Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians

[Cruiseraurora]

(C) This is implying that such people know they have the bloodline and keep in touch with each other? (L) Or, is this something for the future when those of the bloodline wake up?
A: Yes.

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The rose is the blood of the descendants of the gods.
Look at the fresco - the rose arises from the blood of Christ.
The rose on the breast of Aurora (Isis) has the shape of a woman's menstrual pad (Tyet knot), which later transformed into a cross or red heart on the breast of the Mother of God.
In fact, "valentines" is not a symbol of a heart, but a symbol of Aphrodite's crotch. That is a separate story. ;)
By the way, cardinals wear red as a symbol of the priests of Aurora. Or rather, the priests of her "rose" or the divine blood of the pure virgin.
The menstrual pad on the breast is a metaphor, of course, bird language. A rose is a pure virgin, pure birth, that is created in heaven, it is a divine lineage, it is a pure heart, pure love, it is a hidden secret, it is the Way to heaven, etc.






In Rüdiger's Eddic Eugenics there is a description of the "fall" of the sons of light and the need to consume blood. These later became rituals of the elite, as you know.


"The reason for the gradual loss of the ability to communicate with the world of
will consists in the blocking, caused by the corruption of the Gods, of the streams of subtle matter of which the bodies of the children of light were composed and which they had to constantly replenish.
of which they had to constantly replenish, otherwise
otherwise disease would overtake them. This
disease consisted mainly in objectification, the continuous compaction of the bodies of the children of light, which, in the end, brought the physique closer to that of the children of stone.
With the corrupting influence of the Darkness spreading.
of the gods, the children of light tried to fight with the help of blood transfusion in a closed circle; in this case there was temporary
relief and liberation from the gross material substance.
The darkened children of light began to use black magic.
Only selected descendants of the children of light were able to produce certain changes that were able to slow down the process of spiritual decay. Among them, Rüdiger counts the son
of the Wölsung family, Sigmund, who, by exercising his will in harmony
in harmony with the higher essences of the universe, achieved the disconnection of the Beastmen clans from the power streams of the tree of life and their
and their gradual destruction; the king of the Franks.
Euglimi, who, as a forerunner of the Atlantean
alchemists, attempted to utilize the Od-power of colloidal dissolution of gold, which, when injected into a vein, produced a
the necessary influx of subtle matter, and alchemically produced drinks of healing herbs; finally, Yalmar the Younger, creator of the techniques of master words, which gave power over all the processes of existence, including the flow of subtle matter; finally, Yalmar the Younger, creator of the techniques of master words, which gave power over all the processes of existence, including
the flow of subtle matter; the creator of magic squares,
the mathematics of which is based on the power of Odes and calculates the fundamental relations of forces and subtle matter, as well as the researcher of the wells of Urd, the sources of eternal youth and equally of the flows of subtle matter.
and equally the streams of subtle matter. Only Baldr Krestos, however, was manifested in order that, by turning mankind once more to the
to the prereligion of irminism and opposing it to Votanism, to renew the divine Spark of the Children of Light.
And yet, despite the efforts of the prophets and heralds of the Light.
of Light, from the very beginning of our era we can observe the steady spread of the corruption of the Gods."(с)EMIL RÜDIGER
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Pay attention to the symptoms of "sons of light" diseases! These are autoimmune diseases that are an indicator of your belonging to divine blood lines.
Indeed, when porphyria patients were examined in South Africa, it turned out that they all came from Holland, North of Europe. Porphyria has been called the vampire disease. It's a misrepresentation, but partly true, a disease of "immortals". And gold is indeed an effective treatment for rheumatoid arthritis.
Autoimmune diseases are innate immunity, it is an indicator of contamination of the environment in which the "son of light" is found. Such people are not tolerant to local toxins. Innate immunity and acquired immunity are different mechanisms. And to some extent autoimmune are a defense against oncology, up to a certain limit of toxicity.
The Jewish division of people into "chosen" and "goyim" also has its origins in Nordic history.

All right, Aurora (Isis) - the Savior, Christ consciousness, Sophia - is a human being, an earthly human being!
The alchemical treatise on Aurora is a treatise on the ascent of the Soul, the arduous earthly journey of a person who wants to return Home.
(Now we can guess that this person has special genetics and a special Soul. So we research our own lineage to discover this)

(But I got something else. I got a clue I don't fully understand yet. Allegedly, "Aurora aphrodisiac of the empire of Rome." What?! Are they really nuts at the Vatican? Or does it need to be understood in some other way? It was a message with multiple meanings, as usual. "Tritium (mollusk, shell, Venus) Aurora of the Roman Empire" and another meaning at the same time is a plant that was used in ancient Rome as an aphrodisiac. Perhaps it's about the powerful of this world being really obsessed with the ritual blood of virgins. And they cover it up by worshipping Aurora or Isis. Or they don't understand the real meaning of the alchemical treatises. Since Aurora's other name is mentioned - Venus - that's a reference to sexual rituals too. It's news to me that the cardinals' red robes are priesthood of the Isis-Aurora-Venus cult, or rather the cult of her intimate "rose". I hadn't thought of this before. It's unverified information, that's how I "heard" it).

 

[Cruiseraurora]

The path of Venus and the radical path.

Hermeticism very often uses sexual symbolism to describe the wet path, which gives certain reasons to suspect this tradition of knowing a different kind of "corrosive waters" having to do with the destructive power of the woman, which the latter manifests towards the man, uniting with him in the amalgam of love and sexual intercourse. As in the case of the soma, we can say here that the Lady of the Philosophers (symbol of the vital force) at some point ceases to be "knowable": then the earthly woman is used as a means of approaching her, thanks to the dizziness and ecstasies of eros arising from the interaction of the two sexes. This is the meaning of certain "operations of two vessels" enigmatically mentioned in alchemy; these two vessels are the bodies of two people of different sexes, which contain two hermetic principles, in the case of other alchemical practices prepared and combined in one being: active and passive, the power of gold and moisture, attractive and pleasant, which "dissolves" the "closedness" characteristic of the former. In this way it is possible to give a real, not symbolic, interpretation to statements like "Our bodily Gold is as if dead before it unites with its spouse. Only after that the inner and secret Sulphur begins to develop", and "together with the Venus Sulphur the inner Sulphur of man is corrected, strengthened and comes into conformity with the ideal". On this plane the phases of sublimation, produced in the course of extraction and then capture and fixation (as we have already seen with the symbol of the cutting off of the wings of the Dragon flying in the etheric heights and the victory over the Bull at the end of its furious rut), can be recognized in the alchemical-Kabbalistic texts, which speak of the spear thrust of Phinehas (Numbers 25), "which pierced them at the moment of union in their locis genitalibus, the solar Israelite and the lunar Midianite .... This spearhead or power of Iron, acting upon matter, purifies it from every abomination. The Israelite here is nothing but, the masculine Sulphur (in its ordinary state); by the Midianite we must mean Dry Water (in this case probably an allusion to the draining of the "superfluous moisture" which, by suitable preparation, the woman had acquired in her senses and faculties of feeling), mixed properly with red Markazite or Ore. The spear of Phineas not only kills the male Sulphur, but also kills his woman ; they both perish by mixing their blood in a single act of generation (more supernatural than physical). Then the wonders of Phineas (representing the operator) are manifested." De Pharmaco Catholico also speaks of the secretion of the hot solar Mercury from the mine of Venus by means of the Wine Stone (which is equivalent to chaos, the dissolving force of symbolic "combustion") and Ammonium Salt, whose ability to compress, unlike the former, can take on the meaning of the aforementioned "spear thrust". And if the Hermetic texts often speak of death following conjunctio, "conjunction", this perhaps also refers to the trauma that occurs at the peak of copulation and orgasm, subject to a certain mode.

In fact, the power of generation clearly contains the power of Life itself, and it is a question of taking it by surprise, stopping it and taking possession of it at the moment when it turns to the generation of another essence and finds itself as if naked, in a non-individualized state, since it cannot pass from one essence to another without being for a moment in a non-individualized and free state. But this state itself represents the "poisonous" aspect of Mercury, which kills. Thus it is possible to find in the sexual act conditions similar to those under which initiation in the form of active death takes place. Hence the double aspect of Love and Death characteristic of some ancient deities: Venus, as Libitina, is also the goddess of death; "Mortis et vitae locus," says a Roman inscription dedicated to Priapus. The fusion of the different meanings finds its culmination in the Hindu notion of kundalini, which is both the Goddess and the "serpentine force" responsible for bodily organization and maintenance of the body, which is rooted at the base of sex and manifests itself at death or separation, and which yogis use to cross the "threshold of Brahman" and break through to the "King's Road."


In alchemical texts we can find other allusions that make use of the power that manifests itself in man as sexuality, especially in the case of more or less direct references to Saturn's or Ammonium Sulphur, which sleeps in the lower middle (cf. Part I, ch. 21) and corresponds to the "Father" (according to Gichtel), as well as to the Devil's Selitra, which is the "magical fire key" as well as the opposing, destructive force for the other, external Sulfur (see De Pharmaco Catholico). However, when such a force is integrated into the process of Doing, one can no longer speak of a wet path; although the "wet" methodology is still present to a certain extent, we are now dealing with a path that can be called super-dry, since it leads directly to the final phase "in the Red", skipping over all the intermediate stages, directly striking Matter with the fiery lightning hidden within the Telluric and Saturnian essence that once defeated the Titans.


This is the ruinous path. Heber refers to it as the "Balance of Fire" and characterizes it as the path "most difficult and dangerous," and calls it "swift and impetuous royal work"; the Sages envisioned it only for Princes, referring to the need for special qualifications and innate "nobility." Among the four paths mentioned by Andreae is the fourth, by which "no man can reach the Royal Palace": it is "impassable to mortals, for it is exhausting, and accessible only to men with incorruptible bodies." Perhaps this is the same as the direct fiery awakening of the kundalini according to Tantric yoga, which is preceded by only one "heroic" preparation - vîr-krama - without "mortification" and without "dissolution in the White", i.e. without passing through the middle zone of the chest (see part I, ch. 21). The general danger of initiate's death - and death not only as a physical fact - is maximized in this case.


Finally, as a softened version of the above-mentioned method, we can point to another way, to a certain extent "androgynous", dry and wet at the same time, referring to heroic initiation in the direct sense and referring to the ancient sacral meaning of war, to the original identity of the warrior and the initiate, to mors triumphalis as "the way to heaven", etc. In doing so, a carrying and furious force is awakened,-eros, akin to the tempestuous and orgiastic forms of the wet path, yet directly possessing the qualities of Iron or Mars. The heroic impulse technically offers the same possibilities as the mystical impulse, as well as orgiastic ecstasy and the subtle mortification of hermetic asceticism, but only when the Mars element, by eliminating the earthy, watery and combustible slag, has been prepared to a degree qualitatively similar to Gold and Sun, and when this impulse is so intense that it can overcome the obstacles created by manly hardness and the boundaries of individuality. Moreover, the same path may lead to "the breaking of the spell which restrains the body of Gold and prevents it from performing its masculine functions," following not the method by which "Fire acts in the highest degree gently and moderately from beginning to end," but a method which requires "a furious Fire similar to that used for the operation of multiplication."

Hermetic Tradition. Julius Evola.

 

[MJF]

The path of Venus and the radical path.

Hermeticism very often uses sexual symbolism to describe the wet path, which gives certain reasons to suspect this tradition of knowing a different kind of "corrosive waters" having to do with the destructive power of the woman, which the latter manifests towards the man, uniting with him in the amalgam of love and sexual intercourse. As in the case of the soma, we can say here that the Lady of the Philosophers (symbol of the vital force) at some point ceases to be "knowable": then the earthly woman is used as a means of approaching her, thanks to the dizziness and ecstasies of eros arising from the interaction of the two sexes. This is the meaning of certain "operations of two vessels" enigmatically mentioned in alchemy; these two vessels are the bodies of two people of different sexes, which contain two hermetic principles, in the case of other alchemical practices prepared and combined in one being: active and passive, the power of gold and moisture, attractive and pleasant, which "dissolves" the "closedness" characteristic of the former. In this way it is possible to give a real, not symbolic, interpretation to statements like "Our bodily Gold is as if dead before it unites with its spouse. Only after that the inner and secret Sulphur begins to develop", and "together with the Venus Sulphur the inner Sulphur of man is corrected, strengthened and comes into conformity with the ideal". On this plane the phases of sublimation, produced in the course of extraction and then capture and fixation (as we have already seen with the symbol of the cutting off of the wings of the Dragon flying in the etheric heights and the victory over the Bull at the end of its furious rut), can be recognized in the alchemical-Kabbalistic texts, which speak of the spear thrust of Phinehas (Numbers 25), "which pierced them at the moment of union in their locis genitalibus, the solar Israelite and the lunar Midianite .... This spearhead or power of Iron, acting upon matter, purifies it from every abomination. The Israelite here is nothing but, the masculine Sulphur (in its ordinary state); by the Midianite we must mean Dry Water (in this case probably an allusion to the draining of the "superfluous moisture" which, by suitable preparation, the woman had acquired in her senses and faculties of feeling), mixed properly with red Markazite or Ore. The spear of Phineas not only kills the male Sulphur, but also kills his woman ; they both perish by mixing their blood in a single act of generation (more supernatural than physical). Then the wonders of Phineas (representing the operator) are manifested." De Pharmaco Catholico also speaks of the secretion of the hot solar Mercury from the mine of Venus by means of the Wine Stone (which is equivalent to chaos, the dissolving force of symbolic "combustion") and Ammonium Salt, whose ability to compress, unlike the former, can take on the meaning of the aforementioned "spear thrust". And if the Hermetic texts often speak of death following conjunctio, "conjunction", this perhaps also refers to the trauma that occurs at the peak of copulation and orgasm, subject to a certain mode.

In fact, the power of generation clearly contains the power of Life itself, and it is a question of taking it by surprise, stopping it and taking possession of it at the moment when it turns to the generation of another essence and finds itself as if naked, in a non-individualized state, since it cannot pass from one essence to another without being for a moment in a non-individualized and free state. But this state itself represents the "poisonous" aspect of Mercury, which kills. Thus it is possible to find in the sexual act conditions similar to those under which initiation in the form of active death takes place. Hence the double aspect of Love and Death characteristic of some ancient deities: Venus, as Libitina, is also the goddess of death; "Mortis et vitae locus," says a Roman inscription dedicated to Priapus. The fusion of the different meanings finds its culmination in the Hindu notion of kundalini, which is both the Goddess and the "serpentine force" responsible for bodily organization and maintenance of the body, which is rooted at the base of sex and manifests itself at death or separation, and which yogis use to cross the "threshold of Brahman" and break through to the "King's Road."


In alchemical texts we can find other allusions that make use of the power that manifests itself in man as sexuality, especially in the case of more or less direct references to Saturn's or Ammonium Sulphur, which sleeps in the lower middle (cf. Part I, ch. 21) and corresponds to the "Father" (according to Gichtel), as well as to the Devil's Selitra, which is the "magical fire key" as well as the opposing, destructive force for the other, external Sulfur (see De Pharmaco Catholico). However, when such a force is integrated into the process of Doing, one can no longer speak of a wet path; although the "wet" methodology is still present to a certain extent, we are now dealing with a path that can be called super-dry, since it leads directly to the final phase "in the Red", skipping over all the intermediate stages, directly striking Matter with the fiery lightning hidden within the Telluric and Saturnian essence that once defeated the Titans.


This is the ruinous path. Heber refers to it as the "Balance of Fire" and characterizes it as the path "most difficult and dangerous," and calls it "swift and impetuous royal work"; the Sages envisioned it only for Princes, referring to the need for special qualifications and innate "nobility." Among the four paths mentioned by Andreae is the fourth, by which "no man can reach the Royal Palace": it is "impassable to mortals, for it is exhausting, and accessible only to men with incorruptible bodies." Perhaps this is the same as the direct fiery awakening of the kundalini according to Tantric yoga, which is preceded by only one "heroic" preparation - vîr-krama - without "mortification" and without "dissolution in the White", i.e. without passing through the middle zone of the chest (see part I, ch. 21). The general danger of initiate's death - and death not only as a physical fact - is maximized in this case.


Finally, as a softened version of the above-mentioned method, we can point to another way, to a certain extent "androgynous", dry and wet at the same time, referring to heroic initiation in the direct sense and referring to the ancient sacral meaning of war, to the original identity of the warrior and the initiate, to mors triumphalis as "the way to heaven", etc. In doing so, a carrying and furious force is awakened,-eros, akin to the tempestuous and orgiastic forms of the wet path, yet directly possessing the qualities of Iron or Mars. The heroic impulse technically offers the same possibilities as the mystical impulse, as well as orgiastic ecstasy and the subtle mortification of hermetic asceticism, but only when the Mars element, by eliminating the earthy, watery and combustible slag, has been prepared to a degree qualitatively similar to Gold and Sun, and when this impulse is so intense that it can overcome the obstacles created by manly hardness and the boundaries of individuality. Moreover, the same path may lead to "the breaking of the spell which restrains the body of Gold and prevents it from performing its masculine functions," following not the method by which "Fire acts in the highest degree gently and moderately from beginning to end," but a method which requires "a furious Fire similar to that used for the operation of multiplication."

Hermetic Tradition. Julius Evola.

You raise a lot of interesting points in your two posts that will require a lot of careful unpacking to comment on. I will endeavour to do so in the near future since I hope it may lead to an interesting debate.

For the purposes of this thread, we should keep in mind that the Knights Templar (at least those in the inner circle) and the Rosicrucians (the modern counterparts of the 4th density STS Rosteem) were Hermeticists who may have been aware of much you have raised in your posts. We know, for example, that the Rosicrucians seem to be linked to the enclave of alchemists who the C's told us not only used the white powder of monoatomic gold (which was known to the Egyptian pharaohs and priests) to extend their lifespans but also to control people completely.​

 

[Cruiseraurora]

Alchemy is interesting exactly as long as you are into it as a hobby. Cass has been told it's not a very big piece of knowledge. There are only clues to something more, to understanding who we are.
All these "metals" and "powders" are all distractions from what Alchemy really is. It is about the connection of our psyche (which expands into higher densities) and our biochemistry, which is a reflection of our Way. Also here is the connection of our special genetics to our phenomenal mental capabilities. And also, here are markers of how you might recognize those whom "you will find or they will find you"(c)K ;)

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You can check out the alchemical treatise Aurora Consurgens. In the illustrations of this treatise, you will see the stages that the Aurora, an earthly person, a "candidate" who aspires to the higher densities, goes through.

 

[MJF]

The Princes in the Tower

I recently watched a fascinating documentary, which may change forever the way historians view the tragic tale of the two boy princes in the Tower of London. In fact, one of them was not a prince at all but an uncrowned king. It is one of the darkest episodes in the long history of the monarchy in England. Those reading this article who are not familiar with British history may say, so what. However, what happened to the two young boy princes who were held in the Tower of London would have a profound effect on English and British history and by extension the history of the modern world, since these princes were along with their uncle Richard III the last of the Plantagenet line of kings whose dynasty would give way first to the Tudors and then to the Stuarts. See: Princes in the Tower - Wikipedia.



Before I started this thread, I had ventured to Laura that certain comments the C’s had made about a super nova occurring at the time of a “struggle out of order” in the royal line of succession, leading to a usurpation of the throne, related to that episode in English history known as the so called ‘Glorious Revolution’ of 1689, which saw the legitimate King of Great Britain, James II (a Stuart monarch) forced from his throne by a cabal of English Parliamentarians and powerful economic interest groups based primarily in the City of London.
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Session 5 September 1998:

Q: (L) You mentioned the importance of the Horsehead Nebula in relation to the symbol of the Knight. What is the significance of the Horsehead Nebula?

A: Keep up your search, as you are near.

Q: (L) What would be the effect of cosmic rays emitted by a supernova that is in some proximity to the earth on the human body?

A: Genetic splice of strand.

Q: (L) How close would a supernova have to be to have this effect?

A: 2000 light years.

Q: (L) So that either of these stars in Orion that are potential supernova prospects could have this effect since they are approximately 1500 light years away?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) Are we talking about effects that propagate with the speed of light, or effects that are superluminal and instantaneous?

A: Both, and slower as well.

Q: (L) What would be the effect that would be instantaneous?

A: Lesser.

Q: (A) Now this supernova that is supposed to explode soon, will it be soon in the sense of our SEEING it, that is the arrival of the light from this, or soon in the instantaneous sense?

A: Optically.

Q: (L) So, this supernova must have already occurred?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And where did this supernova take place?

A: No dice, baby!

Q: (L) What clue can I follow to determine which star it is?

A: Instincts.

Q: (A) But, if it already occurred, then this means that the instantaneous effects have already been felt, even if it was lesser than the optical effects. It must have been recorded by anomalous changes in genes? (L) Is that true?

A: Close.

Q: (L) So what, in the records, should we be looking for?

A: Sign of struggle out of sequence with pre-ordained activities of Royal Blood Lines.

Q: (L) In other words, the usurpation of the blood lines?

A: Close.

The C’s would follow-up on their comments on the pre-ordained activities of Royal Blood Lines in the session dated 4 December 1999:

Q: I have two last questions: at one point you said to note the "struggle out of sequence with pre-ordained activities of royal bloodlines." Now, of course, I made the remark about usurpation of a throne, but later I realized that we don't really know what the pre-ordained activities of royal bloodlines really are. They don't necessarily have to do with a secular position, they could be a function. What are the pre-ordained activities of royal bloodlines?

A: Control.

Q: Control of what? People?

A: Close.

Q: Control of the reality in some sense?

A: Not as close.

Q: Control as in STS domination?

A: Yes.

Q: Are there any other pre-ordained activities?

A: Need there be?

Q: Okay, "struggle out of sequence." Loss of control? The royal bloodlines lose control?

A: Only when energies build prior to completion of cycle.

Q: What sign am I looking for? Struggle out of sequence... a rebellion that breaks out... a particular cycle to these events... a period of time?

A: You need to review.

James II was replaced as monarch by his eldest daughter Mary Stuart and her Dutch husband Prince William of Orange in a co-regency, which saw for the first time the institution of a constitutional monarchy in Britain – which one could argue here undermined the pre-ordained activities of the royal bloodlines by curtailing the monarch’s hitherto absolute powers. Mary would take the throne in favour of her baby brother James, who should have succeeded his father under a regency by the laws of primogeniture and royal succession at that time. Hence, with Mary’s accession to the throne, there was no usurpation of the bloodline as such, since she was of Stuart blood, but a usurpation of the line of succession instead, thus fulfilling the C’s comments about a “struggle out of sequence”.

Mary and James would have no children and they would be succeeded by Mary’s younger sister Anne who would also die without living issue (she had several miscarriages), thus bringing the Stuart dynasty to an end. This then paved the way for the Hanoverian dynasty to take over and this dynasty still rules the United Kingdom to this day. However, the surviving male Stuart pretenders to the throne would in due course launch two major campaigns against the Hanoverian monarchy under the direction first of the exiled Prince James Stuart in 1715 and then under that of his son Prince Charles Edward Stuart in 1745 in order to regain the Stuart crown. Both campaigns would end in disaster for the Stuarts and their supporters.

Due to recent discoveries in European documentary archives, it now seems though that this was not the first occasion a displaced dynasty had sought to regain the English throne from their dynastic successors and this earlier episode (if it is the one the C’s were referring to) may therefore have implications for the dating of the super nova, allowing us to narrow down in light year terms where the star concerned may be located. This time it was not the Stuarts trying to regain their throne from the Hanoverians but the Plantagenets, and specifically the royal House of York (symbolised by the white rose) trying to regain their throne from the usurping Tudors, who had been allied to the House of Lancaster (symbolised by the red rose).​

The Accession of King Richard III

Richard Duke of Gloucester became king upon the unexpected death of his brother Edward IV in 1483. However, he should not have taken the throne since his brother had two living heirs, Edward Prince of Wales and Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York, who were Richard’s young nephews. Indeed, the real successor to the throne was the young prince Edward who was, and still is, known to history as Edward V, even though, like his more modern namesake Edward VIII, he was never crowned.

The original intention was that Richard should have reigned as regent until his nephew Edward was old enough to assume the throne, but he took instead the self-serving measure of having his nephews declared illegitimate, thus cutting them both off from the throne and legitimising his own claim to succeed his brother as king. Ironically, this declaration of illegitimacy would be reversed by Richard’s successor as king, Henry Tudor, who would become Henry VII in 1487. But what happened to the two young princes who were aged nine and twelve respectively at this time? It is known that they lived in royal apartments at the Tower of London, which, contrary to most people’s view of this medieval fortress as a prison, was in fact a royal palace and the nation’s main armoury. It was a busy, bustling centre of activity with numerous taverns and places where business was conducted, as well as being a royal zoo or menagerie. There are certainly eyewitness reports of the two princes being seen playing in the tower grounds shortly after young Richard joined his older brother, but there are no recorded sightings of either of them after the summer of 1483. For example, Dominic Mancini*, an Italian friar who visited England in the 1480s and who was in London in the spring and summer of 1483 recorded that after Richard III seized the throne, Edward and his younger brother Richard were taken into the "inner apartments of the Tower" and then were seen less and less until they disappeared altogether. An alleged attempt to rescue them in late July supposedly failed. Thus, with the two princes vanishing from sight they would seem to have been completely lost to history.​

*Mancini's account was not discovered until 1934, in the Municipal Library in Lille.

Many historians and commentators have assumed that Richard III had them quietly killed and then secretly buried, a common theory that was dramatized by William Shakespeare in his play Richard III - Shakespeare apparently relied on Holinshed’s Chronicles, written in the second half of the 16th century, as one of the main sources for his play. In 1674, workmen at the Tower of London excavating under a staircase leading to the White Chapel found a wooden box containing two small human skeletons. The bones were widely accepted at the time as those of the princes, but this has not been proven and is far from certain. King Charles II had the bones buried in Westminster Abbey, where they remain to this day. In 1933, a medical examination was carried out on the skeletons where they were declared to be those of two young boys aged approximately nine and twelve respectively (no attempt was even made to determine whether the bones were those of males or females). For many, this finding seemed to be ‘case closed’ but without modern DNA testing there must necessarily remain a doubt. Although forensic testing of the bones has been suggested with the advent of modern DNA analysis, the late Queen Elzabeth II, whose royal permission* would have been required for such testing, always vetoed it on the grounds that she wished the boys remains to rest in peace.​

*In 2022, Tracy Borman, joint chief curator of Historic Royal Palaces, stated that King Charles III held "a very different view" on the subject and could potentially support an investigation.

So, did Richard III kill his nephews and have their remains secretly buried under a staircase at the Tower? Apart from their disappearance, the only evidence for Richard having organised their deaths is entirely circumstantial. As a result, several other hypotheses about their fates have been proposed, including the suggestion that they were murdered by their maternal uncle the Duke of Buckingham, the future brother-in-law to King Henry VII, or his mother Lady Margaret Beaufort, who had her own reasons to detest the House of York, among others.​

Could the Princes in the Tower have Survived?

It has also been suggested, as an alternative, that one or both princes may have escaped assassination. In 1487, Lambert Simnel initially claimed to be the Duke of York, but later claimed to be York's cousin the Earl of Warwick. From 1491 until his capture in 1497, Perkin Warbeck claimed to be the Duke of York, having supposedly escaped to Flanders. Warbeck's claim was supported by some contemporaries, including York's aunt the renowned Duchess of Burgundy based at her court at Mechelen. However, until now there has been little documentary evidence to support these claims but that situation has recently changed.

Evidence has been unearthed by Philippa Langley, an amateur historian who was the person who found Richard III's remains under a car park in the city of Leicester in 2012, that supports the case that both princes survived their incarceration in the Tower to escape to Europe where they carried on the Plantagenet’s cause, much like the Stuart pretenders would do over two centuries later. Mrs Langley claims that documents discovered in European archives point to the princes' escape and later bids to invade England to regain the crown. She carried out her investigation with 300 freelance researchers to find out what really happened to the princes.


Phillipa Langley with Barrister Rob Rinder (Britain’s equivalent to Judge Judy) with whom she presented the Channel 4 documentary.

Among the four key documents presented in the Channel 4 documentary that I watched called ‘The Princes in the Tower’ is a witness statement from 1493 said to be by Prince Richard, Duke of York, who was nine when he disappeared with his brother in 1483 (see image below). The full witness statement is in Middle Dutch - a precursor to the modern language - and is believed to have been copied from an original that would have been in Latin or French.



Experts have authenticated it as being written during that period. It tells how the boys were separated in the Tower before two men 'swore by honour and oath to hide me secretly until certain years were past'. Written in the first person in 1493, it describes how Richard was smuggled from the Tower of London by Henry and Thomas Percy. Experts have authenticated it as being written during that period. It reads: 'I was brought to my brother, who was already there, in the Tower of London. 'We were separated. I was secretly taken into a room in a place where the lions were kept. 'Lord Howard came to me and encouraged me. 'At last, he ordered the guards to leave and then brought two other men to me. They were called Henry Percy and Thomas Percy.' It adds: 'They shaved my hair and put a poor and drab shirt on me and we went to St Katharine's [dock].' It goes on to say that he was taken by boat to France before travelling to Portugal.

You will note here that two senior members of the Percy family (who the incumbent Duke of Northumberland was and still is the family head), the same Percy family that Laura is related to, were involved in the escape of the two princes. This suggests they were opposed to the princes’ uncle, Richard III who had usurped the throne from his nephew Edward. We should also note that this is a hundred years before the heyday of Henry Percy the famous Wizard Earl Luara has alluded to in her writings. Sadly, the Percy who took Prince Richard to Portugal died there and the young prince was left to the care of Portuguese allies. It may be relevant to note here that Richard’s aunt Margaret, Duchess of Burgundy was the daughter-in-law of Isabella of Portugal, whose relatives and allies may have come to the prince’s assistance on the death of Percy. According to Phillipa Langley, Richard would subsequently find his way to Margaret’s court at Mechelen, where he was given royal lodgings.

Another document, dated to 1493, is written by a scribe in French from King Maximilian's court. We should note here that Margaret the Duchess of Burgundy*, was also the step mother-in-law of Maximillian who was very close to her. It outlines why Maximilian, the leader of the Holy Roman Empire, believes the young man in the witness statement is Prince Richard. It describes three distinctive birthmarks on the young man's body.

*As a curious aside, at the wedding celebrations following Margaret’s wedding to Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy, one of celebrations included the "Tournament of the Golden Tree" that was arranged around an elaborately detailed allegory designed to honour the bride. What is about trees and their association with things golden?

The third document dated 1483, which was discovered in an archive in Dresden, Germany, is from Holland and appears to bear a royal seal and a signature of a 'Richard, Duke of York'. It promises that Richard will pay 30,000 florins (a huge sum in those days) to Duke Albert of Saxony three months after regaining the English throne.

A man claiming to be Richard subsequently landed in England with a small army in the hope of gaining the throne. When an initial attempt failed, he fled to Scotland and then launched another bid in 1497. It should be noted here that whilst in Scotland he entered into a marriage contracted with a Scottish noblewoman at the behest of the Scottish King (a Stuart). There was no indication that the marriage gave rise to a child though.

Having been captured, Richard he signed a confession where he declared that he was really Perkin Warbeck, a boatman's son, but Mrs Langley believes it was likely Prince Richard. Philippa Langley argues that the confession had been preprepared. Henry VII instead of executing the young prince (in the guise of Perkin Warbeck) treated him very well at first. He had royal lodgings at the Tower of London provided to him and Henry even took him to Westminster Hall (Parliament) where he was introduced and shown around, which seems a very odd way of treating a traitor who had tried to seize one’s throne. Could the fact that the young man was the younger brother of Henry’s queen, Elizabeth of York, and therefore his brother-in-law have played a part in this unusual treatment of someone who was supposedly an enemy of the crown. However, the documentary revealed that this apparent show of clemency and goodwill on the part of Henry did not last long since, when Warbeck subsequently escaped from the Tower and was quickly recaptured, Henry lost patience and had him executed.

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Another document is from Holland, dated 1483, which appears to bear a royal seal and the signature of a 'Richard, Duke of York'.

The Fate of Edward V

But what of Edward, Richard’s older brother? What happened to him?

Having obtained support from his aunt the Duchess of Burgundy and Yorkist supporters in mainland Europe, he apparently sailed to Dublin in Ireland in 1487 in the company of German mercenaries. Mainly with the help of Gerald Fitzgerald, 8th Earl of Kildare (MJF: an ancestor mine), and his brother Thomas Fitzgerald the Lord Chancellor of Ireland he was crowned King at a Church in Dublin on 24 May 1487. From there he sailed to Lancashire in England with his motley collection of Irish and German-Swiss mercenaries to join up with Yorkist supporters in the north of England to march on London and take the crown back. Although the Yorkist forces would enjoy success in the early skirmishes, Tudor forces would receive substantial reinforcements from George Stanley, who as Lord Strange, was the heir apparent of Thomas Stanley, the 1st Early of Derbyshire. Hence, as at the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485 that saw Henry VII defeat Richard III, the Stanleys would play a major part in suppressing this Yorkist attempt to regain the throne two years later. It is also noticeable that one of Henry’s principal military commanders at the Battle of Stoke was John de Vere, 13th Earl of Oxford, who was an ancestor of the Earl of Oxford who many claim to be the real pen behind the works of Shakespeare and may well have been a fellow Rosicrucian with his friend and fellow poet Sir Francis Bacon (as members of the ‘Philosophers of Dancar’).

The fourth piece of evidence identified by Mrs Langley is a receipt for weapons for the 'son of King Edward IV' for the 1487 Yorkist invasion of England, of which Lambert Simnel was the main figurehead. The 1487 receipt in medieval French uncovered by researchers at the Archives Department in Lille France, refers to 400 long pikes that were to be supplied to a Yorkist army of German-Swiss soldiers who were preparing to invade England. The receipt states unequivocally that the army was being sent by Margaret, the Dowager Duchess of Burgundy, to serve her nephew, the son of her late brother Edward IV, who had been expelled from his dominion.

The dominant belief about Simnel is that he claimed to be, or actually was, Edward, Earl of Warwick. But Phillipa Langley suggests that Simnel really was the young King Edward V. Edward’s forces would clash with those of Henry VII at the pivotal Battle of Stoke Field near the town of Newark in Nottinghamshire where on 14 June 1487 they were routed, and Edward was presumed to have been killed. Many of the surviving Yorkist and their Irish and German troops would be captured and hanged. Many historians mark this as the final battle of the War of the Roses between the Houses of York and Lancaster.

It is curious then that it was the red rose of Lancaster that won the war, given that this would become a key part of the emblem of the Rosicrucians (the Rosy Cross) who would subsequently emerge in the early 17th century. Does this tell us anything or is it just mere coincidence? As a result of this battle, the Tudors would go on to rule England for over a century and under Henry VIII, Edward VI and Elizabeth I they would oversee a Protestant Reformation and break with the Church of Rome, the destruction of the monastic system and with it the establishment of a new landed gentry class, and the creation of what would become the British Empire. Was all this by chance or the product of a brilliant long-term strategy executed by someone or something? How different might history have been (particularly that of the USA) if the Plantagenets had retained their throne and it had not been seized by the Tudors. Would there have been any British Empire or a USA?​

A Drawing of Lambert Simnel​

But what happened to Simnel? Simnel was captured but surprisingly was then pardoned by Henry in a gesture of clemency which did his reputation no harm. Henry realised that Simnel was merely a puppet for the leading Yorkists. He was given a job in the royal kitchen as a spit-turner, and later promoted to falconer. A bit of a come down you would think for a young man who had been crowned king weeks before. In the same spirit of clemency, the Irish nobles who had supported Simnel were also pardoned, as Henry believed he needed their support to govern Ireland effectively. Which was good news for my ancestor, but the Fitzgeralds would not fare so well under Henry’s Tudor successors, as many would be imprisoned or lose their lives in revolts against the English crown during the 16th century.

However, other members of Langley’s research project have suggested an alternative fate for the young prince and claim that Richard III may have spared Edward and allowed him to live under a false name in a rural Devon village. Academics followed a paper trail including medieval documents that led them to Coldridge, where royal Yorkist symbols are carved into the local church, St Matthew's. The findings hinted at a secret deal struck between the boys' mother and Richard III that allowed Edward V to live his life under the fake name 'John Evans'. In the church there is also an effigy of 'John Evans' gazing directly at a stained-glass window that depicts Edward V, suggesting they were one and the same person.

Conclusion

Whatever the truth of the separate fates of the two princes, Phillipa Langley’s diligent research suggests that this period of English history may need to be rewritten by today’s historians. The Tudors were master propagandists and through their effective supremacy over all matters of state in England were in a position to have their scribes write their version of history. But, as I said at the beginning of this article, you might ask so what. How does this change anything?

Well, I still think that the toppling of James II may be the particular period the C’s had in mind for when the upcoming visual super nova occurred, since it brought to an end the absolute monarchic regimes of the male Stuart kings and ushered in a new style of constitutional monarchy where the real power would shift to an elected government, who would govern in the monarch’s name but have the real power to set state policy and taxes. By these means, the absolute control of the royal bloodlines was effectively undermined. However, the sea-saw switching of the ascendancy of the Houses of Lancaster and York during the War of the Roses, which culminated in victory for the House of Lancaster in the person of Henry Tudor (Henry VII) and the earlier usurpation of the throne by his rival Richard III who had deposed his nephew Edward V, could provide a viable alternative period for the “struggle out of sequence” leading to the royal bloodlines losing control (as they eventually did in 1689), as suggested by the C’s. If so, this could take the date for the super nova back a further 200+ years. Using 1485 as a starting date, this would mean looking for a star that is currently 538 light years from Earth.​

Does anyone have any candidates?

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For those who wish to read more about these startling discoveries, Phillipa Langley’s book The Princes In The Tower: Solving History’s Greatest Cold Case is now available for purchase.​

See also: Research reveals DNA of the ‘Princes in the Tower’ | University of Essex

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[moyal]

I would also remind readers of comments Laura made on Poussin’s work:

... that it is a "meditative study”. But, interestingly, the "art experts" also say that the Shepherdess is the continuation of the "vertical axis" of the tree while the shepherd on the left, with his resting arm, provides the horizontal axis, and that every gesture and line follows this initial "cross”, with "all the cool logic of a geometrical theorem."

Well, I wonder if art critics REALLY see all this sort of thing in a painting, or if they just want to sound clever. I do notice that the shepherdess' head is right in the middle of a tree branch, almost as if it were a halo. But I don't know what kind of tree it is...​

The Titian is worth noting, especially when you consider that he seems to be the origin [or at least a predecessor] of this whole "I hide occult references in paintings with a mythological theme that I paint for the aristocracy" thing.



I see 'knees' and a goat trying to climb a broken tree of life. Or is it a stag ... a hind maybe?
-> kne - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

 

[dennis]

MJF:
Does anyone have any candidates?

Antares is a supernova candidate approx. 550 LY distance (per wikipedia)

Classified as spectral type M1.5Iab-Ib, Antares is a red supergiant, a large evolved massive star and one of the largest stars visible to the naked eye. Its exact size remains uncertain, but if placed at the center of the Solar System, it would extend out to somewhere between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. Its mass is calculated to be around 12 times that of the Sun. Antares appears as a single star when viewed with the naked eye, but it is actually a binary star system, with its two components called α Scorpii A and α Scorpii B.

Antares - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Antares – Constellations of Words

 

[moyal]

In Rüdiger's Eddic Eugenics there is a description of the "fall" of the sons of light and the need to consume blood.

You raise a lot of interesting points in your two posts that will require a lot of careful unpacking to comment on.​

This Rüdiger is Emil Rüdiger a pupil of Karl Maria Wiligut (who in turn is SS-Brigadeführer "Weisthor" = 'Himmler's Rasputin', the desginer of the SS-Totenkopfring etc.). Who Julius Evola was, should be clear.
-> Hans-Jürgen Lange: Himmlers Erberinnerer Karl Maria Wiligut und seine Quellen

I'm not saying this in a derogatory way, but as a reference to the "careful unpacking", if this should be attempted.

 

[Cruiseraurora]

Yes, thank you. I would add to this another very interesting author Herman Wirth. If you're not prejudiced. Some of what he wrote Cass has also confirmed. He was a researcher, not a Nazi. Knowledge can be used for good as well as evil.
If you ever want to approach the Nordic Covenant, you will have to keep an open mind and forget the subjective concept of good and evil. Emotions get in the way of perception. Such information requires a strong psyche (but I doubt you'll ever get a full understanding of the Nordic Covenant because it's not safe in 3D).
Also, is "control" a good thing or a bad thing?
For example, you have a small child who is trying to stick his fingers in a socket - what will you do? Give him total Free Will? Would you say - okay, so be it?
It's a difficult question, isn't it?

 

[MJF]

Antares is a supernova candidate approx. 550 LY distance (per wikipedia)

Antares – Constellations of Words

If you are not aware, I discussed the possibility that Antares might be a candidate for the star which is due to go supernova in my post on this thread of 28th August 2022 - see: Alton Towers, Sir Francis Bacon and the Rosicrucians.

It would be well worth re-reading this post since I made a link to Antares and the mysterious Antareans (or Antereans) the C's have referred to in the transcripts. However, I am setting out below those passages most relevant to Antares as being a possible candidate:​

Q: Who built the city of Baalbek?

A: Antereans and early Sumerians. We meant Atlanteans. {Who are the Antereans?}

And:

A: Those identifying themselves as "Antareans." [MJF: Note the spelling has slightly changed from “Antereans” to “Antareans” here]

Q: (L) And who are the Antareans?

A: STS Humanoid Orion linkage.

Q: (L) What is an STS Orion Linkage? (T) That's the... (L) We have a new concept here. (T) They would be... the... the...the... (V) Mutant Race! (T) Yes! Those that were part of the creation...

A: No.

Q: (L) What is an STS Humanoid Orion linkage?

[Part of tape seems to be missing here, questions in [brackets] are reconstruction]

A: An STS race from Orion that is humanoid.

The question we need to ask ourselves is whether the Antareans are the same people as the Kantekkians or a separate distinct group? The name suggests that they may originally have come from the star system Antares, which is the brightest star in the constellation of Scorpius and is known as "the heart of the scorpion" (N.B. this zodiacal connection could itself be a very important clue).

Antares is a red supergiant and one of the largest stars visible to the naked eye. Its mass is calculated to be around 12 times that of the Sun. In ancient Egypt, Antares represented the scorpion goddess Serket and, interestingly, was also the symbol of Isis in the pyramidal ceremonies, which may be more than a mere coincidence. Antares was called tms n hntt "the red one of the prow", which could, I suppose, establish a link with the Egyptian ‘Boat of a Million Years’.

However, this link with the constellation of Scorpius makes me think of what the C’s said about mankind’s original home world of D'Ankhiar, which is located somewhere in the region of the constellation Scorpio, according to the C’s in the Session dated 23 October 1994:​

Q: (L) Well, then how did mankind come to be here?

A: Combination of factors. Numerous souls desired physical existence then was altered by three forces including principally Lizards through Grays, Nephalim and Orion union.

Q: (L) Tell us again who are the Nephilim?

A: Enforcers. Slaves of Orion. From Planet 3C, or 3rd star, 3rd planet. [MJF: Is that the Orion constellation or another?]

Q: (L) You said the other night that the Nephalim came from some area around the constellation Scorpio, is that correct?

A: Originally seeded there but you were too.

Q: (L) We were originally seeded somewhere else? Where? Orion? What is the name of that planet?

A: D’Ankhiar. Ankh is ancient symbolism of this planet. Is female symbol. Stands for mother planet.

Q: (L) Is this other planet our original home?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is it like back Home?

A: Spent. Cindered. Burned up.

Since the C’s referred to the Nation of the Third Eye as the Antareans, this makes me wonder if D'Ankhiar is to be found in the Antares star system within the constellation of Scorpio. If so, could it be Antares (Alpha Scorpii), the red super-giant, that is due to go supernova rather than Rigel in Orion? Here is what they say in Wikipedia about the prospects of Antares going supernova:​

“Antares, like the similarly sized red supergiant Betelgeuse* in the constellation Orion, will almost certainly explode as a supernova, possibly in the next ten thousand years. For a few months, the Antares supernova could be as bright as the full moon and be visible in daytime.”

*As to Betelgeuse going supernova see: One of the brightest stars in the sky is evolving and dying before our eyes (theconversation.com)

The traditional name “Antares” is from the Ancient Greek Άντάρης, which means anti-Ares, or the rival of Mars, because of its similar colour to the red planet. In the Babylonian star catalogues dating from at least 1100 BC, Antares was called GABA GIR.TAB, i.e., "the Breast of the Scorpion". In the MUL.APIN (a Babylonian compendium that dealt with many diverse aspects of Babylonian astronomy and astrology), which dates between 1100 and 700 BC, it is one of the stars of Ea in the southern sky and denotes the breast of the Scorpion goddess Ishhara, who may be likened, therefore, to the Egyptian scorpion goddess Serket. Ishhara was the tutelary goddess of the ancient Syrian city of Ebla but her cult had a wide reach across the ancient Near East. The worship of Ishara subsequently spread to Mesopotamia. The Hurrians also adopted her into their pantheon after arriving in Syria, from which she then found her way to the Hittite pantheon. Although she was the tutelary deity of the ruling family, she was also a love goddess and in Mesopotamia the latter function led to her being associated with Ishtar and by extension Inanna in Sumer and Astarte in the Levant (the primary goddess of the Canaanites and Phoenicians). She was also regarded as a goddess of divination and a divine guardian of oaths. Curiously, the Māori in New Zealand call Antares Rēhua, and regard it as the chief of all the stars. Rēhua is the father of Puanga/Puaka (Rigel), an important star in the calculation of the Māori calendar. Hence, we see an association in Māori tradition between the red giant star Antares and the blue giant star Rigel, both of which could go supernova in the near future.

This reference to Māori tradition makes me think of what the C's said about the Māoris and their kite flying and the relevance this may have to the method of communication employed by the bloodline families to keep in contact with each other:
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{After a lot more reading, I actually think that the Thunderbird and Sky serpents represented the giant comet break-up described by Victor Clube. But then, the Cs have made allusions to 4D that might include weather as warfare and comets as "craft" though not in the 3D sense.}
Q: (L) {Reading from list of questions.} The Maori origin of kites. Why did the Maori fly kites?
A: To attempt communication with Gods.
Q: (TB) Which is exactly what their myths state. (L) Which gods?
A: STS.

This does not necessarily mean that D'Ankhiar is/was a planet of Antares, for it is a binary star system with a second smaller star, Antares B. Antares B is a magnitude 5.5 blue-white main-sequence star, which has a mass 7.2 times that of the Sun and a radius 5.2 times solar and is 150 times brighter. Antares B, which is normally difficult to see in small telescopes due to glare from Antares, appears a profound blue or bluish-green colour, in contrast to the orange red of Antares A.

Some red giants have planets orbiting around them. It is theorized that red giants can have a stable habitable zone, allowing life to probably develop on planets. However, red supergiant stars are meant to have very short lives, so whether that would permit sufficient time to allow life to evolve on orbiting planets to sustain humanoid life must be debatable unless, of course, it received artificial assistance from extra-terrestrials. This means, therefore, that it is more likely that Antares B, a sun somewhat more like our own star Sol, would be capable of supporting humanoid life on an orbiting planet rather than a red supergiant like Antares A.

If a massive red supergiant star goes supernova, any life bearing planet in its vicinity would be completely burned up. A safe distance from a supernova is reckoned to be 50 to 100 light years (although this may depend on the size of the star going supernova). Being any closer would cause a mass extinction event from the resulting radiation in the form of gamma and x-rays. Scientists speculate that the Devonian and the End-Ordovician mass extinction events on Earth could have been the result of supernovas and the gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) created during the explosions. The high ionizing radiation (which alters atoms and molecules by removing electrons) from gamma and x-rays can cause cancers, mutations, tissue damage, and death in human beings. In fact, some scientists believe organisms on Earth have already been mutated from the effects of distant supernova blasts. This seems to support what the C’s have said about upcoming DNA changes that could be triggered by a supernova:​

Q: (L) What would be the effect of cosmic rays emitted by a supernova that is in some proximity to the earth on the human body?
A: Genetic splice of strand.

Using the most recent figures given by the 2007 Hipparcos data, Antares distance from Earth is given as 553.76 light years. If it were to go supernova and be seen on Earth today, it means the explosion would have occurred around 1469 AD. However, red supergiant stars are short lived and swell dramatically and quickly (in stellar terms) as they prepare to go supernova. That means that D'Ankhiar could have been burned up thousands of years ago, long before Antares A finally goes/went supernova.​

If we work with that date of 1469 AD, it leads to some interesting results where English history is concerned:

Session 5 September 1998:

Q: (L) Having done my homework on supernovas to some extent, and having discovered that either supergiant red stars are in the process of going supernova, or supergiant blue stars are getting ready to be ready to go supernova, as well as eruptions of massive interstellar clouds, I note that Betelgeuse, in the right shoulder of Orion, is a red supergiant, and Rigel, in the foot of Orion, is a blue supergiant, both of which could go supernova. Am I going in the right direction?

A: You have begun to trek down the right path. [MJF: However, this statement is not necessarily an endorsement of Betelgeuse or Rigel as the main candidates.]

[….]

Q: (L) You mentioned the importance of the Horsehead Nebula in relation to the symbol of the Knight. What is the significance of the Horsehead Nebula?

[MJF: The Horsehead Nebula (also known as Barnard 33) is a small dark nebula in the constellation of Orion. The nebula is located just to the south of Alnitak, the easternmost star of Orion’s Belt, and is part of the much larger Orion molecular cloud complex. The Horsehead Nebula is approximately 422 parsecs or 1,375 light-years from Earth.]



A: Keep up your search, as you are near.

Q: (L) What would be the effect of cosmic rays emitted by a supernova that is in some proximity to the earth on the human body?

A: Genetic splice of strand.

Q: (L) How close would a supernova have to be to have this effect?

A: 2000 light years. [MJF: I think this means within 2,000 light-years.]

Q: (L) So that either of these stars in Orion that are potential supernova prospects could have this effect since they are approximately 1500 light years away?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) Are we talking about effects that propagate with the speed of light, or effects that are superluminal and instantaneous?

A: Both, and slower as well.

Q: (L) What would be the effect that would be instantaneous?

A: Lesser.

Q: (A) Now this supernova that is supposed to explode soon, will it be soon in the sense of our SEEING it, that is the arrival of the light from this, or soon in the instantaneous sense?

A: Optically.

Q: (L) So, this supernova must have already occurred?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And where did this supernova take place?

A: No dice, baby!

Q: (L) What clue can I follow to determine which star it is?

A: Instincts.

Q: (A) But, if it already occurred, then this means that the instantaneous effects have already been felt, even if it was lesser than the optical effects. It must have been recorded by anomalous changes in genes. (L) Is that true?

A: Close.

Q: (L) So what, in the records, should we be looking for?

A: Sign of struggle out of sequence with pre-ordained activities of Royal Blood Lines. [MJF: which the C’s later confirmed as being the activity of control – see below]

Q: (L) In other words, the usurpation of the blood lines?

A: Close.

At the beginning of this thread, I suggested to Laura that the usurpation of the bloodline or struggle out of sequence of Royal Blood Lines may have been when James II (James Stuart) of Great Britain was toppled from his throne in the Glorious Revolution of 1688-89 to be replaced by his daughter and son-in-law, Mary Stuart and William Prince of Orange, as the first constitutional monarchs in British history. Laura tended to agree with me. However, the toppling of James II only came after a turbulent 230 years of internecine struggle for the English (and later the British) throne. The struggle for control of the throne had commenced with the War of the Roses (1455-1485) fought between the Houses of York and Lancaster. The War was eventually won by Henry Tudor when he defeated his Yorkist rival King Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth on 22 August 1485, to be crowned Henry VII. Richard III was the last Plantagenet king of England. If you have ever read or seen Shakespeare’s play Richard III, who can forget the scene in Act V where an unhorsed King Richard is seen wandering around the battlefield alone crying: “A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse” before he is unceremoniously killed whilst still wearing his crown. If we take the date of 1469 AD as a possible date for Antares to have gone supernova (bearing in mind we have not seen the supernova the C’s have spoken of yet) then that is only 16 years prior to the date of the Battle of Bosworth and would place it near to the midpoint of the War of the Roses, which clearly involved a dynastic struggle out of sequence.​

The Horsehead Nebula

If we take the distance of Earth from Antares as 554 light years or thereabouts, then, as I have shown, it comes very close to the date on which Henry Tudor usurped the throne from Richard III to end the Plantagenet dynasty. However, we still need to take into account here the importance of the Horsehead Nebula and the symbol of the knight. The knight as a chess piece is, of course, symbolised by a horse’s head. A horse’s head has featured in two of Nicolas Poussin’s paintings, i.e., The Shepherds of Arcadia and Winter. I would suggest this was no accident on Poussin’s part, since he was in all probability a Rosicrucian and had studied under Athanasius Kircher, one of the leading astronomers and philosophers of the age, he may therefore have known of the significance of the Horsehead Nebula in Orion.​

The reference to a horse’s head in The Shepherds of Arcadia was noted by Laura as discussed in the Session dated 31 October 1998:

Q: Okay. Now. This woman with this book "The Horse of God," talks about the shadow of the horse in the Shepherds of Arcadia painting that is evident if you turn it upside down. I know that I dreamed that the painting was a map. In terms of this map, what would be the zero meridian that one would use to place the map?

A: There need not be a zero meridian.

The Horse of God is most probably Neptune or his Greek equivalent Poseidon, as he was often depicted as a horse, although he normally was shown in human form holding a trident. Although primarily a god of the sea, Neptune, like Poseidon, was also worshipped by the Romans as a god of horses, as Neptunus Equestris (a patron of horse-racing). Perhaps this was because of early depictions of him that showed him being pulled across the sea in a chariot pulled by a horse. Moreover, before Poseidon was known as the god of the sea, he was connected to the horse and may have originally been depicted in equine form. Curiously there is a reflection of Neptune/Poseidon in Manannan Mac Lir: who is the Irish and Isle of Man (from whose name the island allegedly derives) god of the sea and guardian of the afterlife. With his sea-borne chariot, affiliation with horses and cloak of invisibility, Manannan guards the otherworld and the afterlife, incorporating aspects of the ancient Greek gods Poseidon and Hades. Intriguingly, there is also a connection between Poseidon and the constellation of Ophiuchus (the Serpent Bearer or Holder), which later myths identified with Laocoön, the Trojan priest of Poseidon who warned his fellow Trojans about the Greek’s Trojan Horse and was later slain by a pair of sea serpents sent by the gods to punish him. This connection may be strengthened by this exchange with the C’s:​

Q: Okay, next question, is this Ophiuchus, the serpent holder, the same as what you have called 'the holder of Trent?'

A: Close. [MJF: If “Trent” can mean “Trident”, then this might link Neptune/Poseidon with 'the holder of Trent’. However, the same applies to Britannia in her representation of the goddess Brigid, Brig or Bride, since she is usually depicted as holding a trident.]

However, it is the second reference to a horse’s head in Poussin’s painting of Winter (or The Flood) that really interests me here:

In the foreground you can see what is meant to be Noah riding on top of a horse with only the animal’s head showing (rather like the chess piece). Given Poussin’s penchant for incorporating stellar themes in his paintings, one can only assume this image is no accident (there is no reference to Noah riding anything in the Bible) and may be intended to represent the Horsehead Nebula. Although Noah cannot really be described as a knight, since he is a biblical patriarch, the image may possibly contain a hidden reference to the chess piece I suppose [MJF: recalling here that the way to win a chess game is to put the opponents' King in checkmate - thus rendering him powerless].​

Returning to what the C’s have said about the Horsehead Nebula, there was a second reference to it in the next session dated 12 September 1998:

Q: (L) Okay, when reading about the Great Nebula in Orion, there is a kite shaped area adjacent to the Horsehead Nebula. I wondered if there was any relation between this and your previous mention of kites. Are we looking at something in that particular area of the sky that is going to go supernova?

A: For supernova, look to the “foot.” [MJF: Note the C’s don’t say the foot of which particular constellation, although Laura infers here that it is the foot of Orion and the blue super-giant star Rigel they have in mind.]

Q: (L) Rigel.

A: Maybe.

The C’s have said on numerous occasions that they would not give away the identity of the star which is to go supernova (usually saying “no dice”). However, there were further references to Rigel in later sessions.

Session 23 October 2004:

Q: (A) Why are you transmitting from Rigel? What is special about Rigel?

A: Oh, wouldn't you like to know?

Q: [Discussion as to what that might mean. Laura points out that Rigel was mentioned in a previous discussion about supernovae.]

A: We already told you "No dice!"

Q: (Galahad) Should we tell the group about the change to Rigel?

A: Wait a bit and "see" how brilliant you are. [MJF: A reference perhaps to illumination produced by changes in DNA due to the supernova and/or at the transition to 4th Density?]

However, could the C’s be concealing something else maybe? What if there was another Horsehead Nebula? Well, there is in fact a second horsehead nebula and it is the Blue Horsehead Nebula in Scorpius, the same constellation Antares is in.​

What you see above is not the famous Horsehead nebula of Orion but rather a fainter nebula that only takes on a familiar form with deeper imaging. The main part of the molecular cloud complex shown here is a reflection nebula catalogued as IC 4592.

Reflection nebulas are made up of very fine dust that normally appears dark but can look quite blue when reflecting the light of energetic nearby stars. In this case, the source of much of the reflected light is a star at the eye of the horse. That star is part of Nu Scorpii, one of the brighter star systems towards the Constellation of Scorpio (or Scorpius).​

The C’s told us: “For supernova, look to the “foot”.”

All scorpions have claws — except it seems for the scorpion in the sky. As the constellation is configured today, Scorpius has a curving tail; a body, highlighted by bright orange Antares; and a head, marked by a short line of stars. But its claws are gone — and have been for thousands of years.

The Babylonians called Scorpius MUL.GIR.TAB – the creature with the burning sting. In some old descriptions, the constellation of Libra was treated as the Scorpion’s celestial claws. Thus, it transpires that Libra was known as the ‘Claws of the Scorpion’ in Babylonia. And as we know, Libra was added to the celestial Zodiac to become the twelfth house.

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The claws of Scorpius extend into Libra as depicted on a 16th century celestial globe. Gerard Mercator​

If the C’s are directing us to the foot of the nebula, does this mean that we need to be looking at Libra, and the former claws of the scorpion, for the star that will go supernova or should we still be looking to the foot of Orion?

Curiously, there is a foot depicted in the above 16th Century image produced by Gerard Mercator and it is that of Ophiuchus (the Serpent Bearer or Holder). You will note that Ophiuchus’s foot is placed close to Antares at the heart of the Scorpion. Ophiuchus has also been mentioned in the Transcripts:​

Session 20 June 1998:

Q: Okay, next question, is this Ophiuchus, the serpent holder, the same as what you have called 'the holder of Trent?'

MJF: The Constellation Ophiuchus was formerly called Serpentarius. To the ancient Greeks, the constellation represented the god Apollo struggling with a huge snake that guarded the Oracle of Delphi. As stated previously above, later myths identified Ophiuchus with Laocoön, the Trojan priest of Poseidon, the trident carrying Greek god and founder of Atlantis.​

A: Close.

Q: I guess that I am going to just have to accept that as a partial answer - why do I bother?!

However, you will note that Ophiuchus was formerly called Serpentarius, and that constellation, called by this earlier name, featured in another session:

Q: Supposedly, Christian Rosencruetz was initiated by the 'philosophers of Dancar.' I want to know where this blasted place is! Okay, skip it. One of the Rosicrucian manifestos said: 'God has sent messengers and signs in the heavens, namely the new stars in Serpentarius and Cygnus, to show that a great council of the elect is to take place.' What do they mean by a 'great council of the elect?'

A: Pyrenees.

Q: Okay, the purported enclave of the alchemists... Why was it signified by new stars in Serpentarius and Cygnus? What do they represent?

A: Novae.*

This theme continued in a further exchange:

Q: In reading the Celtic legends, I discovered that Cassiopaea was equated with Danu, or Don, as in Tuatha de Danaan, or the court of the goddess Danu. So, in other words, the supreme goddess of the Aryans was Cassiopaea. And, Cassiopaea is found in the zodiacal area of Aries, the 'lamb,' where Cephus the 'rock' and 'king' is also found, as well as Perseus, 'he who breaks' and serpentarius. {Just noticed that the previous question about the supernova in Serpentarius could be a reference to the supernova in Cassiopeia by this grouping method.} The image is of Perseus overcoming the serpent, and the ancient Celtic engravings of the horned god show him gripping two serpents by the throat. I would like to understand the symbology here...

A: You are on the right track

*Please note that in astronomical terms “novae” are not “supernovae”. Although the term "stella nova" means "new star", novae most often take place as a result of white dwarf stars, which are remnants of extremely old stars. During the sixteenth century, astronomer Tycho Brahe observed the supernova SN 1572 in the constellation Cassiopeia. He described it in his book De nova stella (Latin for "concerning the new star"), giving rise to the adoption of the name nova. In this work he argued that a nearby object should be seen to move relative to the fixed stars, and that the nova had to be very far away. Although this event was a supernova and not a nova, the terms were considered interchangeable until the 1930s. After this, novae were classified as classical novae to distinguish them from supernovae, as their causes and energies were thought to be different, based solely on the observational evidence.

Intriguingly, the constellation of Scorpius is associated with many myths alongside Orion, the celestial hunter. In one myth, the legendary hunter boasted to the goddess Artemis that he could kill any animal on Earth. Artemis sent a scorpion to kill Orion and, as their battle went on, it caught the attention of Zeus, who raised them both to the sky to serve as a reminder for mortals to curb their excessive pride. In another version of the myth, it was Artemis’ twin brother, Apollo, who sent the scorpion to kill Orion, after the hunter earned the goddesses’ favour by admitting she was better than him. After Zeus raised Orion and the scorpion in the sky, the former hunts every winter but flees every summer when the scorpion returns. In both versions, it was Artemis that asked Zeus to raise Orion to the sky.

So, could the C’s have been directing us to the foot of Ophiuchus (Serpentarius), which aligns close to the heart of Scorpio, where the red-giant star Antares is located, a star that is due to go supernova at any time within the next 10,000 years.​

I followed this up with a second post on 31 August 2022 where I mused on the possibility that the War of the Roses may have been the start of the struggle out of sequence that the C's had referred to:

The other factor to bear in mind for the candidate star is that the supernova event, when it occurred, caused a "Sign of struggle out of sequence with pre-ordained activities of Royal Blood Lines". Hence, you will need to find a star that if it has gone supernova will have done so at a time of the dynastic struggle the C's spoke of. As I said in the article, I thought originally that it might have been the time of the Glorious Revolution in England that saw James II toppled. However, as a student of English history, I noted that the toppling of James II in 1689 came only at the end of a protracted struggle for the throne that had started with the War of the Roses in the mid-15th Century, which culminated in Henry Tudor seizing the throne from the last Plantagenet monarch, Richard III. The Stuarts, a Scottish family, only took the throne of England, which they then combined with that of Scotland, through their descent from Margaret Tudor, Henry VII's daughter and King Henry VIII's sister. You might justifiably say why should we concentrate on English history and English royalty here. The C's might, for example, have had the French monarchy in mind and the death of King Louis XVI of France that would bring Napoleon Bonaparte and his family to power through the French Revolution that would ultimately end in France becoming a republic. It struck me though that if Antares was the star that went super nova, it would have done so during the War of the Roses at a time when the Renaissance was getting into full swing and new ideas were starting to emerge in Europe after the rediscovery of the Hermetica [MJF: perhaps reflecting the instantaneous effects of the supernova with an increase in human intelligence and thinking, which is still ongoing and, if anything, increasing according to David Wilcock]. It may also have coincided with the first stirrings of the modern Rosicrucians as well since there are some scholars who see the movement that burst on the scene in the early 17th Century as having had its roots in men such as Sir Thomas More, Erasmus and later John Dee.

However, if Edward V survived his uncle, Richard III's death in 1485 (as proposed by Phillipa Langley), he would have been the rightful king of England, as would his younger brother Richard Duke of York upon Edward's death, possibly at the Battle of Stoke. I mentioned a potential date of date of 1469 AD, which you will note is quite close to 1483 AD ("close enough for horseshoes"?), the year Edward IV died and was succeeded by Richard III who denied the throne to his nephew Edward V, who was the rightful successor (N.B. he is still deemed to be a king, although uncrowned, in the line of English monarchs). But the War of the Roses between the Houses of Lancaster and York had started long before this. Henry VI (a Lancastrian) who reigned between 6 December 1421 – 21 May 1471 was King of England from 1422 to 1461 and then again from 1470 to 1471.

Henry VI was deposed on 4 March 1461 by Richard Plantagenet's (the Duke of York) son, who took the throne as Edward IV. Despite Margaret of Anjou (Henry's wife) continuing to lead a resistance to Edward IV, Henry was captured by Edward's forces in 1465 and imprisoned in the Tower of London. Henry was restored to his throne in 1470 but Edward retook power in 1471, killing Henry's only son and heir-apparent, Edward of Westminster, in battle and imprisoning Henry once again. Having "lost his wits, his two kingdoms and his only son", Henry died in the Tower during the night of 21 May 1471, possibly killed on the orders of King Edward IV.

You will note that 1470 is only one year out from the possible date Antares could have gone supernova. And you will also observe from the above, that the crown of England yo-yoed between the Houses of Lancaster and York between the years 1465 and 1485, when Henry VII, who was the nephew of Henry VI by marriage (Henry father, Edmund Tudor, was the half brother of Henry VI and a son of King Edward III), finally prevailed over Richard III and the House of York at the Battle of Bosworth Field (recalling here the immortal line in Shakespeare's play Richard III where the unhorsed Richard wanders the battle field desperately crying out "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse"). We should also note that Henry VII's mother Margaret Beaufort was the wife of Lord Stanley (in theory a staunch Yorkist supporter) and was herself a descendant of John of Gaunt, the founder of the House of Lancaster.

Since we must be very close now to the time of the supernova, maybe someone reading this who participates in the on-line sessions with the C's might suggest Antares to them as a candidate at the next session. They may, of course, still say "no dice" but there is no harm in asking. You can back up the question with the research set out here. Even if wrong, it is still intriguing that this new evidence for the survival of Two Princes in the Tower should come out now.​

 

[Cruiseraurora]

This supernova outburst occurred 8,000 light-years away. Are you suggesting that the Cass were wrong about 2,000?

 

[dennis]

Just a bizarre observation- a dark ride in a bright valley?

Tolbert Name Meaning, Family History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms

Read the Tolbert surname history and see the family crest, coat of arms for the English Origin. Discover the Tolbert surname history. Where did the name Tolbert come from?

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The chapelry of Salebury played an important part in the story of the family history. "In the reign of Edward II. a charter for free warren in this manor was granted to Sir Robert de Cliderhou, whose daughter occurs as owner of the manor in 1406. Isabella, her daughter, conveyed the manor in marriage to John Talbot, of Bashall. Their son was instrumental to the betrayal of Henry VI., whose apprehension is said to have occurred here, though Leland fixes the scene in Cletherwoode. However this may be, letters-patent were granted to him by Edward IV. for a pension of twenty marks out of the duchy revenues. In this odious service, Sir James Haryngton was the principal actor, and the Talbots his subordinate agents.

Curse at Alton Manor - Wikipedia

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For the 2008 and 2009 Halloween 'Scarefest' event, the ride opened as "Duel: Live!" featuring several live actors around the ride.[8] Guests waited at the door, before being let in by a maid or a butler. Inside, the laser guns and targets were switched off and the music replaced with a more haunting soundtrack. In 2008, Duel ran as normal during the morning and afternoon before becoming to Duel Live after 3:00PM, but ran all day in 2009. In 2010, the overlay was renamed "Skelvin's Haunted Adventure", themed to the park's Halloween mascot 'Skelvin', and the ride soundtrack was replaced by the Beetlejuice title music.

The theme park was closed on September 6, 2022, two days before QEII passed away. It was repossessed ? by a subsidiary of Blackrock by the name of Merlin Entertainments Group. The banking crisis of 2008-2009 era might be noteworthy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_Towers.

 

[MJF]

Just a bizarre observation- a dark ride in a bright valley?

Tolbert Name Meaning, Family History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms

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The theme park was closed on September 6, 2022, two days before QEII passed away. It was repossessed ? by a subsidiary of Blackrock by the name of Merlin Entertainments Group. The banking crisis of 2008-2009 era might be noteworthy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_Towers.

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Well, this is very interesting. One of the purposes of this thread is to make a link between Alton Towers and Sir Francis Bacon based on what the C's said here:​

Q: Now, I notice that the Celtic name for the town of St. Albans is Verulamium, and that is where Henry Percy, son of Hotspur, was killed in battle. I also notice that Sir Francis Bacon was Lord Verulam, and he was thought to be not only a Rosicrucian, but also the author of the Shakespearean plays, as well as some of the Rosicrucian manifestos...

A: Check out Alton Towers, for clues.

Alton Towers, as a stately home and amusement park, is a fairly modern creation compared to Alton Caste (the medieval seat of the Talbot family who are the Earls of Shrewsbury) in whose grounds the house and amusement park now stand. Thus, Alton Towers itself can have little connection to Sir Francis Bacon since it was built long after his death. Nevertheless, there may be a tenuous link between one of the 19th century Earls of Shrewsbury and the Rosicrucians (a secret society which is known to have practised alchemy of which Sir Francis Bacon may have been a Grand Master), since I suspect he may have been a 19th century Rosicrucian who carried on what appears to have been secret alchemical operations within a concealed room in Alton Towers (only recently rediscovered), a building which also has an interesting eight-sided tower room, something which can be readily linked to the architecture of Knights Templar chapels - see earlier posts on this thread for more on this.

Lady AletheaTalbot

Although there can be no direct links between Sir Francis Bacon (who is suspected of being the real Shakespeare and the author of the Rosicrucian Manifestos) and Alton Towers there are certainly strong links between him and the Talbot family. One of these links is Lady Alethea Talbot, the youngest daughter of Gilbert Talbot, 7th Earl of Shrewsbury, since Sir Francis enjoyed a close relationship both to Lady Alethea and her husband Thomas Howard and even supposedly died at their London town house, Highgate House (if he really did die?). Thomas Howard was the 21st Earl of Arundel and was the grandson of Thomas Howard, the Duke of Norfolk, who was the brother-in-law of Thomas Boleyn, the father of Queen Anne Boleyn. It was Thomas Howard, the Duke of Norfolk, who arrested his niece by marriage and would sit in judgment over her at her trial. That must have made for awkward family dealings.

Alethea's sister, Mary Talbot, married William Herbert, 3rd Earl of Pembroke and her other sister, Elizabeth, married Henry Grey, 8th Earl of Kent. Hence, we see a Talbot marrying into the Grey family who had been linked with the attempt to put Lady Jane Grey on the throne in place of Mary Tudor. It is also interesting that Henry Percy, after ending his relationship with Anne Boleyn, entered into a loveless marriage with another Talbot, Lady Mary Talbot, the daughter of George Talbot, the 4th Earl of Shrewsbury.

One of Anne Boleyn's titles was Marquess of Pembroke. The extinct title of Earl of Pembroke had been very significant for the House of Tudor. It was held by Henry VIII's grand-uncle, Jasper Tudor, and it referred to the birthplace of King Henry VIII. Henry VIII decided to raise his lover Anne to the dignity of a marquess prior to finally marrying her. He therefore chose to grant her the Marquessate of Pembroke. So it is interesting that a Talbot should subsequently become the Countess of Pembroke a few generations later.

Lady Eleanor Talbot

However, the Talbots also had a significant involvement in the War of the Roses and with the incarceration of the Two Princes in the Tower through the personage of Lady Eleanor Talbot, the daughter of John Talbot, the 1st Earl of Shrewsbury. There was a disputed claim that she may have had a precontract marriage with Edward IV, King Richard III's older brother. This precontract marriage would have ruled the young Edward V and his younger brother Richard (known to history as the Princes in the Tower) illegitimate so as to clear the way for Richard's ascent to the throne, which happened anyway when the two young princes disappeared into the fog of history (MJF: see my recent article for more on this).

Even if there was no formal precontract, it is possible that Eleanor Talbot's name was used because she was known to have been one of King Edward IV's many lovers. Robert Stillington, the Bishop of Bath and Wells, claimed that Lady Eleanor had had a legal precontract of marriage to Edward, which invalidated the king's later marriage to Elizabeth Woodville. According to the then Richard, Duke of Gloucester, this meant he, rather than his brother Edward's two sons, was the true heir to the throne paving the way for him to take the crown as Richard III. After the overthrow and death of Richard at the hands of Henry Tudor, the precontract alleged by Richard was presented as a fiction to justify Richard's usurpation of power and to cover his alleged murder of the princes. Some historians have agreed with this view. Supporters of Richard, however, have argued that the precontract was real and that it legitimised his accession to the throne. For more on Lady Eleanor Talbot, see: Lady Eleanor Talbot - Wikipedia.

Bess of Hardwick

Lady Alethea Talbot's mother was Lady Mary Cavendish whose mother was the famous and extremely wealthy Bess of Hardwick who herself had strong connections to Yorkshire where she owned a lot of property. Bess of Hardwick would marry four times, her second husband being Sir William Cavendish, Treasurer of the King's Chamber, who was Mary Cavendish's father. Bess's last husband was George Talbot, 6th Earl of Shrewsbury, who was for a time the keeper or gaoler to the captive Mary Queen of Scots*. However, her wedding was a double wedding since her daughter Mary would at the same time become the wife of George's son, Gilbert Talbot, 7th Earl of Shrewsbury. Curiously, the wedding took place at two o'clock in the morning, at the home of the Grey family, who were friends of the couple. This is the same Grey family who had sought to place their own Lady Jane Grey on the throne in order to prevent Mary Tudor from assuming the throne as her brother Edward VI's successor. The luckless, and no doubt innocent, Lady Jane had her head cut off instead for high treason. It is fascinating though how internecine the relationships were between these leading families. However, Bess of Hardwick had her own designs on the throne.

*Mary Queen of Scots is known to have once visited Old Hall Hotel in Buxton (fairly near to Alton Castle) in 1572, which had been built by George Talbot and Bess of Hardwick. I could find no trace though that Mary ever visited Alton Castle but, given its proximity to Buxton, it is not out of the question. I believe she was primarily imprisoned at Sheffield Manor Lodge and Sheffield Castle, both owned by George Talbot.

In 1574 she arranged a marriage between one of her daughters and the son of the Countess of Lennox. This was a significant match for Bess because the Countess of Lennox was Margaret Douglas, a member of the royal family, being the daughter of Margaret Tudor, Queen Dowager of Scotland and sister of Henry VIII, and therefore, also Queen Elizabeth's first cousin.

In this match, the bride was Bess's daughter, Elizabeth Cavendish (Mary's sister), and the groom was Charles Stuart, who was himself also the first cousin of Mary Queen of Scots, (through their grandmother, the same Margaret Tudor). The groom was also the younger brother of Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley who had been married to Mary until his death. This marriage, therefore, enabled a claim to the throne for any of Bess's grandchildren born of the marriage.

The marriage ceremony took place without the knowledge of the Earl of Shrewsbury, who, though well aware of the suggested match some time prior to this event, declined to accept any responsibility. Due to the Lennox family's claim to the throne, the marriage was considered potentially treasonable, since Queen Elizabeth's consent had not been obtained.

The Countess of Lennox, mother of the bridegroom, went to the Tower for several months, and Bess was ordered to London to face an official inquiry, but she ignored the summons, and remained in Sheffield in Yorkshire until the row died down. The child of the marriage was Arbella Stuart, who had a claim to the thrones of Scotland and England as the second cousin to King James VI of Scotland (later King James I of England), through their great-grandmother, Margaret Tudor. During most of her childhood Arbella would live in the protective isolation of Hardwick Hall in Derbyshire with her grandmother Bess. As it turned out, Arbella's royal claim was never recognized. Ironically, Bess of Hardwick would finally see her dream of getting one of her descendants on the throne through the late Queen Elizabeth II who was Bess's descendant through the dukes of Portland, in whose family was Elizabeth II's maternal grandmother, Cecilia Cavendish-Bentinck.

However, the Countess of Lennox was not the only member of the nobility and Arbella's family to be sent to the Tower a a result of a clandestine marriage, as Lady Mary Cavendish (Bess's daughter) would also be sent there after her niece eloped with William Seymour without obtaining the King's prior consent. Although her family was Anglican (Protestant), Mary had converted to Catholicism as an adult. This may have been one of the reasons why she gave financial assistance to her niece Arbella Stuart, who was a cousin to King James, in 1610, with the knowledge that the latter was planning to elope to the Continent with her cousin William Seymour. This clandestine marriage was certain to have enraged King James, since William, like Arbella, had a respectable claim to the Throne (by most reckonings she was fourth in line to the Throne and he was sixth in line). Arbella and Seymour tried to escape to France by ship in 1611. For this, Mary would be imprisoned in the Tower of London.

This is where Sir Francis Bacon enters the picture since Sir Francis became involved in a legal capacity in the subsequent trial of Mary Cavendish, George Talbot's (the 6th Earl of Shrewsbury) step daughter and daughter-in-law, someone who Bacon had greatly admired, as he also did George's granddaughter Lady Alethea Talbot. As a measure of the esteem Sir Francis held Mary in, he once remarked that while Lord Shrewsbury was a "great person", there was "a greater than he, which is my Lady of Shrewsbury".

Mary was tried for her role in the elopement, and was heavily fined, but not released. Later, Arbella accused Mary of being involved in a Catholic plot. One of Arbella's biographers remarks that Mary's motives in aiding Arbella are very difficult to understand: even allowing that Mary was a Catholic, and fond of her niece, she was certainly intelligent enough to understand the dire consequences for herself. Perhaps she relied on her husband's influence to save her from the Tower. Like her mother, Bess of Hardwick, she was one of the few women of the time who was used to getting her own way.

The chances were that Mary really was involved in a Catholic plot to place a Catholic Stuart upon the throne in place of James I. Readers of this thread will recall that this was not the first time Catholic plotters had sought to place a Stuart female on the throne, since the Gunpowder Plotters (perhaps in close association to Bacon's fellow Rosicrucians) had in 1605 tried to assassinate James and replace him with his daughter Princess Elizabeth Stuart under a regency (N.B. reflecting yet again the C's comment about a "struggle out of sequence with pre-ordained activities of Royal Blood Lines"). Indeed, Arbella had also figured in such a plot when in November 1603 those involved in what is called the Main Plot (that would implicate Sir Walter Raleigh) were said to have conspired to overthrow King James and put Arbella on the throne. Arbella had been invited to participate and agree in writing to Phillip III of Spain, however, she immediately reported the invitation to the king. Nor would it end there as at the end of 1609, Arbella was in trouble once again for her alleged involvement with an imposter, the "Prince of Moldavia" and other actions deemed suspicious, but she was forgiven by the King.

Arbella, who was fourth in line to the English throne, as we saw above, would get into trouble yet again in 1610 for planning to marry William Seymour, who was then known as Lord Beauchamp, who later succeeded as 2nd Duke of Somerset. Lord Beauchamp was sixth-in-line to the throne and was a grandson of Lady Katherine Grey, a younger sister of Lady Jane Grey and a granddaughter of Mary Tudor, the younger sister of King Henry VIII and Arbella's ancestor, Margaret Tudor. Under the circumstances, the King naturally wondered whether the marriage was the prelude to an attempt to seize the Crown itself.

In 1615, Mary Cavendish was released from the Tower, partly in recognition of her role in detecting the murder of Sir Thomas Overbury, and partly because her husband was very ill. In 1618, she was called to give evidence in the course of an inquiry into the rumours that her niece Arbella had secretly given birth to a child. Mary refused to testify, saying she had sworn a binding oath not to, and was returned to the Tower, where she would remain until 1623. Mary was deeply distressed by Arbella's early death, especially since she had been assured that Arbella was on the road to recovery. In her final days as a prisoner in the Tower of London, Arbella Seymour (using her married name) had refused to eat, fell ill, and then died on 25 September 1615 as yet one more victim of the dynastic struggles that had been going on in England from the late 15th century.

Shakespeare and the Earl of Shrewsbury

As to links with Shakespeare (Sir Francis Bacon?), the Earl of Shrewsbury and Alton Towers (Alton Castle) would figure largely in his play Henry VI. Quoting from an earlier post by Voyageur on this thread:
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This Earl of Shrewsbury, who so conspicuously figures in Shakespeare’s Henry VI., enjoyed, among his other titles, that of “Lord Verdon of Alton”—a title which continued in the family, the Alton estates having now for nearly five centuries uninterruptedly belonged to them.

The titles of this great Earl of Shrewsbury are thus set forth by Shakespeare, when Sir William Lucy, seeking the Dauphin’s tent, to learn what prisoners have been taken, and to “survey the bodies of the dead,” demands—

“Where is the great Alcides of the field,
Valiant Lord Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury?
Created, for his rare success in arms,
Great Earl of Washford, Waterford, and Valence
Lord Talbot of Goodrig and Urchinfield,
Lord Strange, of Blackmere, Lord Verdun of Alton,
Lord Cromwell of Wingfield, Lord Furnival of Sheffield,
The thrice victorious Lord of Falconbridge;
Knight of the noble order of Saint George,
Worthy Saint Michael, and the Golden Fleece;
Great Mareshal to Henry the Sixth
Of all his wars within the realm of France.”

To which, it will be remembered, La Pucelle contemptuously replies—

“Here is a silly stately style indeed!
The Turk, that two-and-fifty kingdoms hath—
Writes not so tedious a style as this—
Him that thou magnifiest with all these titles,
Stinking and fly-blown, lies here at our feet.”

Finally, I must say that I am a bit disturbed to learn that Alton Towers has been bought by a subsidiary of Blackrock by the name of Merlin Entertainments Group. The name "Merlin" has links, of course, with the Arthurian tales. However, Alton Towers is located in the county of Staffordshire, which I have learned has its own Dark Age mysteries involving Celtic warrior queens, which may possibly have involved the real Merlin, Excalibur and the famous Arthurian knight, Sir Gawain. But that is another story.​

 

[MJF]

This supernova outburst occurred 8,000 light-years away. Are you suggesting that the Cass were wrong about 2,000?

Why do you claim the supernova outburst was 8,000 light years away?

 

[MJF]

The Titian is worth noting, especially when you consider that he seems to be the origin [or at least a predecessor] of this whole "I hide occult references in paintings with a mythological theme that I paint for the aristocracy" thing.

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I see 'knees' and a goat trying to climb a broken tree of life. Or is it a stag ... a hind maybe?
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You make some very interesting observations here. Mind you Leonardo da Vinci may have beaten Titian to it as an artist who hid occulted mysteries within his paintings (recall earlier posts on this thread).

As to whether it is a goat or a stag/hind climbing the tree, I think it is a hind. This imagery may create a possible link to the White Goddess (the Mother Goddess and thus the Grail) as she was often depicted as a white stag or hind. Robert Graves in his book The White Goddess makes a lot of the significance of the stag or roebuck to the ancient Celts stating that:
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"The theft of the Dog and the Roebuck from the Underworld by Amathaon supports the Irish view that the Children of Danu came from Greece in the middle of the second millenium BC, since there are several analogous Greek legends of Bronze Age origin."

He then cites as one example of these legends that of Hercules, the oak hero, who was ordered by his task master Eurystheus of Mycenae to steal the dog Cerberus from the King of the Underworld, and the brass shod white roebuck from the Grove of the Goddess Artemis at Ceryneia in Arcadia.

This is very interesting since I have learned that Princess Meritaten, who lived in the middle of the second millennium BC, may through her father Akhenaten have been related to the Kings of Mycenae and she may have stopped off there for a while after her escape with the Children of Danu (the Tuatha de Danaan - the 'dragon slayers') from the plague ravaged Middle East before journeying on via North Africa to Western Europe. It would never have occurred to Graves that these Greek legends may have had a Celtic origin that in fact flowed the other way to Homeric Greece via the displacement of the western Celts by some, as yet unknown, widespread cataclysm. However, Prince Meritaten is in my view closely associated with the Grail, which may be symbolised by the White Roebuck and therefore with the White Goddess. As for hunting after the White Roebuck or the Grail, Graves goes on to say:

"As for the White Roebuck, how many kings in how many fairy tales have not chased this beast through enchanted forests and been cheated of their quarry? The Roebuck's poetic meaning is 'Hide the Secret' [MJF is this what Titian was doing and that secret was the whereabouts of the Grail?]. So it seems the that in the Cad Goddeu story elements of a Hercules myth, which in Greek legend describes how the Achaeans of Mycenae captured the most important shrines in the Peloponnese from some other Greek tribe, probably the Danaans, are used to describe a similar capture in Britain many centuries later."

However, it is more likely in my view that the Greek legend was based on an earlier Celtic legend when the Danaans (based most likely in today's Brittany) were close allies of the British Trojans. To the British Trojans, the most important shrine would have been that at Stonehenge. Indeed, Graves is aware of this himself since he believes that if the Cad Goddeu concerns the capture of the national necropolis on Salisbury Plain (i.e., Stonehenge) from its former holders, this is most likely to have happened during either the first or the second Belgic invasion (which he places in 400 BC and 50 BC respectively). Graves plumps for the later date with a Brythonic tribe who worshipped Woden replacing the long established Celtic god Bran. But could Graves have dated this seizure of Stonehenge, as recorded in the Cad Goddeu wrongly? Could the ancient story have told of an earlier seizure of Stonehenge by the Achaeans, whose allies included the Arcadians, during the Trojan War in Britain in the Bronze Age?

We should bear in mind here that Graves also tells us that the imagery of the Roebuck hiding in a thicket was originally that of a White Hind, which he links with the Wild Apple.

It is curious that you mention that you think it may be a goat or stag/hind that may be trying to climb the dead tree. Graves tells us that in the Dionysian Mysteries, the hirco-cervus, goat-stag, was the symbol of resurrection [MJF: as is the Grail], of man's hope for immortality and he states that when the Hyperborean Druids visited Thessaly they recognised the goat-stag, associated with apples, as their own immortal white hart or hind, which was also associated with apples [MJF: could these have been the Blue Apples the C's have referred to I wonder?]. Graves goes on to state "For the apple tree, ut dicitur, is the shelter of the white hind." He claims that it is from the goat-stag that the unicorn of heraldry and of medieval art derives its occasional beard. He states that in Britain and France, the white hart or hind was not ousted by the unicorn as it persisted in popular tradition and figured in the medieval romances as an emblem of mystery.

That being said, the deer does not look very white in the painting but then we know the painting has darkened considerably since it was first exhibited. I also note that the woman's left knee is clearly pointing directly at the deer, and no doubt it was painted this way deliberately perhaps to signify something.

As to the sacred relevance of the stag to the Celts, Kathy Jones in her book The Ancient British Goddess has this to say:
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The early God was associated with hunting and the animals and like the Goddess also took His forms from the animal world. Shamans identified with the God’s power, dressing in feathers, horns and animal skins. This was part of an ancient tradition and some cave paintings show men wearing animal skins, heads and horns.

The early Gods were often horned animals – the Sacred Bull, Ram, Goat, Elk, Buffalo and Bison. There was the Stag God Kernunnos represented on the Gundestrop Cauldron with stag horns on his head. He is consort to the Grain Goddess Ker [Car], who is also a Horned One. Horns are magical antennae connecting the head to the stars. As image they represent both divine Masculine potency and the fallopian tubes and womb of the Goddess.