Speculations about the Comet 17P/Holmes

[Simmi]

notice the combination of numbers - only three 9s and a 1. Can we think that the code is to reverse the arrangement: 9111? In that case, we only have to figure out why we must drop one of the 1s. Even without dropping one of the 1s, it's damn synchronistic if you ask me! The "seventh month" is simple - "Sept" - not July.

I might be way out but 9111 does look like 9|11 which look like 9/11. Which meant we do not have to drop one 1 but just bend it a bit to do a / with it.

my 2 cents.

Perhaps or sometimes we miss off a zer0 in front of a digit.. 9-11-1 or as you may see thus 9-11-01. You can see many things in numbers - not all of them hold any relevance whatsoever. Perhaps these do - I cannot judge.

 

[Tigersoap]

I just googled 9111 and one of the result is

_http://www.genome.jp/dbget-bin/www_bget?hsa:9111

Entry : Homo sapiens (human): 9111.

Uhm.

Ok this is just playing around with the numbers, if you read 9111 you can see it as well as 931 (3*1).
There is a Gene with id 931 and this is also the prefix of Tennessee.
And oh this
_http://www.astronomerstelegram.org/?read=931 :The bright new variable in Cassiopeia - a microlensing event?

Ok enough noise already.

 

[Zadius Sky]

I just googled 9111 and one of the result is

_http://www.genome.jp/dbget-bin/www_bget?hsa:9111

Entry : Homo sapiens (human): 9111.

Uhm.

That would make sense if you think about it. It sort of brings back to this:

Disasters involve cycles in the human experiential cycle which corresponds to the passage of comet cluster.

At least, that's my take on it.

fwiw.

 

[Alana]

But now reading all the above, it might be that this brightnes of comet Holmes is more than just a comet?

Dunno how you got that out of it. What interested me were the remarks about "nickel" and plasma and EM and stuff passing between the sun, earth and a comet. Re-read the 19 June 1999 session.

The emphasis in the sentence i wrote (which was not clear at all!) was: "more than just a(one) comet"? Which was referring to the comet's brightness hiding other "space solids" that might come along with it, follow it, etc, as in comet cluster. Not to alien craft dressed up as comet :) It is quite big after all, and we might obscure other stuff behind:

Or it got big. the last time it made a show back in 2000, was only a faint light in the sky:

from http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~jds/coms00.htm#17P

which means that something happened to it. And it might be that you are correct that it is not the composition of it that matters, but the alignment with the sun and the planets, which might have created a condition that made it explode and turn as bright. (Completely speculating here, as i try to make sense of a subject i have no knowledge of).

I was reading this today which might add something to the discussion:

"What makes Comet Holmes unusual is that it literally brightened overnight, from a very faint object detectable only with a powerful telescope to an object visible to the naked eye," said Mr Pressly. "The comet has just become one million times brighter than it had been, most likely because of explosions within it.

"These explosions ejected a massive cloud of dust surrounding the centre. This dust cloud reflects sunlight, which is why we can see it so easily.

"A comet is like a dirty snowball, composed of dust and gas, which periodically orbits around our sun. Comets are believed to be the leftovers from the time that the planets formed and could even contain clues to the origins of life on our planet.

"The centre of the comet is known as the nucleus. As the comet nears the sun, it will start to melt, giving off dust and gas, which usually forms in a tail at the back of the comet, pointing away from the Sun." [...]

"At present, Comet Holmes is some 150 million miles from Earth and should stay at this distance as it orbits the Sun."

from: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/143615-Holming-in-on-a-really-bright-comet

Re-read the 99/06/19 session, and it makes more sense with your comments, it does seem like it's a "herald" (which kind of brings to mind the "herald angels" of the apocalypse, as the picture of Holmes posted by Joe looks a bit "angelic" :/ - image wise though)

C's said:

Human cycle mirrors
cycle of catastrophe. Earth benefits in form of periodic
cleansing. Time to start paying attention to the signs.

Holmes is like a big neon-like sign in the sky.... we have to keep watching to how it will translate on the earth, in our world.

(end of speculation)

 

[Laura]

Laura wrote:

Can we think that the code is to reverse the arrangement: 9111? In that case, we only have to figure out why we must drop one of the 1s.

Why "drop one of the 1s"? With it "in", the code becomes a little more obscure, but then it reads almost perfectly in a numerical sense--09/11/01.

Geeze, you are absolutely right! And boy, did I get the heebie jeebies reading that. I didn't even think of it. I'm so used to thinking about it as just "911" and not 9-11-1.

But there it is, that's what it is.

And I kinda think that's the "kaboom!" "splat!"

 

[dant]

Wow... I am truly amazed! Chalk that up for the C's accuracy!
Have the C's ever mislead us? Emphatically no!
Problem solved (and more to come)!

 

[John G]

It was mentioned earlier that the brown star companion might be around Cassiopeia which is in the general direction of the comet and the lined up planets, is that significant?

 

[Darren]

From a session in Laura's article http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/twin.htm

Q: (A) I want to continue questions from the previous session. First, about this companion star: where is it now; which part of the zodiac?
A: Libra Constellation.

Because of the huge period of orbit, its location in the sky wouldn't have changed much since then if it's a 'normal' type of orbit, but how well are these orbits understood?

 

[dantem]

Just a thought here. If it's all about clues here, if 'nickel' means 'bright' then 'cobalt' is either 'deep blue', like the Earth, or simply 'dark'...? Following that line perhaps 'composition' means 'looking for clues after the comet's odd behavior'.

 

[Laura]

http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm

“From the smallest particle to the largest galactic formation, a web of electrical circuitry connects and unifies all of nature, organizing galaxies, energizing stars, giving birth to planets and, on our own world, controlling weather and animating biological organisms. There are no isolated islands in an electric universe".

David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill in
Thunderbolts of the Gods

Comet Holmes In The Electric Universe
By Michael Goodspeed
Thunderbolts.info


"It's a mystery to me how comets work at all."
--Donald Brownlee, principal investigator of NASA's Stardust Mission

No phenomenon in the observed Universe has been a source of more continuous surprises than comets. In fact, despite the exterior confidence by astronomers and astrophysicists that "all is well" in mainstream cometology, researchers have been so baffled by unexpected discoveries that conventional comet theory no longer exists!

"We have now had four close encounters with comets, and every one of them has thrown astronomers onto their back foot." -Stuart Clark, New Scientist, September 09, 2005.

Yet comets are still touted as "Rosetta Stones" allowing us to decipher the formation of the solar system. The "dirty snowball" hypothesis, considered theoretical bedrock for decades, has failed resoundingly at predicting comet behavior and, more recently, comet composition.

The most dramatic surprises began in 1986 with the discovery of negatively charged ions in the coma of Comet Halley, the signatures of energetic electrical activity, and the absence of water on the nucleus. In subsequent years, comets have produced a steady stream of "mysteries" that have left astronomers groping for answers:

1. Highly energetic supersonic jets exploding from comets' nuclei.

2. The inexplicable confinement of these jets into narrow filaments, spanning great distances, up to MILLIONS of miles, defying the behavior of neutral gases in a vacuum.

3. Jets occurring on the dark sides of comet nuclei.

4. Comet surfaces with sharply carved relief -- the exact opposite of what astronomers expected under the "dirty snowball" model.

5. Unexpectedly high temperatures and X-ray emissions from cometary comas.

6. A short supply or complete absence of water and other volatiles on comets' nuclei.

7. Mounting evidence for the production of the OH radical in cometary comas, due to charge exchange with the Sun (the process that misled astronomers into thinking they were seeing evidence of water removed from the surface.)

8. Mineral particles that can only be formed under extremely high temperatures -- the last thing one would expect from a chunk of dirty ice arriving from the outermost reaches of the solar system.

9. Comets flaring up while in "deep freeze," beyond the orbit of Saturn.

10. Comets disintegrating many millions of miles from the Sun.

11. Comet dust particles more finely and evenly divided than is plausible for sublimating "dirty ices."

12. Ejection of larger particles and "gravel" that was never anticipated under the idea that comets accreted from primordial clouds of ice, gas, and dust.

13. The unexplained ability of a relatively minuscule comet nucleus to hold in place a highly spherical coma, up to millions of miles in diamater, against the force of the solar wind.

All the above findings pose enormous problems for the "dirty snowball" model; all are predictable features of the electric model. Nevertheless, the odds are pretty good that you have never even HEARD of the electric comet hypothesis (although had you lived in the 19th century, when astrophysical journals frequently discussed the electric properties of comets, you might have). This is because the space sciences throughout most of the 20th century have been constructed on the theoretical assumption that bodies in space are electrically neutral. An electric comet would strike at the foundations of the theoretical sciences today.

The Electric Universe views comets as negatively charged bodies moving through the radial electric field of the Sun, the most positively charged object in the solar system. The most energetic cometary displays occur with comets that spend the most time in the outer regions of the solar system, where they acquire a strongly negative charge. As they race toward the Sun, moving into a more positively charged environment, the nucleus will be subjected to increasing electrical stresses, eventually beginning to discharge.

But what might occur with a shorter-period comet that does not move on a highly elliptical orbit? It happens that presently, we are witnessing an excellent example accompanied by many enigmas. In the past two weeks, the Comet Holmes 17P has made international headlines with an energetic outburst that has left astronomers speechless. The website skyandtelescope.com has called it "the weirdest new object to appear in the sky in memory." "For no apparent reason," the comet began to increase in luminosity, rapidly brightening from 17th magnitude to about 2.5 -- approximately a million-fold increase in brightness. This is the not the first such outburst by the comet -- its discoverer Edwin Holmes witnessed a similar brightening in 1892 followed by a second eruption 2-and-a-half months later.

In the span of a few days, the comet's coma grew to such an enormous and bright disk that it could be seen with the naked eye, though it never gets as close to the Sun as the planet Mars, and when it suddenly erupted, it was moving AWAY from the Sun.

As the structure of the coma has clarified itself, jets have appeared streaming away from the center. The source of the jets is entirely enigmatic, if not preposterous through the lens of the usual comet assumptions.

"This is truly a celestial surprise"..."Absolutely amazing", said Paul Lewis, director of astronomy outreach at the University of Tennessee.

The reason for astronomers' amazement is that, given the comet's distance from the Sun, solar heating cannot offer a plausible explanation for the eruption. Worse than that, it has been moving AWAY from the Sun! So now, astronomers trying to explain these anomalies have begun grasping at straws. After a bit of hair tearing, the most common speculation is that the source of the outburst is "sinkholes" in the comet nucleus. But the trivial, almost immeasurable, gravity of a comet could hardly justify this "explanation" -- no force is available to cause the surface to "sink"!

The only other "explanation" could be that another object struck the comet, a scenario that, by the astronomers' own estimates, is virtually inconceivable.

If, however, cometary displays are almost exclusively due to electrical stresses, the question remains as to why a comet moving AWAY from the Sun might exhibit a sudden discharge. In the case of Comet Holmes, one might suppose that neither the conventional view of comets nor the electric hypothesis can explain what we're seeing.

But in fact, the electric view, based on new knowledge of the solar system environment, does offer a plausible interpretation of Holmes' behavior.

In its most recent visitation, the comet Halley provided an important clue. As it moved away from the Sun out beyond the orbit of Saturn, Halley experienced a major eruption that not only remains unexplained today, but seems to have conveniently slipped from astronomers' memory.

Other comets such as Hale-Bopp began erupting "prematurely," while still in the icy depths beyond Jupiter's orbit. And numerous comets have exhibited unpredictable outbursts exceedingly difficult to explain in terms of an evaporating chunk of ice. And several comets have, quite unexpectedly, exploded into fragments. (See When Comets Break Apart, http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060119comets.htm)

In electrical terms, such unpredictable behavior can be related to the breakdown of the plasma sheath that forms around a charged body in space. This behavior is well documented in the laboratory. A plasma sheath insulates the charged body from the charge of the surrounding plasma, and across the wall of the sheath, called a "double layer," there is a strong electric field. But when that wall breaks down, the result can be an explosive instability with accompanying electric discharge. In other words, the charged body may exhibit little unusual behavior until the breakdown occurs.

Such a breakdown can be provoked as one plasma sheath penetrates into another. This phenomenon seen in the laboratory draws our attention to the structure of the Sun's plasma environment and to the unique plasma sheaths of the planets themselves. Wherever our probes have taken us, we have found new levels of structure, all with electrical implications. Within the "magnetosphere" of Venus, astronomers were amazed to find coherent ropes or "stringy things." The New Horizons probe found curious cellular blobs moving down the vast plasma tail of Jupiter. The Sun itself is immersed in plasma structure with boundaries and double layers, a laboratory in space for intense investigation today.

So what might have happened to Comet Holmes? It is not a typical comet. The eccentricity of its orbit is minimal. It is always outside the orbit of Mars and inside the orbit of Jupiter. In fact, it is virtually as close to being an asteroid as it is to being a comet. And astronomers are slowly realizing that the distinctions between asteroids and comets are not as clear as they had once believed. Occasionally, asteroids sport cometary tails, like the asteroid Chiron, which was seen to develop a tail while orbiting between Saturn and Uranus around 1988 and 1989. It is now officially classified as both an asteroid and a comet. Since the electrical stresses on Holmes would be minimal, much like those on asteroids with modestly elliptical orbits, it is not unreasonable to assume that its plasma sheath remains largely undisturbed -- unless it penetrates into or is penetrated by another sheath with sufficient differential across its double layer to cause an explosive breakdown.

It's interesting to note that the diagram of Holmes' orbit shows that it crossed the ecliptic (the plane of the planets movement around the Sun) quite close to the time of its closest approach to Mars. So it is certainly conceivable that Mars' own plasma sheath, by penetrating that of Holmes, provoked the fateful breakdown. Though this would not qualify as a coherent hypothesis today, it is the kind of issue raised by the electric model that is systematically ignored by mainstream astronomers.

As of this writing, the space science community has fallen virtually mute on the enigma(s) of Comet Holmes. Comet science is in an undeniable state of crisis, and nothing short of an intellectual revolution will save officialdom from irredeemable embarrassment. It is the hope of the electric specialists that the failures of the standard comet model, so nakedly obvious in the face of discovery, will inspire astronomers and astrophysicists to reconsider the real-world disciplines of electrodynamics and experimental plasma science -- disciplines that should never have been excluded in the first place.

For a review of the electric comet, see the index of comet pages on the Thunderbolts site:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Comets

 

[Ruth]

19 June 1999

A: Nickel?
(snip)
Q: (A) I just want to know about this particular comet?

A: Nickel?

Q: (L) What do we know about nickel? (A) There are all kinds of things
about nickel. It is a metal. The question is whether nickel has anything
to do with this particular comet.

A: If it does, it could be vital.

Q: (A) What is the composition of this comet?

A: Most comets are indeed "dirty snowballs," composed largely of water ice
and particulate matter. But, some are more like fast moving asteroids
caught up in an orbital plane. Your "Millennium Group" is maybe just a bit
too one-side-or-the-otherish at this point. Thus, a spectral analysis of
this object is in order before one assumes it to be a cosmic vacuum cleaner.
(snip)
A: Have we not already indicated? Knowledge is power. If we give it to
you like Halloween candy, it is diffused.

Q: (L) You said that the primary composition of this comet is nickel?

A: No, we said "nickel?"

Q: (L) What does 'nickel' mean? (A) It's a shiny metal. (L) A coin, a
five cent piece...

A: What does molten nickel look like against the backdrop of space?

Q: (A) It would look like silver... (L) Would it have a color? (A) I
don't think so.

A: Does it conduct electricity? Is it magnetic?

Q: (A) Yes, it can conduct, but its not magnetic. Why 'molten?'

A: What about the "tail" of such an object coming into contact with the
ionosphere?

I guess that depends on how much there is of it, because according to Wikipedia, nickel is magnetic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel

It is magnetic, and is very frequently accompanied by cobalt, both being found in meteoric iron. It is chiefly valuable for the alloys it forms, especially many superalloys, and particularly stainless steel.

Nickel is one of the five ferromagnetic elements. However, the U.S. "nickel" coin is not magnetic, because it actually is mostly (75%) copper. The Canadian nickel minted at various periods between 1922-81 was 99.9% nickel, and these are magnetic.

So, what are the other five ferromagnetic elements? Cobalt and Iron, for starters? Oh, and Dysprosium, and Gadolinium. Never heard of those two!

 

[Petey of Lone Tree]

So what might have happened to Comet Holmes? It is not a typical comet. The eccentricity of its orbit is minimal. It is always outside the orbit of Mars and inside the orbit of Jupiter.

And, from Chapter 38 of The Wave ("As Above, So Below...)

We need to note that there is a difference between what the Cassiopaeans are talking about in terms of a "modern type man" on the planet Earth, and their story about the appearance of the survivors of the destruction of the planet Kantek - the so-called Aryan-Nordic types.

And then somewhere up above in a Nostradamus quote are the words "Mars weeps".
My speculation is: Did Holmes somehow cause the destruction of Kantek, and is Mars "next on the list"?

(Edit/Add): And/or is "Holmes" an comet/asteroid remnant of Kantek that was flung into space and returns every so many years?

 

[Josi]

Hi,

I came across this yesterday-

-http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2007g.html

Did Crop Circles predict Comet 17P/Holmes two years ago?

I haven't had time to read it all yet, but it looks rather interesting.

FWIW

 

[Regulattor]

Nice gif of comet 17P/Holmes showing dramatic increase of coma, which now has 1,4 mio.km in diameter!

_http://www.spaceweather.com/comets/holmes/13nov07/Sebastian-Voltmer1.gif

 

[christx11]

http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm

“From the smallest particle to the largest galactic formation, a web of electrical circuitry connects and unifies all of nature, organizing galaxies, energizing stars, giving birth to planets and, on our own world, controlling weather and animating biological organisms. There are no isolated islands in an electric universe".

David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill in
Thunderbolts of the Gods

Comet Holmes In The Electric Universe
By Michael Goodspeed
Thunderbolts.info

{TRIMMED}

It's interesting to note that the diagram of Holmes' orbit shows that it crossed the ecliptic (the plane of the planets movement around the Sun) quite close to the time of its closest approach to Mars. So it is certainly conceivable that Mars' own plasma sheath, by penetrating that of Holmes, provoked the fateful breakdown. Though this would not qualify as a coherent hypothesis today, it is the kind of issue raised by the electric model that is systematically ignored by mainstream astronomers.

As of this writing, the space science community has fallen virtually mute on the enigma(s) of Comet Holmes. Comet science is in an undeniable state of crisis, and nothing short of an intellectual revolution will save officialdom from irredeemable embarrassment. It is the hope of the electric specialists that the failures of the standard comet model, so nakedly obvious in the face of discovery, will inspire astronomers and astrophysicists to reconsider the real-world disciplines of electrodynamics and experimental plasma science -- disciplines that should never have been excluded in the first place.

For a review of the electric comet, see the index of comet pages on the Thunderbolts site:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Comets

Well this sounds pretty plausible to me. Especially with the planets having their magnetosphere distorted by Solar Storms CMEs. It would seem that a planet's ionosphere/magnetosphere could come into contact with a comet's core rather easily and if the comet is itself magnetic then there could very well be some kind of electrical charging going on. I think earth's magnetospher has been detected 4 million miles out into space. In a severe CME I am not sure how far out it could go.

Just as the nucleus of a comet is tiny compared to the visible parts of the comet (the central coma and extended tails), the Earth is small compared to the size of the magnetosphere. The inner part of the magnetic field looks like an offset, tilted dipole; but the outermost shape looks like a comet, and for the same reason. The pressure of the solar wind compresses the part of the magnetic field that is in the direction of the sun. Friction with the solar wind drags out the extended tail, which is well formed to over 250 RE and a wake-like region has been observed out to 1000 RE - many times farther than the distance of the Moon (60 RE). A diagram of the magnetosphere is shown in Figure 5. The boundary of the magnetosphere is called the magnetopause. The distance to the dayside magnetopause is about 10 RE; the distance to the magnetopause perpendicular to the Earth-Sun line is about 15 RE. Both those numbers increase or decrease as the solar wind pressure decreases or increases, respectively.

Other interesting links on the magnetosphere, plasmasphere, etc.:

_http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10993&page=61
_http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=33272&fbodylongid=1171
_http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=33272&fbodylongid=1172
_http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=39558
_http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/ssc/spgroup/annual94-95.html