Thank you everyone for this reading session. Even though I had no voice I was there with you all the way and found it all very beneficial.
First, appologies to @logos5x5 if you receive several my login attempts; I´m not sure which of them even came trough.My zoom froze every time I wanted to join in; also audio* issues.... I did enter for a half a minute and then it froze again....
I tried several times, restarted my computer, tried several times again, but noupe....
I´m sorry I´m missing the meeting...
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Q: (L) [...] Okay. Now, you made a remark about the diet that is normal for the human being. And I know {name redacted} and a lot of people - not just {name redacted}, but a lot of people - have a problem with a diet that requires you to consume the flesh of other creatures. And I know that we've read what Lierre Keith has written about it, and it's a very moving statement about life and earth and so on and so forth. But I'd like to know if there's something a little more esoteric that we could understand about this? I mean, I don't understand why and how a person can achieve spiritual growth, which is what you seem to be implying throughout all of this stuff that we've been learning, from eating meat. How many other groups have taken a vegetarian pathway and said that this is... I mean, aside from the fact that we now know that agriculture and vegetables and the owning of the land is pure STS destruction... What about fruit? Well of course they didn't have fruit then. Like everybody, I'm having a little problem with this. So can you help me out here?
A: You know the saying: Only through the shedding of blood is there remission of sins?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: And what about: Take eat, this is my body?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: And: Take, drink, this is my blood?
Q: (L) Yes. (Burma) So it sounds like they're saying that there's a hidden thing in the whole resurrection or salvation by the blood thing. That agriculture is evil and we could return by going on an animal-based diet?
A: No not exactly. When humankind "fell" into gross matter, a way was needed to return. This way simply is a manifestation of the natural laws. Consciousness must "eat" also. This is a natural function of the life giving nature of the environment in balance. The Earth is the Great Mother who gives her body, literally, in the form of creatures with a certain level of consciousness for the sustenance of her children of the cosmos. This is the original meaning of those sayings.
Q: (L) So, eating flesh also means eating consciousness which accumulates, I'm assuming is what is being implied here, or what feeds our consciousness so that it grows in step with our bodies? Is that close?
A: Close enough.
Q: (Ailen) And when you eat veggies you're basically eating a much lower level of consciousness. (L) Not only that, but in a sense you're rejecting the gift and you're not feeding consciousness. And that means that all eating of meat should be a sacrament.
A: Yes
Q: (Burma) With agriculture, you're not only rejecting the gift, you're turning around and beating up the Mother. (L) Well that sure puts a whole different light on the whole Cain and Abel thing! {Interesting that the original “vegetarian” was the first murderer, too.}
A: Yes.
I am so disappointed, I am unable to join the meeting, the audio does not work. I get a message that says audio is not supported with your browser, worked fine last week. My computer has been acting weird today, really slow loading pages. Will have to view the recording when it's posted on the thread, hopefully, that will work.
PS: It was hard for me to follow what guys from Cesarea said, there was a lot of interference. Perhaps it was a problem in my internet connection, but didn't have it for the rest of the group.
Good to know. Was it an issue for everyone speaking here, or just for a few people? I'm thinking it could have been distance from the microphone, or did it seem like something else?
Good to know. Was it an issue for everyone speaking here, or just for a few people? I'm thinking it could have been distance from the microphone, or did it seem like something else?
We have audio issues everytime. The solution for us seem to be to choose the option of 'not connecting to audio' right before you join the meeting, and then 'join audio' after we've joined the meeting. This is using an app though and not sure if there are the same options when going through a browser. You might also try a different browser. I don't know if you're using Firefox, but if I remember correctly, I've had issues with Firefox and Zoom before.
Yes I use Firefox, last week was not a problem. I did join the audio after the meeting started, and was informed that my browser did not support the adio, a message flashed, to use google chrome. I have it installed, the page would not load. Will uninstall and reinstall tomorrow and try that next week.
I think microphone distance was probably the cause.
I have Zoom installed, I signed in but for some reason it was slow to respond, that's when I got the message that the audio was unsupported. Will see how it goes next week. Meanwhile I will watch the recording, when posted.Well, if all else fails, one additional option you could try would be to download the app.
Ditto, really enjoyed that and i think this is also a great way of learning. Big thank you to everyoneIt was a great discussion and looking forward to the next one!