The Vegetarian Myth

domwatts23 said:
My girlfriend is a vegetarian. She always was when she was young because of the moral issue. Then she changed due to a protein deficiency but now that she is older she decided last year to go back to it. she feels extremely strongly about it and i desperately want her to be open to changing back; her primary issue in changing back would be how badly all the animals consumed in my country (england) are treated. she is open to new ideas and certainly does listen to me, but has a real issue with the meat produced here and consuming it in general. i am about to buy the vegetarian myth but im not sure if it will change her mind. is there any advice anyone can give me?
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While I understand that her reasons are based on lack of consideration of the fact that there are other alternatives, I'd suggest that if she feels that strongly about it, you may want to allow her the free will to make that decision.

The two parts in bold stuck out for me. It seems that you may be trying to impose your ideas on her. Perhaps you may want to consider that you may be placing your needs above her own?
 
domwatts23 said:
Thanks for your comment truthseeker, I think you are probably right.
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As Gimpy said, it's hard to watch those we care about do things we know are harmful to them but she does need to make this decision on her own. Who knows, maybe she'll come around by seeing the example you set? And if she does make that decision herself, you won't have to face the possible fallout later due to her feeling resentful. Everyone wants and needs to feel accepted as they are. When we do, it creates a safe space where one can grow and learn.

At some point though, you may want to look into these feelings you have and see if they come into play in other aspects of your relationship.
 
I agree that you should NOT impose your views on your girlfriend. Whatever opportunities come up to gently give her the chance to get the truth about human diet and make up her own mind is the way to go.

Also, as was mentioned, nobody is talking about factory farming here. There's a huge difference in the quality of life of the animals who are free to graze and the quality of the meat and those of the horrendous factory farming operations.
 
I came upon this today, and I was excited to see Political Ponerology being spread, until I read their posts :shock: So I'd like to offer this exhibit as evidence to the results of Lierre Keith's experience and research regarding the effects of vegan/vegetarian diets on the brains of people. From the 30 Bananas A Day - The High Carb Raw Vegan Lifestyle (not kidding)! forum:
_http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/political-ponerology-relevant-to-modern-life-important?xg_source=activity

Political Ponerology (relevant to modern life, important)

Posted by StyleStacker on February 9, 2012 at 11:41pm in Off topic Chat
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Political Ponerology is a book. "Ponerology" is a term that means "the study of evil" and the book applies this to politics. It discusses "ponerogenesis" which is basically how evil is born. The information in this book is VERY relevant to our lives today and if you read it then you will see it in action all over the place. I've been noticing it in the raw food movement lately and so this is why I bring it up. A lot of you seem confused as to what is happening, why are so many people going 'back' to eating meat and cooked (I guess a lot were never raw/vegan anyway) and what the deal with all this change is. You can make excuses and say "oh not enough fruit!" but thats only a part of the picture. The real deal is that the ideology of eating raw plant foods for health (of the individual and the world outside themselves) has been infected by pathological persons who hijacked the raw food movement for their own purposes (money/fame/etc.). This has allowed for the ponerogenesis process to begin and has opened the door to even more pathological individuals who would not have been able to get involved in the "raw food" movement (which is no longer accurately named) during its earlier stages. Its called "raw foodism" but didn't vegan used to be an important part? Seems like raw animal products are gaining popularity and have slithered their way into the movement. Anyway, I implore you all to read this book if you honestly want to understand what is going on (instead of just saying "I don't get it! it makes no sense!") and what you can do about it. If you choose narrow mindedness and project your personal world view onto everyone, you won't get it. If you accept and respect the fact that others have a different world view than you and a different experience, you can begin to understand why some people do things that don't make sense to you. The book is very relevant to our lives at this point in history and I think it is incredibly important to read and the information is practical, especially for those of you who say "lets use society to change society," well you need to understand society first.
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There's some interesting discussion below it too.

It is incredible how these people are "seeing" ponerology in the world only in their little vegan/raw food/starve-to-death movement, and how when people going back to eating meat (cooked nonetheless!) is a sign of ponerogenesis! People who work at slaughterhouses, says a person in reply below, must be psychopaths then...

:headbash:
 
Alana said:
I came upon this today, and I was excited to see Political Ponerology being spread, until I read their posts :shock: So I'd like to offer this exhibit as evidence to the results of Lierre Keith's experience and research regarding the effects of vegan/vegetarian diets on the brains of people. From the 30 Bananas A Day - The High Carb Raw Vegan Lifestyle (not kidding)! forum:
_http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/political-ponerology-relevant-to-modern-life-important?xg_source=activity

Political Ponerology (relevant to modern life, important)

Posted by StyleStacker on February 9, 2012 at 11:41pm in Off topic Chat
View Discussions

Political Ponerology is a book. "Ponerology" is a term that means "the study of evil" and the book applies this to politics. It discusses "ponerogenesis" which is basically how evil is born. The information in this book is VERY relevant to our lives today and if you read it then you will see it in action all over the place. I've been noticing it in the raw food movement lately and so this is why I bring it up. A lot of you seem confused as to what is happening, why are so many people going 'back' to eating meat and cooked (I guess a lot were never raw/vegan anyway) and what the deal with all this change is. You can make excuses and say "oh not enough fruit!" but thats only a part of the picture. The real deal is that the ideology of eating raw plant foods for health (of the individual and the world outside themselves) has been infected by pathological persons who hijacked the raw food movement for their own purposes (money/fame/etc.). This has allowed for the ponerogenesis process to begin and has opened the door to even more pathological individuals who would not have been able to get involved in the "raw food" movement (which is no longer accurately named) during its earlier stages. Its called "raw foodism" but didn't vegan used to be an important part? Seems like raw animal products are gaining popularity and have slithered their way into the movement. Anyway, I implore you all to read this book if you honestly want to understand what is going on (instead of just saying "I don't get it! it makes no sense!") and what you can do about it. If you choose narrow mindedness and project your personal world view onto everyone, you won't get it. If you accept and respect the fact that others have a different world view than you and a different experience, you can begin to understand why some people do things that don't make sense to you. The book is very relevant to our lives at this point in history and I think it is incredibly important to read and the information is practical, especially for those of you who say "lets use society to change society," well you need to understand society first.
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There's some interesting discussion below it too.

It is incredible how these people are "seeing" ponerology in the world only in their little vegan/raw food/starve-to-death movement, and how when people going back to eating meat (cooked nonetheless!) is a sign of ponerogenesis! People who work at slaughterhouses, says a person in reply below, must be psychopaths then...

:headbash:
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What a find Alana! This world view seems to deserve some serious clinical attention. It also indicates to me a serious obsession in this raw/vegan author. That one gets a double :headbash: :headbash:
 
Wow!! Talk about missing the point entirely! If that's what they got out of Political Ponerology, then they probably don't have any functioning neurons left. It's incredible how those with strong belief systems will try to make anything fit their narrow, rigid way of thinking. That is if they're not ignoring data and evidence that goes against their beliefs.
 
Yes, totally ponerized the word and understanding concepts to suit their world view. :( It will be interesting to see if this process of misguided word utilization continues, being used to suit others, without measure of understanding in their promotions, perhaps masking their singular unscientific narrow views as shown in example above.
 
Today i receive a link on my FB profile about Vegetarians

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

In the article they say that humans are natural plant-eaters. I react by saying that that is not true and i give them a link to the book Vegetarian Myth , and that was all.

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipid-hypothesis/the-vegetarian-myth/

Then they comment and some kind accused me for i`m not a vegan and because people are still not at the level where they will understand and realize that vegetarian diet is the future for mankind.
I cant belie what i have read. I have never comment or talked about this with vegans anywhere so i was a little surprised by the action.
They were so agresive and they judged me as i have done something wrong.
I still cant belive how they react
 
Yes, jovichmk, vegetarians and vegans can be very aggressive (similar to fundamentalists in their fanatical beliefs). Another myth is that meat eater are aggressive and vegetarians are not. Well, from my experience, generally it's the opposite (with many exceptions, of course). And vegetarians also tend to have a lot of instability with their moods.
 
LQB said:
Alana said:
I came upon this today, and I was excited to see Political Ponerology being spread, until I read their posts :shock: So I'd like to offer this exhibit as evidence to the results of Lierre Keith's experience and research regarding the effects of vegan/vegetarian diets on the brains of people. From the 30 Bananas A Day - The High Carb Raw Vegan Lifestyle (not kidding)! forum:
_http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/political-ponerology-relevant-to-modern-life-important?xg_source=activity

Political Ponerology (relevant to modern life, important)

Posted by StyleStacker on February 9, 2012 at 11:41pm in Off topic Chat
View Discussions

Political Ponerology is a book. "Ponerology" is a term that means "the study of evil" and the book applies this to politics. It discusses "ponerogenesis" which is basically how evil is born. The information in this book is VERY relevant to our lives today and if you read it then you will see it in action all over the place. I've been noticing it in the raw food movement lately and so this is why I bring it up. A lot of you seem confused as to what is happening, why are so many people going 'back' to eating meat and cooked (I guess a lot were never raw/vegan anyway) and what the deal with all this change is. You can make excuses and say "oh not enough fruit!" but thats only a part of the picture. The real deal is that the ideology of eating raw plant foods for health (of the individual and the world outside themselves) has been infected by pathological persons who hijacked the raw food movement for their own purposes (money/fame/etc.). This has allowed for the ponerogenesis process to begin and has opened the door to even more pathological individuals who would not have been able to get involved in the "raw food" movement (which is no longer accurately named) during its earlier stages. Its called "raw foodism" but didn't vegan used to be an important part? Seems like raw animal products are gaining popularity and have slithered their way into the movement. Anyway, I implore you all to read this book if you honestly want to understand what is going on (instead of just saying "I don't get it! it makes no sense!") and what you can do about it. If you choose narrow mindedness and project your personal world view onto everyone, you won't get it. If you accept and respect the fact that others have a different world view than you and a different experience, you can begin to understand why some people do things that don't make sense to you. The book is very relevant to our lives at this point in history and I think it is incredibly important to read and the information is practical, especially for those of you who say "lets use society to change society," well you need to understand society first.
Click to expand...

There's some interesting discussion below it too.

It is incredible how these people are "seeing" ponerology in the world only in their little vegan/raw food/starve-to-death movement, and how when people going back to eating meat (cooked nonetheless!) is a sign of ponerogenesis! People who work at slaughterhouses, says a person in reply below, must be psychopaths then...

:headbash:
Click to expand...

What a find Alana! This world view seems to deserve some serious clinical attention. It also indicates to me a serious obsession in this raw/vegan author. That one gets a double :headbash: :headbash:
Click to expand...

I was actually reading the girl who runs 30 bananas a day's Facebook page, since going on basically a carnivore diet, I find myself fascinated while watching vegans discussing diet/life.

They remind me so much of the fundamentalist Christians in the way they reason and argue.

In their defense, watching factory farming is truly disgusting, however, believing and convincing people to eat only fruit or only bananas is pretty much up there too.

Vegans truly believe they are saving the world from food to global warming by eating the way they eat and they really do seem to believe they are better than other people because of their diet.
 
It's like Lierre Keith keeps saying, MANY of these vegans/vegetarians actually have the right values, they just have the wrong information (disinformation/misinformation) -- they're ignorant. Plus there's plenty of ponerization that's crept in and influences these sincere and concerned ones. Many fall into the typical black-and-white thinking. Yeah, factory farming IS absolutely horrible. But it's not just the way they raise/treat/and kill the animals, it's how they're ecologically destroying the planet by growing mono-culture crops, as well -- as Keith makes clear, agriculture kills MUCH more life, both animal and plant, than animal slaughter operations ever can. And they never make the distinction between factory farming / CAFO's and free range, grass-fed methods.
 
Vegans also seem to get to decide what constitutes "feeling" and "pain". Where should you draw the line at killing? Even though we know plants can feel pain, they don't have "feelings" according to vegans, apparently you have to be able to scream to have feelings.
 
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