"Project SERPO" story: HOAX
Now, regarding my recent exchanges with Bill Ryan, here are the most recent emails pasted in below. As we left the story, Ryan had written to us on March 2nd. We didn't reply. After a week, an email arrived in which it seemed that Bill Ryan was trying to agitate us to do something vis a vis ATS or to take his side or something. He gives it away in the first paragraph.
We discussed it here and it was suggested that I maybe this information was important and I ought not to reject it out of hand. So I wrote back:
As you can see, this email suggests that this attorney is the one behind the Project SERPO thing and that he and the ATS Amigos are the ones writing all the so-called statements and basically creating the whole story. Notice the smarminess of the alleged Victor Martinez email that the atty includes. It suggests that Victor is ready and waiting to present the "Black Friday" statement with some glee and that the whole operation is just a big game for a bunch of slimeballs. The question is, of course, is this "big expose" of an email even legit?
If it was, it just confirmed my opinion that ATS was behind the whole thing. If it wasn't, it also tended to confirm my opinion that ATS was up to something in this SERPO Tar Baby operation. What I wasn't sure of was whether or not Bill Ryan was part of the hoax from the git-go. I suspected he was, but decided to "test" him. The first part of the test was to just tell him straight out that SERPO was a hoax.
Well, he had a point with that one. Thing is, it just seemed that he wanted ME to do something, to grab hold of the Tar Baby. So, I set up the rest of the "test." I told him there was nothing we could do that it was his problem, that if he was really worried about any of this he ought to just publish the whole backstory, including the image of the email from the alleged ATS atty, and be done with it. I told him that as soon as he published it let me know and I might make a comment on it in my blog.
Then the subject turned to a short discussion of other people. He asked me if I knew anything about Val Hall, supposed to be Mark Allin's wife. He declared that her posts were just EVIL. I've never read any of them but a couple of our researchers have and I received a report (with documentation) that Val Hall works for Halliburton in some capacity. I wasn't surprised. It's all an incestuous.
Finally, there was the discussion about David Icke where I made my position quite clear. He mentioned that ATS had recently "amalgamated" David Icke's discussion board into their COINTELPRO family of websites. I thought that was interesting. And then, of course, a day or two after this conversation, a link to our podcasts appeared on David Icke's discussion board. Coincidence? I think not. For me, it's the smoking gun that Bill Ryan is definitely in kahoots with ATS and gang and the whole thing is a big Tar Baby.
Then, there is a last email from Bill Ryan; another attempt to provoke something:
Now, regarding my recent exchanges with Bill Ryan, here are the most recent emails pasted in below. As we left the story, Ryan had written to us on March 2nd. We didn't reply. After a week, an email arrived in which it seemed that Bill Ryan was trying to agitate us to do something vis a vis ATS or to take his side or something. He gives it away in the first paragraph.
We didn't take the bait. Three days went by and then this next one:
Fact is, I really wasn't interested. The game was, by now, so transparent that I had no real interest in talking to the guy and I really wasn't interested in "hard information" on ATS. I mean, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck, right? I don't need anymore and it's not my job to go out there and flame ATS or launch some kind of campaign. We considered it to be quite enough to just defend ourselves from them and once that was done, leave it alone.
We discussed it here and it was suggested that I maybe this information was important and I ought not to reject it out of hand. So I wrote back:
An email shot back pretty quick from Bill as follows:
Attached to this email was the "shocking proof" of the perfidy of ATS and the gang: an email alleged to be from the ATS atty to the ATS "Amigos." Yes, I checked the email of the alleged sender and it IS an attorney in the US in the Washington area, but I am going to remove his name and email address anyway. If he is an innocent party, it would be libelous and defmatory to associate him with ATS without more evidence.
As you can see, this email suggests that this attorney is the one behind the Project SERPO thing and that he and the ATS Amigos are the ones writing all the so-called statements and basically creating the whole story. Notice the smarminess of the alleged Victor Martinez email that the atty includes. It suggests that Victor is ready and waiting to present the "Black Friday" statement with some glee and that the whole operation is just a big game for a bunch of slimeballs. The question is, of course, is this "big expose" of an email even legit?
If it was, it just confirmed my opinion that ATS was behind the whole thing. If it wasn't, it also tended to confirm my opinion that ATS was up to something in this SERPO Tar Baby operation. What I wasn't sure of was whether or not Bill Ryan was part of the hoax from the git-go. I suspected he was, but decided to "test" him. The first part of the test was to just tell him straight out that SERPO was a hoax.
After this, I called and the conversation I already reported took place in which Bill Ryan just played the part of the innocent UFO dabbler who had read a few books, was on Victor Martinez's political list, and just for no reason at all, Martinez picked him to get involved in the SERPO project. Ryan said that he was some kind of corporate motivational trainer and that raised red flags, but otherwise, there was nothing remarkable about him except is unremarkableness. That raised red flags. I also told him several times - even pressing the issue - that he ought to write a BIG disclaimer for the SERPO site and say that he had no way of confirming any of the material, he was just publishing it because it was fun or interesting to read. He resisted this suggestion repeating over and over again that even if it was a hoax, ATS had no right to try to destroy him over it.
Well, he had a point with that one. Thing is, it just seemed that he wanted ME to do something, to grab hold of the Tar Baby. So, I set up the rest of the "test." I told him there was nothing we could do that it was his problem, that if he was really worried about any of this he ought to just publish the whole backstory, including the image of the email from the alleged ATS atty, and be done with it. I told him that as soon as he published it let me know and I might make a comment on it in my blog.
Then the subject turned to a short discussion of other people. He asked me if I knew anything about Val Hall, supposed to be Mark Allin's wife. He declared that her posts were just EVIL. I've never read any of them but a couple of our researchers have and I received a report (with documentation) that Val Hall works for Halliburton in some capacity. I wasn't surprised. It's all an incestuous.
Finally, there was the discussion about David Icke where I made my position quite clear. He mentioned that ATS had recently "amalgamated" David Icke's discussion board into their COINTELPRO family of websites. I thought that was interesting. And then, of course, a day or two after this conversation, a link to our podcasts appeared on David Icke's discussion board. Coincidence? I think not. For me, it's the smoking gun that Bill Ryan is definitely in kahoots with ATS and gang and the whole thing is a big Tar Baby.
Then, there is a last email from Bill Ryan; another attempt to provoke something:
It just looks like Ryan wants to associate himself with us; wants us to take up the fight on his behalf or something. For that reason, I'm putting it all on the record here.
