Buffers, Programs and "the Predator's Mind"

Re: Emotions and self-observation

Thanks for sharing this! I've undertaken a somewhat similar process, it's helpful to hear experiences and methods by others. If you've got the time and interest, you could look into a book called 'The presence Process' by Michael Brown. I've found it to be very helpful in the search for the inner child. Brown recommends doing 'round breathing' too, which is why I started doing it some years ago when reading it. I've so many times meant to review this book on the forum, but haven't managed to do it yet, lazy me.

_http://www.amazon.com/Presence-Process-Healing-Journey-Awareness/dp/0825305373/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272822707&sr=8-1

Anyway, here's the authors description on Amazon (emphasis mine):

Today we all face an increasing flow of events about which we may feel we can do nothing. This is not true. It is crucial we now experientially realize we are each responsible for navigating the quality of our personal experience. This book teaches us how to embrace authentic personal responsibility. It reveals the mechanics shaping the way we feel about our life and how we manifest our experience in a manner empowering us to respond consciously to every facet of our lives. It offers a simple, practical approach to accomplishing and maintaining personal peace in the midst of accelerating change, discomfort, conflict, and chaos. Today we all face an increasing flow of events about which we may feel we can do nothing. This is not true. It is crucial we now experientially realize we are each responsible for navigating the quality of our personal experience. This book teaches us how to embrace authentic personal responsibility. It reveals the mechanics shaping the way we feel about our life and how we manifest our experience in a manner empowering us to respond consciously to every facet of our lives. It offers a simple, practical approach to accomplishing and maintaining personal peace in the midst of accelerating change, discomfort, conflict, and chaos.
 
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Thank you for sharing this process in clear and easy understandable words. I think this technique can be valuable for me, since I always had a very rich emotional life, and I know that my parents didn't know what to do with it. So I guess lots of it is suppressed. Thank you, and keep us updated with your insights! :flowers:
 
Re: Emotions and self-observation

Belibaste, I think you have an important gift of sharing from the heart with "clear and easy understandable words" (thanks, Data).

Thank you for sharing that. :flowers:
 
Re: Emotions and self-observation

Thank you Belibaste for a very useful account of your experience! Here's something I posted on the April 25th session thread, which seems to be relevant to this thread that Belibaste has started:

Maybe you can't have all of the items with which you pay in advance all at once. Maybe you can give up the entire false personality all at once. Maybe you just have to focus continually on opening yourself to being willing to pay. I think that the first step towards healing ourselves and paying in this way is to really focus on self-observation. We have to make it our single goal, and realise that there is no other goal more important. It has to be the first thing you remind yourself of when you wake up in the morning and the last thing you think about before sleep. And of course, all through the day too.

By self-observing, that is, bringing our attention back to the present moment and what's going on inside us at every opportunity, we have a much better chance of catching ourselves before an emotional reaction can overwhelm us and before the energy can be stolen by the intellect and turned into theory-making and projection and blaming everything outside of ourselves. Cursing another person or the universe or life or whatever. Self-observation can in this way help to recognise emotions before they get repressed or intellectualised.

Self-observing focuses the attention on us, on the little details of what is going through our minds at any point during the day. For sure, when we experience an emotional reaction to something, it is HARD to deal with it, and maybe even harder to express precisely how we feel. Here's the problem. If you are in the long term habit of denying your emotions, you have a problem.

That emotional energy HAS to go somewhere. If you don't use it in expressing the emotion as it is, then most often the energy gets used up by the intellect, which goes into overdrive to explain what you are feeling and what to do about it. Now remember, you deny emotions, have done so for a long time. You deny your childish feelings and what they tell you. Like, "I am scared", "I am vulnerable", "I feel like you don't love me". "I WANT MY MOMMY!" Smiley

So when the intellect uses this emotional energy to tell you what is going on, it is NOT going to tell you what you are really feeling, first because its job is to "protect" you from hurt and pain (which it has decided from past experience is what happens when you show your emotions), second, because it is not going to admit anything about you that conflicts with the 'perfect' image you have of yourself. And third because it can't really access your emotions because that is not its job.

So what happens? Your intellect uses this emotional energy, that it has effectively stolen, and it makes theories about the emotional shock you have just experienced, but remember, it cannot blame you or show you up as having any "childish" feelings etc (because it has learned that is bad!) so it projects outwards. This person is bad, that person is bad, this situation is bad, life is bad, Oh! if only....blah blah blah. Meanwhile, all that needed to happen was for the original feeling that was provoked in you to be expressed as you felt it. These feelings are buried deep. So we have to find a way to access them.

It's like having a bunch of symbols in your belly that represent the various different feelings you experienced as a child, usually as a result of trauma, and for one reason or another, you learned that they were bad and should be hidden away. So there they sit. Every now and then, someone says or does something, or something happens that creates in you a distinct echo of that original trauma-based emotion, and it lights up like a bulb and starts hopping up and down inside you.

So what should happen on such an occasion? Obviously we should re-experience the emotion and trauma, let it out and let it go. One down, a bunch to go. But what usually happens is that we cannot bear to re-experience these old feelings of hurt, so, like I said above, we have a well-built mechanism to deal with them and it basically works by projecting the feelings outside of ourselves onto people or things.

Obviously though, there are real consequences from this.

First, we spend our lives with these old feelings sitting inside of us. We don't release them, but they certainly colour our thinking and view of life because they are very much a part of us. They often remind us to be distrustful of life and people in it. That people hurt us and are generally not to be trusted with anything that could threaten our hurt inner selves and our fragile and unrealistic image of ourselves that we project outwards.

Second, every time these old feelings "light up" in response to a perceived similar dynamic as the original, we blame someone else for (deliberately, or so we believe) "making us feel that way". Imagine we had an old war wound that was painful to touch but not visible. We meet someone and they accidentally touch the wound with knowing anything about it. Then imagine that we get really angry, shout at the person or just walk off in a huff and continue to hold a grudge against them for ages and convince ourselves that they really did that on purpose.

In short, we blame other people for something that has nothing to do with them and everything to do with us. This is easy to do because that belief in the inherent untrustworthiness of life and people in it that is generated by these old emotions (or wounds) is always there. Basically, these old wounds and emotions effectively create the situation where we get apparent "evidence" that what the old wounds are telling us is in fact true! It's a circular argument to beat them all because it can govern our entire lives! The reality that we created the entire dynamic and perpetuate it ourselves is what we have to understand.

Needless to say, all of this will likely have a very bad effect on our hopes for fulfilling and loving relationships with others.

Third, we remain with a non-functioning emotional center, since it is clogged up with 'stuck' old trauma. This lack of a properly working feeling center has serious consequences not only for really connecting with other people and giving and receiving true love, but also for our ability to connect to the deeper reality we live in.

Fourth, according to Mouravieff, without three properly functioning lower centers, we cannot expect the formation of a "magnetic center" and the access to higher centers.

But we've got plenty to work on before thinking about higher centers. We can all decide today to make it our singular goal - to observe ourselves in every moment with the aim of making conscious awareness a permanent aspect of our beings. By doing this, we progressively gain control over our thinking and turn the attention inwards to rediscover our lost emotions and the broader lost world of pure emotions.
 
Re: Emotions and self-observation

Thank you Belibaste for a very useful account of your experience! Here's something I posted on the April 25th session thread, which seems to be relevant to this thread that Belibaste has started:

I've done the same and posted a copy of the initial post of this thread in the April 25th session thread :)
 
Re: Emotions and self-observation

Thanks for sharing this Bellibaste! :flowers:

I have had to go through a similar experience of dealing with my emotions in this past year.

The two biggest problems were learning how to deal with sadness and anger. Dealing with anger and acknowledging it and venting it has been the biggest challenge for me. Whenever I would express anger I would feel "uncomfortable" and "out of control", until I realized that my inability to vent or properly channel this anger made me much more out of control in every day life than I ever could be in a single moment.

There was a point a few weeks ago where I was home alone and suddenly the entire frustration of the divorce, my marriage and all that had happened to me in that time suddenly moved up from my chest into the neck. Instead of holding it off, I decided to let it out since nobody was around. I nearly destroyed my pillow and it made my vocal chords sore from screaming at the top of my lungs! After this was over, I calmed down. I realized something had changed, it was like a cloud had lifted from me. I suddenly started laughing in amazement! I couldn't believe that this is what I needed to do, that I needed to acknowledge my anger and express it! I did this same thing a couple more times over the course of a week. This felt great and now I don't feel like the anger has as much control over me as it once did. It doesn't feel like there is a monster in my chest anymore.

Again, thanks for your easy-to-understand description of this process!
 
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Thank you Belibaste for this very insightful post of your experience. It's what I needed to hear as I can relate to it in many ways. Thank you Perceval for your input as well! Very helpful!

I've also found that receiving deep bodywork can help to access and experience suppressed and repressed emotions, especially for people whose intellectual center is very dominant.
Any experience we ever had, even things that happened to us but we've forgotten about, it is still held in the body. Especially traumatic experiences that we were subjected to, be it from child abuse and issues, being attacked psychically, verbally or physically, grief, a broken relationship, emotional hurts, repression, everyday stress, etc....the body stores the experience (through chronic muscle/connective tissue tension) and does not forget until it is consciously released. Deep bodywork can help access "un-known" emotions and make them "known".

Massage and bodywork has helped me tremendously in accessing my "inner wounded child" in my life. It had such an impact that I became a bodyworker myself and I'm witnessing emotional releases with some the people I work on at times.
Recently I finished a 10-series of Rolfing for the second time in 5 years. This time around I was more aware of "the work", 4th way principles and my machine and predator, so I could use these tools/techniques (such as self-observation, understanding the different centers) while getting worked on and integrate better what was happening to me. Rolfing is deep structural work that can also result in the release of unconscious emotional memory. I had memories from childhood flashing up. There was sadness, anger and other emotions that just came up out of nowhere. In the week between the sessions more stuff seemed to come up as well. A lot of it related to my mom and dad, things that I never addressed or avoided for the same reasons as Belibaste stated .

Good bodywork is preventive medicine (flushing of toxins) and can be very therapeutic on a physical and emotional level. It works very well together with the Breathhing program I found and it certainly puts one more in touch with one's emotional center. Fwiw...

[quote author=ISOTM]A great deal of energy is also spent on work which is completely unnecessary and
harmful in every respect, such as on the activity of unpleasant emotions, on the
expression of unpleasant sensations, on worry, on restlessness, on haste, and on a
whole series of automatic actions which are completely useless. As many examples as
you like can be found of such unnecessary activity. First of all there is the constantly
moving flow of thoughts in our mind, which we can neither stop nor control, and
which takes up an enormous amount of our energy. Secondly there is the quite
unnecessary constant tension of the muscles of our organism. The muscles are tense
even when we are doing nothing. As soon as we start to do even a small and
insignificant piece of work, a whole system of muscles necessary for the hardest and
most strenuous work is immediately set in motion. We pick up a needle from the floor
and we spend on this action as much energy as is needed to lift up a man of our own
weight. We write a short letter and use as much muscular energy upon it as would
suffice to write a bulky volume. But the chief point is that we spend muscular energy
continually and at all times, even when we are doing nothing. When we walk the
muscles of our shoulders and arms are tensed unnecessarily; when we sit the muscles
of our legs, neck, back, and stomach are tensed in an unnecessary way. We even sleep
with the muscles of our arms, of our legs, of our face, of the whole of our body tensed,
and we do not realize that we spend much more energy on this continual readiness for
work we shall never do than on all the real, useful work we do during our life.
"Still further we can point to the habit of continually talking with anybody and
about anything, or if there is no one else, with ourselves; the habit of indulging in
fantasies, in daydreaming; the continual change of mood, feelings, and emotions, and
an enormous number of quite useless things which a man considers himself obliged to
feel, think, do, or say.
In order to regulate and balance the work of the three centers whose functions
constitute our life, it is necessary to learn to economize the energy produced by our
organism, not to waste this energy on unnecessary functions, and to save it for that
activity which will gradually connect the lower centers with the higher.[/quote]
 
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Belibaste said:
For years I had been self-observing, but I was only observing the observable. For years I thought I had managed to not be slave of my emotions but all I was doing was denying them, using them as fuel for emotional thinking (paranoia, fantasies, unrealistic theories...)

RyanX said:
There was a point a few weeks ago where I was home alone and suddenly the entire frustration of the divorce, my marriage and all that had happened to me in that time suddenly moved up from my chest into the neck. Instead of holding it off, I decided to let it out since nobody was around. I nearly destroyed my pillow and it made my vocal chords sore from screaming at the top of my lungs! After this was over, I calmed down. I realized something had changed, it was like a cloud had lifted from me. I suddenly started laughing in amazement! I couldn't believe that this is what I needed to do, that I needed to acknowledge my anger and express it! I did this same thing a couple more times over the course of a week. This felt great and now I don't feel like the anger has as much control over me as it once did. It doesn't feel like there is a monster in my chest anymore.

Belibaste accurately describes the intellectual center usurping the energy of the emotional or feeling center. Ryan, you perfectly describe the wrong use of the emotional center by the motor instinctive center. The misallocation or misdirection of the feeling center energy by physically burning up the energy of the feeling center is a commonly accepted method of denying the proper place of feeling in perception and interaction with reality.

We do this by yelling, over excercise, sex, over work, etc., however, the relief of avoiding the true feeling experience of our lives and reality is short lived. We must preform the same ritual over and over in our dream to avoid suffering. Intentional suffering is paying in advance to live with a fully functioning feeling center designed by millions of years of evolution. The price is observing and experiencing the feeling of anger, fear, joy, empathy, etc. without comment from the mind or diversion of the full energy of the feeling experience into physical expression, although expression of this energy seems a necessary outlet until being is strenghtened enough to fully feel life.

Many people repress emotion and the body dissipates the mobilized energy either through unusual activity or by disease such as cancer. We have heard that the "good die young"; well yes, their tissues degenerate when the energy of emotion is used by the physical center in a disease process, rather than the energy being burned in excess behaviors like drinking, drama, and sports competion. Some misallocations of emotional energy are socially accepted and useful in channeling human energy up the pyramid of STS energy concentration and keeping us in a torpor.

All this being said, venting probably does have a place in modulating the process of self discovery, sort of like a petcock valve on a pressure cooker. Perceval posted a remarkablely clear description above, of this "dynamic and our perpetuation of it", which prevents our becoming "responsible three brained beings" as Mr. Gurdjieff wished for his grandchildren.
 
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go2 said:
Belibaste said:
For years I had been self-observing, but I was only observing the observable. For years I thought I had managed to not be slave of my emotions but all I was doing was denying them, using them as fuel for emotional thinking (paranoia, fantasies, unrealistic theories...)

RyanX said:
There was a point a few weeks ago where I was home alone and suddenly the entire frustration of the divorce, my marriage and all that had happened to me in that time suddenly moved up from my chest into the neck. Instead of holding it off, I decided to let it out since nobody was around. I nearly destroyed my pillow and it made my vocal chords sore from screaming at the top of my lungs! After this was over, I calmed down. I realized something had changed, it was like a cloud had lifted from me. I suddenly started laughing in amazement! I couldn't believe that this is what I needed to do, that I needed to acknowledge my anger and express it! I did this same thing a couple more times over the course of a week. This felt great and now I don't feel like the anger has as much control over me as it once did. It doesn't feel like there is a monster in my chest anymore.

Belibaste accurately describes the intellectual center usurping the energy of the emotional or feeling center. Ryan, you perfectly describe the wrong use of the emotional center by the motor instinctive center. The misallocation or misdirection of the feeling center energy by physically burning up the energy of the feeling center is a commonly accepted method of denying the proper place of feeling in perception and interaction with reality.

...

All this being said, venting probably does have a place in modulating the process of self discovery, sort of like a petcock valve on a pressure cooker. Perceval posted a remarkablely clear description above, of this "dynamic and our perpetuation of it", which prevents our becoming "responsible three brained beings" as Mr. Gurdjieff wished for his grandchildren.

go2,

Thanks for reminding me of this. I recall this was the main point in the Depression as a Stepping Stone post too.

This has actually been a major source of confusion for me in trying to understand how to deal with emotions. I noticed that when began to understand the Work, I would try to observe my emotions. Over time I found that I wasn't really observing them, I was just thinking about them and eventually my thinking center would set everything straight and the emotion I was feeling at the time was never properly expressed. In other words, I was just tricking myself. This is similar to what Belibaste describes. I've suppressed my emotions for as long as I can remember, so this was really no change for me.

It wasn't until I learned to just let go of those blocked emotions and express them, sometimes in dramatic ways (although in a safe setting), that I was able to reconnect my lost feelings to certain events and decisions in my life. I started to see how all my bad decisions had piled up and brought me to where I am today.

This was the situation I described above with the release of anger. It felt like a summation of a lot of different feelings of anger and frustration that have built up for the last 15 years or so. It became apparent that I never properly expressed these at the time and each time this added another brick to the wall that I've been trying to figure out how to dismantle. I could see how this was leading me down the path of destruction. So, while my moving center usurped energy from my emotional center in this moment, it seemed better than maintaining my current state by holding everything in - if that makes sense. I considered it a victory that I could see these connections prior to the release, even though the emotional energy was ultimately wasted. Maybe that is the wrong way to view it though?

So, I am likely confused here, but my understanding was that as negative emotions come up from new circumstances in life, one should observe these at the moment, keep them below the neck, but find a way to use this energy in a creative way rather than an entropic way. But is this the same way one should handle suppressed or blocked emotions from past trauma or wounding too?
 
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RyanX said:
So, I am likely confused here, but my understanding was that as negative emotions come up from new circumstances in life, one should observe these at the moment, keep them below the neck, but find a way to use this energy in a creative way rather than an entropic way. But is this the same way one should handle suppressed or blocked emotions from past trauma or wounding too?

FWIW, my understanding at this time is that when you can get in touch with suppressed or blocked emotions from past trauma, then you should express them. What I'm getting and I stand to be corrected on this, is that years of suppressed, repressed and blocked emotions from trauma have to be released in order to heal those old traumas and the Work will be disrupted without that healing....that perhaps the old unhealed stuff will prevent one from being able to be truly objective?
 
Re: Emotions and the head

I have a couple of experiences to add to this thread.

A few weeks ago, after having spent several weeks holding onto a little anger and annoyance at not being able to achieve a couple of goals I was working on, I was sitting in my car with my head on my steering wheel. I was just sitting with my frustration. After a moment, an insight came to me. I had all my current issues tied to a deep down belief that "I can't do anything right."

When this hit me, I felt joy and some chills or something originate at the back and sides of my neck, including the bottoms of my ears and it ran down the back of my arms and spine to about the middle of my back. My frustrations disappeared and I could see what to do and that the particular problems related to impatience and a certain lack of knowledge!


Not long after this, I began to feel an openness somewhere in my center - a kind of receptiveness. I had also added a form of Mindfulness to my self-observation practice. I became really aware of my surroundings as if my body was a receiver and was able to shut off internal dialog in the present moment.

I can go into a grocery store or someplace and have, in several instances, found myself turning to look in a certain direction, a split second before someone walked around a corner towards me...stuff like that. The other day, I was mowing the grass and had stopped to move some branches out of my way. As I hopped back on the mower, I paused, sensing "something...what?..." then, my wife walks from around a tree ahead of me to come and tell me something.

I had an insight or impression that at those particular times, my reflective and impulsive minds were working together and as that thought came, I had a kind of shock of joy or recognition or something. It felt good, but it was short-lived and seemed to be centered in the chest or general front torso area.

That's all. Someone with experience with this might be able to say whether my impressions are correct or if there is a different meaning possible for these experiences. If so, I would appreciate the feedback.
 
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Puzzle said:
Thank you very much for sharing this very valuable insight, Belibaste, and congratulations for this new learning step! Smiley

Trying to observe one's emotions when most of them have been and are still being repressed, denied, intelllectualized and what not, is something I've also come across.
I've been observing myself just the way you were describing here, and still do so.
I had this thought that how can I observe myself properly if there's so much in my machine that's broken, especially a simple thing such as experiencing emotions in their pure state?
I sensed there was something I was missing, but also, I kept forgetting about it and kept going with it nonetheless.

So your sharing of your discoveries is really helpful. It yet again shows the utmost importance of first healing the machine, restoring its natural mechanisms without the pathological distortions, in order to have proper material to observe and thus learn from.

Your describing of how you're going about to experience emotions as they are sounds very useful - I'll try to do likewise.
Again, thanks for sharing!

I'll second that, and work on putting it into practice.

From my training in Time Line Therapy, the one thing that was emphasied was the need to get to the root cause of the problem, the first event, that caused the emotion to arise, and to learn the postive lesson for doing what ever you did with the resources currently available to you, and thus get rid, or release of the negative emotion, (and to add in additional resources on clearing to fill the gap), otherwise each succeeding significant emotional event just adds to the emotional content of the original event. This is in essence what Jones is saying in his post.

For example, 'road rage' is rarely the emotion connected with the most recent event it is the whole chain of 'rage' emotions stretching back to the original event that is released all in one massive go.

I still have early infant trauma to associate into and release, a work-in-progress, currently stuck in dissociated emotions and intellectualisation. For me, it's back to a hypnotherapist and see if I can get through it this time.
 
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Trevrizent said:
I still have early infant trauma to associate into and release, a work-in-progress, currently stuck in dissociated emotions and intellectualisation. For me, it's back to a hypnotherapist and see if I can get through it this time.

Talking about hypnotherapists, what things should be taken in consideration when choosing a hypnotherapist? For long now I've wanted to see one, but the only ones I've found seem in many ways suspect or not really into 'trauma release' at all. Many advertise themself e.g. being able to help people quit smoking or loose weight! So, any pointers what one should inquire of when contacting a hypnotherapist?
 
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From my limited experience with hypnotherists who claim to deal with trauma, is to visit and find out their experience. The first and last one I used claimed to have experience of dealing with trauma - it turned out to be the hypnotherapist's own, and was done in dissociated state - well I can do that with self-hypnosis, and gets nowhere. Whilst I had several sessions, and went beyond the event that I was interested in, I realised that I would not be able to do associated work with this hypnotherapist - a useful learning experience. Martha Stout gives good advice via examples in her book, the Myth of Sanity, about taking time, slow, and the creation of a safe space to work in for the association of traumatic events.
 
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On deciding to do something about the trauma situation, I recently sought I-Ching guidance about the desirability of using hypnotherapy and the reading was for ‘After Completion’. And adds: a favourable outlook, yet it gives reason for thought. It is only in regard to details that success is still to be achieved – careful to maintain the right attitude. Unremitting perseverance is required, and extreme caution to prevent damage, reflect to perceive danger and avert it. Recognize the elements that bode danger and know how to banish it by means of timely precautions. Work in harmony. And, in the change lines, the reading was, Take care of hidden evil lurking, be on your guard. The future possibility was Fellowship with Men!

I‘ve done some research on a possible person to work with, and took a further reading on that person – the answer was ‘Before Completion’ with a future possibility of Deliverance. And the reading for the current situation adds: move warily, constantly alert, deliberation and caution. Have the right attitude about completion, take your time. First investigate the nature of the forces in question and ascertain their proper places. Bring these forces to bear in the right place for completion, being careful to avoid conflict. Be determined to succeed, be absolutely clear in your own mind what you want the outcome to be. A cautious approach, streetwise and adaptable, use common sense, taking nothing for granted, be wary. Your ability to withstand pressure will be put to the test. Be patient, calm and centred, it will take time, take one step at a time with realistic self-expectations. And in the change line, Be careful to keep within proper bounds during the process.

There is a lot here to consider and work on before any hypnosis sessions. This may, or may not, help in your particular situation Aragorn.
 
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