What programs have YOU discovered?

[1984]

The only thing that I know to do (besides pipe-breathe if I can remember), and which I did my best to practice this last time around, is self-observation to try to get outside of my own mind and see this program running. It's extremely difficult to do in the midst of all of the brain chemicals that get released, but I think that I'm making painfully slow but real progress. As much as I don't want to repeat the experience again, I think that it's something that will only improve with practice.

I think you are absolutely right about this point. It is difficult to step outside and observe our programs running - but isn't it nice to have these 'encounters' to do just that? :)

One of the things that's in the forefront of my mind is setting an example for my daughter, and I want to be able to show her that she doesn't need to be afraid to stand up for herself or disagree with a doctor, just because they are a doctor.

This is so important for our children! We are truly obligated to teach them that 'those in authority' are not always right, and that there is an art to learning how to defend ourselves against them while conquering our own programs. :)

A funny recent encounter I've had with doctors: I was injured a few weeks ago in an auto accident while driving on company business, and of course, was required to go to the company-referred doctors for care. When discussing my treatment with the doctor, I mentioned that since I had previous spine damage from other auto accidents, I felt that my quickest route to recovery was to see a chiropractor combined with massage therapy. HA! Judging by the doctor's reaction to my statement, you'd have thought I had cursed the Pope, Jesus, Yahweh and Muhammad all in the same breath! He ABSOLUTELY would not entertain any conversation re: me seeing a chiropractor (the doctor actually said they are all quacks - really, said that!). Rather, they wanted me to take gut killing anti-inflammatory meds, pain pills, have an MRI, etc. Knowing I couldn't fight the prescribed treatment (due to it being work-related), I took their prescriptions (and never filled them), went to their physical therapists - and they recently blessed me with a release after a few weeks of their 'therapy'. Unbeknownst to them, I saw my own chiropractor and massage therapist regularly, used DMSO on my aches/apins and got better all by myself!

 

[shijing]

Sounds like you've got a pretty good handle on recognizing this program. I think I'd have reacted the same way in the doctor's office, and indeed I have in the past with my dentist. Every time I go in for a teeth cleaning, I get a free little tube of toothpaste and a toothbrush. I always decline the toothpaste and when asked why, I said I didn't want to use anything with fluoride. So they start to give me the "good for your teeth" spiel. I still politely decline, and get an extra container of dental floss as a replacement. Now when the dental hygenist goes to hand me my little "gifts" after the cleaning, she always reaches for the toothpaste, stops, and says, "Oh that's right, you use Tom's..." (fluoride-free) in a semi-sarcastic tone.

The dentist is another place where I have this problem -- similar situation too, because I've sort of come to an understanding with my daughter's dentist about fluoride (we agree to disagree), but the dental assistant usually looks at me like I'm Satan incarnate when I refuse fluoride treatment for my daughter. I have the same kind of reactions that I described above at the doctor's office, and it's worse when my daughter is involved, because it's one thing when someone suggests that I'm making the wrong decisions for myself, but when they insinuate that I'm doing something to hurt my daughter, my defensiveness kicks in immediately with all the bells and whistles.

The dentist gave me the line about mercury fillings being safe when I asked about removing them. *sigh* I have a cracked tooth and will be getting drilled and sanded down for a crown on Monday, and I'm not sure what they are made out of, but I'll ask that none of that material be used.

I'm sorry to hear about your tooth, and best of luck with that -- maybe it would be good to do some research and come in with a list of "good" crown material and "bad" crown material, and ask which one the dentist intends to make a permanent part of your dental landscape?

I think you are absolutely right about this point. It is difficult to step outside and observe our programs running - but isn't it nice to have these 'encounters' to do just that? :)

Yes -- although it's much easier to recognize the value when it's all over with :D But that's one of the things that I am trying to work on, to be able to do this in the moment as it's happening. I also try to remind myself that this is really not that bad compared to some situations I am likely to encounter in the future, so it's very good training.

This is so important for our children! We are truly obligated to teach them that 'those in authority' are not always right, and that there is an art to learning how to defend ourselves against them while conquering our own programs. :)

Yes -- it's can feel like a big responsibility at the time, but I'm just thankful that I know enough to try to do it in the first place. And one of the things that I've noticed is that, for whatever reason, my daughter doesn't seem to exhibit the kind of program I have described for myself here, at least not to the degree that I experience it. She can say no to authority without becoming extremely anxious about it, and I hope that she continues to be able to do so.

A funny recent encounter I've had with doctors: I was injured a few weeks ago in an auto accident while driving on company business, and of course, was required to go to the company-referred doctors for care. When discussing my treatment with the doctor, I mentioned that since I had previous spine damage from other auto accidents, I felt that my quickest route to recovery was to see a chiropractor combined with massage therapy. HA! Judging by the doctor's reaction to my statement, you'd have thought I had cursed the Pope, Jesus, Yahweh and Muhammad all in the same breath! He ABSOLUTELY would not entertain any conversation re: me seeing a chiropractor (the doctor actually said they are all quacks - really, said that!). Rather, they wanted me to take gut killing anti-inflammatory meds, pain pills, have an MRI, etc. Knowing I couldn't fight the prescribed treatment (due to it being work-related), I took their prescriptions (and never filled them), went to their physical therapists - and they recently blessed me with a release after a few weeks of their 'therapy'. Unbeknownst to them, I saw my own chiropractor and massage therapist regularly, used DMSO on my aches/apins and got better all by myself!

I'm sorry to hear about your accident, and I'm glad you're all right. That's a great story, though -- very good example of how to play a role in order to take care of yourself and do what you know is right. Good for you :)

 

[cholas]

Thanks to a recent visit to my daughter's pediatrician, I was reminded that I have a combination of several already-mentioned programs

The only thing that I know to do (besides pipe-breathe if I can remember), and which I did my best to practice this last time around, is self-observation to try to get outside of my own mind and see this program running. It's extremely difficult to do in the midst of all of the brain chemicals that get released, but I think that I'm making painfully slow but real progress. As much as I don't want to repeat the experience again, I think that it's something that will only improve with practice. One of the things that's in the forefront of my mind is setting an example for my daughter, and I want to be able to show her that she doesn't need to be afraid to stand up for herself or disagree with a doctor, just because they are a doctor.

Hi Shijing,

Sounds like you've got a pretty good handle on recognizing this program. I think I'd have reacted the same way in the doctor's office, and indeed I have in the past with my dentist. ...

One of my programs is that I hate needles, especially those full of novocaine in my gums!!

Good story shijing. Like Mrs. Peel, I too would likely have acted in a similar fashion.

My apologies again for the denseness, but I'm a little unclear as to what your program here is though. Is it the fight or flight? Are there times when being defensive, in this case defending your daughter's well-being are not programs(of the machine)? It sounded like you handled it reasonably well without anger etc. and with practice this will become even smoother? It sounds more like the doctors/nurses were running their programs(machines) but that you saw this.


Mrs. Peel, in your case, is having a strong dislike for needles a program?

 

[shijing]

Hi cholas --

My apologies again for the denseness, but I'm a little unclear as to what your program here is though. Is it the fight or flight? Are there times when being defensive, in this case defending your daughter's well-being are not programs(of the machine)? It sounded like you handled it reasonably well without anger etc. and with practice this will become even smoother? It sounds more like the doctors/nurses were running their programs(machines) but that you saw this.

No need for apologies -- I'm not sure I conveyed my thoughts about this very clearly. I think the way that I felt about this, from the POV of self-observation, is that I have a program that says "authority figures know best" which runs in conflict with another one that says "authority figures are not to be trusted", and that instead of allowing them to be fallible and seeing them as people who are growing, just like me, I overcompensate when I disagree with them; in other words, I tend to see them as good guys when they agree with me, but bad guys when they disagree with me. This has something to do with what truth seeker mentioned earlier in this thread, about how overconfidence and underconfidence are two sides of the same coin, both stemming from internal consideration and a narcissistic way of dealing with things.

Ideally, the way that I would like to deal with this kind of situation would be to be firm in my resolve, have a rational conversation, and be confident because of the information that I have researched. Instead, because of what I think is a program, my emotions in this kind of situation are triggered right away and that puts me into an unproductive and rigid state of mind where I am basically reacting instead of dealing with the situation openly and creatively. You are right that sometimes defensiveness is warranted, but I think that what I am observing here is excessive defensiveness -- seeing a threat that is not necessarily there, or blowing a small one out of proportion -- because of insecurities being triggered. The end result is that I don't think clearly and don't take advantage of the situation as much as I could (such as asking some basic questions which were in the forefront of my mind at the beginning of the doctor visit, but completely forgot about because of my emotional reaction). I hope that makes some sense...

 

[cholas]

Thanks for taking the time to explain, shijing. It's much clearer now.

I asked because of similar circumstances(only in dealing with banks/finance) in which, looking back now, don't know if there were programs or warranted defensiveness involved. Your mention of an adrenaline rush as well as having an internal struggle involving this 'speaking truth to authority' sounds familiar.

FWIW, I noticed however that with practice, the emotions did calm down in my case(as nearly every week I had another go with 'them') and in the end the 'opponents'(different bank) asked me why I had steadfastly refused to open an account. I took a seat and we ended up having a very civilized, informative conversation about the truths I had then recently discovered about banking.

Much appreciated.

 

[Lucius]

I have noticed strenght thing.

when I have started eat simple diet , running , gym , martial arts , yoga , EE , meditation .
I have more energy and i'm CALM - other people usually at work - they are 2 type of people :
- first I fell that they fell "I'm not normal" because I'm observing them what they do , eat , talk .
- they are trying to avoid all what is Not in their World "Normal"

- and that Affect me, because there is a program that "You must do what they do because they will not like you"
i just realize that I'm Normal just everyone have other "View of the reality"

tomorrow next day in this work omg ;)

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Mrs. Peel, in your case, is having a strong dislike for needles a program?

Hi,

Not really. It was more of a joke. I've always disliked needles in any form cause they are usually associated with pain.

 

[cholas]

Thanks Mrs. Peel. I was starting to wonder if maybe fears/strong dislikes that I've begun to associate with partially-remembered 'past-life' experiences might actually just be programs. Maybe some are. Good to really dissect them I guess. :)

 

[bozadi]

i feel one of the great fear-based programmings deep in my psyche is one of ego:

from february 3, 2001 session: "A: Ego. Afraid of Not being. Ego."

my guess is that sts philosopy is greatly built upon this fear, or false perception. and they like to instill us the same fear for us to choose to be with them in their holy war against God, who seems to gradually and eventually secrew up all individual beings through higher densities. their fight may be to change this situation and to manage overthrowing God and get a control of it's terrible plan, in their view, of course.

maybe they think they do us a favor when they try to disintegrate our lives in order to present us a preview of what awaits us in the higher most densities.

 

[bozadi]

but it is interesting that they themselves pass into sto, eventually, in the sixth density, if they didnt before, according to ra. when they ascend enough, they seem to change their minds, it seems.

 

[bozadi]

November 13, 1999: "A: The Grand Pulsation makes individuality a temporary state of being."

 

[bozadi]

two apologies:

one for flooding, other for tactlessly presenting/reminding such a subject which seems to have some starky aspects.

 

[Risen]

Here is an important discovery I made years ago that I have just realized is a deeply entrenched program. Self calming and feeding self importance by feeling indignant or angry about injustice and thinking that just talking about it or feeling angry about it is being a part of the solution. I have noticed that I and many others will have an intense arousing discussion about some problem and go away feeling that our "preaching to the choir", all feeling indignant about whatever we are condemning, is helping the situation or is actually some kind of helpful action and then going away self-satisfied without actually doing anything useful to facilitate change.

 

[bozadi]

Here is an important discovery I made years ago that I have just realized is a deeply entrenched program. Self calming and feeding self importance by feeling indignant or angry about injustice and thinking that just talking about it or feeling angry about it is being a part of the solution. I have noticed that I and many others will have an intense arousing discussion about some problem and go away feeling that our "preaching to the choir", all feeling indignant about whatever we are condemning, is helping the situation or is actually some kind of helpful action and then going away self-satisfied without actually doing anything useful to facilitate change.

I have done this extensively in my life, unfortunately. sometimes it is the best thing I know and again sometimes it makes a somewhat constructive influence, though very partially, if I would continue tracking down related deeper problems and finding and sharing real solutions, however slow that may be.

 

[Risen]

I have done this extensively in my life, unfortunately. sometimes it is the best thing I know and again sometimes it makes a somewhat constructive influence, though very partially, if I would continue tracking down related deeper problems and finding and sharing real solutions, however slow that may be.

Yes, it seems slow to progress, however, since time does not really exist as we perceive it, we have enough time so I try not to think about it.