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The Situation In Germany
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msasa79
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Agree.
Still recovering from the shock when the elder not-so-attractive woman politician said that calling her old and ugly is enough to draw you to court. Wondering if writing something like that online to myself on my FB or X wall for example, would that also constitute a crime in today Germany, which started to look much more like Germany 80+ years ago.
Hopefully the coming elections would bring some positive changes there.
dredger
The Living Force
This is what we all hope. Leaving in BE, i feel much concerned about what is going on in this country, but do not follow it as i do not speak german, and also because with what happens in FR that i followed almost from day to day, i have already enough.Hopefully the coming elections would bring some positive changes there.
What i noticed recently is some discussions on linkedin about what is happening in germany. Some comments are jaw-dropping, ridiculous or, depenind on my current mood i can consider them as "funny" (when i'm cynical of course). They really did something bad to the average population with their propaganda, and the first ones to be trapped in this fictional parralel universe are mainly the ones who have high positions which give them confidence and so on. From my point of view, but this is rather a general/common critic of these people, it's that they completely failed at managing their ego and i wonder if they, in fact, have the capacity to do it. They make me think about the zombie concept, just that it was adapted for movies, movies which require "visual", but in fact, the zombie concept describes this kind of people. In the reality, the virus, because it's usually a story about a virus, does not affect the body, but affects the minds. Some name it the wetiko virus. Here we are, these people are intellectual zombies. Not to forget the ones who are simply traitors, the ones who are paid or blackmailed (or a bit of both) to spread the false narratives.
I wonder how it's going to unfold, this forthcoming election has a very high potential for disturbances. The PTB simply can't let the afd win, it's vital for them to maintain their grasp on the EU. It's a broad (ie: population is involved as its an election) and high level fight (at the level of the politics with the Trump administration backuping the AFD) we are assisting. Let's buy popcorns !
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An article by P.Gosselin at NoTricksZone about Germany. 
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Germany Is Turning Into An Unlivable Tyranny
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Unfortunately what was revealed in the 60 minutes piece about strong totalitarian tendencies in Germany from the woke/left/green crowd and the current political leadership is just the tip of the iceberg. How far Germany has once again gone in that direction could be seen clearly during the plandemic which only accelerated that trend. Germans under the leadership of the current political class very quickly reverted to the old tendencies during the Nazi times with people reporting on each other and the government cracking down on everyone that questioned or refused to follow orders. Yes, Germany is in a very dangerous place once again and it seems only the AfD could change course. A party that has been defamed as „Nazi“ relentlessly and put out of the political discourse. I‘m willing to bet that they have the majority of votes now, unless they rigg the elections (which is likely). The strong downward trend has really kicked in ever since that strange woman by the name of Angela Merkel started to ruin this country.
It slowly and steadily progressed over the last couple of years. Filed lawsuits against caricatures came up about 1.5 years ago, when the farmers protested against Habeck and co. Farmers did show signs, that they disagree with the politic that is done. At this time also house searches started already.
Luckily, from the caricatures above, the court disagreed, and it is considered as caricatures.
Last year especially Faeser went against the alternative magazine Compact where even for the arrest media was present (it is a no-go). Which gave a bit of an upheaval and the court paused the process against the magazine and Elsässer, though accounts of him got frozen. Another alternative website deleted all its archives last year and another renowned writer, Reitschuster, gets regularly letters from courts regarding "hate-speech". He still stands and keeps on reporting, which is good and important.
Overall, Habeck and Co. got over 700 hate e-mails in 2023. And instead of reflecting, why he even got one such email, he and others went for lawsuits. Baerbock is also pretty famous for it. With that, a lawyer got fined recently and even threatened with debarment, pensioners and many other people got different fines. And not everything is known, of course.
Paraphrasing: "While using the trampoline, Baerbock too often hit the ceiling with her head"
As far as I can tell, the programming in Germany is complete. Because since childhood (schools) everyone got programmed to go against right, since of the Nazi-time. Right was always considered evil. Nonetheless, many, many people stand up. It will be interesting to see, how the election, this week comes around. Though I'm afraid, if the AfD should get the most votes, then a "firewall will be built" and a minority government formed of about 3 or 4 parties.
There probably aren't alternative polls to back that up, but is there any other data to support the idea that AFD is, most likely, the most popular party now?
In the US elections of 2020 and 2024, we could compare political rally sizes, social media numbers (how many were talking about which candidate or topic, etc.), and observe the losing side panicking and making mistakes.
Anything like that to report from Germany?
The current government is also responsible that people like the leader of the AfD, Alice Weidel, basically don‘t get personal protection like bodyguards, although that same government is doing their very best to fuel hatred and outright violence against those people.
I haven't looked too deeply into it, but it's clear the the AfD is massively popular online, judging by Tweet-Replies, YT comments, views and the like. Among young people in particular polls show massive support. But hard to draw conclusions about the "real numbers".
My hunch is that there is rigging going on (some low-level rigging had been documented in prior elections where woke volunteers who count the votes took matters in their own hands), but support for AfD is not anywhere near MAGA levels.
What's interesting is that when asked in polls about specific issues, such as migration, climate change/Green policies, gender stuff etc., a majority of Germans pretty much reflects AfD talking points, often reaching super-high numbers if memory serves. But it seems it doesn't translate to votes for the AfD in many cases. I think it's because West-Germans have been brainwashed and guilt-tripped so hard since WWII by the US/the West that they would rather "deFeNd dEmoCraCy" than voting for what they actually believe and what's in their interests. The "Nazi cudgel", amazingly, still works in West Germany. There are even many super-conservative or libertarian people who agree with almost everything the AfD says yet don't support it because "muh Nazis" (I follow some of them on X).
Will be interesting to see how all that translates in the next elections, because Germany has been hit so hard especially with mass migration and economic downturn/inflation that even many West Germans might say "enough". Hard to say. And if so, maybe the PTB in Germany thought they could get away with only minimal rigging and will wake up surprised. That would be the optimistic take. More likely, West-Germans will continue with their masochism, and even in the east it won't be enough. We'll see!
I didn’t track size numbers of rallies and such, so I can’t really say. Although I seem to remember that there were rather large crowds during covid and such that were covered up.
The sad truth was, at least until recently, that Germans in general tend to be one of the most programmed people because of our past and all the programming afterwards. They also tend to be very authoritarian and follow every crap higher powers consider to “be good“.
So, realistically speaking, you can’t really compare Germany with the spirit and way that ordinary people like in America fight and think.
But the current government (starting before that, with Merkel) have been so extremely on the distruction course, in so many areas, with very bad results, that even programmed people have been “waking up“.
So, it is hard to tell. And as Gawan said, even if AfD gets most votes, our strange “democratic“ system could create a government that excludes the AfD! At least that is how I understand it.
Good point. While it is customary that the party with the most seats in parliament gets to form a coalition and supply the Chancellor, this isn't enshrined in law. So even if the AfD comes out the strongest party, the other factions can conspire to form a government without the AfD and elect one of them chancellor.
As it stands, the "firewall" (cordon sanitaire) prevents the CDU from forming a coaltion with the AfD, which would be the only way for the CDU to actually enact some of the policies they promised during the campaign (ending masss migration etc.). If the CDU doesn't form a coalition with the AfD, the only option would be to do so with the SPD and the Greens, and/or possibly the left-wing "die Linke". But since all of these parties are essentially woke retards, this would mean nothing changes, and the coaltion would likely blow up shortly anyway.
There is still another option, called "minority government", where the CDU would form a government without a coaltion with the other parties, but rely on votes from the AfD to do so. It's also called "government tolerated by another party", in this case the AfD. Of course, this would still give the AfD power to block/demand concessions on every law that is passed and so on, so it still would represent a breach of the "firewall". After his initial foray into weakening the firewall, Merz now categorically rejects any form of collaboration with the AfD.
So the German voter has basically 2 non-options: either vote for the AfD, knowing that unless they get an absolute majority (unlikely), they won't be anywhere near the government. Or vote for any of the other parties, which would bring exactly the same policies as before. (Except perhaps Wagenknecht's BSW, but they won't be anywhere near the government either.)
In Saxony, we have the first minority state government with the CDU and SPD. The CDU got in the elections last year 31.9 % and the AfD 30.6 %. After the election, something happened which was rigging because there happened a "software" mistake.
„Wahlkorrektur“ in Sachsen nach Softwarefehler
Stellen Sie sich vor, es ist Wahlabend. Der Fernseher flimmert, die Spannung steigt und plötzlich wird klar: Die AfD könnte in Sachsen eine Sperrminorität halten. Für viele ist das ein Schock, für andere eine Bestätigung des erwarteten...
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The fact alone that Merz clearly stated that he considers working with the greens, SPD and others after the election, clearly means, as Weidel keeps mentioning, that you can already see that Merz/CDU will basically create a government that will do the same things as before and the exact opposite of what CDU/Merz are now suddenly claiming and probably most of the population demands. It also means that exactly the same government that just collapsed because of their extremely bad performance will be back in power with exactly the same people leading it!
Weidel/AfD is right and smart in pointing out that simple fact over and over again. But it also means that even if you are programmed and have just half a brain left, that you can’t/shouldn’t vote for the CDU and instead either not vote at all, vote for a small party like BSW which can hardly make any changes, or for the AfD. That fact alone could make quite some difference in this election (if no frauds take place).
Weidel/AfD is right and smart in pointing out that simple fact over and over again. But it also means that even if you are programmed and have just half a brain left, that you can’t/shouldn’t vote for the CDU and instead either not vote at all, vote for a small party like BSW which can hardly make any changes, or for the AfD. That fact alone could make quite some difference in this election (if no frauds take place).
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It's a similar situation in Ireland, where the last two elections have returned the same 'mainstream coalition govts to keep out the genuine opposition', except that the 'firewalled party' isn't a populist nationalist one, it's a populist leftist (thus, woke, globalist, etc.) one!
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