What programs have YOU discovered?

obyvatel said:
I wish for some feedback. The immediate context is the exchange I had with EmeraldHope in this thread. In my initial post addressed to her, I wanted to mention that reading her posts in different threads, I had felt for some time that there was a flavour of teacher trying to help others. But I could not write this simple sentence - instead I chose to be oblique. Today after reading Laura's response to EmeraldHope, I felt sort of a relief on one hand. Then I wrote another post trying to justify my previous oblique post. But after some more time went by and I kept this thought at the back of my mind throughout the day, I felt dishonest. This struggle with directly stating what I feel is not new for me - it has happened many times in the context of interactions in this forum. Usually, in these cases, I do not post. When someone else eventually reports the same dynamic that I felt like writing about, there is a sense of relief.
Looking into this struggle inside of me, I see the question what if I am wrong in my assessment and it hurts another person unnecessarily? I rationalize further that there are those much further ahead in the Work than I am who have a great track record of seeing such dynamics and they would write about it when the time is right. I have a boat load of programs running inside me of which I am gradually becoming aware and so am not sure of that I see these situations clearly without projection. So silence seems to be prudent. But it also leaves a taste of not being fully honest with the network as far as my participation is concerned.
I remember G saying in ISOTM that complete sincerity is needed with the teacher in the Work. G also said that it is vitally important to practice external consideration in the Work when dealing with others in the school. I am beginning to think that politely stating what I feel while accepting the possibility of being wrong in my assessment may be the general way to proceed. I would appreciate feedback. Thanks in advance.
I've also struggled with this. With me, the assessment may be correct but then there still lies the question of whether I have hurt someone unintentionally. To me, that is the most important point (hurting someone). Whether it is intentional or not then becomes interesting to look at. With me, it was unintentional or a better word would be unconscious.

When I really began to consider if it was intentional, it was a place I didn't want to go. I "thought" I was being direct. I like people to be direct with me and so I figured this applied to most. So basically, I was projecting the behavior I wanted to receive onto others and in doing so hurting them.

What really hurt to realize was the amount of hurt I was potentially causing. What I came to see was that while directness in itself is not wrong - we try to be as honest and clear as we can - I could be stifling the growth of others (perhaps they would feel rejected and not want to continue or they would be reacting so emotionally to what was said that they couldn't take in what was being said to them).

The fear of being wrong runs rampant with narcissistically wounded people and is quite a challenge to tackle. I think you're on the right track. This is one of the reasons we have the network, so that others can point out our mistakes. We cannot see everything. Unfortunately much of our learning has to come through what we perceive as hard knocks.

I would just add that it really helps to take extra time when posting. If you're wrong, you're wrong. All we can do is try to do better the next time. Being aware of how we're feeling as we're posting helps us to focus on what our intention is when we post. As for giving incorrect information, that just happened to me yesterday. It happens! Accept it with grace and see it as an opportunity to learn. As you can see from that link, we all learn from each other. It's not just teachers teaching students, but rather goes in all directions and continuously. I like that. :) It keeps us humble and those who are willing to see it that way and use discernment when taking in new information - in a constant school. Or so I think. ;)
 
truth seeker said:
obyvatel said:
I remember G saying in ISOTM that complete sincerity is needed with the teacher in the Work. G also said that it is vitally important to practice external consideration in the Work when dealing with others in the school. I am beginning to think that politely stating what I feel while accepting the possibility of being wrong in my assessment may be the general way to proceed...

The fear of being wrong runs rampant with narcissistically wounded people and is quite a challenge to tackle. I think you're on the right track. This is one of the reasons we have the network, so that others can point out our mistakes. We cannot see everything. Unfortunately much of our learning has to come through what we perceive as hard knocks.

Obyvatel, I think the strategy you outline above is pretty much the right way to go, for the reasons that truth seeker has given. I've struggled with this as well, and I know exactly what you mean when you talk about feeling relieved after someone has said what you thought but were afraid to say yourself. There is no better place to practice than here, since the network, by its nature, is self-correcting. You can never be sure that you are correct about something, but the only way to find out is to try (politely, as you say) -- correction may not be necessary, but if it is, it will occur. And you'll be better off for it. It's really hard to take a chance on being wrong sometimes -- because we are narcissistically wounded, we're all like baby birds here learning to fly to some extent or another, and that will inevitably involve some false starts. Thankfully, we have a safe environment here in which to practice.
 
EmeraldHope said:
obyvatel,

For what it is worth, if you would have just said that I would have understood you, and could have at least looked at it from that angle. From the example of this thread, I can only say that if there is something that one does not see in oneself, if someone is being vague in pointing out something, I do not think one is going to guess what they mean. I re-read this interaction several times trying to get it.

I understood Laura on her 2nd teacher point right off the bat, the first one of "struggling to maintain it", I had to to really think on all day to grok it. But I got it.

In my mind, that wasn't what I was trying to do at all. Like I said, I thought I was being objective. :scared:
I wouldn't call it vagueness so much but rather treading carefully. Because of the narcissistic wounding we all have, it can be a very difficult task to correct someone. We try to post in a manner that meets each person where we think they are in their understanding at that point in time. Where they are can change from moment to moment.

In terms of rereading a post - sometimes that is necessary in order to foster progress. This can apply to some of the material on this forum. In my experience so far, there are at least two levels of understanding when reading - the intellectual understanding of something which can occur on the first (or 5th or more) reading and the emotional understanding. The emotional understanding, speaking for myself, occurred after a time when one takes a leap of faith and begins to apply what is intellectually understood. This is a truer understanding of the material that happens when one really starts to get it. They feel it in their marrow so to speak. I don't believe there is a time limit on any of this so try to be patient with yourself. :)

Regarding objectivity - This is the trap we all fall into! This is why we can't think with the way we think. For the most part, we cannot trust our thoughts because very often they are not our own. It may be quite easy to think we are helping others when in reality we are harming them. This can be because we are really acting from our programs which are a lie. Therefore we are giving false information to others unwittingly. The person we are attempting to help may then respond with their own set of programs (which is also a lie) and round and round we go.

In seeing yourself as a teacher, this automatically puts everyone else in the position of student. If everyone else is a student, this means that there is no one for you to learn from. There is no balance and your own opportunities to learn are squandered. This puts both the "teacher" and the "student" at a grave disadvantage. Neither can learn nor teach. The teacher can never learn anything new because they believe no one can teach them and the students can only go so far because the teacher never learns anything new. Both believe the lie that the teacher knows it all. As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

As we begin to realize that we are all in this together and here to help each other as well as be helped, this provides the opportunity for everyone to learn and progress. Hope that helps. :)
 
Just wanted to bring up a program that I didn't "think" I had. The being chosen program. This (to me) can reflect in either victimhood or specialness. This all falls under self importance. I have yet to completely suss this out but I currently think that the victim parts had more to do with "negative" interactions with people while the specialness had to do more with high strangeness/coincidences which could be perceive as either "positive" or "negative" depending on the outcome. All of it hooking into my narcissistic wounding of thinking everything was about me and that I was responsible for everyone's problems and well being and more importantly that everyone was responsible for my problems and well being.

I never thought of myself as being a victim or being special - I didn't "like" how that made me look. That's what took me off guard. Funny how we can't trust our own thoughts. :)
 
obyvatel said:
I wish for some feedback. The immediate context is the exchange I had with EmeraldHope in this thread. In my initial post addressed to her, I wanted to mention that reading her posts in different threads, I had felt for some time that there was a flavour of teacher trying to help others. But I could not write this simple sentence - instead I chose to be oblique. Today after reading Laura's response to EmeraldHope, I felt sort of a relief on one hand. Then I wrote another post trying to justify my previous oblique post. But after some more time went by and I kept this thought at the back of my mind throughout the day, I felt dishonest. This struggle with directly stating what I feel is not new for me - it has happened many times in the context of interactions in this forum. Usually, in these cases, I do not post. When someone else eventually reports the same dynamic that I felt like writing about, there is a sense of relief.
Looking into this struggle inside of me, I see the question what if I am wrong in my assessment and it hurts another person unnecessarily? I rationalize further that there are those much further ahead in the Work than I am who have a great track record of seeing such dynamics and they would write about it when the time is right. I have a boat load of programs running inside me of which I am gradually becoming aware and so am not sure of that I see these situations clearly without projection. So silence seems to be prudent. But it also leaves a taste of not being fully honest with the network as far as my participation is concerned.
I remember G saying in ISOTM that complete sincerity is needed with the teacher in the Work. G also said that it is vitally important to practice external consideration in the Work when dealing with others in the school. I am beginning to think that politely stating what I feel while accepting the possibility of being wrong in my assessment may be the general way to proceed. I would appreciate feedback. Thanks in advance.

You're just being stuffy. Try to open it up a little, I don't think the network will crash if you do so.

I need to do this too. :) I've been constricted by my own doing for many reasons that may, in the end, be "thoughtfulness" illusion.

The network is something that becomes, not something that is constructed.

So let us give what we have (as we work) and see what happens.
 
Thanks for the feedback.
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I would just add that it really helps to take extra time when posting. If you're wrong, you're wrong. All we can do is try to do better the next time. Being aware of how we're feeling as we're posting helps us to focus on what our intention is when we post.
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I usually do not post quickly. Sometimes, I read a post and think about it and come back to reply the next day. Specially if the post is related to some personal dynamic, I try to read other posts of the poster in other threads to form a better idea. What I have observed with myself that sometimes it takes quite a long time to just write the post. In these cases, clarity becomes less as the initial impression is canceled out through doubts. I have to work at getting better at this.
 
truthseeker said:
Just wanted to bring up a program that I didn't "think" I had. The being chosen program. This (to me) can reflect in either victimhood or specialness. This all falls under self importance. I have yet to completely suss this out but I currently think that the victim parts had more to do with "negative" interactions with people while the specialness had to do more with high strangeness/coincidences which could be perceive as either "positive" or "negative" depending on the outcome. All of it hooking into my narcissistic wounding of thinking everything was about me and that I was responsible for everyone's problems and well being and more importantly that everyone was responsible for my problems and well being.

Thanks for bringing this up, Truth Seeker. This program has plagued me for a long time. My parents actually gave me a name meaning "The Chosen One" after adopting me. I was their chosen one [for feeding] lol. My original attempts at sussing this program out would involve A) my realizing that I had it, and that it was negatively affecting those around me and B) turning on my "be nice" program. Oh, and C) realizing my "being nice" was usually seen as defective, and was in its own way a sort of narcissism. Being nice does not a conscience make, lol. And when a major comfort (dissociation?) I have is feeling speshul then I make up for it by being even nicer and working harder. But this just feeds the dynamic you describe, of feeling responsible for everyone's problems. But the strange thing is, I'm not totally aware of entitlement feelings any more. I can't accurately describe it, but it seems to have gotten to a point where I just choose to be nice, and that's it. No real reason that I can see yet, just a choice. This could just be more dissociation from the painful realization that nice guys just don't make it, but that I hate myself when I try to act "cool".

I am starting to notice some horns growing in response to petty tyrants, though. It's kind of a hilarious yet no-nonsense feeling, in which my only defense against my petty tyrants (I'm a server at a chain restaurant) is to laugh inside and look for weaknesses. I've been a server for 4 years, and in dealing with awful people I've always just been as polite as I can and try and give them all I've got, in order to "change their mind". I'd usually end up close to crying. But now I laugh at them and enjoy their snide remarks. After reading the Wave volume 6 on petty tyrants it's all kind of coming into focus. It almost seems to me that the more I face petty tyrants the less of a "chosen one" mentality I have. Standing in front of 14 people (a lot for me) and being made to look like a total fool really takes my self-importance down a peg. :P I still have a ways to go with this one, but I think that I'm making headway. I hope!
 
From reviewing my posts over the last eighteen plus months since joining the forum, I find that I’ve discovered quite a few programmes / limiting decisions, over and above those that I knew of previously. In no particular order:

1. Imbalance at the emotional level, resulting in demonstrating poor judgement re own needs – allowing my-self to be influenced by others. Only understand what is happening ‘now’ and only feel what I feel. Emotionally isolated – difficulty in showing affection and love (even to self). Unable to accurately grasp what others feel because I only relate to others as sensory objects. Not letting my-self feel what I need to feel, failing to listen to intuition. (mainly a result of Neonatal trauma, Inner considering, and some Narcissistic Parenting) To get to external considering (if at all possible), I need to see the ways I’m interacting with people, and choosing my words and style geared towards intuition and liveliness.

2. People pleaser: limiting my-self to ‘others’ standards’ (feeling obligated) through fear of rejection and loss; of not living up to paternal expectations (not good enough) leading to guilt ( a response to pride, and experience of anxiety); lack of expressing ideas for fear of displeasing other; emotional dependence, cutting self off from feeling anything, including love for self; and less than able to live my real self. (mainly caused by Narcissistic Parenting, a touch of inner considering and of Neonatal trauma)

3. Self-criticism: failure to accept my-self as I am, a lack of self love, through guilt, of powerlessness; out of touch with my heart’s needs; holding back on what I really want to do; and the shame of self-depreciation, of paying attention to others too much. (a result of Neonatal trauma)

4. Platitudinary: fear of posts lacking worth, of depth, other than coming from me with sufficient gravitas; fear of recognition as unworthy, not feeling good enough; and inability to speak up for my-self, doubting my capabilities. (mainly Inner considering and a result of Narcissistic Parenting)

5. Intellectualisation as a coping mechanism for feeling threatened. (Inner considering)

6. ‘Being right’ – a need to be, and ‘controller’ – order, denying emotions leading to inner emptiness, of isolated emotions. (again, as a result of Narcissistic Parenting and Inner considering) Although, these programmes may just be yet another facet of ‘stubborn’, which is a previously known programme.

7. Afraid to receive a helping hand (Neonatal trauma, and possibly inner considering)

8. Demand to be taken care of, dependency and defeatism. This is a paradox of the above. (Narcissistic Parenting – Mother)

9. Perfectionist. (Narcissistic Parenting) And, probably allied with the next programme.

10. Workaholic and task oriented (Narcissistic Parenting)

11. Unrealistic and unfounded fears re material life. (Probably as a result of Neonatal trauma)

Quite a list!!! And, there’s a lot of inner considering!!! The predominant pattern seems one of worth, of reliance on others’ ‘pleasure’, equalled by lack of emotions and being out of touch with myself.

I ’think’ that the contribution of the Neonatal trauma and Narcissistic Parenting (not sure which way round, it may be both) have led to a life of inner considering, which I’m struggling against. What I may need to do is to allow the denied emotions free expression, and I’m not sure how that happens yet. Working with my therapist, she suggests that rather than my first thoughts of ‘turning up the intensity of the emotions’, that the emotions are already strong, as evidenced by my ‘panic attacks’ this year. It’s more a matter of ‘overcoming’, or negotiating with, the part that that is protecting me and repressing the emotions. This leads me to ‘think’ that it may be less than possible to fully external consider until the repressed and denied emotions are released.

This is a bit of a wake up call, there’s a lot to do, to move forward to awakening the lower emotional centre. I’m a work in progress.
 
Trevrizent said:
Quite a list!!! And, there’s a lot of inner considering!!! The predominant pattern seems one of worth, of reliance on others’ ‘pleasure’, equalled by lack of emotions and being out of touch with myself.

I ’think’ that the contribution of the Neonatal trauma and Narcissistic Parenting (not sure which way round, it may be both) have led to a life of inner considering, which I’m struggling against. What I may need to do is to allow the denied emotions free expression, and I’m not sure how that happens yet. Working with my therapist, she suggests that rather than my first thoughts of ‘turning up the intensity of the emotions’, that the emotions are already strong, as evidenced by my ‘panic attacks’ this year. It’s more a matter of ‘overcoming’, or negotiating with, the part that that is protecting me and repressing the emotions. This leads me to ‘think’ that it may be less than possible to fully external consider until the repressed and denied emotions are released.

This is a bit of a wake up call, there’s a lot to do, to move forward to awakening the lower emotional centre. I’m a work in progress.

I think you did an excellent job on observing and recognizing these programs in yourself, keep it up!

May I suggest something that might help. So now you have a list of some of the programs you've discovered. Okay, let's pretend that we go and meet up for a drink, and I tell you: "Trev, I have this problem... I am limiting my-self to ‘others’ standards’, I feel obligated, through fear of rejection and loss, ...if someone needs me, I'll be there. Oh could you tell me, do I really don't have the right to say 'no'? Do my needs really don't matter? I'm so afraid, what if I refuse to do something and they decide to leave me?"

How would you respond to that?
 
Oxajil said:
May I suggest something that might help. So now you have a list of some of the programs you've discovered. Okay, let's pretend that we go and meet up for a drink, and I tell you: "Trev, I have this problem... I am limiting my-self to ‘others’ standards’, I feel obligated, through fear of rejection and loss, ...if someone needs me, I'll be there. Oh could you tell me, do I really don't have the right to say 'no'? Do my needs really don't matter? I'm so afraid, what if I refuse to do something and they decide to leave me?"

How would you respond to that?

If I’ve read your post correctly:

Yes, I do have the right to say no.

Yes, my needs really do matter.

And, if they decide to leave me, that is their choice, and I accept it.

Right now, I’m happy with all of these replies. In the past when someone has needed me to ‘be there’, I’ve considered it, ‘felt’ (intuited) what was right and either responded yes or no, depending on what I thought of the person and what steps they’ve taken to help themselves (either getting into the situation itself, or getting out of it).

And thank you for the complement, and yes I will keep it up. :)
 
I found out that I have a lot of programs too:

1- Fear before I do something , felt like Im not good in anything I do.... like everything I do is just casualty :rotfl:

2- –
I have poor judgement I allow my-self to be influenced by others. Emotionally isolated – difficulty in showing affection and love (even to self).
I have the same feeling that I used allow other people to think what is better or not and say to everything " yes" what is the program be nice or try to not contradict " them" mother, father, boss, husband, ect....

3-
Self-criticism: failure to accept my-self as I am, a lack of self love, through guilt, of powerlessness; out of touch with my heart’s needs; holding back on what I really want to do; and the shame of self-depreciation, of paying attention to others too much.
I found out that I have this same program been hit and hit several times by my mother when I was a child and her insults make me be so hard with my self and blame me for the things that are not right.

4- Over react: I´ve learn since I was a child to react when I felt somebody try to hurt me or hurt me directly so I overreact to defend my self.... and now with my kids

5- Insubordinate : As a way to refuse authority and with a perfeccionist/narcisism mother who hit me a lot to impose her authority over me I become a insubordinate in a way, when I felt that someone want to impose some authority on me I dont like it and avoid any comunicate or contact with that person. Dont like the boss who scream and treat bad the employs so I become my own boss

6-Begin a task and unfinished and begin another one, house and work. :P

This are some of my programs I become aware and day to day I saw more of them in me.
 
Trevrizent said:
Right now, I’m happy with all of these replies. In the past when someone has needed me to ‘be there’, I’ve considered it, ‘felt’ (intuited) what was right and either responded yes or no, depending on what I thought of the person and what steps they’ve taken to help themselves (either getting into the situation itself, or getting out of it).

That's nice. So you can easier choose for yourself now, taking your own needs into account as well? How did you make that change? By realizing and then putting it into action?

How about receiving help, do you still fear that?

I have noticed in myself that I enjoy pleasing certain people. I dislike feeling worthless, and so put extra effort in feeling worthy for others (and I guess for myself as well). Some people react sometimes in a way as if they are not proud of me, and that really hits me and at the same time acts as a fuel to "prove myself", when in my opinion I don't need to. My desire is to, yes, put effort, but not in the desperation of only pleasing others, but mostly to do it because I Love to do it. And with that input of love, hoping that certain people will like it, if it resonates with them.
 
Oxajil said:
That's nice. So you can easier choose for yourself now, taking your own needs into account as well? How did you make that change? By realizing and then putting it into action?

How about receiving help, do you still fear that?

By realizing and putting it into action - I knew the people involved well.

Thanks for the help Oxajil, :) I'm working on facing the fear! :)
 
Thanks to a recent visit to my daughter's pediatrician, I was reminded that I have a combination of several already-mentioned programs running when it comes to being challenged by authority figures -- in this case, those in the medical field.

The background is that I started saying no to vaccinations for my daughter about two years ago, when I realized how bad they really are. When I first did this, the pediatrician questioned my judgment (quite legitimately, from his point-of-view) and asked me the reasons that I had made this decision. I gathered the information that I had and presented it to him next time I saw him. He listened courteously, agreed to look some of it over, and we basically agreed to disagree. Although I was relieved to have that conversation over with, the real problem began with subsequent visits when the issue just seemed to keep coming up. On one occasion, a nurse who didn't know my views walked in with a vaccine tray and told me she was going to catch my daughter up on her missing vaccinations, to which I replied, "no you're not" and immediately became defensive. On another occasion, my daughter's pediatrician was out sick and we had to see his colleague instead. She looked up my daughter's history, told me I needed to catch up on her vaccinations, and when I declined she asked why and if it was because of beliefs that I held. I told her that after doing a lot of research, I had realized that vaccinations were more harmful than helpful, and that it was a matter of empirical fact -- she cut me off very abruptly and said, "no, it isn't fact, it's your BELIEF."

I took my daughter in again at the end of last week because of a lingering sinus infection that she had. At check-in, the other doctor happened to be behind the counter, and when she recognized me she gave me a rather nasty look. While waiting for the doctor, a nurse came in with a long waiver regarding vaccinations, and told me that she needed me to read it and sign it in front of her, because they were going to be audited in the spring and couldn't be responsible for withholding vaccinations from any of their patients. I can understand that, from their perspective, but their was a line on the waiver that read, "I know that by denying my child vaccinations, that it endangers not only their life but the lives of other children with whom they come into contact." I took strong exception to this particular line, and wrote "I do not believe this is true" next to it before signing the form. The funny thing was, nobody actually stayed to watch me sign it, and when I handed it to the doctor at the end of the visit, he chuckled and said they didn't need it for an audit, they just didn't want anyone to sue them.

However, my experiences at the beginning of the visit made me very defensive, to the point that I had a hard time concentrating on the main purpose of the visit (the sinus infection) because I kept thinking about the waiver that was sitting next to me and wondering what was going to come next -- I forgot to ask a couple of basic questions that I had in mind when we first walked in the door that I had to call back and ask about later. I realized that this experience actually triggers a big program in me -- it's a combination of self-doubt, needing to be right (and not being able to allow others to disagree), and general anger and defensiveness which causes me to judge others before they can judge me -- I tend to see the person with the opposite viewpoint as a villain, instead of someone who is merely a victim of programming by Big Pharma who otherwise probably has good intentions. My internal reaction is one of basically fight-or-flight, including all of the adrenaline, and it's frustrating because it keeps me from thinking clearly and being able to remember all of what I've learned that led me to the conclusions to which I eventually came. I think there is some version of a hero program mixed in too, because I want to be able to express myself well enough to make the doctor (or nurse, or whoever) think twice about this issue and see past their own programming, which in the end is probably unrealistic.

The only thing that I know to do (besides pipe-breathe if I can remember), and which I did my best to practice this last time around, is self-observation to try to get outside of my own mind and see this program running. It's extremely difficult to do in the midst of all of the brain chemicals that get released, but I think that I'm making painfully slow but real progress. As much as I don't want to repeat the experience again, I think that it's something that will only improve with practice. One of the things that's in the forefront of my mind is setting an example for my daughter, and I want to be able to show her that she doesn't need to be afraid to stand up for herself or disagree with a doctor, just because they are a doctor.
 
Shijing said:
Thanks to a recent visit to my daughter's pediatrician, I was reminded that I have a combination of several already-mentioned programs

The only thing that I know to do (besides pipe-breathe if I can remember), and which I did my best to practice this last time around, is self-observation to try to get outside of my own mind and see this program running. It's extremely difficult to do in the midst of all of the brain chemicals that get released, but I think that I'm making painfully slow but real progress. As much as I don't want to repeat the experience again, I think that it's something that will only improve with practice. One of the things that's in the forefront of my mind is setting an example for my daughter, and I want to be able to show her that she doesn't need to be afraid to stand up for herself or disagree with a doctor, just because they are a doctor.

Hi Shijing,

Sounds like you've got a pretty good handle on recognizing this program. I think I'd have reacted the same way in the doctor's office, and indeed I have in the past with my dentist. Every time I go in for a teeth cleaning, I get a free little tube of toothpaste and a toothbrush. I always decline the toothpaste and when asked why, I said I didn't want to use anything with fluoride. So they start to give me the "good for your teeth" spiel. I still politely decline, and get an extra container of dental floss as a replacement. Now when the dental hygenist goes to hand me my little "gifts" after the cleaning, she always reaches for the toothpaste, stops, and says, "Oh that's right, you use Tom's..." (fluoride-free) in a semi-sarcastic tone.

The dentist gave me the line about mercury fillings being safe when I asked about removing them. *sigh* I have a cracked tooth and will be getting drilled and sanded down for a crown on Monday, and I'm not sure what they are made out of, but I'll ask that none of that material be used.

One of my programs is that I hate needles, especially those full of novocaine in my gums!! :cry:
 
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