'Survivors' by Terry Nation British TV series 1975-19

[quote author=H.E.]I thought 2008 (which I was following on BBC few years ago) was much more engaging and easier to digest then 70's version, today I tried watching the 70's version but gave up after few episodes as I couldn't stand bad acting and dragging story . I agree with the description unnerving.[/quote]

I suppose you have to ask yourself here, do I want to get entertainment or informed?
It all comes down to that.

Most likely, the world is going to chance drastically. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.


- Thanks for pointing me out to this series. Some time ago I watched a documentary which could resemble our possible coming reality. It deals with a family which tries to survive in it.

Its name was: ''After Armageddon’’ You can find it on ‘youtube’ It has 10 parts of around 10 minutes long. Anyhow, It seems that I will be busy with watching Survivors now.
 
We watched the first two episodes last night. You quickly get over the somewhat outdated acting/setting because the storyline is so interesting imo. Personally, I appreciated the slow pace, as, for once, Tigersoap and I were able to comment and discuss the situations without losing the plot! It was frightening to see how quickly some people resorted to looting, abandoning the injured, trying to take over, etc. But also how some people will no matter what try to get together.

As others have said, the show offers a lot of food for thought... Thanks for the tip, I had never actually heard of that show.
 
If the future would be like in this series, I think it will be one thousand times worse. What is interesting are the characters that appear on the road that makes us, as spectators, think about our reactions in front of them: thieves, fascists, fanatics, etc. What if...? Greg and the 2 women are trying to survive in a road plain of strange situations, trying to understand what is happening, trying to see the "good way", not to loose their mind, not to become crazy in the middle of this situation. And they are learning, in every chapter, something new and they are becoming stronger. It is not an easy road and every time they have to make decisions. Follow the instinct and find some place where they will be able to start again something, we don't know yet, to survive in a world where everything is different with the same patterns of humanity. What an interesting adventure for our heroes. This series gives us to think about values, and what values should be kept for the future generation, if there is a future generation. I think.
 
Laura said:
Carlise said:
My view of the third law is that nothing is intrinsically 'wrong', if it is a necessary step in order for you to follow your destiny and not be obstructed. However, from what I have seen, the attitude of a lot of long time members here seems to be totally against guns, violence etc in any situation. I would greatly appreciate input on this topic if anyone has views to share, as I feel that I lack understanding in this area.
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I hope you are aware of the kinds of attack we have come under through the entire past 11 years since we started actively publishing our material, and then later, when I started doing SOTT every day or so which turned into today's SOTT.

Okay, being aware of that, what the heck do you think I - or anybody associated with me - would respond to that question? Obviously, we are against violence.

But the Cs say again and again: Knowledge Protects, and they mean when it is applied. Nuff said.
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So by acting on knowledge we can be 'wise as serpents, gentle as doves' and avoid having to get into a violent confrontation. Because that would be submitting to play the game of the psychopaths and not truly following our free will. Plus if you have to hurt others to continue your own survival, it wouldn't be following an STO path and would not even be worth surviving.
 
Muxel said:
That's like saying, "Possessing a carrot is against my principles." :D
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I don't think you can compare in that way. Guns are designed to kill, mainly, carrots are not.
 
Carlise said:
So by acting on knowledge we can be 'wise as serpents, gentle as doves' and avoid having to get into a violent confrontation. Because that would be submitting to play the game of the psychopaths and not truly following our free will. Plus if you have to hurt others to continue your own survival, it wouldn't be following an STO path and would not even be worth surviving.
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I don't think anyone would argue with the usefulness of having a hunting license and a gun, or a bow and arrow, to feed oneself if times got really hard.
 
I am enjoying the slower pace of this series without the overstimulating action and graphics we find in modern films. As Mrs. Tigersoap just said, it gives one time to think and put yourself in the situation. I think in each episode, as the three main characters meet other people and have to decide who they can trust, is a good lesson for me. Presently, I'm identifying with the character Abby. At first I couldn't stand her. I viewed her as superficial and never thought she would turn out to be a main character. I found it very powerful when she cut her hair off and burned her house.
The one thing that's really bugging me, though, is I wish these women would get some sensible shoes. I'd hate to be tromping through the countryside in those heeled boots.
 
When Mrs Grant goes to a the boy's school in search of her son she encounters an elderly man. (1/6 youtube) What he says about the world after the plague is very appropriate. He asks her if she can make a candle. What's it made of, where do you get the ingredients, what is the process for making one.

In a post apocalyptic world, all the manufactured conveniences are gone. Everything must be made from scratch. What skills and knowledge do we need to do this? Can we make a hammer, a sling shot, track and bring down a deer, butcher it, cook it, somehow preserve the meat for later?

And any one of us can not learn all the skills needed. The knowledge of a group is essential.

Probably, the learning and the survival of any one of us is not important. It is the process of learning through our own efforts, sharing with others, that awakens the Soul.

Thanks for letting us know about this series. It really stretches my thoughts.

Mac
 
Mac said:
When Mrs Grant goes to a the boy's school in search of her son she encounters an elderly man. (1/6 youtube) What he says about the world after the plague is very appropriate. He asks her if she can make a candle. What's it made of, where do you get the ingredients, what is the process for making one.

In a post apocalyptic world, all the manufactured conveniences are gone. Everything must be made from scratch. What skills and knowledge do we need to do this? Can we make a hammer, a sling shot, track and bring down a deer, butcher it, cook it, somehow preserve the meat for later?

And any one of us can not learn all the skills needed. The knowledge of a group is essential.

Probably, the learning and the survival of any one of us is not important. It is the process of learning through our own efforts, sharing with others, that awakens the Soul.

Thanks for letting us know about this series. It really stretches my thoughts.

Mac
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I got the exact same thoughts when i watched the first episode yesterday. As a research forum, it is not a bad idea to list out/discuss the essentials and means to procure/substitue and make it.-ex: ham radio for communication, candles, hammers, utensils etc. Also he expresses how the basic knowledge disappear in 2 or 3 generations leaving people to primitive humans.
 
One interesting thing is pointed out: even if you find yourself in a world where most people are gone, and there is a lot of "stuff" that you can survive on, it WILL one day be gone and then where will your descendants be?

This is, undoubtedly, the situation that faced the Roman Empire when it collapsed from mass death and destruction due to cometary bombardment and plague. And it took several hundred years to climb back up out of total barbarism, with the results we see today. So there is a whole lot to think about here.

As I said, it is the dialogue, the ideas depicted in the scenarios, that interest me, not slickness of production or "fast paced action." It is a thoughtful series that actually presents some rather deep problems to consider.
 
I'm almost through all series, since I didn't feel too well in the last days and took the chance to watch.

Imo the first series covers a lot and should be enough to watch if time is an issue cause the other two series lack a certain plot.

What should be important is to keep things as simple as possible in case of survival and everything we used to comes to an end, cause it is never known if things can be rebuilt and are likely to run out: fuel, needles, ammunition etc. And to me it seems easier to be a hunter gatherer instead of growing crops, cause for this many tools would be needed again, lots of knowledge and one is dependent on the weather. And things would be easier to learn to the next generation, otherwise you need many specialists for almost everything (it is covered in some episodes). Also hunting is not easy and preparing an animal, beside making fire. I don't know if all native folks were more nomad like (like American indians and Australian aborigines used to be), to travel where the food is growing and to keep things in kind of a balance and food (animals and plants) can regrow again and on itself. Especially to be in the middle of Europe, nature must also balance out in a way too.

As I wrote the first is suffizient imo, with some later very good episodes like: Lights of London I+II, New Arrivals, Over the Hills, The Choosen, Manhunt, Little Learning and Mad Dog.

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So to be on the KD seems to be the best way imo and already using cold water for a shower :)
 
Chrissy said:
I am enjoying the slower pace of this series without the overstimulating action and graphics we find in modern films. As Mrs. Tigersoap just said, it gives one time to think and put yourself in the situation. I think in each episode, as the three main characters meet other people and have to decide who they can trust, is a good lesson for me.
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I agree, it is a good lesson; whom can you trust, whom can you work with? Despite the painful lessons I am enjoying the series. I watched a lot of British series in the seventies, like The Hammonds, The Avengers, Coronation Street and so on. So it is all rather familiar to me, this way of filming and producing. ;)

A few years ago I did a lot of research regarding intentional communties and peak oil. And although the reasoning was flawed, these peak oil people have been saying the same things, i.e. that we have lost these traditional skills. And I have given it quite a bit of thought. This, if we are well prepared, could be an interesting adventure.
 
It is because we live in a modern society that we know nothing. In poor countries it is different, I think so. They know how to survive, to live with the minimal, how to do bread or things like that. They live with almost nothing and what they have is precious. This series make me reflect on what I have and be grateful of what the little I have.

What I mean with poor countries is that they still have tradition in everything: food, but also they can do anything with very little. We, in the modern societies, are unable to think about how this or that is made, we don't think about that. But them, yes. Their curiosity, inspiration and creativity is also their survival. So maybe we should start to see things that surround us differently, with more curiosity? How a candle is made? How works electricity? How botanic works? Mechanic? These skills are vital to survive. Health, school for children, cooking, learning new skills... In fact, to be a survivor needs intelligence , adaptation and love to learn.

Maybe it is very simplistic what I say, I know.
 
There's also the problem that these people are really ignorant of psychopathology. It's painful to watch them try to live by their old life, fake moralistic ideals while people are getting hurt as a result of it.
 
loreta said:
It is because we live in a modern society that we know nothing. In poor countries it is different, I think so. They know how to survive, to live with the minimal, how to do bread or things like that. They live with almost nothing and what they have is precious. This series make me reflect on what I have and be grateful of what the little I have.
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I watched two first episodes so far, and it looks very interesting, even if a bit unsettling to see how dire situations cause people to gravitate toward their inner tendencies, that were perhaps kept in check during more "civilized" times. It is indeed true, that a person's true nature can be revealed during impossible times.

As for the survival during harsh times, don't know if everyone had a chance to read the following SOTT focus, but maybe it should be brought here again, just as an example of possible strategies.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/147683-Survival-in-Times-of-Uncertainty-Growing-Up-in-Russia-in-the-1990s
 
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