Session 4 March 2012
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Lirpa
Jedi Master
David Topi said:
With all due respect and politeness....can't spirits and/or energies pretend to be your "inner knowledge"? Your intention may be serious and not to play around but even your own knowledge and subconcious can be co-opted. At least that is my rudimentary understanding?
I just remember my friend's mantra of "know your own thoughts" i.e. clean machine and be sure that they are actually your own thoughts.
shijing
The Living Force
Mando said:
Thanks for sharing this, Armando -- it's a good video, and it looks like Sergio and his friends were having fun. My condolences to you, and I can't imagine how both you and Lindy must feel having each lost your kids -- I hope that this session did help to ease both of your pain, if only a little.
Windmill knight said:
Funny, yesterday I was reading the book, Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme and was thinking about this session and the session you brought up too!
Richs
The Cosmic Force
It does look like what is about to go down is going to happen at a pretty quick pace which might also be accelerating at the same time. This is why the emphasis has been on preparing ourselves as much as possible physically, mentally and emotionally because when 'stuff' starts to happen we won't have time to do any of that sort of thing, and if not 'prepared' will have a real tough time of it and maybe not even make it through it successfully.cassandra said:
I just finished watching this video series and was truly ashamed at how much I didn`t know or understand, about how the "law" works, and that there are different forms of law for Sovereign peoples,, and for US citizens ( those tricked into giving up their sovereignty) for example.
Seem`s that millions of folks are waking up to just how badly they have been bamboozled by the government ( which is a separate country by the way, known as the District of Columbia!) and I didn`t even know that!
Many people are reclaiming their "Sovereignty" giving up their US citizenship and getting themselves out of that whole evil monster that we all (thought) had some power over us.
[ If it is true ] that the government has used every Americans birth certificate as collateral on the federal debt it would be outrageous and would mean that you don`t even "own" your children they do.. and they are being used as chattel on a promissory note to repay a foreign debt.
I wonder if a mass movement away from government control were to catch on, and enough people started reclaiming personal sovereignty and removing themselves from the herd (US citizenship) if it might create a turn around in the way things are/were going?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYiv0w9Vk0&feature=bf_prev&list=PL212A13BCFE4EC5E2&lf=results_video
SoCurious
Jedi Master
I think this and the previous post is a little off topic so perhaps a moderator should more it to another section?
This is an interpretation based on the fact that money is fiat, it has an agreed upon value but has no value in and of itself. The value of any currency is backed by the "faith and credit" of the nation. In this sense, because the credit of a nation is only as strong as it's people and their productive ability, and because the currency is the property of the government, we can also be said to be "chattel".
At a more basic level, in a "democracy" the people are the government and so own themselves. We seem to have lost sight of that.
This is an interpretation based on the fact that money is fiat, it has an agreed upon value but has no value in and of itself. The value of any currency is backed by the "faith and credit" of the nation. In this sense, because the credit of a nation is only as strong as it's people and their productive ability, and because the currency is the property of the government, we can also be said to be "chattel".
At a more basic level, in a "democracy" the people are the government and so own themselves. We seem to have lost sight of that.
Richard said:
My understanding is that Fed Reserve Notes (FRNs) are property of the Federal Reserve - a private bank/institution. FRNs are declared by the US gov to be legal tender. There is a growing movement of folks in the US to establish themselves as sovereigns under common law as opposed to UCC/maritime law. But in a fascist/pathocratic regime, there is no rule of law or the "law" is whatever they want it to be at the time. Can you imagine the Gestapo at the height of the Nazi regime respecting the common law sovereign rights of a Jew based on his declaration?
Off topic? It was in reference to this part of a post in this thread. I believe.
I doubt we have "lost sight" of anything when it comes to either
"democracy" or the government.
"The people own themselves".. are you kidding me!
Check out the official reaction to the "Sovereign" movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_y-gLm9Hrw&feature=related
SoCurious
Jedi Master
Yes, however the Fed still falls under the control of the government as the Secretary of Treasury has de facto veto power over all decisions of the Fed board.
I did mention under a "democracy".
Ultimately money, whether backed my commodities or simply fiat is always open to manipulation by those that control the resources. Greed respects no system or no person.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Richard said:
Richard, it sounds like you're legalistically nitpicking here. Do you honestly think it makes one whit of difference whether or not the Secretary of Treasury does or does not have 'veto power'? Do you honestly think this system is functional on even a rudimentary level? If you do, you are dreaming.
r said:
There is no democracy existent currently on the face of this planet.
SoCurious
Jedi Master
My apologies. It did appear to me though that we were going to get into a discussion of money.
The constitution of the USA was written in such a way that the people would legally be able to overthrow tyrants - hence the right to bear arms. That Americans have allowed tyrants to take over the system is no fault of the "theory" of the constitution, nor of the basic legal premise that the government can in no way own the people. That it does do so is unconstitutional and illegal.
In South African the constitution rules big time. The government have tried to pass a number of laws and were sued in the constitutional court. 6 times in a row the President has been the defendant and 6 times in a row the court has thrown out the legislation. (He's more than slightly miffed). Even with all the power at the government's disposal, they can in no way be seen to own the people, even though in the end, we are all slaves to the economic powers and the system.
In the US more and more laws are being passed to curtail the rights of the population to challenge the government so yes, in that sense the government owns the people. The various states could very well declare Sovereignty at some stage. Now that will be an interesting development. :)