Was Julius Caesar the real Jesus Christ?

I was reading gallic wars and looked for a map that gives synopsis of the events. found this. The amount of ground he covered is amazing in 15 years to make himself famous for future church's consumption.
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Finduilas495 said:
Then there's also this - it's only 648 pages instead of 1332 pages, condensed version maybe or only part of the book?

_http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hist-Writing-In-England-C550/dp/041560446X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391583699&sr=8-1&keywords=antonia+gransden

I think it is a two volume work, and the 1332 pages is the total number of pages in both volumes.

Volume One, originally published 1974, is xxiv, 610 pages. Volume Two, originally published 1982, is xxiv, 644 pages.

The later editions all seem to be reprints of the original edition as far as I can determine from the previews, i.e. they don't have new introductions or new material added. The variations in page numbering I think might be data-input errors somewhere.

In addition to the Amazon sites, _www.betterworldbooks.com, with free worldwide shipping, is sometime a good place to track down competitively priced ex-library copies. Shijing gave a link to Volume One of this title there (that copy seems to be sold now.)

As Dant noted there are copies on Abebooks around the US$80 to US$120 per volume.

Some of the Abebooks sellers (perhaps about 30-50% of them?) also list on _www.biblio.com. I mention this because Biblio recently introduced a quite generous "Bibliophile's Club" promotion, which for an annual fee of US$19.95 gives you a 10% discount off the book price, but limited to US$25 on any one order, on all books purchased through their website. (It is generous on Biblio's part because it comes out of Biblio's commission, which is a maximum of 15%. The individual booksellers who sell on Biblio still receive the same amount whether or not the purchaser is a member of the "Bibliophile's Club".)
_http://www.biblio.com/bibliophiles-club

When trying to find a particular book I usually search first on _http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchEntry?=Find%20Book&sts=t because I like their search page (with fields for year, publisher etc.), then check on the aggregator site _www.vialibri.net to see both if there are cheaper copies on other sites, and also if there are copies on Biblio where I can get a 10% discount.
 
Now, there's this volume:
Oikistes: Studies in Constitutions, Colonies, and Military Power in the Ancient World, Offered in Honor of A.J. Graham (Mnemosyne, Bibliotheca Classica Batava Supplementum) (Mnemosyne Supplements) [Hardcover]
Vanessa B. Gorman (Editor), Eric W. Robinson (Editor), A. J. Graham (Editor) $194.75 (discounted!)

Thing is, I don't need the whole book, I only want the paper of Gary Forsythe that is included in this volume: 'Dating and Arranging the Roman History of Valerius Antias' (pp. 99-113)

Which is described in the Bryn Mawr Classical Review 2003.08.14 as follows:

Gary Forsythe, 'Dating and Arranging the Roman History of Valerius Antias' (pp. 99-113), attempts to reconstruct both the floruit of the first-century BC historian Valerius Antias and the contents and ordering of his work. Valerius Antias wrote the history of the Roman people in 75 books, of which 66 fragments survive. In what is sometimes a difficult read, Forsythe first discusses the relative chronological clues for reconstructing the floruit of Antias, which is usually assigned to the 'Sullan' era. Instead, Forsythe proposes that we see Antias as a 'Ciceronian' era author, based upon a series of tenuous but plausible arguments (and at times assumptions). Forsythe concludes that Antias was writing his early Republican history between the years 66 and 44 BC, and draws upon a similar discussion by T. P. Wiseman to limit this particular activity to 63-46 BC,3 and suggests 25-30 years for a total length of time for Antias to have completed the entire work. These arguments would assign Antias a floruit of ca. 70-40 BC. Forsythe then turns to the actual arrangement of his history. There are 11 fragments that contain book references. The most problematic is Peter's fragment 57, which discusses the Mancinus affair in Hispania, events of which occurred in 137/6 BC, and attributes these to book 22. Forsythe proposes that this event was discussed in connection with the Caudine peace of 321 BC, an episode whose narration was so clearly modeled upon the Mancinus affair. Forsythe's reconstruction of Antias's arrangement presents both a cogent picture of Antias's work and offers interesting comparisons with Livy's work: Antias devoted 45 books to the pre-Hannibalic period, whereas Livy devoted only 29. Thus Antias's work seems to have provided a more expanded coverage of the early Republic than did that of Livy.

Which means, of course, that I also need: 3. T. P. Wiseman, 'Valerius Antias and the Palimpsest of History', in Roman Drama and Roman History (Exeter 1998) pp. 75-89. (Which I have now ordered for 29 bux.)

But you see how expensive this begins to get? Each thread you pull on leads to another and another and another.
 
A synopsis of Wiseman: http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/99-08wis.html

Excerpt:

Chapter 8, 'Valerius Antias and the Palimpsest of History' (pp. 75-89) starts from the premise that the Valerii had been elaborating their ancestral story long before Valerius Antias took up his pen in the first century BC. Wiseman looks for 'the Valerian element in twelve well-known episodes of early Roman history' (p. 78): (1) the treaty of Romulus and T. Tatius (pp. 78f.); (2) the calling of Numa (p. 79); (3) the avenging of Lucretia (p. 80); (4) the conspiracy against Tarquin (pp. 80-82); (5) Tarquin's field (pp. 82f.); (6) Horatius Cocles (p. 83); (7) Cloelia (p. 84); (8) the coming of the Claudii (pp. 84f.); (9) the first dictator (p. 85); (10) the battle of Lake Regillus (pp. 85-87); (11) the secession (p. 87); and (12) Coriolanus (pp. 87f.). It is plain that each of these stories was rewritten so as to provide a starring role for a member of the patrician Valerii. However, Wiseman finds enough shared elements and other chronological clues to conclude that they are the work of one author, who was operating 'between the exposure of the Catilinarians in December 63 [story 4] and Cicero's rewriting of the Brutus in 46 [story 11]' (p. 89). None of these twelve stories features in the surviving fragments of Antias:

'But who else could the Valerian annalist have been? Muenzer was surely right to assume that it was Valerius Antias who contributed this particular element to the palimpsest of history' (p. 89).

Wiseman applies similar detective work to the histories of the Minucii (Chapter 9, 'The Minucii and their Monument', pp. 90-105) and the Aemilii (Chapter 10, 'Rome and the Resplendent Aemilii', pp. 106-20). His familiarity with the topographical development of the city of Rome in the Middle and Late Republics is an especially strong feature of these analyses. The Minucian monument turns out to be a family tomb of fifth or fourth century BC date (pp. 91-94, 102), which was nonetheless variously interpreted (as tomb, honorific monument, altar and shrine) by later generations and commentators, who connected it especially with the career of L. Minucius the reputed praefectus annonae ('prefect of the grain supply') of 440/39. Wiseman feels that Licinius Macer, the anti-Sullan tribune of 73, was probably responsible for making L. Minucius an anachronistic praefectus annonae (p. 100), whereas he was perhaps a merchant caught up in the late fourth century elaboration of distinguished ancestries for members of the new plebeian elite (p. 104). Incidentally, recognition of this latter process throws doubt on whether the names in the early fasti are as authentic as Broughton thought them to be (pp. 98f., 105).
 
Laura said:
I only want the paper of Gary Forsythe that is included in this volume: 'Dating and Arranging the Roman History of Valerius Antias' (pp. 99-113)
That book's in my local university library. Given the price of the book and the shortness of the article, it almost seems like it would be fair use to photocopy the whole article?
 
mkrnhr said:
I don't know if there are some good elements in the following article from the French SOTT, but it seems that there were some confusion about the counting of years right after the Roman empire destruction (years counted according to consuls) and the christianisation of the calendar: http://fr.sott.net/article/13628-Sommes-nous-en-2010-apres-la-fondation-de-Rome
The 800 years result from an attempt to supperpose the black death with Justinian plague, but some elements can maybe be used for a more correct sequence of events.

I think that article should be read with that one (book) too: http://cerbi.ldi5.com/article.php3?id_article=166
 
Gandalf said:
mkrnhr said:
I don't know if there are some good elements in the following article from the French SOTT, but it seems that there were some confusion about the counting of years right after the Roman empire destruction (years counted according to consuls) and the christianisation of the calendar: http://fr.sott.net/article/13628-Sommes-nous-en-2010-apres-la-fondation-de-Rome
The 800 years result from an attempt to supperpose the black death with Justinian plague, but some elements can maybe be used for a more correct sequence of events.

I think that article should be read with that one (book) too: http://cerbi.ldi5.com/article.php3?id_article=166

How long will it take you to translate it?
 
Laura said:
Gandalf said:
I think that article should be read with that one (book) too: http://cerbi.ldi5.com/article.php3?id_article=166
How long will it take you to translate it?

If several of us French speakers take one chapter at once, we would have the book translated in a day or two (although it would be an imperfect translation with no proofreading).
 
Laura said:
Gandalf said:
mkrnhr said:
I don't know if there are some good elements in the following article from the French SOTT, but it seems that there were some confusion about the counting of years right after the Roman empire destruction (years counted according to consuls) and the christianisation of the calendar: http://fr.sott.net/article/13628-Sommes-nous-en-2010-apres-la-fondation-de-Rome
The 800 years result from an attempt to supperpose the black death with Justinian plague, but some elements can maybe be used for a more correct sequence of events.

I think that article should be read with that one (book) too: http://cerbi.ldi5.com/article.php3?id_article=166

How long will it take you to translate it?

It is a book of 155 pages. So it will take me months to translate it. :-[

However, maybe we can create a project in the translation group and see what can be done.
 
Gandalf said:
mkrnhr said:
I don't know if there are some good elements in the following article from the French SOTT, but it seems that there were some confusion about the counting of years right after the Roman empire destruction (years counted according to consuls) and the christianisation of the calendar: http://fr.sott.net/article/13628-Sommes-nous-en-2010-apres-la-fondation-de-Rome
The 800 years result from an attempt to supperpose the black death with Justinian plague, but some elements can maybe be used for a more correct sequence of events.

I think that article should be read with that one (book) too: http://cerbi.ldi5.com/article.php3?id_article=166

The above link doesn't seem to work :huh:
 

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