What programs have YOU discovered?

[Bluestar]

Another one is : I don't like "rich" people.
A certain type of attitude that will make me think of someone who has "money" and can do anything because he wants to triggers anger in me.
I'll start to be cold to whatever this person says or do.
As for example if someone with an expensive car parks in double line and blocks the way just to go speak to some woman in another car I start to have angry thoughts at this person who thinks he can do anything because he has a "status".

I have this program running as well. I actually noticed it some years ago when I was working at a private country club as a bartender/server. At first I thought it was just an observation, not a prejudgement kind of thing. But there was emotional responses that I noticed and my thoughts were prejudice.
There is a truth behind this because I have come to the conclusion that people with money(for the most of them) do have an attitude of privilege and expect that they have rights to behave a certain way. So for me part has been an observation and the lesson is for me how I react to it.

I do get angry at it, and sometimes hostile. For example, this weekend I was in Key West Florida for a "working vacation" and a well dressed, clean cut man was standing in the middle of the road. My husband drove up to him and waited for him to move. He gave us a glance and remained where he was. So my husband tapped the horn. The man took one step and still was blocking the way. A smirk came across his face. Finally as we inched up the car, he moved out of the way. I could not help myself and said to him as we passed, "Are you going to be an A*&#ole all your life." and we drove away. The guy was probably drunk, though he was very functional. Started to think about this some more and wondered if this man had been clearly a drunkard, messy dirty cloths and looked disheveled would I have reacted the same way? I think I would have felt sorry for the guy because of his drunken life. I did not feel sorry for this man. Thought that he must feel he is on vacation and can do what he feels like.


So I assumed that he was a rich guy with an attitude and gave him a piece of my mind. What if what he was wearing was his "Sunday best" and was a middle class man having his first vacation in a long time and was just drunk. My reaction is what is important. I could have asked him if he was alright. Instead I reacted with prejudice and anger. I am a work in progress. And I trust the next time I encounter something like this I will observe first before I say anything.

 

[Nimue]

Hi

There are three very persistent program's I have discovered:

The cleverer give in: Sometimes I think to give in, is essential (external considering ?)
but in every situation were two or more people discuss or have to make a decision, I always shut my mouth, and do
what others want, this is very restrictive in every day life. According the maxim:
„You are right and I have my peace", maybe this program is similar to „ Be nice“, but
I am not sure, probably I must grub deeper, to find the roots of this program.

Vicarious embarrassment

This is a very exhausting program. In short: I shame for others, how they act or behave sometimes, or how they talk, especially when they show-off. I can feel when this program starts to run, but to stop it is difficult, I try to observe myself in this situation. I am
not sure were this program has it´s roots, but I hope I will find out, to get a better understanding of the context.

Nail biting

A long time program from early childhood.

I have observed this program for some years now, and I came to the conclusion I use
Nail biting as valve for stress, anger, shame etc. I must learn to be more self aware in this
situations. Anyway it looks disadvantageous and nervous to others. (Always with hands in the mouth an absolutely no go ).

 

[Leon1]

I have been a driver for seven years now. (yup, White van driver here <holds hands up> )

I used to get realy angry being constantly cut up by other drivers, boy racers and much more. I would lean out and give the finger, mutter to myself for minutes afterwards, still angry.

Then One day I thought, sod this, I will get ulcers at this rate. So I pulled over after yet another road hog nearly took the side off my van, lit a ciggie (Not allowed to smoke in the van, sod that a can of air freshener sees to that these days) and visualised myself getting all hot and bothered. I started to luagh at myself, for such indignation. Just another self importance program triggering. Now I have substituted luaghter at someone elses stupidity rather than hurting myself with anger. Took time, but now I just concentrate on what I need to do, where I need to go, and just luagh and shake my head at the idiots that are rushing to nowhere.

edited for typos

 

[brog]

This is my most common form of procrastination:
Take a Timeout in Utopia - "Things will be perfect if I don't think about this task until such and such later time."

I feel strong physical revulsion to the task to be avoided. I feel strong physical desire and see images of perfect happiness with the preferred task. This ends with disappointment of course. The time in utopia was colored by the knowledge of the truth. And Most often the alternative action is mindless and pointless.

 

[stellar]

The main 'programme' that is bugging me at the moment is 'I need to try a little more/harder on my own before I ask for help'. And that goes on and on for days. So I talk to myself in my mind as if I were posting and then hearing it as if for the first time.

Then I recall as many lessons/knowledge as I can and try to answer myself. Funny thing though, more often than not it is something that I find in someone's post when I do return to the forum and the replies are very close to what I would answer.

That then makes me think on the one hand that I'm not doing so bad and on the other hand, selfish for not sharing for others to join in and teach/learn.So that's where I'm at right now - to post or not to post, is this of any use to anyone, really... I' think I'll...post.

No, more than that, I'm asking for feedback/mirroring/suggestions - whatever it is, just throw it to me.

 

[Lucius]

When smoking tobacco, there is in my mind .. voice .. "Stop you know that this is bad for you..." Hmm predator trying to trigger to stop smoking ?.
I know that This is NOT ME because I want to smoke but other part just "trying" to make stop of it. this is funny observing this situation ;) always woice stop after two worlds "what you want ?" "I know what I'm doing"

Do you have similar ?

 

[paralleloscope]

I am sure you will get some better responses but from what I understand, we are not supposed to try to change the programs. Just noticing and being aware of them is enough at first and with growth and knowledge they will began to stop being programs in time, or so I understand. Hang in there! I'm certian more detailed responses are forthcoming. :)

This is also my understanding, yet when the introject is obvious and in action, denying the self, would it not be the best to disregard acting on it's behalf? and thereby changing the programming. I guess this change of program could perhaps also be seen when exercising external consideration which should be perfectly safe if not mandatory in early stages of the work. I may be mixing up behaviours and programs here. I guess I am looking for a cut definition or 'stage markers' for changing program/behaviour, as the danger in tampering too early, is that unknown 'deformations' may take place.

Edit: Just read your response again. Seems I missed that growth and knowledge will render them obsolete. That wording actually puts it in place. So it's a gradual thing and not this line in the sand you know you've crossed and then you are allowed change your programs.

 

[Hesper]

Do you have similar ?

I don't have quite the same program when it comes to smoking, but I have been using a similar tactic to ward of the negative introject. For example, if that voice says "no one loves you" I just say "actually no one loved you, and that's the problem" and I feel stronger afterward.

 

[taitai]

"It's quite overwhelming" is one of my "favourite" programs for just sitting & thinking & not actually doing anything; another one (which someone else also mentioned) is "I can only be free & be ME if I'm alone"; along with all sorts of subtle, sneaky double thoughts where something in me can forsee the outcome of certain actions, but I still manage to delude myself into acting as though I have an innocent mind & am hence not really responsible.

As Kirshnamurti said, "the looking IS the discipline" - but I still find myself playing the "many levels of thought" game all the time, as well as falling into habits like taking the same route to work; chewing the inside of my cheeks; always inserting the right contact lense first, etc etc. It's a jostling of egos for supremacy all the time. I do believe (woops!) that there are many more ways to play the "chasing after phenomena game" than indulging in psychic experiences. :(

 

[Aya]

Do you have similar ?

I don't have quite the same program when it comes to smoking, but I have been using a similar tactic to ward of the negative introject. For example, if that voice says "no one loves you" I just say "actually no one loved you, and that's the problem" and I feel stronger afterward.

In my case, my voice likes to say "You are stupid" for many times. So after I say "I love you" in my head...but it doesn't make sense.
You-are-so-stupid-program is so strong that I usually notice when I hear the voice; I cannot help it. But when I say "I love you" after makes me feel better.
I hope somehow... saying "I love you" will make the program goes away.

 

[Iron]

A program that I have, is a tendency to get internally angry if someone covertly or in subtle ways minimize my hability of doing things.
I get real angry inside if someone dismiss my views on something based purely on opinions and lack of data.
This leads to an internal record of first berating the person in my mind; then fantasizing, if he is male of physicaly dominating him
using my background in fighting; then it changes to me speaking to myself and trying to self calm by saying that this is nothing and this person does not know what he is talking about followed by an irresistible urge to vent on someone and confirm my bias.
Since most of the times that this happens my reassons for being angry are somewhat "justified", it was quite hard to control.

Since EE, what was a purely mechanical string of events became step by step more manageable, and yesterday I was sucessful in not letting this overcame me and venting to someone. I realized also, that Im not as sure of my knowledge as I should, because if I were, attacks like those would not generate such a chain of events.

This is what I think so far.

 

[Lucius]

Do you have similar ?

I don't have quite the same program when it comes to smoking, but I have been using a similar tactic to ward of the negative introject. For example, if that voice says "no one loves you" I just say "actually no one loved you, and that's the problem" and I feel stronger afterward.

In my case, my voice likes to say "You are stupid" for many times. So after I say "I love you" in my head...but it doesn't make sense.
You-are-so-stupid-program is so strong that I usually notice when I hear the voice; I cannot help it. But when I say "I love you" after makes me feel better.
I hope somehow... saying "I love you" will make the program goes away.

full awareness of yourself and what you want to help in the observation program
The bottom line is that when you discover a new program that tries very hard "attack"and trying to prove to the various parties 'sneak'

 

[Buddy]

It's kind of disappointing, really. I had thought that when I "flipped" back to the "on" state that I had talked about in the Self-Remembering thread, that the problems with programs would be minor enough as to be not-so-big a concern. Fact is, the state just lets you see them better and who needs that?

I do!

Truth is, everything is a program. There is hardly a single non-program to be seen anywhere. So, just pick something - anything you can think of to do. It's a program. A mechanical series of steps intended to lead somewhere. Not that all programs are bad...and not there is no creativity anywhere - it's just that OMG the programs are everywhere and there is hardly anywhere there is no program.

Sorry, ya'll. I felt like that was the only place I can start at the moment. :(

 

[Iron]

It's kind of disappointing, really. I had thought that when I "flipped" back to the "on" state that I had talked about in the Self-Remembering thread, that the problems with programs would be minor enough as to be not-so-big a concern. Fact is, the state just lets you see them better and who needs that?

I do!

Truth is, everything is a program. There is hardly a single non-program to be seen anywhere. So, just pick something - anything you can think of to do. It's a program. A mechanical series of steps intended to lead somewhere. Not that all programs are bad...and not there is no creativity anywhere - it's just that OMG the programs are everywhere and there is hardly anywhere there is no program.

Sorry, ya'll. I felt like that was the only place I can start at the moment. :(

Although I agree that "everything" is a program, in the sense that there are so many of them, there is a diference to intelectually conceptualize that there are 987 or other big number of programs, and actually spot one of them in full force, reducing you to nothing more than a machine slave of the record being played. This realization will make an impact on your emotional center, making the program vivid on your memory, since it will be two centers "sharing" the discovery, instead of just one.

 

[Buddy]

Although I agree that "everything" is a program, in the sense that there are so many of them, there is a diference to intelectually conceptualize that there are 987 or other big number of programs, and actually spot one of them in full force, reducing you to nothing more than a machine slave of the record being played. This realization will make an impact on your emotional center, making the program vivid on your memory, since it will be two centers "sharing" the discovery, instead of just one.

I understand, but I mean, I see why there is no real 'do'. There is so much disconnect from the understanding-based memory and the physical body and it's actions. Between one's awareness and one's behavior there is nothing but programs of one sort of another. The Self is disconnected and it's fairly easy to see the difference.