or be in exactly the same place on the learning curve. So, to project your personal experiences as universal is always a huge mistake. (I have learned this the 'hard way')

2. A: Your realm is created by your ability to understand it. The wave comes as so many seek "graduation." (!)
Q: Are you saying that we are actually, in a sense, creating the wave?
A: And vice versa.

So there is a bidirectional signal or differential as has been noted in earlier discussions. Due to the subjective nature of human experience, it may be impossible to say with absolute objectivity, "THIS is what god hath wrought".

Q: If, at 4th density, there is variability of physicality, and the Lizzies, as you have previously said, are engineering new bodies for themselves to occupy in some sort of mass transition at the time of this realm border crossing; in this state of variability of physicality, why do they need to engineer new bodies for themselves? Why, in point of fact, are Lizzies, Lizzies? Why do they look like Lizards?
A: They do not.

I would like to point out that the question above answered by the C's was about what the Lizzies look like. They dodged the question about the Lizzy strategy. I don't think that thread was picked back up.

A: Realm borders ride waves.

So, given our woefully deficient and distorted 3D understanding and perception of time, there must be an undetermined significant lag, for lack of a better term, between the arrival of the wave and the realm border.

BTW, goyacobol, if you want to assist with this, it would be greatly appreciated. I am not looking for a zillion words of context, just the pithy, nitty-gritty quotes about the wave scenario/phenomenon. Compressed version. An MP3, if you will.

 

[loreta]

Now, I am not sure which is worse "Wait and See" or seeing. I have followed many of the puzzle pieces for years thinking even those pieces are enough for people to pay attention but here we are on the brink and most seem to sleep on.

I don't know about you but what I "see" is almost what I have been waiting to see. I am sorry to say that in a way. I guess we cling to hope but clinging too tightly is really "wishful thinking" sometimes. I choose to see reality left and right but it ain't easy. :(

Well, more or less often, I tend to descend into wishful thinking as a kind of "hope". Whether it goes: "I hope, the Cs and SOTT etc. are wrong", or: "maybe more people are aware than I assume right now". On the other hand, I do encounter people acknowledging that something is really off or something like this. I perceive this as having become more frequent especially since last year. My mother senses something wrong since three years or so, and stated it to me on several occasions. Last summer, one of my friends (whom I regard being a highly sensitive one) stated to me: "I have the sensation, that something really wicked this way comes and things will get really ugly." Then, an acquaintance recently stated: "I feel, we are in much more of a transition stage than we used to be at the time when the wall in Germany came down and the Soviet union broke apart. I just can't assess, what is really going on right now. But I sense, it is something really profound." This was on Thursday, 2nd of April, just before the recent session!

Then, sometimes, it is me who doesn't want to acknowledge what is going on. That part of me which is complacent and lazy. That part of me, which still is being influenced by denial - the main reason probably being a "protection" against seeing the full horror of the situation. However, following SOTT nowadays and now also hearing people in my life talking as described above, makes it easier to acknowledge things on a more cognitive level for me than before - "seeing", indeed. It makes it also easier to share with others, as they start opening up in one way or the other in accepting information, which deviates from official "consensus". This is, where "hope" may have at least some objective foundation - at least with some people. But well, all the others... Many do not even have access to such information - people who have to look how to survive day after day, as they live in war-torn or slum areas, for example. And many who have access whether have not been exposed to relevant information yet or they choose to keep their blindfold. In this case, it is more of something like a "wait and see" for me - maybe many more people will remove their blinders, especially as the Wave is unfolding gradually. Or the Wave may "wash off" the blinders in many cases....

So, for me, it is a process of "seeing" (like in gradually acknowledging more and more and acting accordingly) and a process of "wait and see" regarding all the others at the same time. One evening I have been very sad too, considering all the others who continue to live in denial and just continue living as usual. On the other hand I thought, if it is their choice, then so be it. As sad and unfortunate as it is... :(
Here I remember a metaphor with which Laura's work has been compared (I think, it was on a SOTT article): like being a little bird holding up its tiny legs against the sky, which impends to fall upon the head of all the other beings. "Seeing" this and seeing as well, how to help strengthen the legs of this little bird and/or showing the other beings, how to protect their heads (in case they are aware of the impendent danger), is part of the "wait and see" process for me as well. As long as the "bird" asks for assistance, there is still a chance of people becoming aware - if they ask for help. That is what gives me "hope" (or however you may term it)... FWIW

Learner,

I think that it is good to know what you "see" since my experience so far has been much less detection of people noticing the events happening. I do remember last week my brother-in-law, who happens to be a policeman, saying something that showed a bit of awareness that all is not well on planet earth (just don't remember his exact words or topic). I do try to notice if others are sensing changes but so far it's a bit slow. That doesn't keep me from having "hope" either even when it is not clear exactly why. I think it is largely due to our networking so we can encourage each other. By ourselves it is difficult to plod along I think. Just having a sense of purpose or usefulness to others makes it worth holding on for their sake and not just for myself.

Thanks for sharing the above. :)

Some 10 years ago I remember I was in a book store and the librarian said to me: "This can not continue like this. Something have to happen." I agreed with her. But I was not aware at all of the implications, it means nothing to feel that something is wrong. It was just after meeting Sott.net and reading about psychopathy that awareness came, gradually and this awareness is something that grow, and grow. Without this network I was not seeing correctly. In fact I was seeing the wrong things, as the majority of people. People say always: something is wrong but since eternity something is wrong we can not change anything. It is a very religious thing to say that misery is a fact that exist since the beginning of the times and that misery will be always here. So give us money to help misery. Seeing means understanding, and for that you need a network and a good one. :)

 

[goyacobol]

Hi Laura and the rest I ve been a little busy these days so no posts were given but now that i am free i would like to ask some questions and also share some experiences like some of the people above my post.

Are you a grail keeper? do you know about the grail and you keep it? :P

Kay, just to share my experience of this "wave". I don't think this is about feeling, I can never understand why people put so much emphasis on feeling things. But I still ask myself how is this hiperkinetic sensate going to manifest?

I recent experience I had was that I had one or two, massive, seriously people I felt even an energy on my throath and my chest of so much emotion. I could not control it, I was thankful I was alone at the time. But I havent had a similar experience, it was the most intense emotional burts I didn't chose to have. It just happened. Then my perception of concepts expanded itself very fast.

What I have noticed is that my awareness remains the same in terms of present observations, but my conscience of understanding of things improves faster than ever. Is like I read and meditate, and my mind works not faster like a calculator, it just sees more. Cannot explain it, I am not becoming a genius, is more like concepts are understood faster and unified. Sometimes I get to conclusions that afterwards I read that researchers have shown the same, then I read what they say and I understand more. But all I do is read, meditate, observe. Simple. It comes to a moment where I understand things that first appear complex, but then, they appear mundane like, we have been limited by not understanding some of the most simple concepts out there, and it comes a need to use those understandings to create things. By following this need to change and create things, all sorts of understandings comes easily.

Create new models, new art, improve ways to explain these difficult concepts in simple manners because they are not that difficult after some time. I have found that I get new deep artistic ideas after I do research about something, and then I try to write a lore about it. It almost becomes mystical itself. But cold as it may be, it has no need to feel it behind it.

Maybe that is why those who wait the wave are cooked frogs. The ant and the grasshoper fable. Probably the wave is a tool, and it can give all sorts of images and information, but without previous knowledge this becomes like that noise from TV, it has no shape, it is not tuned. And as far as I understood wasn't the wave a wave of different groups coming to earth?

Prometeo,

I appreciate the Grail Keeper humor but I'll to get your question. Mostly I notice you didn't think the Wave was about feeling but then you mentioned how you "felt" energy in your throat etc. I think the Wave is a lot about "feeling" and being "hyperkinetic sensate".

Here are some quotes about the Wave:

Session 3 December 1994

Q: (L) What does this wave consist of in terms of energy?
A: Feeling.
Q: (L) This wave is feeling? It is a wave of emotion?
A: Hyperkinetic sensate.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: All.
Q: (L) We don't understand
A: Too complex for this medium.

And another description with more detail here:

Session 28 November 2009

L) On all of them. Put it on all of them. Okay, so now you say that we have taken steps towards joy. The joy of a new world.

A: The wave is coming, you are teaching people to surf it instead of being dragged under and out to stormy seas.

Q: (L) You once said that the wave was something like "hyperkinetic sensate". And I've often wondered if that means that it's something that massively amplifies whatever is inside an individual? And if that were the case and they were full of a lot of unpleasant, painful, miserable feelings, repressed and suppressed thoughts and so forth, and something that was hyperkinetic sensate amplified all of that, what would it do to that individual? I mean, can you imagine any of us in our worst state of feeling yucky and then having that amplified a bazillion times? If it was bad stuff inside you, you would implode!

A: Soul smashing!

Q: (L) So it is really important for people to go through this process of cleansing to prepare themselves for that?

A: Yes, then they will "rise up with wings as eagles"!

Q: (L) So even people who - or maybe particularly people who - engage in a great deal of what Lobaczewski called "selection and substitution", there is some part of their rational mind that knows what the truth is, but because it's not acceptable to their peer group, or their social milieu, or their background and upbringing to accept that truth, they repress and suppress it and explain things to themselves in other ways. But they still know the truth. What would it be like if you have all of this suppressed, twisted truth locked up inside you that you never allowed yourself to look at and acknowledge?

(Ark) But you see this is not a separate phenomenon because when there is this amplification, there are these fears that you said, they will also explode. So the individual will be able to... the little devil will become the big devil, so it will be easier to choose, because, you know, choices will be amplified. It's not just little dark here, little this there - it's hard to choose - but they will have to decide this time where to go, and the decision will be...

(L) Extremely painful.

(Ark) It will be painful, but on the other hand, it will be clear.

(C******) But what if you're so overwhelmed it isn't clear?

(L) What if your fear is so big that...

(C******) You're blinded?

(Ark) Well, then you are lost.

(L) I mean, people that believe lies against all evidence are the ones that really baffle me. I mean, they don't baffle me in the sense that I don't understand why they do it, because I understand the psychological and brain mechanism, and I understand that's it been thousands of years, little by little, gradually, pathologically encroaching until now we live in this world where it's just literally -everything is dirty - it's just really horrible. And I can't imagine what... I mean, what about a psychopath? What about a psychopath who doesn't have emotions? How is a hyperkinetic sensate {wave} going to affect a psychopath?

A: They do have a sort of "emotion". Hunger for darkness.

Q: (L) So what it is an amplified hunger for darkness?

(A******) More darkness.
(L) But what would it do if it were amplified in that way?

(Allen) Ravenous!

(L) They'd devour themselves, wouldn't they?

A: More or less. What do you do when at your center there is a big empty hole?

Q: (Ark) But I can see how it's gonna happen. You see separately, there are these psychopaths. At the same time, there are a lot of people who are becoming very unstable. There are a lot of people who go completely crazy, that psychopaths can see something is happening - new opportunity, right? So, new victims. "They're mine!" "No, they're MINE!" And so psychopaths will start to fight with each other.

(L) Because they're more and more hungry. And then their masks will fall away, and people will see them for what they are.

A: Yes

Q: (L) It's gonna be ugly. But, we are embarked upon a new world. Okay, somebody else's turn to ask questions.

For now, I think this is enough to think about but that is just how I "feel" right now. :)

 

[Stefan]

A: Yes, then they will "rise up with wings as eagles"!

Thank you, brother!! This is exactly the 'feeling' one is having after surviving 'the wave' or whatever that is! So I say, ok, bring me a next one I want to ride! :)

 

[Miss.K]

2. Thanks a lot i AM doing my work. And watch the movies too sometimes because as they say all work and no play .....you know Well the movie might be a cointelpro but the fact that it makes no mention of the psychopathy doesn't make it one too. Admit it. And as for debunking i already noticed that they have an agenda of sidetracking some of the good researchers too. And this movie tells the truth albeit not all at once. Zeitgeist for example would be more of a propaganda in this case than Thrive imho.

I'm not sure how you draw the conclusion that we think the movie is bogus because it makes no mention of psychopathy.

It is not because of that I think it is bogus, many movies that tell the truth don't mention psychopathy.
InThrive, there are a few truths, but they are weaved in with a lot of lies, and for people who haven't done a lot of work on discerning what is truth and what is lie, they won't be able to tell what is what.

For example they talk a lot about this free energy thing, but no one has made a free energy machine, or knows how to make one. But still they talk about it as if it is something that we can just do, and then all will be free and all will be happy and saved. To me that seems like the typical bogus religion. There is a thing or a God that will make all OK if you just believe in it, but when one looks a little into what the "God" is, it turns out to be an illusion.

As far as I remember there was also David Icke talked about reptiles in the movie, I don't know if you are familiar with him. I don't know that much about him, but whenever I see him and hear him talk, my impression is that he is one of those teachers, who don't have any self restrain, and just follow their ego, and if one wants to be a 4D STS, then a teacher that just goes with ego would be a good thing I guess, but here I think most people are trying to work on themselves and their ego, in order to get the understanding and self restrain that is required to have a chance to become 4D STO (or at least be 3D leaning towards STO) So teachers like that are not recommended here.

Then there was the whole banking, and (I forgot their name, those 2 families that owns the world) and sure there were truths, but when talking about that, this is where psychopathy is important, in order to get real information about what happens, and as they don't talk about that, to me that seems as if they either didn't do their homework before making a film about it, or that they deliberately omitted it because they are on their payroll.

So I'm left with no memory of anything useful from that movie, and thus think it is bogus.

 

[seeks]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the interesting sessions,i always can get suggestions, reminders and always feel good when reading them. Thanks to each and everyone who puts in so much time energy and thoughtfulness into the sessions and everything in general.

I hope everyone can have faith and believe in ourselves.

Stefan thanks for the timely replies,it reminded me about how much Joy, Happiness and Laughter we can have in our lives,and in those who we interact with,if we just breathe and live in the moment and enjoy each and every day.

Stefan said ""So I say, the only way to confirm that it is my case or others in my similar situations is to ask the C's".

Lighter and lighter as in raising your frequency?

MariuszJ ,i have had similar thoughts also recently that felt like they werent mine,things to think about.

I need to practice non-anticipation and be as objective as possible, surfer dudes sounds cool.

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A: Yes, then they will "rise up with wings as eagles"!


I Love wedge tailed eagles,have some tshirts of them.


hope everyone has a good day and thankyou brother :)

 

[Oxajil]

I have done the breathing program and it works wonders! I don't have to do it anymore, I am only here to share my experiences with you. And possibly raise more awareness that there is nothing to be afraid of but to embrace the upcoming changes and let it be.

My only concern is how to be financially and economically sustainable to wait the events out. That is my only concern.

Hi Stefan,

I'm not sure how much you pay strict attention to "objective reality right and left", but if you do, every day, I cannot understand how you can write that you will "wait the events out" and "embrace the upcoming changes and let it be". Do the actions of many psychopathic individuals that have caused so much suffering and pain in this world not move you to do more than you are doing now? If your only concern is your own situation, it is a very limited way of looking at things. I'm not saying that you do not matter, and that you shouldn't be making preparations for an economic collapse, I'm just saying that there are other people too, and that by sharing information on social media, sharing information on our blogs, or writing articles about the chaos on this world, could possibly help others as well. Wouldn't you think it makes more sense to share the truth of what's going on and what is likely to happen, rather than to tell them to calm down and help them dissociate?

 

[Stefan]

Q: (L) So even people who - or maybe particularly people who - engage in a great deal of what Lobaczewski called "selection and substitution", there is some part of their rational mind that knows what the truth is, but because it's not acceptable to their peer group, or their social milieu, or their background and upbringing to accept that truth, they repress and suppress it and explain things to themselves in other ways. But they still know the truth. What would it be like if you have all of this suppressed, twisted truth locked up inside you that you never allowed yourself to look at and acknowledge?

~ A lot of people are like that too, It's a sad story, everywhere. Everybody today needs evidence, objective realities, measurements, stats, some lab data, instruments, hard scientific evidence, etc. But in fact, if you had unlocked all this truth inside you that you never allowed yourself to look at and acknowledge it to only find out you are all alone, and no one believes you because technically speaking, you cannot provide any hard scientific evidence of your truth due to the fact you cannot measure yourself by any technology, but by the peer group to which you belong that decides what you problems is. The bigger the group is...learn humility! The truth is, it is to learn humility towards others! All there is is lessons.

The psychopaths eat and they are always hungry, the petty tyrants, but we need them to learn humility!

 

[Stefan]

I'm not saying that you do not matter, and that you shouldn't be making preparations for an economic collapse, I'm just saying that there are other people too, and that by sharing information on social media, sharing information on our blogs, or writing articles about the chaos on this world, could possibly help others as well. Wouldn't you think it makes more sense to share the truth of what's going on and what is likely to happen, rather than to tell them to calm down and help them dissociate?

I am doing it on other workgroup forums but you know the result ~ 'conspiracy theorist, what is your evidence? why are you fearmongering, life is good, what is your problem?' kind of mentality with people, even thought I'd spent enough time and energy in 2006 to warn people for the upcoming financial collapse, but to no avail. I just keep trying to engage some critical thinking. People are so selfish. Stock market is up, unemployment is low, GDP is growing, everything is honky-dory. Everything else is a conspiracy theory that should not be taken account for, ever.