2024 US election: A Kennedy presidency? Trump again? Will it be rigged?

[Iain]

Did Trump strike a deal with Israel? Pulling the Israel card can offer some (temporary) protection. Elon did that too, or else he would have been liquidated.

Remember when we were befuddled by Putin's move during Covid:

I guess 4D chess involves going along with the PTB's plans... up to a point. "Fake it until you make it."

Trump probably didn't need to strike a deal with Israel.

Given the deep ties between the US and Israel, he has to at very least show support for a large proportion of the Israeli agenda. Trump has to show allegiance to Israel if he wants any chance of winning an election - whether he really believes what he is saying or not.

Iran seems like the easy target here. At least from what I have seen, there is far more support (especially among Republicans) for antagonism towards Iran than there is toward, say, Russia.

He could be being naïve and actually believing this stuff, or just going with the usual lines or rhetoric. None of it seems too out of place for a US presidential candidate as yet. Plus, who knows what he is now thinking after the assassination attempt…

Of course, if he does believe what he is saying then it does not bode too well and I guess we will be getting much the same as usual on the international front. At this point though I also tend towards the "fake it until you make it" - we can hope…

 

[Chu]

Did Trump strike a deal with Israel? Pulling the Israel card can offer some (temporary) protection. Elon did that too, or else he would have been liquidated.

I don't know, but he's always seemed like not a very well-read/highly informed person to me. Maybe it's just what he wants to believe, combined with seeing that it's in his best interests to "behave". But some of the comments he made don't sound like something he HAD to say to stay on Israel's side, and more like spontaneous BS.

Remember when we were befuddled by Putin's move during Covid:

I guess 4D chess involves going along with the PTB's plans... up to a point. "Fake it until you make it."

Yeah, but FWIW, I don't think you can compare them. Putin "went along" with the narrative and SOME of the measures, but notice for example that Russians got their own (much safer) vaccine. So, in what really matters, I think the Russian government really managed to resist. Would Trump be able to do that when it comes to Israel? I doubt it very much. He may not even wish to do so, if he's not well informed or advised, and if he's still all for the US being the greatest country on Earth, at whichever the cost.

 

[Ben]

Now Trump attends a 'stop anti-Semitism' rally and continues to say stupid stuff.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824363316212297881

"When I’m president, we will DEPORT the foreign jihad sympathizers and Hamas supporters. If you hate America, if you want to eliminate Israel, then we don’t want you in our country."

This is in the context of the pro-Palestine University protests. It's clumsily worded, are we talking about deporting US citizens as well here? Obviously that would be ridiculous, so unlikely, but he ought to be more careful.

He also says he will "prevent refugee settlements in the terror-infested Gaza strip" which is so stupid I won't even comment further.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824353983495864759

"15 years ago, if you said anything bad about Israel or the Jewish people, you were finished as a politician — the most powerful lobby in this country by far, was Israel and Jewish people."

So he knows the power they have, of course, but he doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

He says Chuck Schumer is 'like a Palestinian', at least the second time he has used that word in a seemingly derogatory way. If he's playing the game then he's pretty convincing as someone under the thumb of the Zionists. It's hard to watch really, I had a certain amount of respect for him despite his faults and this undermines that.

 

[Ennio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824353983495864759

So he knows the power they have, of course, but he doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

He says Chuck Schumer is 'like a Palestinian', at least the second time he has used that word in a seemingly derogatory way. If he's playing the game then he's pretty convincing as someone under the thumb of the Zionists. It's hard to watch really, I had a certain amount of respect for him despite his faults and this undermines that.

It may be that, in spite of some of his "dumber" comments, he's presenting some statements in such a way so as one has to read between the lines a bit? Like putitng the information out there for those with ears to hear.

Does this here too I think:

Trump about the Israeli women Miriam Adelson, who gave him $100 million:

"When we gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom... It's the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor— it's actually much better because everyone who gets the Congressional Medal, they're soldiers. They're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets or they're dead. She gets it and she's a healthy beautiful woman"

 

[neema]

At this point, Trump is the perfect symbolic representation of an average American. Narcissistic, ill-informed fool, that is well meaning but ends up doing great harm. He reminds me of Jar Jar. I for one have no illusions about anyone in US politics. The rest of the world will breathe a sigh of relief, when America and its vassal empire of lies, falls. I tell you I see celebrations on par with the fall of the empire in the Star Wars movies. The USA has always been a fool’s paradise:

"America will become a paradise in which men would follow reason, become gods and work for a universal world republic that would then replicate the Utopian conditions of America throughout the known world.”
The New Atlantis
-Francis Bacon

New Atlantis, please like the old one turned out so well right.

It would be highly entertaining to see a contingent election.
Either way I have purchased a year supply of popcorn for the sh*t show.

 

[Turgon]

It's just upsetting that it is SO easy for people to turn on you these days for one simple statement even when you share a lot of values.

I had that happen recently with someone who is Polish and that I considered a friend, who discovered I supported Putin, believing I'm all for an evil dictator who is a mass murderer. He turned on me fairly quickly and kept finding ways to attack my character afterwards. I finally confronted him about it and we had a lengthy talk about geopolitics and why I think the way I do, and we managed to let bygones be bygones. But I'll never forget that experience with him.

 

[Windmill knight]

I don't know, but he's always seemed like not a very well-read/highly informed person to me. Maybe it's just what he wants to believe, combined with seeing that it's in his best interests to "behave". But some of the comments he made don't sound like something he HAD to say to stay on Israel's side, and more like spontaneous BS.

I agree with this assessment. It's true that politicians often say things in a calculated way for strategy, and that's one reason we've been giving Trump some slack, but I also think there's a limit to that. If Trump has been insisting so much on his Zionist rhetoric, well, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Maybe he doesn't totally believe it, but he won't really go against it either and he's clearly not repulsed by it.

There comes a point in which to keep on thinking that he secretly understands things much better is wishful thinking, like those Q fans who insisted that Trump played 4D chess, etc. I do think he's generally a good-intentioned person, but lets not forget that he also has a tendency to be a narcissist, that so far he hasn't displayed any signs of being a particularly smart or well informed person, and he seems enamoured with his own often simplistic opinions.

To think that he is very far from perfect - yet he represents such a threat to the system! Simply by not being totally evil.

 

[Evan]

I’ll allow that in his mind he may think he’s playing the game, but if in his heart he believes that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, then I’ve no use for him. I bounced back and forth between registering Green just so I could vote for Jill Stein (because she’s prepared to close bases overseas and gut the military budget, putting the money into domestic manufacturing) and then as Republican when Trump chose Vance. But after hearing this quote about supporting Israel, I may not vote at all. The only reason I’d vote for anyone is the hope that they might throw a wrench in the works of the people who actually run the country. Beyond that it’s little more than a personal statement, and I don’t want to look in the mirror and say “You voted for a person who armed Israel.” I won’t do it. I voted for him before, and he up and moved the capitol and the embassy to Jerusalem. I won’t support that type of action. Let that be my “personal statement”. I’m open to any “True however…” any of y’all wish to point out. Suffice to say I’m open to convincing. But it’d better be good.

 

[Ricardo]

Have you heard what Whitney webb has to say about Vance ? Link

 

[Evan]

Have you heard what Whitney webb has to say about Vance ? Link

Yes, and I’ve also heard some solid counterpoint. Ultimately, all I said was that at the time the addition of Vance changed my mind. We’re way beyond that now. I’m straight up talking about Trump himself and his relationship to Israel. I don’t care if Vivek or Julius Caesar is his running mate at this point. As long as he’s carrying water for Bibi Netanyahu, he’s not getting my stamp.

Like I said, anyone wants to give me good cause* for voting for Trump, I’m open.

*Good cause besides keeping Kamala out.

 

[Ricardo]

yeh , muricans at this point have 2x , choices to "vote " for , either Israel uber alles , or, israel uber alles

 

[Evan]

yeh , muricans at this point have 2x , choices to "vote " for , either Israel uber alles , or, israel uber alles

Exactly, and I’m not voting for either one. I’d sooner abstain.

 

[Ricardo]

been there for almost, 30 years , hah, welcome to the party ;D

 

[Jones]

Trump is a businessman who does some very big deals and would have to be aware of the Jewish influence where big money is concerned and not just with other businessmen, but also banks. Although he does what he does very well, and doesn't seem to have any fear of appearing foolish, I don't think he is very smart. Perhaps that is a cultivated facade.

I haven't read The Art of the Deal, but know in business deals it's a good idea to know what the other guy wants and to be sure he gets it - win/win. Otherwise the other guy isn't going to be too keen to do business with you again and that gets around.

Could be that Trump is aware that not all Jews are in favour of the Israel situation or the Zionist agenda, but it isn't yet time to upset any apple carts and that he knows that he has to give the appearance of support for now in order to construct his deals. Or it could be that he really does support Israel. Or it could be that he knows that Israel is going down and will be destroyed because they are making very bad deals and that all he has to do, like so many others, is bide his time and be ready to take advantage of the fire sale.

 

[Miracle]

I’ll allow that in his mind he may think he’s playing the game, but if in his heart he believes that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, then I’ve no use for him. I bounced back and forth between registering Green just so I could vote for Jill Stein (because she’s prepared to close bases overseas and gut the military budget, putting the money into domestic manufacturing) and then as Republican when Trump chose Vance. But after hearing this quote about supporting Israel, I may not vote at all. The only reason I’d vote for anyone is the hope that they might throw a wrench in the works of the people who actually run the country. Beyond that it’s little more than a personal statement, and I don’t want to look in the mirror and say “You voted for a person who armed Israel.” I won’t do it. I voted for him before, and he up and moved the capitol and the embassy to Jerusalem. I won’t support that type of action. Let that be my “personal statement”. I’m open to any “True however…” any of y’all wish to point out. Suffice to say I’m open to convincing. But it’d better be good.

I'll give it a shot. Ever since I read Keyhole's quote below, I've tried to assess people through the lens of their "Net Effect". In short, are their life's work generally positive or negative?

One thing that has helped me over the years is to try my best to objectively assess the net effect of someone's work on the current state of humanity. Does it, as a whole, further the enslavement of people's mind & soul, but include a few sprinkles of truth? Or does it instead exert a overall net positive effect, despite not being 100% accurate?

One example that comes to mind is David Icke, who I was previously an avid follower of. For a long time after discovering Laura's work, I dismissed Icke as a "disinformation agent". Over the years, however, I have come to appreciate some nuance. First of all, there is a strong tendency within the "truth movement" to assign conscious intention, but the truth might be that many of the so-called "disinformation agents" are just fallible humans who are entirely unconscious of spreading false information, but who generally mean well and are doing their best to seek truth, though they simply don't have a worthwhile network to help tune their thinking. So they get lost in their own thinking somewhere along the way.

Despite the evident problems with Icke's interpretation of world events and the dynamics of 4DSTS, I have grown to become thankful for his influence, because it prepared me in many ways to be receptive to the C's material. I know for a fact that many people on this forum were also originally introduced to similar concepts through Icke's work, and through becoming inspired to seek more answers, eventually stumbled on Laura's material. He has become something like a "stepping stone" for so many people who want truth. It is correct to state that he gets a lot wrong. But I am convinced that his overall body of work exerts a net positive effect (or at least it did for me, and probably many others.)

I think the same can be said for Alex Jones. He doesn't have a solid network of people to help refine his ideas and stamp out his thinking errors, assumptions and false beliefs. Perhaps he has engaged in some intentional falsifications in the past. But I am honestly under the impression that the net effect of his work has also been positive. With the media attention he has had, Jones is essentially bridging the gap between "normies" and die-hard truth seekers, and opening so many people's eyes through the interviews he does on large channels.

Tucker continues to impress me. So for as long has he continues to speak truth, I will continue listening. It is always our job to parse the truth from the lies, no matter who is preaching it. And so far, Tucker is doing a great job. It he eventually performs a switcheroo, it will be quite clear to see for anyone who is genuinely paying attention.

So, when I think about Trump with that perspective I think Trump's very presence has had a YUGE awakening effect. "Fake News" and "Deep State" are now familiar social terms whereas prior to Trump those concepts where forbidden topics in normie society. Trump just getting in the way of the PTB plan's has had a gigantic net positive effect on the general population of the US, and I suspect the world as well. Remember, in the least he gave us in the US at least 3.5 years where things were slightly less totalitarian and the economy was ok.

(Niall) Just a few I wrote down this morning... Is Trump toast? [laughter]

A: Aha! An interesting question! He is still president and was overwhelmingly elected. He has the support of the majority of Americans. But does he have the boldness to do what must be done? In any event, a titanic struggle is taking place behind the scenes and at 4th density! Whether or not he saves the rights of Americans to elect their president, the USA is still in the soup thanks to global factors.

Q: (L) In other words, it's still open as to whether...

(Joe) Well, hang on... It's a pretty short time frame.

(L) It's a very short time, but we'll know whether he has the boldness or not. And even if he has the boldness, would he survive bold moves?

(Andromeda) Right.

A: Good question. He is almost damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. One thing is certain, the Biden presidency represents an almost immediate slide into totalitarianism

In short, I wouldn't get all worked up over his abysmal position on the Israel/Palestine issue. Politics is really complicated, we don't know what politicians are truly trying to accomplish behind closed doors (although we try our best to discern), so focusing on one single issue to decide whether you like this or that politician is not advisable in my opinion.