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[vinny]

Returning to 'Love'.

I don't see the Cassiopaeans extolling the significance and sheer 'everythingness' that matters, about 'Love'.

That concerns me. It should concern you too.

Love is intimately connected to 'objective truth'. And that is exactly what the C's are about (in my humble opinion) - they are an integral part of Laura's quest for (and love of) the ideal of objective truth and knowledge, which potentially allows one to learn to see, to acknowledge and to 'love' reality for what it really is, in all it's facets, rather than the indulgent false love of our own illusory 'personal requirements' or false expectations of reality.

This act of act of striving for objectivity without regard for how painful that jouney may be to oneself, is an act of love for all creation.

 

[Hesper]

The work carries on. You either contribute to the work, or you don't. Remember, they also serve, who stand and wait. The hardest task of all, is not to act, when not acting is the best course.

I don't see the Cassiopaeans extolling the significance and sheer 'everythingness' that matters, about 'Love'.

That concerns me. It should concern you too.

If you do contribute, great, if not get out of the way, it's obviously not your time, and there's no harm in that, no harm at all.

Ogri seems to have just walked into the meeting room where interested seekers are sharing their concerns, told everyone to be suspicious, and then said that not participating is actually the right thing to do. Then he or she bolts into the night. I don't want to leap to conclusions but what an interruption in a very insightful thread!

Again thanks everyone for your observations on the predator's mind playing tricks on you! It makes it easier to know that even the forum veterans have had that lesson to learn. That has been my core problem here. If I feel I don't have anything to say I don't say anything. And when I don't say anything I always end up on the fence. Anyway have a good day!

 

[hnd]

I felt I may have done something wrong in my previous post by reflecting what I have in mind taking Ogri seriously. The way he expressed himself/herself was improper and obviously he wasn't here to learn, but his/her opinion about love was my question in the past and I couldn't help writing about it. It is ironic that although s/he talks about love, the language s/he uses lacks it because he doesn't try to or can't understand Cassiopaeans and he seems to be irritated by something. The language Hespen uses lacks it because he is irritated with the way Ogri expresses himself/herself and his unkind behaviour and maybe with me because of my foolish post. I tried to understand Ogri thinking about the reasons that made him/her writing that,I can understand partly, I understand Hespen,what makes him give this reaction with lots of exclamation marks,and he is right, but both posts makes me feel tense because of what they lack for this reason or other. I don't want to sound new agey or like a dreamer, but I imagine the world would be a different place if people could see the beauty of creation in themselves, in other people and in their surrounding. Many problems arise because people can't love, can't understand and can't tolerate each other, they hurt themselves, hurt others and damage things and that's why I see Ra's or some Sufi teachings' emphasis on love important. I can't say I am good at expressing myself,so I hope I'm understood.

 

[Hesper]

Hi hnd

The way he expressed himself/herself was improper and obviously he wasn't here to learn, but his/her opinion about love was my question in the past and I couldn't help writing about it. It is ironic that although s/he talks about love, the language s/he uses lacks it because he doesn't try to or can't understand Cassiopaeans and he seems to be irritated by something. The language Hespen uses lacks it because he is irritated with the way Ogri expresses himself/herself and his unkind behaviour and maybe with me because of my foolish post.

I didn't mean to seem offensive to you and I really didn't think that your post was "foolish" in that it took Ogri seriously. I didn't take Ogri seriously but I didn't want to leap to conclusions about why Ogri was posting, just wanted to state what I had seen happen. Are you feeling like you were made to look like a fool by investing time into someone who might not care what you think? This is, of course, assuming Ogri just came in to make a noise and leave. Well in my opinion if Ogri did want to learn then he/she would find the assistance you provided very gratifying and welcoming. However, if that's not the case then this is still a lesson for the both of us. A little more external consideration would be best on my part :)

I tried to understand Ogri thinking about the reasons that made him/her writing that,I can understand partly, I understand Hespen,what makes him give this reaction with lots of exclamation marks,and he is right, but both posts makes me feel tense because of what they lack for this reason or other. I don't want to sound new agey or like a dreamer, but I imagine the world would be a different place if people could see the beauty of creation in themselves

The exclamation points are just my subjective style, I'm a very emotion-heavy person, and did not mean to come off as super-irritated or angry. I was hoping to come off as amused. I believe you're right about seeing the beauty of creation in people and I think I know what you felt was lacking in my post. I have become very cynical over the course of my life and your "new agey" point of view is really refreshing. It's human and there's nothing wrong with wanting people to appreciate each other imo but in this situation I didn't see much appreciation coming from Ogri and I reacted to that. Sorry for the confusion hnd and thank you for holding the mirror up to my post. I think I understand. :D

 

[salleles]

Ogri just made my day.

Taking the time to register, and the very first post ending with: 'please delete this account'. Priceless!

 

[truth seeker]

I felt I may have done something wrong in my previous post by reflecting what I have in mind taking Ogri seriously. The way he expressed himself/herself was improper and obviously he wasn't here to learn, but his/her opinion about love was my question in the past and I couldn't help writing about it. It is ironic that although s/he talks about love, the language s/he uses lacks it because he doesn't try to or can't understand Cassiopaeans and he seems to be irritated by something. The language Hespen uses lacks it because he is irritated with the way Ogri expresses himself/herself and his unkind behaviour and maybe with me because of my foolish post. I tried to understand Ogri thinking about the reasons that made him/her writing that,I can understand partly, I understand Hespen,what makes him give this reaction with lots of exclamation marks,and he is right, but both posts makes me feel tense because of what they lack for this reason or other. I don't want to sound new agey or like a dreamer, but I imagine the world would be a different place if people could see the beauty of creation in themselves, in other people and in their surrounding. Many problems arise because people can't love, can't understand and can't tolerate each other, they hurt themselves, hurt others and damage things and that's why I see Ra's or some Sufi teachings' emphasis on love important. I can't say I am good at expressing myself,so I hope I'm understood.

Hey hnd,

I think I understand what you said. When I read ogri's post, to me it "felt" (subjective) angry, hurt, disillusioned and sad. While love can reflect itself as tolerance, we may find ourselves walking the line of tolerating and putting up with in my opinion. I think love has many faces. Many people confuse love with being nice. If only that were the case! I think that's what the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" means. Many people want to be nice so they're thought of by others as being a good person and unfortunately tolerate the behavior of others who would take advantage of that quality.

For the record, I see nothing inappropriate in either yours or hespen's post. Your post was attempting to understand where ogri was coming from. Hespen's post reflected annoyance at what could be considered a disruptive post. Both are valid.

Unfortunately it's difficult to discern clearly what was in ogri's mind when he/she wrote their post. It was their only post and unfortunately there are no others in which to provide context.

Ogri has taken the first post written in this thread as a form of bullying. He/she seems to feel threatened by it. Threatened enough so that it drove them to finally post where I'm assuming they were lurking beforehand for who knows how long. I question whether or not they actually read the entire thread otherwise I think they would have a better understanding of the discussion.

In short, their program(s) were triggered. There's some sacred cow that they're holding onto and it's a shame that they let go of an opportunity to come to an understanding of not only what is going on inside of them, but also to get their questions answered.

This brings me to why someone chooses their first post to say that this will be their last. If I'm understanding ogri's profile correctly, it looks as though they signed up simply to post this message. Is it a cry for help or attention? Only ogri can answer this. My opinion is that it is a cry for attention because ogri can remove his or herself from the forum if they choose to. Ogri doesn't need someone to do it for them. Ogri wants someone to take the responsibility of removing them from the forum so that they are then justified in their illusion that life happens to ogri and ogri has no control over it. Either that, or ogri is trolling.

What I'm saying may sound harsh, but I have no anger as I'm posting this. I'm simply letting ogri know the truth of the matter. Me taking the time to write this post when I could easily ignore it is one of the many faces of love (in my opinion). So ogri, if your reading this (and I suspect you are), this is one of many places where love resides.

To me, one act of love is taking an action for your own betterment. This is a form of self love (not to be confused with selfishness or internal considering). One has to have the desire to do the work of pushing against one's programs of unworthiness (self hatred). If we cannot do this or are unwilling to, how can we then get to the place where we can truly love another?

 

[hnd]

Are you feeling like you were made to look like a fool by investing time into someone who might not care what you think? This is, of course, assuming Ogri just came in to make a noise and leave. Well in my opinion if Ogri did want to learn then he/she would find the assistance you provided very gratifying and welcoming. However, if that's not the case then this is still a lesson for the both of us. A little more external consideration would be best on my part :)

For the record, I see nothing inappropriate in either yours or hespen's post. Your post was attempting to understand where ogri was coming from. Hespen's post reflected annoyance at what could be considered a disruptive post. Both are valid.

I thought it was unnecessary to answer Ogri in that way after I read Hespen's post, after all Ogri doesn't seem to be asking for an answer,but as truthseeker pointed out I tried to understand him/her.Still, it was a lesson for me, I wasn't sure what I did was right and thus,I was a little offended by hespen's reaction,and that was unnecessary.

I didn't see much appreciation coming from Ogri and I reacted to that. Sorry for the confusion hnd and thank you for holding the mirror up to my post. I think I understand. :D

And, now I understand you better: )

While love can reflect itself as tolerance, we may find ourselves walking the line of tolerating and putting up with in my opinion. I think love has many faces. Many people confuse love with being nice. If only that were the case! I think that's what the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" means. Many people want to be nice so they're thought of by others as being a good person and unfortunately tolerate the behavior of others who would take advantage of that quality.

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What I'm saying may sound harsh, but I have no anger as I'm posting this. I'm simply letting ogri know the truth of the matter. Me taking the time to write this post when I could easily ignore it is one of the many faces of love (in my opinion). So ogri, if your reading this (and I suspect you are), this is one of many places where love resides.

To me, one act of love is taking an action for your own betterment. This is a form of self love (not to be confused with selfishness or internal considering). One has to have the desire to do the work of pushing against one's programs of unworthiness (self hatred). If we cannot do this or are unwilling to, how can we then get to the place where we can truly love another?

That's a very good observation and I'll never forget it,truthseeker.

I thank you both for all I learnt from you. And I want to note something about lurking since this thread is about overcoming the predator's mind, posting and sharing and learning together. I hope Ogri or whoever has similar thoughts are reading this because there is a lot to learn from all these.

 

[un chien anadolu]

Returning to 'Love'.

I don't see the Cassiopaeans extolling the significance and sheer 'everythingness' that matters, about 'Love'.

That concerns me. It should concern you too.

Love is intimately connected to 'objective truth'. And that is exactly what the C's are about (in my humble opinion) - they are an integral part of Laura's quest for (and love of) the ideal of objective truth and knowledge, which potentially allows one to learn to see, to acknowledge and to 'love' reality for what it really is, in all it's facets, rather than the indulgent false love of our own illusory 'personal requirements' or false expectations of reality.

This act of act of striving for objectivity without regard for how painful that jouney may be to oneself, is an act of love for all creation.

Also in other words : You are not able to love something/someone sincerely without knowing what you are trying to love. And knowing is achieved only through learning.
When I first saw Ogri's post and also abstract's post about the message he got in his youtube account I thought one more time that establishment of FOTCM and lately networking about the material on facebook are proper acts so that Cosmic COINTELPRO got into the action through their trolls.

The sad thing is these kind of persons mostly use Ra material for their point of support without correctly understanding it.

 

[Laura]

I just managed to read through this thread and think it is amazing to see how everyone is helping one another and growing, and even having a good time when the paralysis caused by programs finally abates.

Cumulus, I think it was you, telling the story about applying to casschat... was that casschat or the cassgroup? Two very different things. If the former, the way "KS" handled it was entirely inappropriate (KS - if it is who I think it is - is no longer with us). If it was the cass group, well, that was early QFS and, yeah, we were REALLY picky about who was admitted because Vincent Bridges, his pal Stormbear, and several others, had gone to GREAT lengths to create online personas to try to get in the group just so they could arrive and start spewing obscenities and filth. This sort of thing happened often enough that we were raising the bar so that it would wear them out in case it was another of their ruses. So, don't be too hard on KS if that was the case.

If you know the history from our side, from what the early cass group went through with those psychopaths, you'll surely understand. But you have to get out of your shoes - where you know who you are and that you are okay and think everyone else should know this - and get into our shoes, where we don't know you from Adam and have been lied to repeatedly by people who write and act just like you do because psychopaths are so easily able to mimic normal people!

As for Ogri... yeah, that was interesting. I sort of recognize the style. I have the feeling I know who it is behind THAT disguise that is not much of a disguise. In this case, it is an individual who came along with a Mask of Sanity and quickly showed that there was little but predatory hunger and rage underneath. He was sent on his way. But, as you know, the psychopath denies that anyone he has targeted has the right to NOT associate with him (i.e. be food), so there are those sorts out there who have targeted ME and you all bear the brunt of it. I'm sorry for that.

Also, be aware that there are members of cass/QFS/forum who have been through all of the same things right beside me and know the whole history, and have scars from it, who feel very protective toward me/QFS/forum. This was helpful when I was sick and laid up in the hospital, but I'm better now and less vulnerable. Be sure that if any one of you is sick and laid up, this forum will protect you as well, if it is necessary and possible!

Finally: yes, we have been learning that we can be welcoming and still protect ourselves and each other and that has produced a change in the atmosphere of the forum. The previous couple of years were times of intense attack, illness, legal issues, and so on. As they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And with strength, there should be gentleness. Or so I think.

 

[Leo40]

This thread brought me to consider the roots of my boardlurking.

I When i grew up a little i understood that it made us second class citizens, someone to look down upon. A single mother was some kind of defective female in a country, where woman's worth was and i think still is depending on having a man.

This brought back some painful memories. When entering a new school after moving from then East Germany to the West,
I was asked in front of the class to give personal information: mother's name, father's name etc. and I said: my mother is divorced. That was very painful for a 7 year old child. I just mention this to let you know you are not alone.

 

[Laura]

This thread brought me to consider the roots of my boardlurking.

I When i grew up a little i understood that it made us second class citizens, someone to look down upon. A single mother was some kind of defective female in a country, where woman's worth was and i think still is depending on having a man.

This brought back some painful memories. When entering a new school after moving from then East Germany to the West,
I was asked in front of the class to give personal information: mother's name, father's name etc. and I said: my mother is divorced. That was very painful for a 7 year old child. I just mention this to let you know you are not alone.

Join the club! Been there, done that, got the tee shirt and a prize!

 

[Cumulus]

Thank you Laura, that bit of perspective helps a lot. A few adroit psychopaths can destroy a group, online or in realspace, incredibly quickly. I have seen it happen online, for that matter I've watched it happening in U.S. society over the past half century. It's maddening.

I completely understand the strong protective reaction; it makes total sense. Thank you.

 

[truth seeker]

By the way cumulus, it's nice to see you posting more.

 

[sitta]

This brought back some painful memories. When entering a new school after moving from then East Germany to the West,
I was asked in front of the class to give personal information: mother's name, father's name etc. and I said: my mother is divorced. That was very painful for a 7 year old child. I just mention this to let you know you are not alone.

Join the club! Been there, done that, got the tee shirt and a prize!

Thank you very much It is greatly appreciated.
It helps to know that i'm not alone in this. This knowledge gives me oh so needed kick to the behind sometimes :P.
There is no excuse for self pity, and it's tendencies to rear its ugly head when least expected.

 

[Rhys]

I'm currently attempting to drag myself out of the unpromising "boardlurker" rut.. I also wasted quite a bit of time thinking about how I was going to start writing this post, instead of just going for it. I've realised recently that my excuses for not posting (e.g. "this has been said before" or "I'll just be disrupting this thread with noise") really stem from my negative introject, telling me that I'm useless and all that goes with it. It took a few EE sessions to open my eyes enough to notice it so clearly.

So this post is for anyone else who feels the same way as I did about posting for whatever "reason". Let's for arguement's sake say that you really ARE useless/worthless and that you think you really WOULD just add noise whenever you did decide to post - the very fact that you are here suggests that you are the type of person that wants to change and evolve past this state of mind, does it not?

Well, lucky for us, we are surrounded by very knowledgeable people that have provided the information and the tools neccessary for this evolution! If we don't post, we miss out on their great help. Even worse, we miss out on helping others do the same at a later stage. As well as that, they're a really friendly bunch too :) all you have to do is get off the fence and say "Hello!"

I'm glad I did.

It might help you to know that I used to post a long time ago, and my growth (as well as others I hope) was accelerated because I had a mirror, and support. I have still been growing in that time, but it probably wasn't as quick (or as balanced) as it could have been if only I had been truely present in this interactive School.

Let my mistake be your Lesson. At least in this way, it is still a contribution. ;)