Can we talk about Andrew Tate

[Scottie]

Honest question: how do you cope with his outings regarding women etc and still regard him as a usefull source of information and as a person worth spending time and effort on listening to?

Easy: One simply stops being emotionally invested in the guy being either Jesus or the Devil. Even when you know with a high degree of certainty that a person is a sociopath or psychopath, you can still listen to what they say and learn something. If we didn't do that, there would be no SOTT, for example, because we'd refuse to even look at all the 'evil' things 'evil' people are doing.

In order to do that, one must develop strength of character and clarity of thought in order to avoid being sucked in. I think that's kind of the point of 'looking into the darkness'. Of course, we all get taken in now and then, which is what networking is for!

I am consoled by the fact that karma is a real bear, and the universe definitely seems to have a sense of justice and balance - even if it takes awhile! Which is also a good reminder to, um, continue straightening myself out...

 

[luc]

Well, I never really listened to or read anything the guy said, for some reason I had an instinctive revulsion that kept me from clicking on this stuff. Then I saw this tweet by him, and that was it...

 

[Amor]

I am very glad that we have a discussion about this individual and I am grateful that we can network about things we arent sure about.
I have been listening to him on youtube for some weeks now. There is some stuff that I agree on and there some of which I dont. I got an impression that he has formed habits of a warrior, vigilance and impeccability because of his childhood playing chess and doing fighting sports. Some of his points of view I can relate to some of the Castanedas material. I agree that it may be a trap so the PTB can manipulate those that doesnt comply. With all the network of people and power these people have available at this moment it is very easy for them to do.

What I dont like around him is his casino business because it is not generally useful to the society as a whole which looks like he is a strong 4d STS candidate in my eyes, but I may be wrong. His hustlers university further confirms that for me because of some form of hierarchy inside in the program. I got to admit I joined it out of curiosity. I dont like the idea of having sex with a lot of different women because you dont know what attachments that can bring, but its me even though JC got around as the Cs say so it depends on how someone looks at it.
I agree with him that there are instinctively certain gender roles. I agree with him that there are certain things men are naturally better at than women and the opposite, but it doesnt mean that with a certain degree of willpower and discipline cant be learnt. Men can learn to apply some of the feminine qualities and the opposite, but generally speaking of what we have in the society, most often we have masculine men and feminine women due to the social conditioning so I think he is right about that.
I think the easy times have made many men weak and their ability to do the right thing even weaker. And if put weak men in to power we have a big problem then in our world which we can observe today. Even JP have a topic on it so I agree on this point of view.

I like his take on discipline and that sometimes we have to do what is needed rather than what is desired, and this is something I have experienced lately in my life. I like some of his ideas on business which slightly correlates with what Cs have said before stuff like if someone wants to make more money you got to have a higher energy output. He talks about how a business is like a plane and the income of money is the fuel keeping the plane going.
Another thing that I think is off or contradicting is how he pushes the idea to exit the matrix with money while being dependant on the money to be free (isnt overdependance on money is being trapped in the "matrix"?) I do agree that it is useful to have some money while it is still useful, and can be used to buy stuff that can serve as a tool to be more self reliant, but to exit the matrix how he puts it I believe there is more to it than simply earning money.

On the other hand we have a lot of young men and women struggling more or less to come back to a degree of normal life like being social, self improvment, diet and health. After the covid, numbers only increased and some of his things he says inspires me honestly to get of my ass and get the work done. Ofcourse most of them most probably are not critically thinking that there may be some toxicity in trying being exactly like him.

Another thing I liked what he says is about having self respect and the power to walk away if a man thinks the relationship is more a detriment to his well being, but it also can be used as narcissistic tool to threaten the victim if the victim doesnt comply with manipulations. On the other hand to stay in the relationship after a lot of tries and trying to make it work when it was broken in the first place or "I hope the person will change someday...." is also a trap and the man or woman should leave it.

I like that he talks about networking and surrounding yourself with the birds of the feather and stop wasting time with people with whom we go nowhere. He did mention that hey had some mentors which may be very questionable.

It looks like he is a bit paranoid and careful but if he is so influential I understand why.
After some time watching and listening to what he says I got suspicious that he may be skilled at NLP and planting hypnotic suggestions. I have been in some PUA circles many years back and if he has real success with females as he says he does I think he can do that with certain degree of skill. I agree that he expresses some narcissistic behavior.

There is a lot of controversy around his past, but so am I not so perfect. I would say I have been through certain degree of darkness in my life which I am not proud of, but it definitely pushes me to seek the knowledge of what does it mean to really be a good man. Even though if I dont support him in everything he says and does, and maybe his actions are contradicting with what he says I honestly think some of the simple things he says can be useful. I dont see anything wrong in men trying to be stronger, smarter, more effecient, more successful, learning to relate to women. It is all knowledge and knowledge applied is power. Power amplifies who we are. It can either make or break so it depends how we use it.

I am really grateful for bringing this topic up because I feel like it was time for me to be a little bit critical towards him and what he says.

 

[Matai]

Well, I never really listened to or read anything the guy said, for some reason I had an instinctive revulsion that kept me from clicking on this stuff. Then I saw this tweet by him, and that was it...

This tweet alone is actually one of the more reasonable takes Tate has and probably jot enough to write him off. I think he is more talking about the knowledge vs being aspect of reality. I previously compared him to Gurdjieff in the sense that he has a strong "moving center" and prefers learning from direct experience. Gurdjieff also would admonish people from wiseacring and "intellectual onanism" in the form of only reading books and I think this is the essence of Tate's tweet, essentially meaning it is important to utilize different forms of knowledge gathering FWIW. He expresses himself in a very forthright and hyper masculine style in a similar fashion to Gurdjieff, although as I said above is at best a very watered down and less spiritual version

 

[MirAd]

there is some good stuff he's saying about masculinity and issues young man are facing, but you can get the same message from other sources with better reputation and more emotional intelligence. on the other hand, his values are highly materialistic, arrogance is his default mode of behavior. recently i saw i tweet where he tries to humiliate another guy because he has 30+ cars while 'poor' guy has none. flexing with wealth at every possibility. speaks volumes i was in team greta recently when the arresting happened.


for this person the whole proces of separating wheat from the chaff is not worth it. it's much easier to look elsewhere.

 

[luc]

This tweet alone is actually one of the more reasonable takes Tate has and probably jot enough to write him off. I think he is more talking about the knowledge vs being aspect of reality. I previously compared him to Gurdjieff in the sense that he has a strong "moving center" and prefers learning from direct experience. Gurdjieff also would admonish people from wiseacring and "intellectual onanism" in the form of only reading books and I think this is the essence of Tate's tweet, essentially meaning it is important to utilize different forms of knowledge gathering FWIW. He expresses himself in a very forthright and hyper masculine style in a similar fashion to Gurdjieff, although as I said above is at best a very watered down and less spiritual version

I get what you are saying, but you might be reading a bit too much into it? I think Tate just wanted to provoke and cause outrage (=clicks & attention) with an obviously ridiculous statement ("Books are a total waste of time"). If he wanted to say something along the lines you interpreted it, he would have said it differently.

 

[SunEterna]

Perhaps one day, someone will post something like this online with a picture of Tate. ​

He has every single one of these traits listed below. He makes my skin crawl.​

Sociopath Traits You Must Recognize For Your Own Safety​

• High IQ: High-functioning sociopaths often have a higher IQ than other sociopaths or people without personality disorders. This helps them plan, manipulate, and exploit others.
• Lack of empathy: They find it difficult to empathize with others or understand the emotional consequences of their actions.
• Narcissism: They often have strong self-love and grandiose self-image. This occurs because of low esteem and delusional beliefs.
• Charming: Although most sociopaths lack empathy, they are capable of mimicking and manipulating emotions to appear charming and normal.
• Secretive: A sociopath doesn't feel the need to share intimate details with others - unless they are using them to manipulate others.
• Sexually deviant: Since they lack guilt, remorse, and emotional attachments, high-functioning sociopaths tend to have affairs and engage in questionable sexual activity.
• Sensitive to criticism: Despite their lack of empathy, sociopaths desire the approval of others. Sociopathic people feel entitled to admiration and are quick to anger when criticized.
• Impulsive behavior: Sociopaths are often reckless. They typically live in the moment and will do what they feel is needed to reach their immediate goals.
• Sociopaths often lie: Compulsive lying is a common trait among all types of sociopaths. They will often disregard the truth to make themselves look better or get what they want.
• Needing constant stimulation: Sociopaths often get bored easily and need to be actively engaged.
• Addictive Behavior: Their compulsive mindset may result in addiction to drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling, or other addictive behaviors.
• Rule Breakers/ Criminal Behavior: In general, sociopaths are known to be rule breakers. It is not uncommon for them to have a history of criminal activity because of their belief that they are above the law and breaking rules is of no consequence. Criminal activity associated with sociopaths could include theft, assault, or destruction of property. High-functioning sociopaths may also participate in more serious crimes or could be serial killers.

After the news last night, Sky News ran an interview with Tate on

'Uncensored' Piers Morgan, that happened a couple of months ago.
Nicely timed with the arrest that happened yesterday!

In the interview, I watched Tate stare directly down the camera at every opportunity, trying to convince the viewer of his 'sincerity' attempting to mesmerise them with his 'hypnotic stare' (to the point that Piers had to say "Hey, I'm over here").

I observed him smiling, doing his best to be 'charming' and project a more 'moderate' version of himself, but that didn't really work. Piers could have raked him over the coals but he didn't, but I think it was a frustrating interview for him. It seems he is trying to 'see the best in Tate' and may have fallen for that fake charm and intellect, clearly he doesn't know a sociopath when he sees one.

I noticed that Tate LOVED it when Piers said he had been googled more times than Donald Trump, he really lit up and smiled delightedly. Loves the notoriety and any attention.

He made reference to the following things, I noticed there was particular 'frequency' and 'space' around the words when he said them, and the expression in his voice and on his face was a bit weird:

two references to 'the Devil' (something like 'I'm not the Devil')
two references to 'magic spells'
two references to "with great power comes great responsibility" while trying to conceal his pleasure at the words/thought.

I cannot help feeling Tate has been 'programmed' on some level, perhaps in connection with his Dad's work in the CIA.
He is very expressive with his hands and eye contact, almost like he believes he has the ability to 'cast spells' of some kind, that he has some kind of 'mind control' skills. He really seems to have respect but also some fear regarding his father. That would have been some kind of childhood raised in a household like that, how would you ever feel safe, or that you could trust anyone. I think that is evident in his behaviour and 'image' he presents to the world. God knows what has actually been done to him, but we can clearly see what he is doing to himself and others.

I see, they are bright (he's) to cover their archaic impulsiveness. But, the time comes when things can not be covered anymore!

 

[forest_light]

Authorities investigating Andrew Tate seize luxury cars worth millions of dollars​

"Bucharest: Romanian authorities have descended on a compound near Bucharest to tow away a fleet of luxury cars and other assets worth millions of dollars in the case investigating Andrew Tate, the divisive social media personality who is detained in the country on charges of human trafficking.

Romania’s National Agency for the Administration of Unavailable Assets said in a statement that it removed 15 luxury cars, 14 designer watches and cash in several currencies. The total value of the goods, the agency said, is estimated at €3.6 million ($5.6 million).




About a half-dozen masked law enforcement officers and other officials descended on the compound Saturday to take away the goods. The fleet of automobiles included a blue Rolls-Royce, a Ferrari, a Porsche, a BMW, an Aston Martin and a Mercedes-Benz.

Tate, 36, a British-US citizen who has 4.5 million followers on Twitter, was arrested on December 29 in Bucharest along with his brother Tristan and two Romanian women on charges of being part of an organised crime group, human trafficking and rape.

On Tuesday, all four lost an appeal after a court upheld a judge’s December 30 move to extend their arrest from 24 hours to 30 days. A day later, Tate lost another appeal that challenged assets seized by prosecutors in the case so far.

In the days before his arrest Tate had taunted environmental campaigner Greta Thunberg, saying he owned 33 with “enormous emissions” in a post of him refuelling a $7 million Bugatti.

Romania’s anti-organised crime agency, DIICOT, said it had seized 15 luxury vehicles in the case, and identified more than 10 properties and land owned by companies registered to the Tate brothers.

If prosecutors can prove they gained money through illicit activities including human trafficking, the assets could be used to cover the expenses of the investigation and compensation for victims, said Ramona Bolla, a DIICOT spokesperson.

DIICOT said it has identified six victims in the human trafficking case who were subjected to “acts of physical violence and mental coercion” and were sexually exploited by the members of the alleged crime group.

The agency said victims were lured by pretences of love, and later intimidated, kept under surveillance and subjected to other control tactics while being coerced into performing in pornography.
[...]
After the assets were moved Saturday, a post appeared on Tate’s Twitter account, which read: “Anyone who believes I’m a human trafficker is genuinely a moron,” and that “anyone smart enough to understand the American system is unfair would be mind blown by the injustice of the Romanian system.”

 

[The Mechanic]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1614026006607826948

 

[Andrey]

For many years now, I have observed how many recent TV shows and movies make the anti-hero/villain a sensible, pro-freedom, anti-establishment, pro-humanity type of person, who has beliefs based on truth and freedom and so on, but are made to do horrible things and commit violent crimes, etc., for their cause, by the writers... and of course the three letter agencies are the "good guys" who try to stop them. I am currently watching the show 'Blacklist' on Netflix (a very popular show on the platform), and on nearly half the episodes so far, the villain is committing acts of terrorism or killing people or whatever, but are spouting talking points that are actually based on positive causes in the real world. Off the top of my head, one episode was about stopping a guy who was bombing airliners because he was against corporate america and the military industrial complex and government corruption and so on. Another episode was about a cult who were doing horrible things to children, but they made it a point on the show that these people are "sovereign citizens" who seceded from the union. At one point during the episode, one of the rescued kids who was brainwashed by the cult was in the interrogation room constantly repeating "the only way to fight corruption is disruption, "the only way to fight corruption is disruption" over and over again, as if to drive the point home that if you think this way you are like the people in this horrible cult. And it goes on and on like that. The FBI agents (the heroes, of course) are made to roll their eyes at these pro-freedom, anti-establishment talking points, and of course the ones who are saying all the right things are the horrible "terrorists."

It is not just this show. I've seen this kind of thing happening in many TV shows and movies (Walter White's assistant methamphetamine cook on "Breaking Bad" is doing it because he believes in "libertarianism"). If I had to bet money on it, I'd bet that this is done 100% consciously and on purpose by the writers to dissuade people from investigating viewpoints that run contrary to established norms of "government is good," "established narratives are the most objective," "all 3 letter agencies are good," "don't question authority," "obey," etc.

Why I mention this phenomenon on this thread is that when I examine this andrew tate figure, I get the feeling that the PTB are trying the same thing with this guy and I think they do this kind of thing with many public figures. Anyways, just some food for thought regarding this topic.

 

[BHelmet]

At some point in the past there was a hookup of some sort between Tate and Jordan Peterson’s daughter. I’m not sure what to think of that but it’s an odd combo to think of. The back story didn’t ring all that true (she going for a day to talk with him about website monetization while at the same time driving around looking at castles in one of his super cars). IDK.But it is part of the picture.

 

[Menna]

I think its important to consider a few things... Ingredients that make up a person

1) His father was a heavy thinker a chess master or at least VERY good at chess.
2) It is said that his father was absent and not very loving toward him and his brother
3) I believe his father did not respect his mother (This is based on videos and interviews)
4) He has an online course and uses others for sex/sex videos for money
5) He is a now a social media public figure with a reputation to uphold to sustain his expensive lifestyle. There are alot of hooks here pushing and pulling his being keeping him in the same place he is in a prison now but he will always be in a prison if he creates a life dependent on the person he was in 2019 and has to uphold it to sustain.

What the above says to me..

1) He organically will have heavy programs in him from number 1&2&3 above
2) He may not have morals or his morals may be flexible does not stand by them or his standard toward life and women are not strict based on number 4
3) Money will make him do things that may not be "right" or "just"
4) He has a reputation to uphold online so his thoughts talks and action NEED to uphold his image with people that PAY him and CLICK on his social media content as advertisers also are involved here...

So when we look at all the ingrediance that makes up Tate at current what can he really be a construct??? Combine that will the natural 3D STS needs and what is needed to survive in life I don't know if its proper to have an "expectation" from him...

I agree with maybe 20% of what he has said there is some "Truth" but if you make 1,000 points publicly wont people agree with a portion? broken clocks are correct too at times but I believe there are better sources just like candy may provide energy in the form of simple sugars but there are better foods that provide energy.

IF anyone cares to spend time to listen to what he has to say this gives an overview of how/what he thinks as he is asked many question and comments over 4 hours.....

 

[Joe]

IF anyone cares to spend time to listen to what he has to say this gives an overview of how/what he thinks as he is asked many question and comments over 4 hours.....

Problem, IMO, is that Tate lies very easily. Most of the things he says, again IMO, are produced by his brain to serve his own self-aggrandizement. Since he has eked out a counter-culture niche for himself, that means that now and again he will come out with something that we view as the truth, but to him, it's not about the truth but about self-aggrandizement.

 

[Joe]

At some point in the past there was a hookup of some sort between Tate and Jordan Peterson’s daughter. I’m not sure what to think of that but it’s an odd combo to think of. The back story didn’t ring all that true (she going for a day to talk with him about website monetization while at the same time driving around looking at castles in one of his super cars). IDK.But it is part of the picture.

Not true apparently. Mikhaela Peterson met him for one day in Romania while she was in Eastern Europe when Jordan was there for medical treatment. She flew in, met, talked, and flew out the same day.

 

[BHelmet]

Not true apparently. Mikhaela Peterson met him for one day in Romania while she was in Eastern Europe when Jordan was there for medical treatment. She flew in, met, talked, and flew out the same day.

Yes that is the story. By "hookup of some sort" I did not mean to imply anything sexual, just the story is that they got together for a day. Still an odd combo. I am not jumping to any conclusions about anything.