Smoking is... good?

[gaman]

Are the benefits mainly achieved through inhaling? I've been dipping tobacco (copenhagen) for 30 years since I was a young teen, but I'm thinking about trying smoking. Hopefully that would be easier on the gums. Has anyone seen anything related to benefits of inhaling vs. dipping (tobacco in the cheek or lip)?

 

[abstract]

I've been dipping tobacco (copenhagen) for 30 years since I was a young teen, but I'm thinking about trying smoking.

One other thing you could try is snus. Not snuff, snus. It originates from sweden, and what I read was that they have studied and studied

ill effects and have not found any. So maybe an alternative to consider if you don't wanna dip anymore. :)

 

[Al Today]

Re: On smoking, cancer, nicotine and big pharma

I ask myself

"How did I miss the SNUS scthuff.?.?.?"

SNUS, Hmmm...

I can find and/or buy the American Spirits or any organic tobacco at only one(1) place within reasonable driving distance. At the drive-thru store I saw and still see theadvertising poster for SNUS, but I thought SNUS was an erroneous misprint of the word SNUFF and shrugged it off.

I'm gonna try to remember at lunchtime today and get some SNUS. I was raised around huge fatty cigars & spittoons around, tried cigars & snuff, swallowed, gagged, puked and never went back.

Thanks for the pointer Abstract. :D :D :D

[quote author=Pob"]
I recently saw a smokeless alternative used in Sweeden called Snus - pronounced like loose.

Snus, moist oral tobacco, comes in a tiny tea bag. It sits discreetly between lip and gum, releasing nicotine. Because it does not stimulate saliva production, there is no spitting. Even better, there is no smoke. [...]

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edit: spelling again... fix quote

 

[Thomas Alan]

Snus, Hmmm. New one to me. Tobacco without smoke or spit. :)

What brands are good? Any possibly safer than others? No additives, organic etc?

Mac

 

[Pierre]

Belibaste, do you use regular shisha in your hookah?

I currently use organic American spirit (red bags).

In fact I roll a normal cigarette (with a carboard filter) that I stick in the metal pipe. The cardboard filter (when rolled at the proper diameter) helps making the pipe-cigarette junction airtight.

 

[abstract]

Snus, Hmmm. New one to me. Tobacco without smoke or spit.

What brands are good? Any possibly safer than others? No additives, organic etc?

Well, i think the best bet is the genuine swedish stuff but i don't think you'd have too much trouble finding something.

Like I said, they have researched this stuff to death AND it's not even mentioned by the anti tobacco lobbies

because there is no evidence of negative health effects, as far as i know. That may be why we've never heard of it

until recently, they can't make a commercial against it because it's not bad at all. :P

 

[JonnyRadar]

I used swedish snus for a while and it worked pretty well. Actually I think I've still got a couple tins in the drawer from the last batch ordered... I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try snus, as far as I've found it's just tobacco leaves in a little pouch, with some flavoring added depending on what type you get. I think there are types that are unflavored as well. -- swedishsnus.com

Don't try the Camel snus though... those things are nasty, imo, and for the taste of them you might as well shove a cigarette and a peppermint in your mouth together...

Also a word of caution, the "spitless" thing is a bit of a misnomer. You can swallow the juice but for me it made me nauseous if i hadn't eaten anything directly beforehand, so I usually ended up using it just like chew and spitting when I needed to. Outdoors, of course, carrying around a bottle of tobacco spit inside is just gross, imo.

 

[Thomas Alan]

I used swedish snus for a while and it worked pretty well. Actually I think I've still got a couple tins in the drawer from the last batch ordered... I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to try snus, as far as I've found it's just tobacco leaves in a little pouch, with some flavoring added depending on what type you get. I think there are types that are unflavored as well. -- swedishsnus.com

Don't try the Camel snus though... those things are nasty, imo, and for the taste of them you might as well shove a cigarette and a peppermint in your mouth together...

Also a word of caution, the "spitless" thing is a bit of a misnomer. You can swallow the juice but for me it made me nauseous if i hadn't eaten anything directly beforehand, so I usually ended up using it just like chew and spitting when I needed to. Outdoors, of course, carrying around a bottle of tobacco spit inside is just gross, imo.

I found that snus is sold many places around here. But it's almost all Camel or Marlboro. At a small tobacco shop they had General. I tried the mini mint. Fits nice is in the lip. Might even get away with it at work. Gentle tobacco flavor without the harshness of smoke. Kept it in for about an hour while I walked in the woods. Relaxing.

They also have full portion General as well so I might try that.

Mac

 

[abstract]

I found that snus is sold many places around here. But it's almost all Camel or Marlboro. At a small tobacco shop they had General. I tried the mini mint. Fits nice is in the lip. Might even get away with it at work. Gentle tobacco flavor without the harshness of smoke. Kept it in for about an hour while I walked in the woods. Relaxing.

They also have full portion General as well so I might try that.

Thanks for sharing that, mac.

So how is the nicotine delivery with snus? I assume it's a more gradual release of nicotine as opposed to smoking?

 

[Thomas Alan]

I found that snus is sold many places around here. But it's almost all Camel or Marlboro. At a small tobacco shop they had General. I tried the mini mint. Fits nice is in the lip. Might even get away with it at work. Gentle tobacco flavor without the harshness of smoke. Kept it in for about an hour while I walked in the woods. Relaxing.

They also have full portion General as well so I might try that.

Thanks for sharing that, mac.

So how is the nicotine delivery with snus? I assume it's a more gradual release of nicotine as opposed to smoking?

I quit smoking 25 years ago. At the time it was the right thing to do for me. I was also a beer drinker back then. I could see that with the combination of cigarettes and alcohol I wouldn't live much longer if I kept it up.
Quitting cigarettes was relatively easy, a lady stuck some pins in my ear (acupuncture). ;D

I didn't miss the smoke, smelly clothes, house and car. The terrible cough.
But I have missed the nicotine. It can be relaxing and mind focusing, just kind of brings things back into line.
So much good information here about smoking. That it isn't tobacco that is dangerous but the toxic junk they add to it that ruins people health and keeps them addicted.

I have thought recently about trying American Spirits. But it's still smoke and these days the tobacco Nazis are out in force.
So snus might be a way to get a little nicotine without being pilloried.

The mint was a little harsh at first, and probably not neccessary for me. I could taste the tobacco as it flowed on my tongue. Tastes good, gentle.

I expected the nicotine to make me dizzy like my first cigarette eons ago. But no, just a soft glow.

I love to experiment in life. We'll see how this one goes.

Mac

 

[gaman]

Thanks for the info on snus, I'll definitely check that out. I've never smoked but I like the things that have been said about how nicotine reception through smoking can be helpful. I just wonder if dipping provides the same benefits (oral absorption vs inhaling and hitting the lungs).

 

[abstract]

I just wonder if dipping provides the same benefits (oral absorption vs inhaling and hitting the lungs).

When tobacco is smoked, without being technical, certain metabolites are created to better ingest the nicotine. Said metabolites

do not form when dipping/chewing. I've tried nicotine patches and gum and there is absolutely no satisfaction to be had from those things.

You're just walking around pissed off because you're waiting for it to start working...and it never works. Same thing with the gum.

Without the metabolites, you don't absorb as much nicotine as you could. But it's all a matter of personal preference in the end.

 

[gaman]

Thanks, abstract. That is clear enough to point me on.

 

[Thomas Alan]

Just a update on my great snus experiment. Yesterday I tried a General full portion. I could really feel the nicotine buzz. Like JonnyRadar said it does upset my stomach a bit to swallow the juice. It was good, added to being outdoor in the Sun after a long dark winter. And having the taste of tobacco is triggering some programs.
Like my sense of self importance and superiority about being "tobacco free" is taking a beating.

Feels good to enjoy tobacco again. I'm more relaxed and centered when talking with people. Off yesterday. I am enjoying a couple of minis before going to work today. :)

Mac

 

[3DStudent]

I've thought about snus after it's been mentioned here. I was hoping to maybe use it at work, but it would be impractical to walk around with a cup when I use my hands all day. I'm not sure it would be in any stores around me either, it might only be available online.