Was Julius Caesar the real Jesus Christ?

[Palinurus]

As a non native speaker I didn't know the word corsair so I went looking for its meaning and found this: _http://latinamericanhistory.about.com/od/Pirates/a/Pirates-Privateers-Buccaneers-And-Corsairs.htm

From that I discovered a recent (2009) World Atlas about piracy here: _http://www.amazon.com/dp/1599214741

And subsequently an even more recent (2013) monograph on The Sea and Civilization: A Maritime History of the World -- _http://www.amazon.com/The-Sea-Civilization-Maritime-History/dp/140004409X

May be interesting reads for those who want to focus on explicitly this aspect of historical developments.

EDIT: wording

 

[Laura]

I'll continue with Chapter 1 and go chronologically if that is okay.

Attached, Chapter 1 - Petrarch on Caesar

Gaius Julius Caesar (44 BC)

Of things made by him in Gaul, and first about his nation,
and how he was taken by corsairs, and how he recomposed,
and made them die afterwards.

Got it and many thanks! Now, when I can get unhooked from the database, I'll try to figure out if there are clues as to where Petrarch got his information.

 

[Gloria54]

It's finished!

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IC8X3WE/

Got it. Now I need time to read it.

Got it..can't wait to read it

 

[Laura]

I didn't have a chance and then forgot to mention that I finished reading the QFG translation of Zohren's "Valerius Antias and Caesar" a couple of days ago. Just wanted to say it was excellent. Not only Zohren's thesis, but the editing and additional information and translation of Latin and Greek texts, and additional footnotes, etc. Lay people could really understand what was being proposed, follow the argument clearly, and see how highly likely it is the the culprit of the original falsification has been identified. Great job on this project, as usual!

Thanks. It was a tough thing to translate because it was written in older, formal, academic, German. Poor Data struggled with it! And then, I struggled to smooth the English. And we wanted it to be accessible to the non-expert.

I think it's a slam-dunk argument. Put it together with Carcopino's study of Cicero and you have a really good idea of what was going on back then.

 

[SMM]

The is no pricing information on the link Laura provided.

That's the Kindle edition. It's there on paperback though, £6.11 in UK - http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Valerius%20Antias%20and%20Caesar%20%5BKindle%20Edition%5D

Just purchased it. Thanks!

 

[Gaby]

Attached as a word document: Chapter 2 - Petrarch on Caesar.

How he returned to Rome after Sulla’s death, and how he
had many responsibilities and was consul and did many things.

The separations on the document mark each page on the original for later proofreading purposes. Semicolons and periods are crucial to distinguish one "paragraph" and/or concept from the other.

Thought I would quote again the above. It is hard to read a text without paragraphs and sentences, but this thread and Suetonius English version makes it easier to understand it. I'm using less official translations though, as they really don't convey Petrarch's version on Caesar.

 

[Laura]

Got it! Many thanks!

 

[irjO]

I saw that there wasn't any review so I wrote a good recommendation! even if I have not read it yet! But so far what I have learned from this thread is fascinating!

 

[mkrnhr]

Came today upon the picture of a coin issued by Brutus

from _http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/5173 were it shows that he and Cassius were proud of their assassination of J.C.
Note the funny shape of the dagger at the left.

EID(ibus) MAR(tiis) would be a celebration of the Ides of March (the assassination). BRVT(us) IMP(erator) is Brutus proclaiming himself imperator. And L(ucius) PLAET(orius) CEST(ianus) the guy who minted the coins. Wishful thinking at its best!

 

[Laura]

So, now we know the face of Judas.

 

[mkrnhr]

So, now we know the face of Judas.

Exactly what I thought (+ some other not so flattering descriptions) :D
I don't know how accurate were portraits at that time, but there were at least some proportion rules known to Greek and Roman art, which do not show here. The front is abnormally short in proportion to the face. Or maybe the artist was just bad.

 

[Laura]

There are a couple of busts of Brutus that supposedly date back to the time:

Then, Michaelangelo's Brutus:

 

[Gaby]

Chapter 3 - Petrarch on Caesar

Including the countries of cisalpine Gaul and of transalpin
Gaul and other countries, where Caesar warred
for the people of Rome.

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IMO, it is pretty incomprehensible unless you have a map at hand. It is basically a geography lesson and there was no proofreading text for this. I couldn't even find in English some of the people's names mentioned, so I left the Italian/latin version of them.

 

[Magus]

St George and the Dragon
Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa and the Crocodile

Dragons come from the depictions of Crocodiles, which are Native to Egypt, This is a coin depicting Augustus and Agrippa, representing the conquerors of Egypt, symbolized with the Slaying of a Crocodile.

George is the Greek translation of Agrippa, as a synonym for agricola(farmer) from ge-ôrgos, ‘earth-worker'.

 

[Gaby]

Attached as .doc: Chapter 4 - Petrarch on Caesar

How Caesar passed in Gaul with his hosts, and did many things in his beginning.

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Story checked with "The Gallic Wars" by Julius Caesar (Book 1):

http://classics.mit.edu/Caesar/gallic.1.1.html

Julius Caesar and Divico parley after the battle at the Saône. Historic painting of the 19th century inspired by a scene described by Caesar

;)