Session Date: December 6, 2014
"A: In the words of the philosopher: You betcha!
Q: (Perceval) What philosopher said that?"
I was listening to an interview of the British philosopher, Neil Kramer, when he said, "You betcha!" My ears perked up! I thought he had some interesting things to say, so I transcribed part of it, for the record.
His observations of interest to this forum crowd:
- history is being cut out from the school curriculum because it provides too much of a clue
- our souls require a connection to our tribal roots to evolve spiritually
- Germany has made exceptional contributions to humanity
I was inspired to share this, not because of the new information, but because of the new perspective it gives. The pieces are now arranged in a more orderly manner and I feel like I'm looking down on our situation instead of looking out in all directions. Isn't that what a philosopher is suppose to do? You betcha!
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Full interview [71:46]: _http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/11/RIR-141121.php
My shortened version [49:24]: _https://soundcloud.com/user446872460/neil-kramer
Transcript of shortened version [including time markers from full interview]:
[03:15]
In the 1990's, in Britain, there was this enormous shift in how things were dealt with, to do with particularly race. And to do with prohibitions and prescriptive language. And I noticed that on the television, watching BBC2 and Channel 4 and these particular kinds of programs, they seemed to be very heavily biased.
So that got me thinking about the relationship between culture and what I call empire, which I'll come to describe what I think that is in a minute, because I think that leads us to a clear view of race as well.
So the relationship between culture, empire and race is kind of important. And I would say that the mainstream culture that we have, in the west of course in particular, which represents the dominant global paradigm right now. The culture that we see through our screens and through apple and google and facebook and pop music and blockbuster movies and jobs and factories and offices, all of that culture is imperial culture and it has very little to do with the native reflection of real human beings.
I would say it has not arisen organically from men and women of the land. It is nor the result of their natural creativity and visions and impulses. The majority of that conventional culture that we see before us, particularly today on our computers, televisions and newspapers, is wholly of empire. It is carefully engineered to fabricate a dependence on technology and a relinquishment of personal freedom and social control. So a nice benchmark for this is to think that real human cultures are slow to develop, gradual, strong, they are rooted in a spiritually resonant morality and a great relationship with the land, without exception.
Whereas imperial cultures are the opposite. They are fast and weak and de-spiritualized. Things like thug culture or porn culture or sports culture or gender or sexuality biased culture, they have no root to me and I never felt they did and I still don't twenty years later. And I propose to you and your audience that they do not arise from the human heart at all. They are imperial cultures, essentially conditioning people to parrot messages.
I've said "empire" and "imperial", let me just clarify what I mean by empire. I keep using this word, let me explain. People who are familiar with me and my work may know but many listeners won't so let me just take a minute to say that because I think it's pivotal to what we are talking about today.
When I first started looking at all of this at the end of the 90's, we called it "the system" then later when alternative researchers began to map out some of the fraternal and secret organizations involved in the system, it was then called "the illuminati". Then at the end of the 90's and early 2000's, we called it "the matrix" after that wonderful movie.
As time passed, we began to understand that there was also a blatant globalism and geo-political agenda. And that forced people to think of another word and we started to call it "the new world order" and there's all sorts of other more arcane things like "the brotherhood of the black shadow" and "masonic sorcerers" and "council of the demons" and more romantic titles like that.
I myself used the term "the control system" for a long time, which served me very well. I was one of the people who kind of seeded that meme a decade or so ago, and it helps I think, because it neutralizes some of that romance for the other more elaborate titles which can be unhelpful for newcomers. And that manipulated view of reality, that the system put forth, I called "the construct" and in my book I called it "the distortion" because it is kind of a distortion of reality.
So there's all these different titles swishing around, and in my life as I continue to refine my spiritual development, to the best of my abilities in my own self, and in those who choose to work with me and collaborate with me. When I looked at the system closely and saw an even better way of describing it, I felt that it was very clearly equated with empire.
Of course, if we trace the lineage of this thing, we see that there is a line connecting Persia and Egypt and Rome and Britain and America. And we get the picture, those of us who have done this research, that it is indeed one empire. An empire (geographically just being a group of regions or countries) ruled over by a central authority. Traditionally a monarch, or today more frequently an oligarchy. So empire is a good term, I think it works. It shifts the meaning a little bit and I shift the meaning. So I say, in my language, that empire is an ethos. Not a group of people necessarily but an ethos that seeks to control humankind by restricting it to a lower state of being; to an immature state of mental, physical, cultural and spiritual development.
That's what empire is to me. It's very old, by modern standards of history it's ancient, and it is super influential and super effective. It works well in what it aims to achieve, it's very clever. And what it aims to achieve, for me (and I think it's important to remind ourselves of this) is a very simple thing really, is to keep a large number of people in ignorance and unmindful reproduction.
Ignorant people in pain, procreating, spawning more ignorant people in pain. Which is what I think empire seeks to do above all else, and it does it very well. It's also important to know that empire is apolitical, very apolitical, nothing to do with politics of either color. It's totally immoral
and it is collectivist in it's disposition. So it always places group goals over individual goals. It has zero political polarization, so all thoughts however well intended, of democratic or labor or republican or neo-con or libertarian thinking, any of that, every flavor of this politics is owned by empire. And they're all really just sterile puppet shows, a bit of theatre for the sake of appearances, and have nothing to do with power at all. Same thing for Judaism and Christianity and Islamic, all pieces of empire. And every major world power and sovereign state must accept this rule of empire or risk isolation or war, worst case war, invasion.
The really interesting bit of this though, cause that seems like quite an opponent doesn't it? The really interesting bit, which gives us a lovely genuine chunk of optimism and an authority in ourselves, is that despite all of this initially overwhelming power of the system, empire absolutely requires our implicit consent to function. It physically can not act against us unless we agree to it. And why, people may ask, how can you say that? I have described this before and I would say this.
The intelligences that constitute empire are playing a very high-level game, not withstanding the negativity of it and the horror of it. It is not a low consciousness thing that they are doing. So the higher the orchestrating consciousness of anything, anywhere, the more it has to abide by a universal law. A kind of celestial physics that prevents total fragmentation in a galaxy (and it works very well). One of these laws prohibits breaching the consent of any sovereign being. So the empire must give notice of it's actions before it acts. Like in regular law here, it gives up two kinds.
Constructive notice like a document pinned to the town hall notice board that says we are going to make some change in the community. We are going to build a new freeway, and if the people do nothing, notice has been given and their silence is construed as consent. So that is one thing that empire does.
The other type of notice is actual notice like when a man divorces his wife, a husband divorces his wife and somebody serves her with the papers, hand to hand, that is actual notice. So empire gives notice, has to give notice, of it's skullduggery and naughtiness. In law, in media, in education, culture, all the time it's giving notice.
People, most people, eat it up. Not you and me and our strong independent listeners here, they're a little bit different, but most straight mainstream people who choose not to develop their consciousness or spirit of freedom, just nod in agreement to the notices and stay silent and do nothing.
One of the tricks that empire uses, and this is where it starts to take us into the race and the diversity questions. One of the tricks it uses is it has to harvest that consent somehow and it has various means of doing that.
One of them is for us to claim that we are our name, which is not our name, it's a trading entity for empire.
Another one is to claim that you live at a particular government owned property which we call our street address, which actually is an imperial trading post, you might say, agreeing to the driving license rules of empire, agreeing to permits and warrants and things like that.
Agreeing to citizenship of the imperium, of England or America or Sweden or Canada or whatever. Participating in the furtherance of empire, through the acts of voting, these are just some of the ways empire deceives people into agreeing to their way of administrating society.
Now most of us (I have to say this including myself) have become involved with these agreements little by little over the years without fully knowing quite what it meant and what we were letting ourselves in for. And if you don't do some of these things, these agreements, you can get into all sorts of trouble. You have to weigh the advantages and risks and skill sets for yourself personally as to what agreements you are prepared to make and what you are going to withdraw.
And as you know, some of the guests on your show and some of my colleagues and friends, some brave pioneers out there think nothing of spending time in jail to prove their point, and they are right.
Others serve the cause of freedom and education and enlightenment in other ways, by sharing wisdom in more regular ways of life and therefore they choose to make some compromises by agreeing to some imperial contracts and getting on with their alternative work in other ways.
It's my view that you have to be very careful in examining what it is you are doing in life and how you best serve your own growth and your own education and communities before you start doing lots of unlawful things and whatever. So you tend to find that the best educated in this so called sovereign law, carefully vet and gauge who they work with to properly determine what the motivations are and whether or not the whole business is being conducted in honor or not.
It's a very interesting thing how that agreement is obtained and it's partially because of that I often say that empires great power really is not in it's shear force or resources, but it's in it's invisibility, it's concealment. So most people don't realize that they have been consciously and spiritually confined, they just don't know and they don't want to think about it. They don't want to think about some weird wicked conspiracy that's messing up the whole planet.
There's two points to that particularly for newcomers or perhaps some of the younger listeners who are literally just getting into this.
We have simple ignorance which is when someone just doesn't know something, like I don't know how to speak Chinese, I don't have that data or technique, so that's simple ignorance.
There's another form of ignorance, complex ignorance, where there is an intentional preservation of ignorance. So people say "Look, I just don't want to know about the new world order, I don't like talking about that weird stuff, I'm happy with my life the way it is, leave me alone, don't upset things." And this portcullis comes down and that's the end of their growth and there's nothing new going to come in. That's complex ignorance, people bring down that portcullis like on a castle. And you have to leave them to it. What we're concentrating on is not those people, that's their business.
We're concentrating on ourselves and our friends and colleagues who choose self awareness and freedom and spiritual growth because it changes people and that's what's very scary to lot of uninformed normal folks, so I'll say this in my summation of empire, because I know I've got a lot of interesting things to get to.
Empire is what happens when human beings forget who they are and what they're doing. And I think it's a very important point to consider that some of that is our fault, some of it isn't, some of it is. We further and support empire by our stupidity, so we have to cease that bit, reverse it by being excellent and wise and that helps to dissolve the system.
There is that other element though where empire is not all our fault. There are other entities that lie outside the realm of normal perceptions, both physically and philosophically who are involved. Let's simplify that for a minute because always, when we talk about the system, who's at the top of it, who runs it, who originated it, let's simplify it by saying this.
Some life-forms in the world use a strategy of getting ignorant people in pain to reproduce as the basis for a fuel source, a food source. And the frequency of consciousness that emanate out of those poor bastard human beings who are being exploited, is used to power and sustain a group of entities that cannot survive by their own soul essence, because they are not like us, they're different.
As to who they are and where they're from I would suggest to you, very honestly and frankly, that no one on this planet is really sure about that. Though we have detected their presence and they are mentioned in many of our old sacred writings and mystical texts that have been unsequestered.
We have many names for these entities, we used to call them 'demons' you know, simple as that. They were called 'black-wings' in Europe and 'flyers' in South America, and 'archons', 'inorganic-beings' and some very wise men I know call them 'holes' because they resemble little mini black holes when they manifest here in this world, in the 3-D. And soon they will be called something else, but they are life forms out there, somewhere swishing around needing to sustain themselves, needing to eat and live.
The difference is, as far as we can determine, they don't have a soul, so they can't go back to the divine source like me and you can, because they didn't originally emanate from it. They're naked, they're up shit creek, so they're doing all kinds of bizarre and desperate things to try and sustain themselves using an outside power source.
For a little while, a few millennia, which is nothing, they have been messing around on this planet, and I would say it is a very limited operation, it doesn't go on for much longer but it does provide (and again this is the flip-side to that) it does provide a very unique opportunity for specialized, ultra-tactical spiritual development on this planet.
Whoever comes here, voluntarily always, knowing the full deal before hand, is doing two marvelous things. Number 1 - you are getting the best spiritual training anywhere in the galaxy, here. Number 2 - you are helping to speed up the dissolution of empire. Whoever comes here and chooses growth and consciousness, speeds up the end of empire. All we have to do, to do that, is recalibrate that conscious fuel source to a different frequency which once we get to a critical mass (which I believe we've already crossed and reached, and we are now witnessing a sort of end-game) those guys are off and we get to do things right here. Once they're gone, their minions are disempowered and natural human culture can arise again as it once did. It takes a while, but we get there in the end.
If anybody finds that a little bit of a stretch (this business of a sort of compressed consciousness through pain as a fuel source) I totally get that. But consider this, just imagine a few hundred years ago if someone had said that you can power a whole village by sunlight. Imagine suggesting to people in the 16th century. They'd wonder how the hell that could possibly happen there's nothing tangible, there's nothing there. Is it some magic? There's no coal or oil or wood or metal or gears. No, you can do it with these invisible, weightless photons that float threw the air. We call that light. It's a piece of the energetic spectrum that can be utilized as a power source. And there's another one, which currently we call low consciousness. So that's the game of empire to me, and whatever, we do have the ability to change that. We do!
[26:55]
For me, race and sexuality and diversity and all that, has been massively confused by a very concerted effort to install into many, many human minds a sort of self-censoring thought pattern that I know you've dealt with before which we call political correctness.
I'm not going to go over the origins of that because a lot of interesting and talented researchers have already done that. I do outline it in my podcast, which I call a roamcast because I'm roamin' around, podcast number 12 briefly.
It's been in the works for about seventy years, political correctness, and it was mainly propagated from the 70's onwards. It was born in the 30's really. In England, as I said at the top of the show, it really got traction in the 1990's, which was the first time I encountered people who were starting to self-censor in England. Self-censor their thoughts and feelings against a measurement that the government had put forth in terms of what is acceptable and what isn't.
Political correctness, to me, has two aspects. It is there to silence dissent and coerce consent. That is to stop people expressing their feelings about others and the ways they choose to live and to compel people to adopt a new way of thinking about each other, what's OK and what's not OK.
So in the 90's in Britain you had to stop saying certain words like paki or blackie or chink or jap or puff or queer or spastic or cripple. Anything like that (which people had said for a long time) was stopped. And you might think they are offensive of course, I understand that and I myself would perhaps not choose to go around using those words unmindfully because I'm a nice guy. I'm a considerate man and (I don't like...) I'm not really interested in anyone's sexuality or race anyway per se.
Well the point here is the words became prohibited.
I'll say that again, a sequence of sounds, from our mouths, or inscriptions on a page, in ink, in the English language, became prohibited in Britain in the 1990's. Today, using some of those words can get you professionally ruined or even jailed.
"Incitement to racial hatred" being the current favorite law in England.
And there's a funny observation here as well, just to lighten it up a bit because millions and millions of grandparents, people in their 70's, 80's and 90's chose not to adopt this new language rule set and so we had a very comical situation which still exists in Britain where millions of old people go around saying these crazy things that young people can't believe. One man I knew, who was not a family member, but was a lovely old man I was visiting in hospital, this old guy in his eighties was in hospital in a bed awaiting surgery. He quietly whispered to me about the doctor.
He said, "Is he a blackie, the doctor?"
I said, "Yeah, he is."
The old guy said, "Does he know what he's doing?"
I said, "Of course he knows what he's doing. He's a spinal surgeon. He's very highly recommended and super tight and he's a lovely guy as well."
And this old guy said, "Well, that's OK then."
Why does he talk like that, this old man? Because when this old man was a boy in England there were no black people, there were none, so it wasn't until he was an adult that he first saw anyone who wasn't white, so Black and Asian people were considered (in Britain when he was a young man) newcomers, visitors at first.
And this old man, naturally, wondered if these newcomers were accustomed to the ways of England and the English and the English methods and morality and ways of doing things. The most natural thing in the world, quite innocent. And however ignorant that might seem to some people today, it's blameless. But still when I hear this story retold, sometimes in family circles, it's told in whispers you see, because people have become conditioned that certain things are not allowed.
I'll tell you, hundreds of good, moral, open-minded, solid people who I have known in my life, would be arrested if they used their freely spoken, truly expressed language in the wrong place. They are not racist, they are not bigoted or prejudiced, but they do have preferences that have been disregarded and they are tired of it.
So I think in terms of what you were talking about (to get to the heart of it) for a minute let's substitute the word race for the word tribe, just for a minute because I think that could be helpful.
Tribal identity is the initial platform for spiritual identity. The tribal heritage of a people lays down the pattern of a particular kind of refined self expression, morality and spiritual development. It is crucial for people to understand their tribal heritage. If I were an imperial controller and I wanted to suppress the evolution of humans for a few more centuries, one really effective way of doing that would be to have all the tribes, all the tribal identities, obliterated by a very disrespectful amalgamation so no platform for spiritual growth would exist.
Identity would be lost and inner development would be enormously impeded. That's what this game is. To point the finger at any of the tribes is deeply ignorant, right? We must not do that. I have no time for people who behave like that. We have to first see the truth of tribal differences and then realize that dim-witted tribal people from any creed, all creeds, have been hopelessly conditioned into falsehood and there's nothing we can do to change that except wait for them to die off.
Those who are not intelligent enough to think for themselves have consumed this imperial racial deception and either become separatists and nationalistic, which is not very good, or egalitarian thinking that we are all the same and have equal opportunity to everything which is also mightily brainless. Either way empire doesn't care, it's a win-win for them. We have to educate ourselves first and foremost and those free-thinking friends and family who are open to it, and the young people, very important. For me the truth of tribal identity rests in a very simple premise which is that we are different. We are different from one another.
Wherever you come from, what your bones are like, and your skin, and your mind, and your heritage, and your genetics, and your spirit, all of these things come together to make you different, uneven, unequal, dissimilar, not the same. In some tribes of men and women (in the modern world) in some of those tribes, self-awareness is low, and IQ is low, and spiritual development is low, and communications is very rudimentary. If that's the case, those things have an impact on that individual's ability to perceive and comprehend reality.
Some people would say, "Well those are by no means the only measure of gauging the development of a human," and I would agree with that, but for me and my western European human cultural heritage; self-awareness, IQ, spiritual development and communication skills are central to my way of interacting with reality. They are therefore the methods and skills that I most value and appreciate for me and perhaps some people a bit like me.
This does not mean that people who live in different ways with none of those faculties are doing something wrong or less valuable. That's not for me to decide, but if those people come into my realm and claim to have the same faculties which they do not, then there is an obvious disparity.
This to me points to the heart of it; how to view this properly and equitably and intelligently because we do have to tread wisely because a lot of stupid people get polarized if we don't. There are all sorts of people listening to this show as you know from all different cultures and races and whatever and we all look different.
In my own family we have English, Scottish, Welsh, Oriental, Jewish, African, all sorts of things, so I've got my own skin in this game if you pardon the pun. In terms of diversity, you betcha.
However the fact remains that we are not the same tribally. Some people, some tribes are brilliant and some people are crap. Some cultures are outstanding and some are bloody awful. Some cities are beautiful and functional and some cities are ugly and dysfunctional. And to me, whether you are looking at the individual or a group, all of these things are totally decided on merit.
By the skills and talents and intelligence and wisdom of the people Some of those are close to empire and some are far from it. Some have empire in check a little bit and are very clever how they do it. Others are totally ruled by empire and have lost the game altogether. But nevertheless, without exception, people always have the power to make freewill choices to reflect and transpose their own unique mentality and emotions and creativity and visions of excellence into the world. That's what diversity is, our uniqueness. We are singular.
So let's take one tribal homeland, Germany. I love Germany. My favorite painter is German. My favorite philosopher is German. My favorite composer is German. My favorite mountain, the Zugspitze, is in Germany.
[37:29]
Germany has achieved an extraordinary refinement of arts, music, literature, mysticism, culture and thought which constitute, which form, an incredible foundation for spiritual evolution in individuals. Germany's achievements go on and on and on, I'm not going to list them, it is a fabulous place. It is affected by empire, yes, and it's currently having some problems, yes. But over the last two thousand years, it represents to me one of the highest achievements of human culture anywhere.
To compare Germany to almost any other country, particularly outside Europe, they pale into significance really fast. In those previously mentioned forms of human expression in particular. I do not ignore these things when I analyze the heritage of a peoples, whether they're English or Mexican or French or Swedish or Israeli, Nigerian whatever. I look at what has arisen over the last few thousand years in their homeland and the tribal peoples are deeply connected to their land and the land makes us function and live and look different ways.
We have this gift of life and of connection with our land. If people choose to waste that gift, then they face the consequences in their lives and in their countries, they made it that way. If people choose to accept and cultivate their gift, with vigor and gratitude, then they become master of their reality and afford themselves greater refinement and well-being and potency and higher achievement. That is ours to decide, that's our wit and wisdom, our being and all that.
Ethnicity and sexuality and equality just don't come into it at all. Do whatever you please, in honor and peace. Go wherever you wish, with integrity and power, alone, just us, you know that's how it works.
In thinking about this it draws to mind my sort of mystical cosmogony, the beginning of something. I would say it like this, and I'm quoting this from something I wrote the other day, but I think it's relevant to what we are talking about. In ancient days there were five great tribes on earth. A black tribe, a brown tribe, a yellow tribe, a red tribe, and a white tribe. And each arose from the soil of their native continent and were uniquely calibrated in body and mind to resonate with their particular land. And as well as the physical landscape, each tribe was born attuned to their particular energies, the finer energies of their area, their region, it's heritage, it's sacred teachings.
And whilst everybody's totally free to move around anywhere and connect with any other tribe, there is always a very special correspondence with each tribe, that keeps them enmeshed and resonating with their homeland, their heritage. They were in their true power when they were in harmonious concert with their indigenous atmosphere, physically and spiritually, metaphysically.
This atmosphere also encompassed the other animals of their realm. The organic cultures and customs of men and women, the songs and technologies and visions of their sages. Each tribe was totally different from one another, they looked different, they smelled different, they walked different, they talked different. All completely distinct, very contrasting, and as I said in this piece, as a wolf cannot be compared to a salmon, they are not parallel, other than they exists here at the same time.
It is said that the black tribe is the oldest, they were here first. Then the brown tribe arrived from another star, then the yellow, then the red, and then the white all from different places, different stars. Each tribe came from a different star. Some people feel that the earth belongs to the oldest tribe and some don't and the wisest amongst all tribes know that it belongs to no one.
It is combined specialist tribal knowledge from all of them that come together, that's where you get a better picture. This is what really ushers in a new transcendence, a new evolution that moves us beyond tribal identification, beyond tribe, beyond human. But for now, it's necessary.
Tribal identity is the platform for spiritual identity. The greatest danger to the ascendant path of humanity is to have the tribes believe that they are the same. To have their singular skills and insights just leveled.
So I would say that today, for the present times, this is a tribal planet and we have to acknowledge that as the basis for our excellence. To think otherwise; to forget our glories, and our roots, and our path is to contribute to the imperial strategy, which is to get one race of gray men. We don't want that. We are different.
[43:49]
Tribalism doesn't mean people fighting each other in little disconnected groups. It means that each piece of land gives rise to a particular soul resonance, you might say. If the soul was like sunlight beaming down on different parts of the earth, which in esoteric terms it's very much like that, soul comes into us like consciousness comes into us. Depending on where it is and what's going on and the nature of the geography and composition of the land and it's heritage, and the blood in the people, gives a very different expression of that soul. So to try and equalize them and normalize them is a disaster. It takes away the very thing that we are being asked to do which is that each soul group (which is very equitably reflected in the different tribes) has a particular talent. Each one can do different things that the other ones can not do.
[45:20]
[Interviewer: What would the empire gain from eroding tribal or racial awareness and identity?]
For a very, very small number of people who make spiritual development the whole axis and fulcrum of their life, racial identities are irrelevant. I know people where it is totally irrelevant, and it's largely irrelevant to me. However, for the vast majority of people here, who are beginning their spiritual adventure, whether it's in one life or over thousands of lives, your tribal identity is the cradle of your spiritual development. Without it you are in trouble.
Even for me, where I don't necessarily place enormous value personally, just for me, on my tribal identity (my racial heritage) it's very close to my heart. The land of England is the most beautiful place in the whole universe to me. There's nothing like it. Some of the English people and the English customs and where they came from, through the Nordic lands and the Germanic lands, is very exciting and very beautiful to me. Nothing touches that, that's a personal thing, but nothing touches that for me. It's right up there.
I know, with respect to my brothers and sisters out there who are beginning their journeys, that that cradle of racial heritage is super nourishing and important. I will do everything I can to maintain and preserve that because it has tremendous value and potency. It's very difficult for empire to sequester that. The most they can do is to let us disregard that cradle of heritage, of tribal identity and then think it's something racist.
So it's a real Orwellian doublespeak, mind swap thing. They just take it out of the language so people cannot express it. Whereas in every single mystical order that I have ever studied under or with or through or of, however you want to put it, whether directly or indirectly, there is a great emphasis on racial identity, tribal identity. A great emphasis to say, "In the resonance of the souls is the wisdom and in the resonance of souls is the method, not just the data but the actual application, the technique, the being of soul ." If you take that away, you're on your own. You're just playing roulette and who knows what will happen. It has to be honored and preserved because it has great value.
You only need to look at somebody who has had great influence on our modern media still, many years after his death, Conan Doyle, to see that his own particular love for his country was embedded in many of his works. As was his other fellow countryman, Tolkien, who said, "without Scandinavian folklore there would be no Middle-earth, nothing at all, it's all completely developments and side shoots from that."
It's one of the most precious, mystical backdrops we have in modern fiction. I think it's critical that that's maintained. Tolkien was a very fierce opponent of industrialization and he said, "industrialization isn't just about repetition and money and economy, it destroys spiritual heritage." So if he was around today he'd be on your show next week talking to you. He'd be another guest saying exactly what we're saying.
[49:30]
[Interviewer: Imagining that what I know as distinct Scandinavian people would be gone, that is horror to me. I can't imagine something which is more painful to me. And to protect and preserve that, as all things we have in our moral viewpoint. We are conservationists. We want to preserve and protect the environment. We want to protect various different animal species and that's awesome and we should. I think we should have the same view about ourselves, as well, as we are completely steam-rolled over by modernity and most people don't even reflect on it because it's not part of their consciousness. [...]They haven't awakened that deeper connection to themselves and those who've come before them.]
I know and I couldn't agree more. I'll tell you one very simple way that you can correct that, is by introducing wise elders into every child's life. In every community, when you have a wise elder, they show you the importance of what came before. Whether a hundred years or ten thousand years. That has been an enormous revelation in my life to know the wisdom of the elders, those who are still with us and those who have passed by. They carry that spiritual adventure, that spiritual chronology in their blood. And when they pass their blood to us, they pass on their spiritual attainment. It's in the blood.
Some races are very advanced with that and some are not. And just as we wouldn't look upon a baby who doesn't know how to do quantum physics you wouldn't think, "you stupid bastard." You just would think "well, they're a baby, they don't know, so we have to uphold and nurture and support them." As we should be doing with races that don't know that yet, because they're new, they've not been here very long, or they come from a different place.
You know, we ARE here together, there's a REASON for that, but to cling to our equality is very damaging because we don't NEED any of that stuff. All moral men and women know that success and happiness in life is by treading lightly and by having compassion and having wholeness in everything we do. We don't NEED equality for that. Everybody's here breathing, that's the only right we have. There are no other rights from that. What we do have though is the gift that's been given to use, in our blood, which is a link back to the soul heritage of the people who did the same thing as we did, for millions of years.
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A lot of people who are into spirituality who come to my work saying, "How can you talk about tribalism, you know we're all one, what are you talking about?" People speak about oneness don't they, "We're all one giant unified blob of celestial yumminess, why worry about differences?"
Check this out. I would say that oneness is a state of being that is achieved and attained in direct relation to the amount of work you've done on yourself. I have noticed that people who go on about oneness have done the least amount of work on themselves. Their oneness is rubbish. If your deeds and conduct and mind and heart, and you've spent an enormous amount of effort and seriousness on your own self-evolution, then your oneness is a little bit better. You're actually resonating within this cradle of life better. So you check that out. When you hear someone going on about oneness, I bet they've done a very little amount of work on themselves.
[Interviewer: Everyone who believes in this mono-culture or multiculturalism, they are suppose to mean diversity, but when you slash everything together it becomes one, a mono-culture]
That's absolutely true. It's very ironic and it's dead true. [...] In that culture, all you do is, you just look at what apple, and google and samsung and sony are doing, and that's the culture. For a lot of people, that is the culture.
[Interviewer: We had the astrophysicist, Michio Kaku, the mouthpiece of the new world order saying, "global culture is Arnold Schwarzenegger movies, Madonna records, jeans and T-shirts." That's what we've sucked up and we've lost our connection to our tribal identity.]
Yeah, and that's why history has been largely removed from the syllabus in America and Europe because it's too much of a clue. Because a lot of young people, when they are taught history by a talented, inspirational, engaged teacher, start to get excited.
History is very exciting. It's very comforting and very reassuring and it provides wisdom. So you'll see that that is slowly disappearing from the syllabus. Not because it's not relevant for vocational training (which is all that education really is nowadays) but because it's too much of a clue. Because if you end up going down some of those wonderful pathways that are full of this incredible evolutionary thought and excitement and adventure, and put the power back in our hands, you start losing the apple and the google consumers. They think, "I don't want to work in an office in Silicon Valley. I want to study the origins of my people and go and look at their megaliths and the hills and the dolmens."
[Interviewer: Exactly, you're encapsulating my awakening to becoming concerned about the things we're talking about. Looking into the history of the people in Scandinavia, from the Vikings to Beowulf, the heroes who have walked those lands. I see the burial mounds, unexplored. They are waiting with a mystery behind them. I'm thinking about this. I'm reading about it. It becomes a part of me. Something awakens in me and that's when this concern is like a flame enlightened and it's never going to go out. I just know that.]
That's why you and I, and people like us, have to keep doing what we're doing. Because they say, "Henrik's a good guy, Kramer's a good guy and they're very interested in their heritage and the history of their peoples, and these warriors and tribes, and these so called mythologies. That makes people take a look. When you see serious people who are making a life of their chosen practice, and chosen study, it does inspire other people. It inspires me when I see somebody who's really excited about something, it makes me take a look. When I know that it is central to their heart it makes me interested in it. Enthusiasm is infectious, isn't it. The dignity that the knowledge of your own heritage brings. People like that. It's very lacking in the world today, that honor in your own heritage. People like it and they want it. When they see people resonate in it and expounding on it, intelligently, without polarizing, it makes people want to take a look. We all have them. Wherever you are on the planet, we all have them. I have mine and I like mine probably better than anyone else's.
[Interviewer: And that's how it should be. That's the point. You should be biased against that. You want to be one who wants to preserve that more than anybody else wants to preserve that. What's so difficult about that?]
It's super easy and that's why we have to intelligently and bravely tackle these issues, without polarization and using language carefully but bravely. When you get it right it's so easy and it's so obvious. It starts to dissolve all that conditioning that we were talking about with all that ugly empire business, really fast. It does require a certain skill to approach it properly, which thankfully I see pretty well represented these days. It wasn't here 'til quite recently. It's really taken off in the last couple of years.
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