Session 8 August 2015

[A Jay]

I was surprised to see that Russia was relatively high at 17%. I wonder if it's gone down since that session. It's also still surprising to see China with such a low percentage. Reminds me of this too:

(Alada) Well, China is so big, but it's so relatively quiet...

A: Still waters run deep and strong. The USA and allies are in for a rude and painful awakening.

I wonder what they mean by the "Still waters run deep and strong" statement exactly and if and how it relates to the small percentage of psychopaths.

I would imagine that the number of psychopaths in Russia would have gone down since that session, and was probably higher back in the USSR days or just after its collapse. So if you think of Russia as recovering from a severe infestation or infection, that's probably not a bad recovery to have made in such a short time. (Assuming the % was higher before the collapse and not an increase since Putin has been in power.)

But the still waters comment and the small percentage of psychopaths in China is interesting..

 

[Keit]

I would imagine that the number of psychopaths in Russia would have gone down since that session, and was probably higher back in the USSR days or just after its collapse. So if you think of Russia as recovering from a severe infestation or infection, that's probably not a bad recovery to have made in such a short time. (Assuming the % was higher before the collapse and not an increase since Putin has been in power.)

Actually, there are plenty of pathologicals and pathological behavior in Russia. But they are also probably concentrated in larger cities.

 

[amirhasho]

Thank you for this session!

 

[Ruth]

Session Date: August 8th 2015

(Heimdallr) Is there anything that this group here needs to be doing or focusing on more?

A: Magnetizing.

Q: (L) What does that mean? Magnetizing who or what?

(Galatea) Where? When? Why?

(Heimdallr) How?

A: Fulfilling the function of the lighthouse! If it isn't broke, don't fix it!

Q: (Heimdallr) So, I guess we just continue doing what we're already doing? Man the posts?

A: More and better! You will see that united efforts send a signal of which you are not fully aware with ramifications as yet unseen. The important element is the colinearity.

What an interesting analogy, that of a lighthouse:

"The modern era of lighthouses began at the turn of the 18th century, as lighthouse construction boomed in lockstep with burgeoning levels of transatlantic commerce. Advances in structural engineering and new and efficient lighting equipment allowed for the creation of larger and more powerful lighthouses, including ones exposed to the sea. The function of lighthouses shifted toward the provision of a visible warning against shipping hazards, such as rocks or reefs."

From here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighthouse

 

[RobertB]

Still waters. Pot-stirring and agitation are not allowed in China to a great extent. Why? Because China is smart enough and disciplined enough to appreciate and jealously regard the strength of a stable and industrious citizenry. There is a limited amount of capital freedom, but it comes with a condition: Don't screw up, or your head will roll faster than the assembly line. You risk and win, good for you, enjoy. You fail, you pay now!

 

[A Jay]

I would imagine that the number of psychopaths in Russia would have gone down since that session, and was probably higher back in the USSR days or just after its collapse. So if you think of Russia as recovering from a severe infestation or infection, that's probably not a bad recovery to have made in such a short time. (Assuming the % was higher before the collapse and not an increase since Putin has been in power.)

Actually, there are plenty of pathologicals and pathological behavior in Russia. But they are also probably concentrated in larger cities.

So I guess the question remains, how has the number of psychopaths and other pathological deviants living in Russia changed since Putin came to power?

 

[herondancer]

I would imagine that the number of psychopaths in Russia would have gone down since that session, and was probably higher back in the USSR days or just after its collapse. So if you think of Russia as recovering from a severe infestation or infection, that's probably not a bad recovery to have made in such a short time. (Assuming the % was higher before the collapse and not an increase since Putin has been in power.)

Actually, there are plenty of pathologicals and pathological behavior in Russia. But they are also probably concentrated in larger cities.

So I guess the question remains, how has the number of psychopaths and other pathological deviants living in Russia changed since Putin came to power?

It may not be so much that the number of psychopaths have changed, but that the number of them in positions of power is being reduced. The real harm comes in the amount of influence they can wield. Having a psycho brother-in-law can be a pain, but if that brother in law is a CEO of a big corporation, he can cause a lot more damage to a lot more people. Evgeny Federov talks a bit about this tangentially in an interview he did a couple of weeks ago.

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The pertinent bits (8:25):

EF:But the problems of orange invasion, fifth column in the government and, partially, terrorism – you can solve. You solve terrorism by eliminating the disloyalty in the law enforcement structures, which does exist in the environment of a fifth column and corruption.

And the first two problems you resolve automatically, because you clean up the chain of command and eliminate the basis for an orange invasion. You see, a Maidan is pointless if there are no allies in the government, ready to open the gates of the city. Meaning: Navalny’s militants assemble, and the traitors open the gates of the Kremlin for them. No traitors in the Kremlin means no point in assembling Navalny’s militants, because they couldn’t take the Kremlin walls by a storming. The gates are supposed to be opened to them by traitors inside, you see?

By solving the problem of purging for sovereignty, you solve the problem of the traitors. That’s it! Like the many occasions we have mentioned: 1937 Stalin’s purge), ‘Oprichina’ ( Ivan IV control system, 1565 ), and all the rest.

[But it’s not possible to immediately purge them all in one go? You clear out generals, and a colonel takes over the general’s place. But he turns out to be the very same, so after a month he has to be cleared out too.]

EF: Look at how this was done in the familiar purge period of 1922 – 1941. The purge was happening the whole time, not only in 1937. It’s true, people were replaced 3-4 times. You had replacements happening according to a certain vector.

It wasn’t possible to reach everyone systemically – people will act the part and adapt, they have their connections and system, they will make promises. In reality you don’t have the means to go and unscrew one person’s lamp and screw in another’s. It’s a more complex process. But launching this process, in and of itself, towards the objective of sovereignty will solve this problem. Every new round of personnel arrivals will bring reinforced sovereignty. In other words, the purge process will have been launched.

A purge is not a one-off process, it’s a mechanism of continuous cleansing of the government in a particular direction. So either your purges will go in the direction of corruption and external administration, as it has been now. There have been purges: good people have been driven out; bad people have been appointed to the positions of ministers and bosses.

So one could say Putin has been conducting a quiet, ongoing purge within the government cleaning out the pathologicals. The oligarchs are more problematic, as you don't generally get to be an oligarch without being pathologic. Most them have chosen to adapt their behaviour, in their own self-interest. In any case the vector is putting those in positions of influence who hold Russian values first and foremost.

 

[Keit]

So one could say Putin has been conducting a quiet, ongoing purge within the government cleaning out the pathologicals. The oligarchs are more problematic, as you don't generally get to be an oligarch without being pathologic. Most them have chosen to adapt their behaviour, in their own self-interest. In any case the vector is putting those in positions of influence who hold Russian values first and foremost.

Yes, and not only in the government, but also on the federal level. Many governors were fired from their positions, or it was made clear to them that they should look for another job. Many corruption scandals were made public, etc. Also, now it's a normal procedure for all the big officials or people in high positions (including banks), to give their report about their work to Putin over the cameras, on TV. So, yeah, in this sense there is probably a gradual, but meaningful shift.

Also, today I watched a very interesting interview (in Russian) about the Russian Arctic, and the director of the center for the North development told some interesting things, among them that conditions in the Arctic are so harsh, they contributed to the character of people who are able to live successfully there. And that there is no room for deceit there, because all such things are being quickly discovered. It reminded me of the movie "Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner".

So it would be interesting to know, if the percentage of psychopaths is indeed smaller in areas that don't tolerate BS and require hard work.

 

[Siberia]

It may not be so much that the number of psychopaths have changed, but that the number of them in positions of power is being reduced. The real harm comes in the amount of influence they can wield. Having a psycho brother-in-law can be a pain, but if that brother in law is a CEO of a big corporation, he can cause a lot more damage to a lot more people. Evgeny Federov talks a bit about this tangentially in an interview he did a couple of weeks ago.

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So one could say Putin has been conducting a quiet, ongoing purge within the government cleaning out the pathologicals. The oligarchs are more problematic, as you don't generally get to be an oligarch without being pathologic. Most them have chosen to adapt their behaviour, in their own self-interest. In any case the vector is putting those in positions of influence who hold Russian values first and foremost.

Yes, that's how I see it too. Step by step, Putin weeds out those pathologicals from the crucial positions. For example, successful regional governors are being recruited for the highest federal positions or appointed to govern the so-called problem or unstable regions such as the North Caucasus, etc.

As for the number of psychopaths in the Russian society, I doubt that it could be significantly reduced so quickly, as these individuals haven't disappeared anywhere. But on the other hand, such pathologicals are now being exposed more easily with all the new technologies like cameras, Internet, etc. So, perhaps their number didn't change much, but the Russian society is now more aware of who is who.

Another factor is the dynamics. In the 90s, Russian society was like a wild jungle where only the strongest and most aware could survive. Alcoholism, drug consumption, corruption were thriving. The children and teenagers were lost, they were "raised by the streets," as the saying goes. Sports stadiums and complexes almost all turned into markets. No one trusted one another. Many windows wore iron bars - not only on the ground floor, but up to third floor inclusive, due to the high rate of marauding. Every second family kept horrible monster dogs at home such as Bull Terriers, for example.

Now most of those iron bars and monster dogs are gone. People leave their expensive cars in the streets. Sport is developing and became very popular again. Most children now practice at least one sport or more. Putin pays special attention to sport development in Russia: all those Olympic Games, Football Cups and other international competitions held or to be held in Russia are designed for the purpose of attracting more teenagers to sports. Last year Putin even signed a decree to restore the Soviet system of GTO (Ready for Labour and Defence)!

So, the dynamics is surely positive and remarkable. Maybe the number of psychopathic individuals hasn't changed much, but the Russian society in general is certainly more aware and healthy now, I think.

 

[Konstantin]

Thank you for the interesting session and also very interesting discussion.

 

[liam1310]

Thank you for the interesting session and also very interesting discussion.

same here, cheers. :)

 

[SeekinTruth]

I think Putin's cleaning house had some effects of making the general population more aware of pathological behavior as well. Just like the psychos have a disproportionate influence when in certain positions, when a country has a leader like Putin, his influence trickles down in a similar, but positive way to make the society become healthier. Or so I think.

 

[goyacobol]

Many thanks to Laura and all the session participants.

My attention was drawn to the following especially.

(Beau) Is there anything that this group here needs to be doing or focusing on more?

A: Magnetizing.

Q: (L) What does that mean? Magnetizing who or what?

(Arielle) Where? When? Why?

(Beau) How?

A: Fulfilling the function of the lighthouse! If it isn't broke, don't fix it!

It is good to hear you who were there in the session may be doing some things right even if there is still more Work ahead.

May we all shine on.

I have been noticing butterflies more lately. I guess they have become symbolic to me of seemingly small but important efforts.

 

[Goemon_]

Q: (Nicholas) There seems to be a lot of events coming in September. On the 13th, it's the last day of the Shemitah year, the 15th the UN may formally recognize the Palestinian state, the 25th the pope visits the US and gives a UN speech which might kick off Agenda 2030, Egypt wants Isreal's nuclear sites to be inspected, and the 28th is the last of the four blood moons. Is this something that could be a marker for the start of the Powers that Be to ramp up their agenda?

A: Wait for October.

One thing I am waiting October for is the release of the movie The Walk directed by Robert Zemeckis :

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3488710/

Some people have noticed "evidence" of a prediction of the 9/11 attack in the trilogy Back To The Future directed by the same Robert Zemeckis and they point out that in a scene in Back To The Future Part II wich take place in 2015 a movie screen display a photo of the twin towers. So, some think there will be "revelations" to be found in this new film.

Back to the future predicts 911 :

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ULjJ3EqyY

 

[PERLOU]

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