Session 4 April 2015

[sitting]

Sitting,
How is resignation a negative thing when the conditions become so bad that it requires almost inhuman competition to survive?

I used the phrase "somewhat dangerous mindset" within the context of the C's recent remarks. Remarks meant to encourage advancement. Remarks such as "faith in process."

Taking away that particular context, "resignation" by itself is not negative at all. It's simply a choice. One among many. And I would be the last person to cast judgment regarding it.

I hope this makes things clear.

 

[sitting]

therefore, does not necessarily have to reincarnate in a land with red sky, as you describe,

But that wasn't my description. It was the C's description.

 

[cubbex]

therefore, does not necessarily have to reincarnate in a land with red sky, as you describe,

But that wasn't my description. It was the C's description.

You still don't get it, is not about the description but the situation. If a common human being that is, a man who knows only what our "great" institutions teach to us, he will reincarnate into a destroyed planet, probably because he knows no better.

It is about the situation, the concept says that not all need to reincarnate in what was described to Laura.

 

[riclapaz]

therefore, does not necessarily have to reincarnate in a land with red sky, as you describe,

But that wasn't my description. It was the C's description.

It is important to remember that the context of each session, plays an important role in the interpretation of the answers given to Laura, for the Cs, I liked this said by the Cs, it could be useful to better understand::

"If one has the will of a Lion, one does not have the fate of a mouse!"

I recommend sitting , when using words spoken by Cs, make an appropriate endorsement, this by confusion, mainly with new people.

Thank You

 

[Mr. Premise]

I am moving on with my activities! I have got a temporary job. My girlfriend did not break up with me only she is so depressed that she is unwilling to go out with me. Sitting back should be avoided now! I shall try soon to study at university. We have a chance to achieve something important if we try, so do not lose hope.

I'm glad things are looking up for you now, Mariusz. I was worried about you for a while, there.

 

[SeekinTruth]

I am moving on with my activities! I have got a temporary job. My girlfriend did not break up with me only she is so depressed that she is unwilling to go out with me. Sitting back should be avoided now! I shall try soon to study at university. We have a chance to achieve something important if we try, so do not lose hope.

That's great to hear. Congrats on the temp job. :)

 

[Nienna]

The problem with the stop over at 5th is just that. A stop over.

What follows is another cycle of reincarnation. Another long string of lives filled with difficult lessons. In an earth environment where the sky is red with comet dust, howling winds, and who knows what. Not exactly a refuge.

I see no problem with having a stop at 5D, there posibildad have been there already for several reincarnations, if the higher is ready to advance to the next level, 4D, would only be temporary, as reincarnated, to end an incarnation, he keeps everything learned, therefore, does not necessarily have to reincarnate in a land with red sky, as you describe, there are many planets in this universe, the soul would you choose what would that more learning you can bestow, according to their level of learning and lessons, could be similar to how schools are managed here on earth, if you are enrolled in the third grade, and for some reason have to change schools, you find another school to continue the course of third degree, you do not lose the knowledge they had acquired, continuous learning.

Just a couple of things.

Here is a definition of "resigned" and is what I took it to mean:

characterized by or indicative of resignation.

And following to resignation:

an accepting, unresisting attitude, state, etc.; submission; acquiescence:
to meet one's fate with resignation.

In other words, meeting one's fate with acceptance. I see no negative connotation with this. I wanted to get that out there since there is some "concern" about being resigned to a situation.

This is something, I, too, have. I am accepting of whatever my fate is. And, as has been said in many a movie, "Death is only the beginning." ;)

Also, going to 5D does not mean we will come back to 3D. Those in 4D also recycle to 5D and back again. At least, that is what the Cs say. Densities 1 - 4 recycle. Only after that is there no reason for the periodic recycling.

From what the Cs have said, what determines what density we end up in is our awareness. How aware we are of objective reality and ourselves.

Also, if I come back to 3D because I am not aware enough, or, maybe, I'm an organic portal and not yet ready to go to 4D, so what? All I can do - and want to do - is become a better human being who is capable of seeing things as they truly are. If it takes me another thousand reincarnations to do that - so be it. I have no clue if I will graduate to 4D and I think it's presumptuous to think that one is for sure. I think that wanting to go to 4D is something that a lot of people wish for, but to have that as the reason for Working on oneself, rather than doing the Work for the sake of becoming a better person, is a bit STS-ish - and I know that this is the state we all live in at this time, but don't we want to be STO-candidates?

Anyways, just some thoughts.

 

[Adobe]

Well said Nienna and thank you.

 

[nicklebleu]

I think that wanting to go to 4D is something that a lot of people wish for, but to have that as the reason for Working on oneself, rather than doing the Work for the sake of becoming a better person, is a bit STS-ish - and I know that this is the state we all live in at this time, but don't we want to be STO candidates?

I am not sure whether the wish to attain 4D is necessarily STS-ish.

I think it is normal to set yourself goals, things you'd like to achieve. To reach 4D requires us to understand our present existence in a fundamental way, to strip away the lies, mechanicalness and illusions that buffer our being. For that I need to be more aware of our true existence, and if I am more aware of that, this should bring myself in alignment with becoming "a better person", that means helping others that truly ask to assist them in progressing themselves.

"A better person" for me is a somewhat loaded term, with a religious flavor. "More awareness" seems to me to be a better description.

As usual the devil is in the detail - depends how we set a goal. I think one can set a goal, but with non-anticipation, something that eventually- whenever - will be the desired outcome. So doing the work for the purpose of reaching 4D doesn't necessarily seem to me to be a "bad" thing. It becomes bad when we try to force the issue, or try to set ourselves time constraints for reaching the goal. Or drown ourselve in the delusion of what we have or haven't yet achieved.

Ultimately I want to progress, and the next milestone to reach would be 4D. When and how I'll reach that goal is open.

Nienna, you probably mean the same thing, but thought I'd like to clarify that, mostly for my own elucidation. But maybe I'm wrong.

 

[luc]

Also, if I come back to 3D because I am not aware enough, or, maybe, I'm an organic portal and not yet ready to go to 4D, so what? All I can do - and want to do - is become a better human being who is capable of seeing things as they truly are. If it takes me another thousand reincarnations to do that - so be it. I have no clue if I will graduate to 4D and I think it's presumptuous to think that one is for sure. I think that wanting to go to 4D is something that a lot of people wish for, but to have that as the reason for Working on oneself, rather than doing the Work for the sake of becoming a better person, is a bit STS-ish - and I know that this is the state we all live in at this time, but don't we want to be STO-candidates?

Yes, thank you Nienna. Another thing to consider connected to this: My current understanding is that 4D will not be a "paradise" of people sitting under trees enjoying the wonders of life, but if anything, there will be more work, more intense lessons, more duties, more chores, more struggles... Kind of like the different levels in the Work: The better we become, the more is demanded, and the more difficult our lessons. At the same time, reality changes, possibilities change, perspective changes. So I think if we say we truly want to "graduate" to 4D, we should be willing to make it happen here, get to Work now, tackle our most frightening lessons, get dirty while working on giving everything for others, and yes - be prepared to die trying. That's where "resignation" or "acceptance" of 5D as a real possibility comes into it, osit. Living that way is far from easy though. FWIW

 

[Deleted member 4320]

Also, if I come back to 3D because I am not aware enough, or, maybe, I'm an organic portal and not yet ready to go to 4D, so what? All I can do - and want to do - is become a better human being who is capable of seeing things as they truly are. If it takes me another thousand reincarnations to do that - so be it. I have no clue if I will graduate to 4D and I think it's presumptuous to think that one is for sure. I think that wanting to go to 4D is something that a lot of people wish for, but to have that as the reason for Working on oneself, rather than doing the Work for the sake of becoming a better person, is a bit STS-ish - and I know that this is the state we all live in at this time, but don't we want to be STO-candidates?

Yes, thank you Nienna. Another thing to consider connected to this: My current understanding is that 4D will not be a "paradise" of people sitting under trees enjoying the wonders of life, but if anything, there will be more work, more intense lessons, more duties, more chores, more struggles... Kind of like the different levels in the Work: The better we become, the more is demanded, and the more difficult our lessons. At the same time, reality changes, possibilities change, perspective changes. So I think if we say we truly want to "graduate" to 4D, we should be willing to make it happen here, get to Work now, tackle our most frightening lessons, get dirty while working on giving everything for others, and yes - be prepared to die trying. That's where "resignation" or "acceptance" of 5D as a real possibility comes into it, osit. Living that way is far from easy though. FWIW

I think the most important are decisions that are made and whether the decisions are consistent with our higher beings or not (we have to find it). For some hard work will be an affliction to others ecstasy.

 

[Nienna]

I think that wanting to go to 4D is something that a lot of people wish for, but to have that as the reason for Working on oneself, rather than doing the Work for the sake of becoming a better person, is a bit STS-ish - and I know that this is the state we all live in at this time, but don't we want to be STO candidates?

I am not sure whether the wish to attain 4D is necessarily STS-ish.

I think it is normal to set yourself goals, things you'd like to achieve. To reach 4D requires us to understand our present existence in a fundamental way, to strip away the lies, mechanicalness and illusions that buffer our being. For that I need to be more aware of our true existence, and if I am more aware of that, this should bring myself in alignment with becoming "a better person", that means helping others that truly ask to assist them in progressing themselves.

"A better person" for me is a somewhat loaded term, with a religious flavor. "More awareness" seems to me to be a better description.

We are sort of saying the same thing. For me a better person has nothing to do with "religion" in the monotheistic terms of religions we have today such as Judaism, Islam, Christianity, etc. And, actually, I didn't think of religion at all until you brought it up. But, if you think of "religion" in the sense of Paleochristianity, or FOTCM, then, yes, I think it would fit in there.

What I consider a better person is what you wrote above, learning about our programs and how to get them under control, helping others who have asked and trying to learn what asking really is, seeing things as they are and not how I want them to be, etc.

You say that to reach 4D requires us to understand our present existence...and so on. Yes, that is so. But how many people think they actually have to do that to reach 4D? I would say that quite a few people already think they are there because they are into the Love and Light schtik, or that they are just fine the way they are and will pretend to be doing the Work - they don't care about really becoming a "better person" and so on. Hope I'm not complicating things more.

As usual the devil is in the detail - depends how we set a goal. I think one can set a goal, but with non-anticipation, something that eventually- whenever - will be the desired outcome. So doing the work for the purpose of reaching 4D doesn't necessarily seem to me to be a "bad" thing. It becomes bad when we try to force the issue, or try to set ourselves time constraints for reaching the goal. Or drown ourselve in the delusion of what we have or haven't yet achieved.

Ultimately I want to progress, and the next milestone to reach would be 4D. When and how I'll reach that goal is open.

Nienna, you probably mean the same thing, but thought I'd like to clarify that, mostly for my own elucidation. But maybe I'm wrong.

Yes, I agree. See above.

 

[sitting]

You still don't get it, is not about the description but the situation.

Hi Prometeo,

I'm not really sure what it is you're referring to that I'm not getting. Please explain further.
I really do want to get to the bottom of it.

Thanks in advance

 

[Nienna]

Hope I'm not complicating things more.

Okay, Nickelbleu, not to keep , but the reason I originally wrote what I wrote is because after reading Laura's works, I realized there was a way to become a better person and was excited to try to become a better person through the Work. My reason for doing this was not so that I could graduate to 4D, but for the simple reason of becoming a better person through the Work. I am not trying to get something for doing this Work, but to be a better person in being able to help others, see what is really being asked for not being so STS-ish, etc.

I hope this clears it up.

 

[cubbex]

You still don't get it, is not about the description but the situation.

Hi Prometeo,

I'm not really sure what it is you're referring to that I'm not getting. Please explain further.
I really do want to get to the bottom of it.

Thanks in advance

I will quote ricapaz, he explained it better

therefore, does not necessarily have to reincarnate in a land with red sky, as you describe,

But that wasn't my description. It was the C's description.

It is important to remember that the context of each session, plays an important role in the interpretation of the answers given to Laura, for the Cs, I liked this said by the Cs, it could be useful to better understand

In a sense, and in the context. If Laura would have committed suicide, she would have the fate described. But he answer to day might be different. What if the cs' described such scenario just to get in the idea of a broken future on the planet? but not necessarily because Laura or any human is forced to reincarnate in such scenario.

So how do scientist call it? correlation does not imply causation.