The Ice Age Cometh! Forget Global Warming!

I would be reluctant to judge the imminent coming of an ice age based on one seasonal anomaly in isolation, or based on hyped-up media coverage during cold periods. Chances are one location will experience a colder winter than average while somewhere else in the world will experience a hotter summer at the same time. The world is a big place, and it has a good system for distributing heat and balancing the equation.

A potential trigger though and real threat to a future ice age forming quickly would be a volcanic eruption(s) at different locations around the world and in relatively close timing to each other. Perhaps in combination with a cold anomaly also - of course there's no way of predicting exactly when this might happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter

The scientist warning an ice age that 'could' start in the next five years would be correct. But that statement could have been also made by a dentist, a train driver, a teacher, or a garbage collector - they'd all be right.
 
As most of you will know, throughout the entire 'global warming' scam over the past 10 years or so, Sott.net has been repeatedly saying that we are staring into the face of a new ice age. Finally now, some official recognition...

https://www.sott.net/articles/show/240772-Forget-Global-Warming-It-s-Cycle-25-We-Need-to-Worry-About

"Leading climate scientists said that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a 'grand minimum' in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997."

Notice also that it was released "without fanfare". I BET it was! Given that this was the same research unit responsible for "climate gate" where 'scientists' were fixing the data to prove 'global warming'.

Notice however that, despite mentioning serious effects on the 'growing season' i.e. mass starvation, the British Met Office still plays down the threat and clings to, and tries to spread the lies of, 'man made global warming farce'

Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide

And they completely ignore that the Pentagon actually said all this 8 years ago!

https://www.sott.net/articles/show/125276-Now-the-Pentagon-tells-Bush-climate-change-will-destroy-us

Now the Pentagon tells Bush - climate change will destroy us

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.
 
More data:

Forget Global Warming - It's Cycle 25 We Need to Worry About

The supposed 'consensus' on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

Interestingly, that is exactly when the Cs brought up the topic:

22 February 1997

{...}
Q: (Laura) Ok, we have several things that we discussed earlier, is
there anything you wish to say before we launch into questions?
A: Underground bases see dramatic budget increase.
Q: (Laura) Ok, why do they have a budget increase?
A: Because there is much more activity to come.
Q: (Laura) Ok, what kind of activity?
A: Broad range.
Q: (Laura) Can you list, say, the top three?
A: Experimentation, utilization and implementation.
Q: (Laura & Terry) Of what?
A: Human "resources." Plan falling into place for "harvest."
Q: (Terry) The new underground bases, along with all the old ones are for
the coming harvest?
A: And other purposes of STS forces' plans.
Q: (Terry) And other STS plans... (Laura) What is this thing called 'The
Harvest'?
A: What do you think?
Q: (Laura) Well, is that harvest in a negative event, or harvest in a
positive one? I mean, as in the harvesting of the wheats and the
tares...
A: Either/or.
Q: (Laura) Ok, now you say the plans are falling into place. What
specific events of the past, say, several weeks, or months, whatever
period of time set aside, are these plans that are falling into place? I
mean, what's the key in the lock?
A: Have you been paying attention, as we have always
suggested you should?
Q: (Laura) Of course! I just asked you because I wanted you to
enumerate! Of course I'm paying attention!
A: Lately, there has been diversion for you.
Q: (Laura) Well, it doesn't mean I'm asleep! (V****) Can I ask a
question? If this is because there's much more activity, and things are
dramatically increasing, what has come to them, or whatever...
A: V*** mentioned the weather. Was that a bit "nippy" for you in
central Europe in December and January, Arkadiusz?

Q: (Terry) V*** mentioned the weather, and the changes in it. What
was the name of that movie we watched up in Tallahassee, I forgot the
name of it...

{Terry then spoke about a science fiction movie we saw. Aliens were here
among us, and were plotting to affect the weather in such a way as to
make the planet uninhabitable for us, but perfect for them. Naturally,
there was secrecy and coverups. Then the subject moved to the cell phone
towers that were noted in rural areas of North Florida. This then led
to a question about the cell phone towers. First part of question lost.]


Q: (Terry)...transmit to us and back... what can be transmitted? Can the
negative energy be focused through these microwave towers? (V***)
And what was the correlation between the strange weather and the
harvesting?
(Laura) Because we were told that the weather changes were
due to the energy buildup of the wave. That was two years ago. And it
had nothing to do with the 'harvest.'
(Terry) But it could also be that
HAARP adds to it. (Jan) Ok, well, let's ask... (Laura) Well, they would
love for us to think that HAARP has something to do with weather. 'Yes,
we're having bizzare weather. Let's blame it on HAARP!' because we're
going to think about HAARP... What a perfect... (Terry) Well, HAARP has
a lot more to do than just the weather. They can put all the
energy-based stuff that they've been experimenting on in one place,
because they can do whatever they want, just by changing the
frequencies... (Jan) Or, even just continue to mess the weather up, to
continue to create negative vibrations, worry and uncertainty...
(V***) I guess the point I'm trying to get at is, are these weather
changes promoting some changes in the physical body, that's making the
physical body more 'harvestable?' (Terry) Could very well be. (Laura)
Well, it's all interconnected, but I wouldn't say that one is the cause
of the other, just to say that they occur... (Terry) But why, as we were
talking about earlier, is all this weird stuff going on all through the
media?
A: We told you that "HAARP" was being designated for
capturing and modulating electromagnetic fields for the purpose of total
control of brainwave patterns in order to establish a system of complete
"order on the surface of the planet" in either 3rd or 4th density.

Q: (Laura) Is HAARP in operation at the present time?
A: Yes, in its early stages.
Q: (Terry) Is the spreading of all these communication towers out across
the country the equivalent of a HAARP program on a continental scale?
A: Back up system.
Q: (Laura) So, they don't need the towers to operate the HAARP system,
but they are there as the backup?
A: Towers serve dual and lateral purposes.
Q: (Terry) Local and regional authorities can use the towers to track
people, amongst other things. (Laura) Is the weather being controlled or
changed or in any way affected by HAARP?
A: Climate is being influenced by three factors, and soon a fourth.
Q: (Laura) All right, I'll take the bait; give me the three factors, and
also the fourth!.
A: 1) Wave approach.
2) Chloroflorocarbon increase in atmosphere, thus
affecting ozone layer.
3) Change in the planet's axis rotation
orientation.
4) Artificial tampering by 3rd and 4th density
STS forces in a number of different ways. {...}
Q: (Laura) All right, were those given in the order in which they are
occurring? The fourth being the one that's coming later?
A: Maybe, but remember this: a change in the speed of the rotation may
not be reported while it is imperceptible except by instrumentation.
Equator is slightly "wider" than the polar zones. But, this discrepancy
is decreasing slowly currently. One change to occur in 21st Century is
sudden glacial rebound, over Eurasia first, then North America. Ice ages
develop much, much, much faster than thought.
{...}
Q: (Jan) What causes the change in the axis?
A: By slow down of rotation. Earth alternately heats up and cools down in
interior.
Q: (Laura) Why does it do that? What's the cause of this?
A: Part of cycle related to energy exerted upon surface by
the frequency resonance vibrational profile of humans and others.

Back to the article:

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a 'grand minimum' in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food. {Global warming would actually be a GOOD thing for growing food!}

Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak.

We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call 'Cycle 24' - which is why last week's solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.

Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona - derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun's surface - suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.

According to a paper issued last week by the Met Office, there is a 92 per cent chance that both Cycle 25 and those taking place in the following decades will be as weak as, or weaker than, the 'Dalton minimum' of 1790 to 1830. In this period, named after the meteorologist John Dalton, average temperatures in parts of Europe fell by 2C.

However, it is also possible that the new solar energy slump could be as deep as the 'Maunder minimum' (after astronomer Edward Maunder), between 1645 and 1715 in the coldest part of the 'Little Ice Age' when, as well as the Thames frost fairs, the canals of Holland froze solid.

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Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible - because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide. Although the sun's output is likely to decrease until 2100, 'This would only cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08C.' Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: 'Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.'

{Duuuuuhhhh!}

These findings are fiercely disputed by other solar experts.

'World temperatures may end up a lot cooler than now for 50 years or more,' said Henrik Svensmark, director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research at Denmark's National Space Institute. 'It will take a long battle to convince some climate scientists that the sun is important. It may well be that the sun is going to demonstrate this on its own, without the need for their help.'

He pointed out that, in claiming the effect of the solar minimum would be small, the Met Office was relying on the same computer models that are being undermined by the current pause in global-warming.

CO2 levels have continued to rise without interruption and, in 2007, the Met Office claimed that global warming was about to 'come roaring back'. It said that between 2004 and 2014 there would be an overall increase of 0.3C. In 2009, it predicted that at least three of the years 2009 to 2014 would break the previous temperature record set in 1998.

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So far there is no sign of any of this happening. But yesterday a Met Office spokesman insisted its models were still valid.

'The ten-year projection remains groundbreaking science. The period for the original projection is not over yet,' he said. :pinocchio:

Dr Nicola Scafetta, of Duke University in North Carolina, is the author of several papers that argue the Met Office climate models show there should have been 'steady warming from 2000 until now'.

'If temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again, the divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become so great that the whole scientific community will question the current theories,' he said.

He believes that as the Met Office model attaches much greater significance to CO2 than to the sun, it was bound to conclude that there would not be cooling. 'The real issue is whether the model itself is accurate,' Dr Scafetta said. Meanwhile, one of America's most eminent climate experts, Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology, said she found the Met Office's confident prediction of a 'negligible' impact difficult to understand.

'The responsible thing to do would be to accept the fact that the models may have severe shortcomings when it comes to the influence of the sun,' said Professor Curry. As for the warming pause, she said that many scientists 'are not surprised'.

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She argued it is becoming evident that factors other than CO2 play an important role in rising or falling warmth, such as the 60-year water temperature cycles in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

'They have insufficiently been appreciated in terms of global climate,' said Prof Curry. When both oceans were cold in the past, such as from 1940 to 1970, the climate cooled. The Pacific cycle 'flipped' back from warm to cold mode in 2008 and the Atlantic is also thought likely to flip in the next few years .

Pal Brekke, senior adviser at the Norwegian Space Centre, said some scientists found the importance of water cycles difficult to accept, because doing so means admitting that the oceans - not CO2 - caused much of the global warming between 1970 and 1997.

The same goes for the impact of the sun - which was highly active for much of the 20th Century.

'Nature is about to carry out a very interesting experiment,' he said. 'Ten or 15 years from now, we will be able to determine much better whether the warming of the late 20th Century really was caused by man-made CO2, or by natural variability.' {If you - or anybody - survive, you idiot!}

Meanwhile, since the end of last year, world temperatures have fallen by more than half a degree, as the cold 'La Nina' effect has re-emerged in the South Pacific.

'We're now well into the second decade of the pause,' said Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. 'If we don't see convincing evidence of global warming by 2015, it will start to become clear whether the models are bunk. And, if they are, the implications for some scientists could be very serious.'

Well, guess what, you probably won't have a job in 2015 to analyze any evidence.

These are scientists???? :headbash:
 
MikeJoseph82 said:
I would be reluctant to judge the imminent coming of an ice age based on one seasonal anomaly in isolation, or based on hyped-up media coverage during cold periods. Chances are one location will experience a colder winter than average while somewhere else in the world will experience a hotter summer at the same time. The world is a big place, and it has a good system for distributing heat and balancing the equation.

A potential trigger though and real threat to a future ice age forming quickly would be a volcanic eruption(s) at different locations around the world and in relatively close timing to each other. Perhaps in combination with a cold anomaly also - of course there's no way of predicting exactly when this might happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter

The scientist warning an ice age that 'could' start in the next five years would be correct. But that statement could have been also made by a dentist, a train driver, a teacher, or a garbage collector - they'd all be right.

Maybe you would like to read the thread "Re: Ice Age "News" is Wrong--It's Coming Sooner Than Later" starting here and, then, read the entire thread to get our take on ice ages.

Your thinking (opinion) about the only way an ice age could form quickly is via volcanoes is wrong.

There are also a lot of articles on SOTT.net that discuss this, along with the above referenced thread.
 
Vulcan59 said:
Reporting on the exact same article, NewsRoomAmerica headlined it as, New Research Show Earth Has Not Cooled in 15 Years. :shock: Wonder how many will not read pass the headlines! :mad:

Utterly bizarre! The first sentence says: "New data released by a noted climate research institute last week indicated that the earth has not warmed in more than a decade,"

Are we seeing cognitive dissonance here or deliberate fraud?
 
Laura said:
Vulcan59 said:
Reporting on the exact same article, NewsRoomAmerica headlined it as, New Research Show Earth Has Not Cooled in 15 Years. :shock: Wonder how many will not read pass the headlines! :mad:

Utterly bizarre! The first sentence says: "New data released by a noted climate research institute last week indicated that the earth has not warmed in more than a decade,"

Are we seeing cognitive dissonance here or deliberate fraud?

I emailed the author, so we'll see what happens.

Meanwhile, here are the results of a predictive model that used 50% of the power of a gnat's brain to compute:

sunspots.jpg
 
Perceval said:
Laura said:
Vulcan59 said:
Reporting on the exact same article, NewsRoomAmerica headlined it as, New Research Show Earth Has Not Cooled in 15 Years. :shock: Wonder how many will not read pass the headlines! :mad:

Utterly bizarre! The first sentence says: "New data released by a noted climate research institute last week indicated that the earth has not warmed in more than a decade,"

Are we seeing cognitive dissonance here or deliberate fraud?

I emailed the author, so we'll see what happens.

Meanwhile, here are the results of a predictive model that used 50% of the power of a gnat's brain to compute:

sunspots.jpg

:lol:

Punxsutawney Phil would do a better job than these numbnuts.

"It's getting cold out there folks, a thousand more years of winter to come..."
 
Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: 'Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.'

This is too splendid :barf:

Like they signed: Money back guarantee in 10 years:

'The ten-year projection remains groundbreaking science. The period for the original projection is not over yet,' he said. :pinocchio:

:applause so loud:
 
It is always amazing how belief plays a role in those pseudo-scientific declarations. It doesn't come only from scientific journalist who can be excused not to be aware of the details of the scientific debate, but from the scientists themselves! I personally stopped arguing with warmists, it's exactly like talking to fundamentalist religious (in fact, it is literally).

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Hi Nienna,

Quote from Nienna Eluch on: Yesterday at 04:18:36 PM
Your thinking (opinion) about the only way an ice age could form quickly is via volcanoes is wrong.

I didn't say it was the only way an ice age could form quickly - I said it's a potential trigger in combination with other influences. I'm well aware of the role the sun can play, combined with the other influences mentioned by the C's.

Quote from Laura on: Yesterday at 01:39:24 PM
A: Climate is being influenced by three factors, and soon a fourth.
Q: (Laura) All right, I'll take the bait; give me the three factors, and
also the fourth!.
A: 1) Wave approach.
2) Chloroflorocarbon increase in atmosphere, thus
affecting ozone layer.
3) Change in the planet's axis rotation
orientation.
4) Artificial tampering by 3rd and 4th density
STS forces in a number of different ways. {...}

Volcanoes and inducing multiple eruptions at once would be one example of a way 3rd and 4th STS could artificially tamper with things to get their required outcome.
 
mkrnhr said:
it's exactly like talking to fundamentalist religious

Or vegetarians (at least some of them)! As if the more someone holds wrong beliefs, the more they want to seem right. :huh:
 
Perceval said:
Laura said:
Vulcan59 said:
Reporting on the exact same article, NewsRoomAmerica headlined it as, New Research Show Earth Has Not Cooled in 15 Years. :shock: Wonder how many will not read pass the headlines! :mad:

Utterly bizarre! The first sentence says: "New data released by a noted climate research institute last week indicated that the earth has not warmed in more than a decade,"

Are we seeing cognitive dissonance here or deliberate fraud?

I emailed the author, so we'll see what happens.

They changed it. Now it reads "New Research Show Earth Has Not Warmed in 15 Years".
 
Belibaste said:
mkrnhr said:
it's exactly like talking to fundamentalist religious

Or vegetarians (at least some of them)! As if the more someone holds wrong beliefs, the more they want to seem right. :huh:

This strange, obsessive need to overpower others is very telling. It means that their adaptive subconscious actually knows that they are thinking against reality.
 
Here's our local forecast with that Siberian cold air moving our way. Keep in mind, we are in the South of France!


Wednesay night/Thursday morning: some snow -5 celsius

Thursday afternoon, flurries, sunny intervals -2 celsius

Thursday night/Friday morning -7 celsius severe frost

Friday afternoon -1 celsius, sunny intervals

Friday night/Saturday morning -7 celsius severe frost

Saturday afternoon -1 celsius sunny intervals

Saturday night/Sunday morning - snow flurries -5 celsius

Sunday afternoon +1 celsius, sunny intervals snow flurries

Sunday night/Monday moring -4 celsius snow flurries

Monday afternoon +2 celsius snow flurries

Monday night/Tuesday morning -4 celsius moderate snow fall

Tuesday afternoon +2 celsius moderate snow fall
 
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