The Vegetarian Myth

[mkrnhr]

Re: Vegetarian Myth

The reaction, after all what have been discussed here in the forum, on SOTT and in the DCM about the subject of diet, is clearly that of a deep program being hurt and trying to survive. Truth hurts almost always and maybe it is a opportunity to observe the self, and the data related to health and diet. Many of us have been vegetarians but facts are facts, even if they hurt our beliefs.

 

[Laura]

Re: Vegetarian Myth

I am disappointed & disgusted that SOTT would stoop so low as to carry this ill-written rant & then delete the link provided by Topher - if this were not bad enough, there is another poorly researched article about "killer rats" - both unsubstantiated nonsense. I shall be "un-liking" this site on my FaceBook page, & leaving the forum.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229711-The-Vegetarian-Myth

I daresay you will be deleting this entry as well.

You can be "disappointed and disgusted" all you want; it only reveals that you are present with an agenda to subvert our work and direction.

You seem to forget that SOTT was created by me to pursue definite lines of inquiry and exposure of particular principles. The inspiration for that line of force is - in case you are unaware of it - the Cassiopaean Experiment. That experiment and the corollary research reveals that if anything at all is clear, it is that human vegetarianism is deadly for the planet and all its denizens. If you don't like that conclusion, you haven't been paying attention to anything else we do here.

Basically, don't let the door hit you on the way out!

 

[Laura]

Re: Vegetarian Myth

I should add that, after reading all of Taitai's posts (36 in a period of 3 years or so), it seems that her physical problems - which she has discussed a number of times - would be greatly ameliorated by a high meat/fat and low residue diet. She is gluten free, but it is clear from our research and experimentation that there are a lot of other detrimental elements in other grains and most vegetables which produce exactly the symptoms that Taitai experiences. Also, she eats cheese and suffers migraines. Need I say more?

 

[Juba]

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Oh this is such interesting thread, it is actally quite funny coincidence, that yesterday on FB when one of my friends posted some links for translations of SOTT reports videos and Sott links related vegetarian myth had a full blown attack because "vegetarian militarist" (sorry could not find better explanation) exploded with number of accusations all of them seems funny but he was so stubborn and hypnotised with his "golden calf" of vegetarianism that he even did not want to read SOTT articles or watch the video (Connecting the dots), immediately all of us who were taking about benefits of paleo-diet, we were heretics and animal killers, people without empathy and liars. I agree with Laura, for sure all of neuro-toxins in vegetarian's brains must influence the way they thinking plus couple of ego programs of type "who do you think you are to tell me what I should eat" It was quite shocked because some of posts were even rude so this is obviously "normal" reaction form this kind of people.

 

[Kaigen]

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Ohh yes! I can sing a nice song about this veg thematic. I had also a big discussion with one family member who is also "vegmilits" He was telling me things about the Vegans life and how better it is from what I'm doing now, eating death animals. I was trying to bring hem down and to tell him that there is truth out there but you have to find it you self. I gave also few tips for books. He was so offensive that he started to post on my FB wall things till I stopped it and banned him from my friends.

 

[Gaby]

Re: Vegetarian Myth

Ohh yes! I can sing a nice song about this veg thematic. I had also a big discussion with one family member who is also "vegmilits" He was telling me things about the Vegans life and how better it is from what I'm doing now, eating death animals. I was trying to bring hem down and to tell him that there is truth out there but you have to find it you self. I gave also few tips for books. He was so offensive that he started to post on my FB wall things till I stopped it and banned him from my friends.

Sounds like quite a major blind spot and buffering mechanism that prevents him from knowing the truth:

"The truth is that agriculture is the most destructive thing humans have done to the planet, and more of the same won't save us. The truth is that agriculture requires the wholesale destruction of entire ecosystems. The truth is also that life isn't possible without death, that no matter what you eat, someone has to die to feed you." - The Vegetarian Myth

The vegetarian version of Right Man Syndrome!:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5.msg9855#msg9855

They are "right," everyone else is wrong, their case is special and unique, and that is that.

They will argue and nitpick and so on. And we know what this comes from: the energy of the emotional center has been aroused and usurped by the intellect to fuel its frenzied and frantic need to "self-calm" They MUST stop this "bad feeling" at all costs, and if the only way they can stop it is to make everything and everyone out there "wrong" about them. [...]

Self-calming illusions thrive on certain mechanical characteristics of human beings. The first characteristic is "absolute certainty." In this sense, it is a sort of terminal consciousness in which development is stopped because real growth and development includes, of necessity, uncertainty and risk.

The gift of being able to see ourselves as others see us would save us from many errors and foolish thoughts and ridiculous behavior , and we would most certainly cease being devoted to those things that shore up and support our illusions about ourselves. [...]

This then leads to another aspect of the Right Man: "self-righteousness." They MUST look down on others who do not share their illusion! It is extremely important to get others to believe in their illusion in order to confirm its "rightness" even if they claim, on the surface, that "everyone has the right to their own opinion." The fact is, they cannot tolerate anyone else's opinion if it is different from their own because it threatens their "rightness."

This rightness MUST be maintained at all costs because, deep inside, the Right Man (or woman) is usually struggling with horror at their own helplessness. Their rightness is a dam that holds back their worst fears: that they are lost and alone and that there really is no god because how could there be a god who loves them if they have to suffer so much? Their inability to feel truly loved and accepted deep within is, in effect, like being stranded in a nightmare from which they cannot wake up.

 

[Lilou]

Re: Vegetarian Myth

I should add that, after reading all of Taitai's posts (36 in a period of 3 years or so), it seems that her physical problems - which she has discussed a number of times - would be greatly ameliorated by a high meat/fat and low residue diet. She is gluten free, but it is clear from our research and experimentation that there are a lot of other detrimental elements in other grains and most vegetables which produce exactly the symptoms that Taitai experiences. Also, she eats cheese and suffers migraines. Need I say more?

I was thinking the same thing! After reading her 36 posts, it is clear a vegetarian diet is not helping her. She is most likely lacking good fat and complete proteins. And if I fell down, paralysed on one side of my body with a Hemiplegic Migraine - I would seriously reconsider my diet choices!

I wish the best for you Taitai - perhaps you can look at the latest diet research objectively, without emotional programs and reconsider your choices? It could make a world of difference in your overall health. Good luck.

 

[LQB]

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Ohh yes! I can sing a nice song about this veg thematic. I had also a big discussion with one family member who is also "vegmilits" He was telling me things about the Vegans life and how better it is from what I'm doing now, eating death animals. I was trying to bring hem down and to tell him that there is truth out there but you have to find it you self. I gave also few tips for books. He was so offensive that he started to post on my FB wall things till I stopped it and banned him from my friends.

Sounds like quite a major blind spot and buffering mechanism that prevents him from knowing the truth:

"The truth is that agriculture is the most destructive thing humans have done to the planet, and more of the same won't save us. The truth is that agriculture requires the wholesale destruction of entire ecosystems. The truth is also that life isn't possible without death, that no matter what you eat, someone has to die to feed you." - The Vegetarian Myth

Indeed, and I thought Eades review of the book was quite good!

*edit by mod* fixed the quotes

 

[kenlee]

For weeks now I've been feeling like really bad! Staph infections, overall body aches, bad knee, very painful to move especially in the morning (that was a biggie!), muscles that pulled very easily with the slightest twist of the body. I was taking vitamin supplements and all like that but it still wasn't helping much.

Then I eliminated just about all sugar, vegetables and fruits and ate nothing but bacon, spare ribs, duck, pork, beef, with maybe just a little bit of kale or peas to soak up the fats for breakfast and maybe a little more of that in the afternoon or evening. After two weeks of this I feel much stronger with no overall body pains and even my knee problem cleared up (although I had to take care of the staph infection with antibiotics).

So I KNOW eating animal fats makes a difference. What I also found is that I don't really need the vitamin supplements any more (although I take magnesium and kelp) since my energy level has increased tremendously throughout the day and my weight is coming down a lot faster. This doesn't mean that I won't continue to take the mega vitamins every now and again but after eating fatty meats I don't think much about taking the mega vitamins and have to remind myself to take them.

Many vegetarians have told me that they started to feel weaker after eliminating meat from their diet but then after awhile they felt better. But IMO they didn't really feel better, they simply adapted to a weaker physical state. They would forget what it felt like after eating meat, which was feeling healthier and stronger!

 

[Teresa]

Quote from kenlee

Many vegetarians have told me that they started to feel weaker after eliminating meat from their diet, but then after awhile they felt better. But IMO they didn't "feel better" they simply adapted to their weaker physical state. They would forget what it felt like after eating meat, which was feeling healthier and stronger!

I have to agree that observation. In my 30's I was a vegetarian and would get completely knocked out with whatever bug or virus was going around. I finally went to a doctor and asked if it could be my diet but he said no. There were times when I would actually crave meat which bothered me because I was under the impression that eating meat was not healthy. I eventually gave in and started eating meat again and I definitely have more energy and get sick less. And I love bacon. :P

 

[doublea1535]

Many vegetarians have told me that they started to feel weaker after eliminating meat from their diet but then after awhile they felt better. But IMO they didn't really feel better, they simply adapted to a weaker physical state. They would forget what it felt like after eating meat, which was feeling healthier and stronger!

I went vegan for a while, and for me it was the reverse. I felt great for a few months after I first started, then my energy levels got more and more sluggish. Looking back, I see it as an animal product fast of sorts, and feel it had beneficial affects for me in the long run. I was eating the typical poor quality meat prior to that, and also drinking milk so it was good to stop that, at least for a bit. I should've reverted to eating meat sooner though, as my body was craving it. The cravings felt natural, as compared to the sugar cravings I get, which feels like some sort of blood sugar imbalance. But I persisted because I could not shake the negative association with meat and the meat industry. I had watched lots of documentary's and read a lot about factory farming and how animals are treated, and it plain grossed me out. I couldn't take a bite of meat without picturing some of that stuff for awhile.

The other benefit that came about when I switched to veganism, is I switched to all organic/free-range food as well. And when I reverted back to meat-eating, I kept that up. It's an expensive "hobby" for sure, but the quality of meat is much better. And so long as I can afford to eat like that, I can get my cake and eat it too. My body gets the quality animal fat and protein it requires, and I get to support a more harmonious arrangement with regards to animal welfare.

A few months ago, after reading one of the C sessions (I think) I decided to switch to pretty much only animal products. I eat french fries sometimes and that's pretty much all the vegetables I consume. So far, so great actually! Energy levels are higher and my body's chemicals/hormones feel more balanced. It feels like my body is getting exactly what it needs. I eat when I am hungry, and I eat til I am full. My snack foods are liverwurst and salami. About a month ago, I decided (for some reason) I would try some green beans that we already had. I cooked them up and put one in my mouth and reflexively spit it right back out. I hadn't even chewed it and it tasted horrible, not something my body wanted at all. For me, unless the vegetable acts as vessel for meat/fat (stuffed mushrooms, or a bit of coleslaw slathered in egg perhaps) it doesn't belong on my plate. :D

 

[mcb]

...The other benefit that came about when I switched to veganism, is I switched to all organic/free-range food as well. And when I reverted back to meat-eating, I kept that up. It's an expensive "hobby" for sure, but the quality of meat is much better. And so long as I can afford to eat like that, I can get my cake and eat it too. My body gets the quality animal fat and protein it requires, and I get to support a more harmonious arrangement with regards to animal welfare...

I ate vegan for two years (I never worried about leather shoes, etc. so I wasn't a "real" vegan). It proved to be more trouble than it was worth, though it did seem to serve as a kind of cleanout at first. Afterward, though, and until the last several months, I limited my meat intake, "having a little meat with my vegetables." When I transitioned to a high-fat, low-carb, neo-paleo diet, however, the benefits were immediate. You really have to try things, not just play with ideas in your head. The vegan phase was, for me, a mind game I didn't quite realize I was playing. I am shocked now at how much misinformation I received about food. I fell (once again) for "plausible lies," mixing fact with deliberate fiction.

Eating natural/organic meat may not be as expensive as it would at first appear. The key, for me, seems to be eliminating classes of foods that are linked with weight gain for people (like me) that have long term weight gain problems. After starting a paleo diet my appetite, which decades ago I had identified as somehow central to my weight problems, righted itself. Now I am finding myself wanting less and less food, and I am struggling to adjust my grocery shopping to match. For the second week in a row I have too much leftover meat. The cats are getting some of it.

It's a bit challenging right now to shop because I eliminated most foods that have long shelf life, and I have a job that makes it somewhat difficult to go shopping more than once a week. I think I am going to have to make extra shopping trips again for a while, though, until I have this sorted out.

 

[Laura]

Some of ya'll may wish to contribute to the comments under the article on sott. The Anti-meat/anti-smoking fascists are out in force!

 

[Hesper]

Some of ya'll may wish to contribute to the comments under the article on sott. The Anti-meat/anti-smoking fascists are out in force!

Yeah, doing a quick search on Lierre Keith reveals that she is extremely hated by the vegan community. Apparently she was even pied in the face at a conference, a year ago, which is on youtube. It's been a year and they're still going rabid over her book!
Here's the interview concerning the event:
wwwyoutubecom/watch?v=woFD8pp3rRU

 

[truth seeker]

Yeah, doing a quick search on Lierre Keith reveals that she is extremely hated by the vegan community. Apparently she was even pied in the face at a conference, a year ago, which is on youtube. It's been a year and they're still going rabid over her book!
Here's the interview concerning the event:
wwwyoutubecom/watch?v=woFD8pp3rRU

Yep, I either read or saw a video where she talks about the threats she's had against her. And now that you've said that, I'm starting to wonder if there isn't some cointelpro aspect involved. If not, then those vegetables are really doing their job! I mean, the way people come out of the woodwork without fail is really amazing.