The Vegetarian Myth

[SeekinTruth]

Vegans also seem to get to decide what constitutes "feeling" and "pain". Where should you draw the line at killing? Even though we know plants can feel pain, they don't have "feelings" according to vegans, apparently you have to be able to scream to have feelings.

Well, that a major part of the illusion: That we can decide that taking and eating one form of life is superior to the taking and eating of other forms of life. The whole point is that in this reality, you HAVE to eat other life to live; that's the whole distraction with this "moral" stance. It helps to not think about the whole issue in an objective way. OSIT.

 

[zim]

I think many times they are just hungry. Been there, done that.

True. Malnourished, hungry, and irritated.

This is so true, my old brother become vegetarian a long time ago, saying the same thing " we have to eat just plants" and the danger of the meats, as I never buy it that though , I´ve always eat pork mainly he always was like " oh you are eating just garbage", but the main point is I cannot talk with him because of his mood he always is with bad mood!!!! It´s impossible to talk

It is incredible how these people are "seeing" ponerology in the world only in their little vegan/raw food/starve-to-death movement, and how when people going back to eating meat (cooked nonetheless!) is a sign of ponerogenesis! People who work at slaughterhouses, says a person in reply below, must be psychopaths then...

 

[Konstantin]

Since this theme ( the vegetarian myth ) started i noticed one thing. First of all i switched to low carb and high fat diet, and then i started to share articles from SOTT.NET and other sources about paleo diet and this Vegetarian myth. After a few weeks a lot of people liked or disliked that but i notice that they started to include me in many groups on facebook where they were talking about danger of not be vegan. About positive side of eating raw food, about sun-gazing. There are lot of considered parent who were asking some advice's for their children who were sick and all the time the answers is to go vegan or to go raw food. There are also many medical doctors who are telling people that its very bad to eat animals meat especially fats.One of then always says that we should eat 70% carbs, 20% plant proteins, and 10 % plant fats. Also with lot of grains . 90% of this people are women and lot of them have medical education . what a hell are they talking about. Just once i try to explain to them that they are wrong and they almost attacked me( i have explained this in my previous posts) . This is going very massive. I dont know why are they doing this. Why are they so stubborn and they don't want to listen any other idea. They use this person as example -JERICHO SUNFIRE. He is a fruitarian and breathtarian like he says for himself.And he says he is a " fitness guru". They are always taking hin as example for healthy person. It dont looks very healthy to me on the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4WcmcpQjOE&feature=related

If somebody tries to think differrent they say that" elephants and horses are eating only grass and see how muscular and strong they are" I cant understand how can they say that.how can they compare human physiology with a herbivore animal. Also they are always getting " proves" that humans are herbivore. I cant read that nonsense anymore. People are starting their kids on this terrible diet.

 

[Alana]

They are always taking hin as example for healthy person. It dont looks very healthy to me on the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4WcmcpQjOE&feature=related

I haven't watched the entire video, but at about 7:25 he talks about not being able to stand up for a while, and not because he was dizzy as he says, but because his body was so light.....

If somebody tries to think differrent they say that" elephants and horses are eating only grass and see how muscular and strong they are" I cant understand how can they say that.how can they compare human physiology with a herbivore animal. Also they are always getting " proves" that humans are herbivore. I cant read that nonsense anymore. People are starting their kids on this terrible diet.

Indeed, and the kids mirror their parents in "wearing it" like a badge of honor. I was recently on a school trip with two groups of teenagers, one from the Vancouver area (West) and the other from the Quebec area (East) of Canada.

Four children from Vancouver (the non-smoking, new agey, vegan capital of Canada) were vegetarians (all females, ages 11-14) and only an 11 year old female from the other group was vegetarian. Guess which of the kids were always tired, getting motion sickness from bus and metro rides, and getting sick unfortunately quite regularly. They were also the kids that kept getting lost, being late, forgot things/or the schedule. But when it came to their vegetarianism, they looked down on all us meat eaters!

 

[manitoban]

Indeed, and the kids mirror their parents in "wearing it" like a badge of honor. I was recently on a school trip with two groups of teenagers, one from the Vancouver area (West) and the other from the Quebec area (East) of Canada.

Four children from Vancouver (the non-smoking, new agey, vegan capital of Canada) were vegetarians (all females, ages 11-14) and only an 11 year old female from the other group was vegetarian. Guess which of the kids were always tired, getting motion sickness from bus and metro rides, and getting sick unfortunately quite regularly. They were also the kids that kept getting lost, being late, forgot things/or the schedule. But when it came to their vegetarianism, they looked down on all us meat eaters!

I've noticed the same thing happening more and more with kids. I know one boy, age 10 who gets sick constantly, and I mean off school several times every month with something, yet his parents proudly told me how "he cares so much about animals he chose to become a vegetarian". They never connect his ill health to the fact he basically eats nothing but bread, soy and carbs. The kids are definitely picking up the thought that somehow they are morally superior and doing something brave and good by giving up meat.

 

[Alana]

I've noticed the same thing happening more and more with kids. I know one boy, age 10 who gets sick constantly, and I mean off school several times every month with something, yet his parents proudly told me how "he cares so much about animals he chose to become a vegetarian". They never connect his ill health to the fact he basically eats nothing but bread, soy and carbs. The kids are definitely picking up the thought that somehow they are morally superior and doing something brave and good by giving up meat.

Indeed. And the fact that the parents have good intentions when following this diet, or even believing some doctor or ideology that tells them that vegetarianism is healthy or that it saves the earth and all that, it blinds them to seeing how their children are not as healthy as they could/should be :(

 

[MK Scarlett]

I've noticed the same thing happening more and more with kids. I know one boy, age 10 who gets sick constantly, and I mean off school several times every month with something, yet his parents proudly told me how "he cares so much about animals he chose to become a vegetarian". They never connect his ill health to the fact he basically eats nothing but bread, soy and carbs. The kids are definitely picking up the thought that somehow they are morally superior and doing something brave and good by giving up meat.

Indeed. And the fact that the parents have good intentions when following this diet, or even believing some doctor or ideology that tells them that vegetarianism is healthy or that it saves the earth and all that, it blinds them to seeing how their children are not as healthy as they could/should be :(

During the time I was vegetarian (5 years until last October), it can seems strange I guess, but I did not ask to my husband and my daughter to follow me, it seemed to me a personal decision and maybe unconsciously the "evidence" I was in a wrong way... And today my husband follow me in the paleo diet because today with it, I do not follow an "emotional idea" as vegetarianism was, even if in my case the reasons were highly ethic, they were not built on a good base, because it only was emotional and not decided by a scientist research, as today for paleo diet. It is a little bit difficult for my daughter, but she learns everydays...
I feel not so good for all these kids suffering because of ignorance...

 

[Konstantin]

OMG. Look what are they doing.

http://www.vegancats.com/

Vegan food for cats and dogs. And they are talking about killing. This is then a mass killing of the animals. How can one dog or car be vegan. Read the Questions and answers section , where people complain how their pets get sick on this food, and later they admit that if health issues continue, to start feed their pets with meat.

 

[Konstantin]

this is really bizzare

http://www.peta.org/issues/companion-animals/meatless-meals-for-dogs-and-cats.aspx

How far can this psychopaths go. This world is really going wrong way

 

[mcb]

OMG. Look what are they doing.

http://www.vegancats.com/

Vegan food for cats and dogs. And they are talking about killing. This is then a mass killing of the animals. How can one dog or car be vegan. Read the Questions and answers section , where people complain how their pets get sick on this food, and later they admit that if health issues continue, to start feed their pets with meat.

I've noticed some expensive, very unhealthy cat food brands on the shelfs at my local Whole Foods Market. It says a lot. Our cats have been doing very well on raw food. It's expensive, but so were the earlier vet bills. They are on their own 'paleo' diet.

 

[Gonzo]

I think for many, becoming a vegetarian might be an attempt to not feel helpless in a pathological world. When i be cam a vegetarian in my adolescence (what a terrible time for thinking you know it all), I was deep in my spiritual quest. I hadn't yet connected the dots, but certainly felt the world was unspiritual. This was the early 80s, when the world seemed on the brink of nuclear war and the level of selfishness and greed made me feel i had no control over my future.

After coming across religions like Buddhism and Hinduism and reading books like Diet for a Small Planet, I finally felt there was a way i could have an impact and actually made a difference - to not feel so helpless. The arguments were compelling and there wasn't anything obvious to contradict the arguments. I read how it took more acreage to grow food for a cow, which would only feed a few people compared to how many more could be fed if the acreage were used to grow plant based foods for people. I read how raising animals was also destroying the environment and how we would soon run out of food for our growing population.

Of course, i didn't realize how concerns over population and the environment were a distraction from the pathological issues that were truly the source of destruction in our world.

I remember the desire to do something right, something moral, to minimize my impact on all life around me was so strong that I was prepared to suffer under this diet if it meant not taking a life or adding to the suffering and misery of other life forms. It seemed like a for, of righteous suffering; perhaps a path to finding God's favour.

Five years later I came across The Secret Life of Plants and was mortified to discover even plants were sentient and had as much right to life as the animals I was avoiding eating. I was stuck with a dilemma: either I starve or accept the fact that in order to survive, I had to take life and had best take as little as possible. This thinking led me to searching for the most optimal way to feed myself and brought me back to eating meat.

Since the world seems even uglier, people in general, and kids in particular, must feel even more helpless then I did back then. So I wonder how much today's vegetarianism has to do with people in the misguided pursuit to find some way they avoid contributing to the pathological machine they find themselves in and take back a degree of control over their lives.

Gonzo

 

[realitybugll]

thanks for sharing. that is interesting. I agree it is something about taking control. I'd also be interested to know more about the association of vegetarianism to Hinduism. or to Christianity, it isn't so anymore, but I believe in the past a large majority of Christians fasted for 200 days of the year. this meant no animal fats; plant/seed based fats were substituted, and the only animal protein one could eat was fish. I learned this because I was looking at northern African diet. it was basically all meat until the christian faith migrated down from western Europe. Then it became very vegetarian.

You are talking about the modern vegetarian culture. from my immediate observations, it is still really popular with teenagers. One aspect is being healthy, the second is maybe in sake of principles. Also people I know became vegetarian at a really young-age, like 8 years old, when the parents are not vegetarians. that is some serious programming picked up from somewhere...

 

[LQB]

You are talking about the modern vegetarian culture. from my immediate observations, it is still really popular with teenagers. One aspect is being healthy, the second is maybe in sake of principles. Also people I know became vegetarian at a really young-age, like 8 years old, when the parents are not vegetarians. that is some serious programming picked up from somewhere...

And a third might be the (faulty) association of animal fat with human fat. This appears to be picked up early (especially in young girls), and coupled with the "quest" for "thinness", may end up a powerful motivation for many.

 

[Gonzo]

It seems a perfect (manufactured) storm: the need to regain control, the desire for thin body shapes, concerns over animal welfare and the environment, the desire to reflect the sacredness of life and the programming of animal fats as unhealthy. I think it would take more than a cabal of average thinkers to come up with such a successful plan.

I am interested in those who came to vegetarianism, apparently for no other reason than a dislike of meat, usually the flavour or texture. My teen-aged niece, for example, doesn't seem too concerned about changing her body image (if anything, I worry she thinks too highly of her looks), she has no spiritual leanings and lived a sheltered life, so she isn't all that aware of environmental or animal welfare concerns.

However, a couple of years ago, at 14, she decided to adopt a vegetarian-ish diet. She just didn't like any meat. When she was young, she was quite picky, but it seemed that her tastes kept changing, so you'd never know what her preferences were from one month to the next. The only thing I can link is that she started having problems with her stepfather, who, in our estimation, was emotionally abusive and her mother seemed to side with her partner. Since the stepfather often cooked the meats, she may have made a subconscious connection between him and meat.

She's currently living with us and we are always exposing her to new recipes with meat, in the hopes she will find something she likes. She appears to give an honest effort at trying but just doesn't like the taste, no matter what we prepare. Since she isn't avoiding meat out of moral or ethical reasons, we don't feel wrong in sneaking in bone broth or animal fats into "vegetarian" sauces we prepare for her. We've even told her we do it from time to time, and she wasn't upset.

So, if her taste is somehow correlated to an abusive parent and the food he prepared, we might have another contributing factor for vegetarianism. In many cultures, men play a role in preparing meats, be it cooking it or simply carving it once it's been cooked. Look at barbecuing - most is performed by men. So, in a patriarchal society where men cook meats, vegetarianism might be a natural result for those coping with dysfunctional fathers.

As a side thought, I'm curious to know what it took to get an entire people, Hindus for example, to adopt a vegetarian diet. Could it be as simple as a prophet dictating the new rules or does it require a slow transition, building upon multiple strategies?

Gonzo

 

[SeekinTruth]

Gonzo, as far as taking more than a cabal of average thinkers to come up with such a (multi-pronged and) successful plan, I think we shouldn't totally forget about Hyperdimensional manipulation. For the controllers here on 3rd density, any way they can get the people to be less healthy, less able to think clearly, more prone to addictions and cravings, more likely to believe lies and become adamant/zealous about them, and just not function well in any way, the better and easier to control them. But ultimately, the benefits REALLY accrue to 4D STS, OSIT. Same goes with the case of Hinduism, I'm pretty certain that there must have been quite a bit of 4D STS manipulation involved, like any other religion/belief system that gets spread.

That's pretty interesting about your niece, by the way. It's another reason to not eat meat that I hadn't thought of, and whether it really is that she just doesn't like the taste or there's deeper psychological issues of WHY she doesn't like it. It's a new twist for me....