Session 9 April 2011

[anart]

Thanks Anart - this explains it. I know I'm really analog, but I was beginning to think I'd lost it.

The one-liners are just thank you notes. At present it's really diff. to add anything of value as I'm still doing the reading (books) and on forum to acquire the very basic fundamentals. Those with many years of study and interaction say it all.

It looks like I can contribute nothing of value.

You're the only one who knows your own story, your own struggles, your own triumphs and failures along the way, while struggling to wake up. No one else knows that. That is what you have to offer. We all learn from each other and, thus far, you've simply not offered anything of yourself. That's the only point being made here. The idea that you, or anyone, has nothing of value to offer is ridiculous - and it's you defeating yourself before you even begin.

 

[truth seeker]

I apologize about the confusion ssw. I'd either forgotten that you wouldn't be able to see it or didn't know you couldn't. You can however, contribute to discussion while doing the reading. If everyone waited to post before completing the reading material, there would be little to no one posting on this forum. :)

 

[scifiscriptwriter]

I apologize about the confusion ssw. I'd either forgotten that you wouldn't be able to see it or didn't know you couldn't. You can however, contribute to discussion while doing the reading. If everyone waited to post before completing the reading material, there would be little to no one posting on this forum. :)

Thanks for the encouragement truthseeker - the confusion is mine - Laura did however indicate that all I needed to do was log off and then on again and would be able to communicate with others in my area so's I could get together with them for the next 'moon dance' or whatever event might come up where a gathering of sorts was being encouraged - she didn't mention I had been refused my request.

My short comments were to show appreciation for the informative interactions on the forum - they were short as I was under the distinct impression we had to keep the 'noise' down. That can be understood - it's taking me so long just to get through the basic threads (and books) - I'll stop the process.

I have nothing of any importance to add that someone else has not already contributed to. Understanding of obsticles, pitfalls and what to expect at various junctures is wonderfully explained. In the meantime I'll look for other groups doing similar work.

 

[Beau]

My short comments were to show appreciation for the informative interactions on the forum - they were short as I was under the distinct impression we had to keep the 'noise' down. That can be understood - it's taking me so long just to get through the basic threads (and books) - I'll stop the process.

Do you mean the process of reading and assimilating the information contained here on the forum and its associated websites/materials? The way I'm reading it, you have decided to stop because you haven't been given access to a private forum. I hope that isn't so.

Also, I just want to point out that making "short comments" does not equal keeping the noise down, just as long posts don't equal noise. It's the quality that matters, not the quantity.

I have nothing of any importance to add that someone else has not already contributed to. Understanding of obsticles, pitfalls and what to expect at various junctures is wonderfully explained. In the meantime I'll look for other groups doing similar work.

Again, this is a distorted view of yourself. You have unique experiences and views which can be shared. You may feel like you're adding to an echo chamber, but you'll be surprised by the affects that opening up can have on you, and others.

FWIW

 

[scifiscriptwriter]

My short comments were to show appreciation for the informative interactions on the forum - they were short as I was under the distinct impression we had to keep the 'noise' down. That can be understood - it's taking me so long just to get through the basic threads (and books) - I'll stop the process.

Do you mean the process of reading and assimilating the information contained here on the forum and its associated websites/materials? The way I'm reading it, you have decided to stop because you haven't been given access to a private forum. I hope that isn't so.

No, it isn't so. The wording and sentence structure was poor. Nothing is going to stop me from my own research and the wonderful books this forum and its members have introduced to me.

Also, I just want to point out that making "short comments" does not equal keeping the noise down, just as long posts don't equal noise. It's the quality that matters, not the quantity.

I agree, but will feel more comfy offering personal info or insights when I know what I am talking about. When I first joined this forum I was quite open - I was immediately accused of stealing the Cassiopaean story in a rather distasteful roundabout way (third pary conversation) by two characters, Roger and a Mrs J. If they had bothered to read my thread correctly they would have realized GGI had already been written two years previously and GGII was being written after researching political and economic trends to extrapolate 30 years into the future. I now try to use small sentences avoiding anything that could be considered ambiguous.

Also, I was investigating the MMS protocols at the time, very much the same way as Laura had herself a few years earlier. I had not however, read up on their findings/discoveries and was accused of spamming this site and told that I had no like mindedness to this site.

The point is, this is someone elses site. I am a guest here, but so far being too open has not been a good idea!

I have nothing of any importance to add that someone elsesteal has not already contributed to. Understanding of obsticles, pitfalls and what to expect at various junctures is wonderfully explained. In the meantime I'll look for other groups doing similar work.

Again, this is a distorted view of yourself. You have unique experiences and views which can be shared. You may feel like you're adding to an echo chamber, but you'll be surprised by the affects that opening up can have on you, and others.

Yes - I have EXPERIENCED that effect.

FWIW

edit: mod fixed quotes

 

[scifiscriptwriter]

Thanks Anart - this explains it. I know I'm really analog, but I was beginning to think I'd lost it.

The one-liners are just thank you notes. At present it's really diff. to add anything of value as I'm still doing the reading (books) and on forum to acquire the very basic fundamentals. Those with many years of study and interaction say it all.

It looks like I can contribute nothing of value.

You're the only one who knows your own story, your own struggles, your own triumphs and failures along the way, while struggling to wake up. No one else knows that. That is what you have to offer. We all learn from each other and, thus far, you've simply not offered anything of yourself. That's the only point being made here. The idea that you, or anyone, has nothing of value to offer is ridiculous - and it's you defeating yourself before you even begin.

Actually I have - and it got me into trouble - assumptions and misunderstandings - it's better I do my homework before posting anything of a "too personal" nature (if only to have the tools to defend myself adequately).

 

[Beau]

Actually I have - and it got me into trouble - assumptions and misunderstandings - it's better I do my homework before posting anything of a "too personal" nature (if only to have the tools to defend myself adequately

That's understandable. I'm curious, what exactly is the "homework" that you will be doing? Also, what are you worried about defending? This all sounds more like you want to be able to defend yourself (the predator) from any uncomfortable replies you may get from personal discussions. But, isn't that a little like getting all the answers to the test before taking it? Growth, progress, learning, well, it just doesn't work that way, at least not in The Work. You need to have faith in the process. If you don't have that faith, then most likely no matter what kind of personal discussions occur, you will not be open to all replies. And, if you feel that way, one has to wonder why you want to meet up with the very same people who you don't trust?

 

[scifiscriptwriter]

Actually I have - and it got me into trouble - assumptions and misunderstandings - it's better I do my homework before posting anything of a "too personal" nature (if only to have the tools to defend myself adequately

That's understandable. I'm curious, what exactly is the "homework" that you will be doing? Also, what are you worried about defending? This all sounds more like you want to be able to defend yourself (the predator) from any uncomfortable replies you may get from personal discussions. But, isn't that a little like getting all the answers to the test before taking it? Growth, progress, learning, well, it just doesn't work that way, at least not in The Work. You need to have faith in the process. If you don't have that faith, then most likely no matter what kind of personal discussions occur, you will not be open to all replies. And, if you feel that way, one has to wonder why you want to meet up with the very same people who you don't trust?

Homework is all the info from the book list.

If 'incomfortable replies' means I can be falsely accused w/o the benefit of defending myself then I am on the wrong site.

 

[Beau]

Homework is all the info from the book list.

If 'incomfortable replies' means I can be falsely accused w/o the benefit of defending myself then I am on the wrong site.

Well, I was speaking of a hypothetical situation. I'm not sure what exactly you were falsely accused of. If you could, please point out specific instances of that. I don't think you've ever been banned from posting either so you've had, and will have, the ability to reply to all posts on the appropriate boards. Nobody's perfect here, you may write something that causes someone to react emotionally or that triggers a program. It happens. The best way to deal with that, IMO, is to point out to the individual how you feel about what they've written. It seems instead of that you've gone the more dramatic route and applied an individual instance or two of "unfair treatment" to the whole forum. That's not really fair at all.

 

[anart]

The best way to deal with that, IMO, is to point out to the individual how you feel about what they've written. It seems instead of that you've gone the more dramatic route and applied an individual instance or two of "unfair treatment" to the whole forum. That's not really fair at all.

I agree. I also think you're taking this very personally and that is definitely not the point in any way. In fact, it's almost as if you were waiting to 'lash out' when you got an opportunity and a simple statement of fact - that applies to everyone, not just you - is the opportunity you've decided to take.

The whole point of my informing you of the situation was to give you an opportunity to let us actually get to know you. If you didn't know what the issue was, you could not rectify it. Instead of taking the opportunity as an opportunity, you've taken it as a personal attack and have decided to 'go to the garden and eat some worms'. It's really unfortunate.

I understand having your feelings hurt from initial input received - it happens to a lot of people who come here with certain preconceptions and expectations. It happened to me the first time I ever posted on the public Cass yahoo group. I unsubscribed because my self-importance took a hit, so I 'went to the garden to eat some worms'. I wasted a lot of time thinking only of myself until I finally got a clue and returned.

So - are you interested in learning and being a part of this process? If so, you are more than welcomed - but it's up to you.

 

[scifiscriptwriter]

The best way to deal with that, IMO, is to point out to the individual how you feel about what they've written. It seems instead of that you've gone the more dramatic route and applied an individual instance or two of "unfair treatment" to the whole forum. That's not really fair at all.

I realize 'unfair treatment' (perceived or real) is part of 'the work' in a sense. But the tools to deal with ourselves effectively is to learn/educate from the Masters who have more insight than myself. That's all I'm doing - and the explanation is just that. You wanted to know something about me - well you now do!

I agree. I also think you're taking this very personally and that is definitely not the point in any way. In fact, it's almost as if you were waiting to 'lash out' when you got an opportunity and a simple statement of fact - that applies to everyone, not just you - is the opportunity you've decided to take.

Not so - given as an example of why I wished to become better aquainted with the 'rules'. And the Work in general, which is new to me.

The whole point of my informing you of the situation was to give you an opportunity to let us actually get to know you. If you didn't know what the issue was, you could not rectify it. Instead of taking the opportunity as an opportunity, you've taken it as a personal attack and have decided to 'go to the garden and eat some worms'. It's really unfortunate.

I understand having your feelings hurt from initial input received - it happens to a lot of people who come here with certain preconceptions and expectations. It happened to me the first time I ever posted on the public Cass yahoo group. I unsubscribed because my self-importance took a hit, so I 'went to the garden to eat some worms'. I wasted a lot of time thinking only of myself until I finally got a clue and returned.

... then you will understand my need to assimulate information/changes.

So - are you interested in learning and being a part of this process? If so, you are more than welcomed - but it's up to you.

The above few posts and the kind people who have spent time to interact on this is simply to explain why I wish to educate myself before further personal exposure. Early experience seems to necessite this strategy.

What is my crime? But to exercise my FREE WILL. As stated, I am a guest on this site, - whatever rules apply here have to be learned. And I do not yet know them.
From trying to be a part of this group - I will concentrate on being a part of myself.

A break from posting does not mean I wish to stop visiting the site. I am sorry you consider my explanation a 'lashing out' - was simply trying to explain my stance. I started off very open and personal - it was a disaster!

I will be back - JJ

 

[OrangeScorpion]

At present it's really diff. to add anything of value as I'm still doing the reading (books) and on forum to acquire the very basic fundamentals. Those with many years of study and interaction say it all.
It looks like I can contribute nothing of value.

You're the only one who knows your own story, your own struggles, your own triumphs and failures along the way, while struggling to wake up. No one else knows that. That is what you have to offer. We all learn from each other and, thus far, you've simply not offered anything of yourself. That's the only point being made here. The idea that you, or anyone, has nothing of value to offer is ridiculous - and it's you defeating yourself before you even begin.

Hello scifiscriptwriter!

Forgive me for my English, is not my language.

I feel much identified with everything you mention. I also feel that I can contribute nothing of value.

So, I want tell you something that just happened to me.

Anart recommended you a thread about access to the fotcm forum.

Scifiscriptwriter, this thread might help you understand your current status. While you have been active on the general forum from a 'number of posts' point of view, the vast majority of those posts are one line agreements to other posts. You have yet to really interact on a deep basis about anything. The thread I linked should give you more insight. We look forward to hearing more from you! :)

I have read this thread. To my surprise, I discovered this:

BTW, I want to thank you personally because there is a post from you that really struck me and gave me one more push to come back:

Who can I help?

This network.

Likewise, who can be my teacher?

This network.

I even kept it in an Outlook Task I called "Inspiration" in my work computer, so I could read it many times and force myself to remember what is important.
So, many many thanks!

When Anart answered my questions. I felt stupid. Responses were evident. I thought this made me out to appear stupid in front of the forum. I was generating noise.

But if I had not asked, Anart would not have answered and Courageous Inmate Sort would not have encountered the push to come back.

This is an objective fact. My "stupid questions" have helped a user of this forum. Now I see that they are not stupid, always we need to be reminded of things.

I have nothing of any importance to add that someone else has not already contributed to. Understanding of obsticles, pitfalls and what to expect at various junctures is wonderfully explained. In the meantime I'll look for other groups doing similar work.

Again, this is a distorted view of yourself. You have unique experiences and views which can be shared. You may feel like you're adding to an echo chamber, but you'll be surprised by the affects that opening up can have on you, and others.

Oh! Yes… I just check this. ;)

I will try to defeat my fears and open up more to this forum.

 

[Harold]

I understand having your feelings hurt from initial input received - it happens to a lot of people who come here with certain preconceptions and expectations. It happened to me the first time I ever posted on the public Cass yahoo group. I unsubscribed because my self-importance took a hit, so I 'went to the garden to eat some worms'. I wasted a lot of time thinking only of myself until I finally got a clue and returned.

So - are you interested in learning and being a part of this process? If so, you are more than welcomed - but it's up to you.

Thanx for sharing that Anart. I can relate to self importance taking a hit.

I've been following this thread and all the interaction, and I have received allot. So thanx for contributing Scifiscriptwriter, you have helped me at least. And thanx to Laura and everyone for all their great work.

At present it's really diff. to add anything of value as I'm still doing the reading (books) and on forum to acquire the very basic fundamentals. Those with many years of study and interaction say it all.
It looks like I can contribute nothing of value.

You're the only one who knows your own story, your own struggles, your own triumphs and failures along the way, while struggling to wake up. No one else knows that. That is what you have to offer. We all learn from each other and, thus far, you've simply not offered anything of yourself. That's the only point being made here. The idea that you, or anyone, has nothing of value to offer is ridiculous - and it's you defeating yourself before you even begin.

I just want to say to Scifiscriptwriter too that, I have pretty much said the exact same comment about not being able to add value by posting. I started a thread called 'Useless Noise' or something to that effect. I hate to say this but I put it in the members section...but thats not my point... I started that post with some trepidation... as it turned out... I could add a little value... I did get to learn... about myself ... yet again... but it was significant for me. As I was able to see ...now I might me wrong here... but I 'think' I was able to see the energy flow, and even though it was inward and IMO a selfish in-flow, it really helped me allot. Without seeing that I cant see the progression of out flow... which I did see too a little. As others were able to receive support and share their experiences also. Just to begin to watch the machine and the ever hungry lurking predator. I was actually glad I made that thread after all. I learned something! Whoda thunk? We all are here to learn...but it can come in the most unexpected ways... I know now for example, without a doubt that the truth can hurt... but I want to be bitter to the STS and not full of 'sweet' lies. Even though this thread I started was still self-serving and selfish in some ways, I still have learned allot from it as I 'think' about my responses. I received yet again, and look forward to returning the 'flow'. It takes time and effort...and sometimes a few bumps and bruises... but one thing with my interaction with the forum... no 'real' harm has ever come to me, just perceived by my silly ego at times.... its all good, hope this helps. :)

 

[StrangeCaptain]

What is my crime? But to exercise my FREE WILL. As stated, I am a guest on this site, - whatever rules apply here have to be learned. And I do not yet know them.
From trying to be a part of this group - I will concentrate on being a part of myself.

What is it do you think that has been viewed as a "crime" by the members here?

A break from posting does not mean I wish to stop visiting the site. I am sorry you consider my explanation a 'lashing out' - was simply trying to explain my stance. I started off very open and personal - it was a disaster!

I will be back - JJ

What disaster has occurred?

This seems like making a mountain out of a mole hill, i.e, a rather dramatic reaction to what exactly I don't know. This, in and of itself, does not constitute a crime.

Since you have been reading various suggested materials, I would guess you are familiar with the focus here of understanding pathology and its effect on human interaction. As it is desired to provide a pathology-free zone, so to speak, for the members of this forum and to a further degree for the members of FOTCM, this board is heavily moderated and membership to FOTCM is managed with care and attention. This is so that the meetings with other members that would occur are safe for the members.

It is a rather fundamental aspect of the false personality to view its exposure, or even the possibility of it, to light and reason as a disaster. Considering that, you might want to reconsider rather you have been really exercising free will.

I would like to qualify that pathology-free does not mean there is a template of the perfect person-involved-in-The-Work and that only those fitting the template are allowed to join. It means that essential psychopaths are screened out as best as possible and also those suffering identification with the psychopathic world view to the point of displaying significantly psychopathic traits. I believe that whomever is doing the membership screenings fully expects that each and every person on this planet, and thus each and every applicant, has been marked by whatever defense mechanisms they have cultivated to survive in our world.

 

[stellar]

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It is a rather fundamental aspect of the false personality to view its exposure, or even the possibility of it, to light and reason as a disaster. Considering that, you might want to reconsider rather you have been really exercising free will.

It may help, or not, to think that you know nothing about anything (empty your cup) and then start from the beginning and slowly ask questions.
Follow examples of how other's have learned to Hear (what you may call criticism/accusations) lessons, analyse and See how it may apply to your programmes.
Once you understand the Truth of what has been discovered you put it in your Heart as knowledge and are able to use it next time the issue comes up and then you will see and hear it for what it is - a lesson.
Babysteps are fine, I think Together, we can all do it.