Session 4 April 2015

[Ðekel]

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I have resigned myself to accepting going to 5D and contemplating the next step but of course as you say going from 3D to 4D may be possible for many.
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goyacobol, what could you contemplate there that you could not contemplate here / now ?

transientP,

I just meant to say most of us probably don't know what all the lessons we need to learn may be. If I am fortunate enough to have learned all my 3D lessons then the next step would be 4D. While living under the veil of 3D we see very dimly. I think at least in 5D you see your past lives clearly. If I have more to learn from 3D then the coming events may prove to be the death of many of us or the completion of our lessons or both.

It's a subject that may seem morose but the Cs do talk about 5D in this session after answering a question about the crash of the Air France plane:

Q: (L) Questions? (J) What caused the destruction of the Air France flight?

A: Cometary explosion of the Tunguska variety though higher and a bit smaller.

Q: (L) Well, that's what we said in the beginning. Around here that's what I was saying, although there were some people who were doubting me, and saying "impossible!" (Ark) No. (L) Yes! (Ark) Improbable. (L) Well you said it was probability zero, and I said it was nonzero. (Ark) Probability that we meet was zero! (An**) Do the authorities know about this and are they trying to cover it up?

A: Some do.

Q: (J) What a way to go... all of a sudden. (L) But I guess if you're going to go out in a blaze of glory, that's the way to do it. (Ar**) It's the quickest way.

A: A ticket to 5D naturally! They chose the exit at some level. The days will come when the dead seem blessed.

Q: (Discussion of grim answer)

A: For some.

Q: (Ar***) Are they talking about in the next 20 years?

A: Less.

Q: (Ar**) Oh god... (Alenl) In the next year?

A: Five.

Q: (Ar**) So what's going to happen in the next five years that's going to be worse?

A: Wait and see!

I am not saying 5D is my next step or for anyone else. It is just one possibility for "some". Since I don't see everything ahead, I just keep the possibility open. I can contemplate many things here and now and this is one that I have given some thought. It is the clear vision of the next step that is necessary if we are to have any input into the process. I suppose we may just have to "wait and see".

I understand. You have accepted this as a possibility.
Initially the words "I have resigned myself.." stood out to me as possibly bearing a finality to them.

As for the process, every path is only taken once.
What works for one doesn't necessarily work for another.
I agree about staying open to possibilities.
Non-restriction is a good idea IMO.

 

[Divide by Zero]

A: A ticket to 5D naturally! They chose the exit at some level. The days will come when the dead seem blessed.

Q: (Discussion of grim answer)

Thinking of all the disaster films that I have seen, especially "The Road", to survivd during the climate chaos will be exhausting. Finding or harvesting resources will be difficult. It may even even be cursed where the survivors just end up fighting over and over for whatever scarce clean water is left after the nuke plants melt down due to not having the grid to keep the storage pools cool.

In that case, I would echo what Goyacobol said... the stop over at 5d would be much better than battling to just survive. At that point we learn that surviving is not worth it when it requires fierce competition.

 

[sitting]

A: A ticket to 5D naturally! They chose the exit at some level. The days will come when the dead seem blessed.
Q: (Discussion of grim answer)

I would echo what Goyacobol said... the stop over at 5d would be much better than battling to just survive. At that point we learn that surviving is not worth it when it requires fierce competition.

The problem with the stop over at 5th is just that. A stop over.

What follows is another cycle of reincarnation. Another long string of lives filled with difficult lessons. In an earth environment where the sky is red with comet dust, howling winds, and who knows what. Not exactly a refuge.

I think this line of thought (resignation) is a somewhat dangerous mindset. And a bit surprising in view of what we've learned together--through Laura's efforts--for so many years. The recent sessions are clearly meant to be uplifting. You're all doing well they said. Keep faith with one another. Help is on the way. Can't get more clear than that I think.

Remember also that to receive such help, one must ask. Higher STO forces will not (indeed cannot) grant such without permission. This point has to be kept in mind. And it relates to intention. Intention to ask and intention to be ready to receive. Done with humility & sincerity. And with a sense of optimism. But above all, with clarity.

And knowing that regardless of what happens to the individual, the whole is being made whole. There's great comfort in that.

FWIW.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Well, a stop over in 5D is a possibility that can't be ruled out. Even if one were ready to reincarnate into 4D next rather than 3D, the stop in 5D may not be able to be avoided by some who are ready to graduate to 4D. But just doing what we're doing and networking/helping is all we can do. What will be, will be.... :)

 

[sitting]

sitting,

Do you mean "how high can you jump"? :)

YES!

And I meant it for myself--for you--and everyone else on this forum.
It's a darn good question I think. Not a bad rallying cry either.
Kinda like:

Jump ... Jump ... Jump ... over that 3rd density hump! :)

What do you think?

 

[sitting]

Well, a stop over in 5D is a possibility that can't be ruled out.

That is very true.

But with resignation, it means you've already decided. And the outcome thus locked in place.
And that may well be acceptable to many. It's their free will to decide.

 

[Chu]

I think this line of thought (resignation) is a somewhat dangerous mindset. And a bit surprising in view of what we've learned together--through Laura's efforts--for so many years. The recent sessions are clearly meant to be uplifting. You're all doing well they said. Keep faith with one another. Help is on the way. Can't get more clear than that I think.

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But with resignation, it means you've already decided. And the outcome thus locked in place.
And that may well be acceptable to many. It's their free will to decide.

I think that re-reading Goyacobol's latest post would be helpful. He explained it very well, IMO. I don't think anyone here is saying they are "resigned", really. Just that it is an option we should be open to and realistic about. So, you may be nitpicking a bit here, sitting. You are both practically saying the same, IMO.

One can be hopeful and positive about that quote from the Cs, but that doesn't mean one should live in wishful thinking either. Any of us can die at any moment, and that sometimes helps remind ourselves why it is important to learn our lessons to the best of our ability, and act on the knowledge gained NOW.

 

[MariuszJ]

I am moving on with my activities! I have got a temporary job. My girlfriend did not break up with me only she is so depressed that she is unwilling to go out with me. Sitting back should be avoided now! I shall try soon to study at university. We have a chance to achieve something important if we try, so do not lose hope.

 

[sitting]

I think that re-reading Goyacobol's latest post would be helpful.

So, you may be nitpicking a bit here, sitting.

Hi Chu,

Thank you for your feedback.

In the post you cited, I was actually replying to Divide By Zero. And his sentiments.

As for Goyacobol, I think your concern is genuine but maybe a bit of a misread. Here's why:

Goyacobol and I have a "connection." And great sympathetic resonance. (He once even mentioned "telepathy".) There's very little misunderstanding of each other's true intentions. I know this from my side. But I will let him speak for his side. Even if something appears as nitpicking, it's no big deal.

But there's a deeper reason behind this.

Of all the people I've met on this forum, he's the one furthest along the Buddhist path of "no self." (Even if he isn't a Buddhist.) I've not seen a single egotistical remark from him--ever! Truly remarkable.

In addition, he has earned great "positive force" (again in Buddhist terms) by his tireless effort in bringing forth relevant transcript segments for our benefit. In true STO fashion. This is not a guy who takes offense easily. You can be sure of that.

In my humble opinion, when the transition comes, he'll be a high jumper.

FWIW.

PS
BTW, it is my habit to re-read his material. Often several times.

 

[cubbex]

I am not saying 5D is my next step or for anyone else. It is just one possibility for "some". Since I don't see everything ahead, I just keep the possibility open. I can contemplate many things here and now and this is one that I have given some thought. It is the clear vision of the next step that is necessary if we are to have any input into the process. I suppose we may just have to "wait and see".

Well I by one, do not find 5th density all that bad, it can be good for strategy I assume. Also, unless you have children I find this life a little bit shitty (sorry for the word), and I do not mean physical reality or something like that, I mean this paradigma that we as a society have build. These fake religions, fake ideas, fake governments, fake ideals. Meh, immortality loses its meaning.

I have found this opinion makes some react in a very hysterical or moralistic way, some don't, and is possible that some through their lives become so much of a mechanical body, and so ignorant, that when they die nothing ethereal survives the destruction. There was not a mind but a programmed cognition, and there is no conscience because that person never tried to acquire one. If you are programmed to be nice, that does not mean you are willingly nice, I say.

A: A ticket to 5D naturally! They chose the exit at some level. The days will come when the dead seem blessed.
Q: (Discussion of grim answer)

I would echo what Goyacobol said... the stop over at 5d would be much better than battling to just survive. At that point we learn that surviving is not worth it when it requires fierce competition.

The problem with the stop over at 5th is just that. A stop over.

What follows is another cycle of reincarnation. Another long string of lives filled with difficult lessons. In an earth environment where the sky is red with comet dust, howling winds, and who knows what. Not exactly a refuge.

I think you are confusing the situation of that answer, sitting. The answer given to Laura would be different now, as her awareness and knowledge of things were different. I suppose if you die with a certain level of consciousness you reincarnate with a similar one, so, if you achieve great knowledge you may reincarnate as a genious !

 

[Divide by Zero]

Sitting,
How is resignation a negative thing when the conditions become so bad that it requires almost inhuman competition to survive?
If it got to the point where we had to kill others to get access resources to survive, I will pass on that.

How far should we go in order to survive? I wonder about that sometimes... maybe at that point, there is little to no help we can offer to this world.

I feel like survival at all costs is not helpful to learning lessons for graduation to STO. It might be a big step back, if the conditions push us into horrible actions.

Death does not mean reincarnation here in the same disastrous environment. From what I understand, the C's were saying that future is left for those who aren't ready to go to 4D yet?


Mariusz, I am glad things are going better for you.

 

[goyacobol]

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sitting,

Do you mean "how high can you jump"? :)

I have resigned myself to accepting going to 5D and contemplating the next step but of course as you say going from 3D to 4D may be possible for many. It is good to have your highlighted view. It is a really interesting concept to think about.

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Well, I am finding that the choice of even just one word can get you into trouble. I guess I have been nit-picky myself on at least two occasions over the word "flap" and another time the word "service".

My choice of the word "resigned" was in a sense revealing my doubts and reservations about my own future. I do appreciate the responses and encouragements about how that word sounds fatalistic and seems a bit negative. I really didn't want to come across that way because I don't believe that we have no freewill or free choice. I probably should have said. I am "open to" or "accept" to the possibility that I may make a stop over in 5D which can mean either coming back to 3D or going to 4D.

Like sitting notes coming back to 3D from 5D does seem to be a grim path if:

What follows is another cycle of reincarnation. Another long string of lives filled with difficult lessons. In an earth environment where the sky is red with comet dust, howling winds, and who knows what. Not exactly a refuge.

Also, like Divide By Zero considers just being here in 3D if we survive for awhile longer:

Thinking of all the disaster films that I have seen, especially "The Road", to survive during the climate chaos will be exhausting. Finding or harvesting resources will be difficult. It may even even be cursed where the survivors just end up fighting over and over for whatever scarce clean water is left after the nuke plants melt down due to not having the grid to keep the storage pools cool.

In that case, I would echo what Goyacobol said... the stop over at 5d would be much better than battling to just survive. At that point we learn that surviving is not worth it when it requires fierce competition.

Maybe you can see that there are several possibilities that don't look that pleasant. But...I am encouraged by the support and even sense of humor that we try share here.

Sitting, is correct I think by saying we seem to share many of the same thoughts and seem to almost be on the same wavelength many times. But he also challenges me to think about things I never thought about before and gives different views of topics that make me "think with a hammer" and do more searching (soul-searching?).

But as I try to understand each point of view I have learned more about myself and many others here. I guess one thing I see that sitting also seems to feel is the need to think about what it means if we transition from 3D to 4D without a stop-over in 5D. We have clues from the Cs and they don't say much in detail but they do encourage us to use our "imagination" and we should not focus on 3D thinking. We are encouraged also to desire to "rise".

I think it is a constant challenge to balance hope and optimism while observing reality left and right. I probably will think before using the words resign/resigned again.

I am trying see all of you as friends and not just "forumites". We are all sharing our viewpoints from different backgrounds, cultures and experiences. That makes it difficult to understand each other sometimes. It seems like a slow process to get our words right and communicate what we mean, what we feel and the programs we are dealing with. If we can really begin to understand each other we will all "rise" together I think. I thank all of you for the thoughtful comments and the supportive way you responded. I am starting to see us more as a "tribe" with values you don't find everywhere.

 

[goyacobol]

I am moving on with my activities! I have got a temporary job. My girlfriend did not break up with me only she is so depressed that she is unwilling to go out with me. Sitting back should be avoided now! I shall try soon to study at university. We have a chance to achieve something important if we try, so do not lose hope.

MariuszJ,

I am so glad you are still with us and have plans to study at university. Knowing you haven't lost hope means a lot to me.

Wishing you the best. :)

 

[riclapaz]

I am moving on with my activities! I have got a temporary job. My girlfriend did not break up with me only she is so depressed that she is unwilling to go out with me. Sitting back should be avoided now! I shall try soon to study at university. We have a chance to achieve something important if we try, so do not lose hope.

Thanks for the update MariuszJ , it is good to know that everything is best for you.

 

[riclapaz]

The problem with the stop over at 5th is just that. A stop over.

What follows is another cycle of reincarnation. Another long string of lives filled with difficult lessons. In an earth environment where the sky is red with comet dust, howling winds, and who knows what. Not exactly a refuge.

I see no problem with having a stop at 5D, there posibildad have been there already for several reincarnations, if the higher is ready to advance to the next level, 4D, would only be temporary, as reincarnated, to end an incarnation, he keeps everything learned, therefore, does not necessarily have to reincarnate in a land with red sky, as you describe, there are many planets in this universe, the soul would you choose what would that more learning you can bestow, according to their level of learning and lessons, could be similar to how schools are managed here on earth, if you are enrolled in the third grade, and for some reason have to change schools, you find another school to continue the course of third degree, you do not lose the knowledge they had acquired, continuous learning.