Controversial Instagram Account About Pathology

[theos]

This is a bit disingenuous. We know Obama lies, we can prove it. There is no reason to believe that this woman is lying. What she does is something that shocks most people, which I think is the source of your problem with her, you were shocked by the images and that energy is being used to create a narrative about the woman.

All the images that she posts are already available somewhere on the internet. If she makes those images of the human body and how fragile and material it is, popular with those who are interested in such images and exposing themselves to the very material nature of the human body, then I think she is entitled to do so. Those who don't want to view such images or expose themselves to those concepts, should simply not view them. Either way, there is no just cause for any demonisation of this woman.

The point is Solar Mind, those images shocked you, but instead of dealing with that shock and what it means to you, you diverted that process into trying to demonize the woman.

I agree. I've watched the video and this woman hasn't shown anything that hasn't been shown in countless books, videos, internet pages or classrooms. She likes her job as a pathologist's assistant and teacher and she's sharing it (and avoiding posting any identifying material).

But, apart from analysis of what and how I see her, and this interesting observation of different ways of seeing and thinking and reacting, I still didn't get any other objective reason why this what she is doing is not self promotion and abuse? OR maybe I can't see it because of my subjectivity?

Is it self-promotion for a doctor to film his/her operations and post them on youtube? Or to stand in front of a classroom and give a lecture to students? All people who wish to, share their interests. The fact that she shared it on the internet is not damning. We just happen to be in the internet age and the internet is a medium for sharing.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

SAO thank you very much for writing back .. while reading your comments and my thoughts again, I came to conclusion that - yes I don't really care about rights to stuff I did or I have etc ... I can reflect on that part what you wrote completely, but at the moment while I was reading that I asked my self - "so Solarmind why you feel different about that privacy issue here, ( if we take out that you still see her as a self promoting chik ) when you don't feel different from SOA explanation" and at that moment I get my self into the trick - I tend to take a role of to be a voice of all other people that will not agree, and that will be upset, and that will not like it etc etc etc ... and that is what usually happen to me with some other controversall things. I just get blended with the group that can be offended or hurted by some behavior, because they are just not open minded or educated enough to think differently but in general it is not their fault for not understending things, and they are just ordinary people that folowing the strem of life. I don't know why I am falling into that, as personally it always get's me into troubles. I don't know is it good or bad, just thank you for this glimpse of personal insight about having opinions on things

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Thank you for helping, yes it is right that I am reading my experiences and knowledge to it.

That's putting it generously. When we project like this, it's usually not a matter of experience and knowledge, but of emotional mis-wiring, lack of certain experiences, and lack of certain types of knowledge.

But, apart from analysis of what and how I see her, and this interesting observation of different ways of seeing and thinking and reacting, I still didn't get any other objective reason why this what she is doing is not self promotion and abuse? OR maybe I can't see it because of my subjectivity?

Yep. If you can't even conceive of an alternative to your current way of looking at things, that's pretty much a sure sign you're thinking with your emotions.

Is it enough just to believe what she said? How we can see the hidden truth behind the "nice" image and talk? And opposite, how we can stop projecting negative experiences and thoughts on person or happening, if they are not intended to be negative by the objective context presented?

It's pretty simple: avoid coming to a firm conclusion if you don't have enough data to do so.

 

[Tracy Anne]

[quote author=Tracy Anne]
We may never know what her motives are. Is it right that we make our own judgement of the situation? Or just see it for what it is and not let our emotional horse run away on us?

Hi Tracy Anne,
I would say yes to the latter, if you are interested in getting free from various programs and conditioning that we have acquired over the years.

I do not belong to the American culture and many things done in that culture appear strange to me. The same is obviously true about "my" culture and how it is viewed by others. My goal is to develop conscience and for that, I have found culturally conditioned morality to be a hindrance than help most of the time. That does not mean losing sensitivity to how others embedded in the culture might feel - that becomes an issue of external consideration. And getting free from the baggage of cultural conditioning may actually help with understanding others and giving each situation it's due. [/quote]

Thanks Obyvatel, external consideration comes to my mind when understanding different cultures and I am definitely keen to identify my programming and to look at this issue in depth. Since culture is so steeped in belief I am thinking how difficult this makes it.....if you are of a different culture....to intergrate and understand others beliefs when yours are so firm and inflexible (sometimes) Yes now I can see what Laura said about how this can be the cause of conflict. Thank you Laura. As usual I am always trying to see things with my rose coloured glasses. (That annoying wishful thinking programme). Im going to address my programming on this one and examine where its from! Actually as I write it I know......my parents are extremely racist against other cultures in fact you could call them Xenophobes. Maybe I have been projecting? YOu have helped me to see where my programming has come from as I have reacted in opposition to my parents as I find their racisim very distasteful to say the least!

Felt the physical sensations of my emotional horse running away on me and this was an instant indicator to step back and just observe myself.

Im also going to read over my Gurdjeiff for dummies book again ha....ha...as I find the others hard to read.

 

[redstar]

Re: The most ugliest narcissistic self representation with organs of dead people

"Do the deed". Yeah, I DO NOT LIKE putting bodies in the ground; I prefer cremation. I don't like to think of the "instrument of manifestation" that I loved and that was used to express love toward me, rotting and being consumed by worms/bacteria, etc. I like the idea of releasing the life components into the air better and then consigning what was irreducibly solid to the ground or water. When my mother passed in 2010, we had her cremated.

I fully agree with you. I did the same thing with my father. It was only a body and I know his soul will be forever, but we are influenced by the feelings inherent to our current human condition.

 

[Joe]

I don't see any intent here to expand peoples knowledge about disease or our body. DO I still miss something profound here?

Not something profound, something simple. The things she mentions are mind-expanding for many people who know nothing about the intricacies of our human bodies or the very material nature of them, because that knowledge has always been hidden by medicine so as not to "offend public sensibilities". As I said, your sensibilities have obviously been offended here, but not by the woman, but by the images of the human body being cut up and treated "disrespectfully". We're not going to get anywhere with this discussion until you can at least admit that is was the images that shocked and offended you, not the woman. Having said that, if you were offended by the woman, then that's a different issue, but needs to be admitted also.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Thank you for helping, yes it is right that I am reading my experiences and knowledge to it.

That's putting it generously. When we project like this, it's usually not a matter of experience and knowledge, but of emotional mis-wiring, lack of certain experiences, and lack of certain types of knowledge.

But, apart from analysis of what and how I see her, and this interesting observation of different ways of seeing and thinking and reacting, I still didn't get any other objective reason why this what she is doing is not self promotion and abuse? OR maybe I can't see it because of my subjectivity?

Yep. If you can't even conceive of an alternative to your current way of looking at things, that's pretty much a sure sign you're thinking with your emotions.

Is it enough just to believe what she said? How we can see the hidden truth behind the "nice" image and talk? And opposite, how we can stop projecting negative experiences and thoughts on person or happening, if they are not intended to be negative by the objective context presented?

It's pretty simple: avoid coming to a firm conclusion if you don't have enough data to do so.

thank you ... :) ... I feel that can be emotional mis-wiring and lack of certain types of knowledge.

 

[Beau]

. I can reflect on that part what you wrote completely, but at the moment while I was reading that I asked my self - "so Solarmind why you feel different about that privacy issue here, ( if we take out that you still see her as a self promoting chik ) when you don't feel different from SOA explanation" and at that moment I get my self into the trick - I tend to take a role of to be a voice of all other people that will not agree, and that will be upset, and that will not like it etc etc etc ... and that is what usually happen to me with some other controversall things. I just get blended with the group that can be offended or hurted by some behavior, because they are just not open minded or educated enough to think differently but in general it is not their fault for not understending things, and they are just ordinary people that folowing the strem of life. I don't know why I am falling into that, as personally it always get's me into troubles. I don't know is it good or bad, just thank you for this glimpse of personal insight about having opinions on things

So what you're basically saying above is that instead of thinking and feeling how YOU really feel, that you take a stance that will endear yourself to a group of people. I guess you need to ask yourself if you do that not because you inherently agree with such a stance but because you want a group of people to stand behind you, a bunch of emotional followers who will be your champion because you took up their cause and spread it. That's kinda how it appears to me, and honestly solarmind, that is more self-promotion than what this poor woman who you decided was narcissistic and pathological ever did. It's rather ironic that you would get so emotionally worked up about someone, in your eyes, engaging in self-promotion while what you have described above is doing exactly that, and gaining a following of mindless sheep (a term implied in your description above). If you are sincere in wanting to engage in the Work as it is done here, you may want to examine this apparent repeated behavior and why you continually fall into these kinds of situations. It's likely that your aversion to what you considered self-promotion was due to some sort of misguided jealousy towards the woman in the video.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

I don't see any intent here to expand peoples knowledge about disease or our body. DO I still miss something profound here?

Not something profound, something simple. The things she mentions are mind-expanding for many people who know nothing about the intricacies of our human bodies or the very material nature of them, because that knowledge has always been hidden by medicine so as not to "offend public sensibilities". As I said, your sensibilities have obviously been offended here, but not by the woman, but by the images of the human body being cut up and treated "disrespectfully". We're not going to get anywhere with this discussion until you can at least admit that is was the images that shocked and offended you, not the woman.

No I can't admit that images shocked me, as I didn't even look at them before I finished the video. But I can found out what shocked me - thank you to make me think that way . so that is actually predefined with my bad and emotional experience with autopsies and even idea that someone can go further with that, taking parts home and doing photographs - that was shocking for me. So how I see it now, the possibility that this can be done this way, was shocking for me, due to my emotional expirience of autopsies long time ago, that will always upset me if anything will remind me on that. So folowing from there, I already had predefined projected impression of her even before I watched what she is doing, so that might be obstacle for me to see her differently. SO I already formed my opinion before, and just probably my brain used all other things that I see as self promotion to make me feel this way about her?

 

[Joe]

in order to not get angry as no one is agreeing with me, but more to get more understanding and peaceful in ability to accept different point of view.

The problem is that what you and Tracy Anne said was not a valid point of view because it was a straw man argument. You were saying that the images were "disrespectful", but no one is being disrespected by these images because the identities of the former owners of the body parts are not revealed. Don't you think it's a bit silly for you to feel offended on behalf of someone else when it is not even possible for that someone else to be offended?

 

[Deleted member 11729]

. I can reflect on that part what you wrote completely, but at the moment while I was reading that I asked my self - "so Solarmind why you feel different about that privacy issue here, ( if we take out that you still see her as a self promoting chik ) when you don't feel different from SOA explanation" and at that moment I get my self into the trick - I tend to take a role of to be a voice of all other people that will not agree, and that will be upset, and that will not like it etc etc etc ... and that is what usually happen to me with some other controversall things. I just get blended with the group that can be offended or hurted by some behavior, because they are just not open minded or educated enough to think differently but in general it is not their fault for not understending things, and they are just ordinary people that folowing the strem of life. I don't know why I am falling into that, as personally it always get's me into troubles. I don't know is it good or bad, just thank you for this glimpse of personal insight about having opinions on things

So what you're basically saying above is that instead of thinking and feeling how YOU really feel, that you take a stance that will endear yourself to a group of people. I guess you need to ask yourself if you do that not because you inherently agree with such a stance but because you want a group of people to stand behind you, a bunch of emotional followers who will be your champion because you took up their cause and spread it. That's kinda how it appears to me, and honestly solarmind, that is more self-promotion than what this poor woman who you decided was narcissistic and pathological ever did. It's rather ironic that you would get so emotionally worked up about someone, in your eyes, engaging in self-promotion while what you have described above is doing exactly that, and gaining a following of mindless sheep (a term implied in your description above). If you are sincere in wanting to engage in the Work as it is done here, you may want to examine this apparent repeated behavior and why you continually fall into these kinds of situations. It's likely that your aversion to what you considered self-promotion was due to some sort of misguided jealousy towards the woman in the video.

Thank you for reflecting Heimdallr, but what I can say from my life experience, that is not what I want, I don't want to be a voice of the bunch of emotional followers who will be my champion because I took up their cause and spread it. That is what I found very discomfortable - to be worshiped any how, even though due to my work so far I could play on that card many times, I usually refuse leadership in work if I found out that I am worshiped by others insted off been accepted as a member of the team with certain obligations and responsibilities. What I can say that every time I realize that, I step back. On the other side I am telling what I am aware off, and for sure I am not jalousie, that is another thing that I can say I am not. But maybe I am all of that but I still don't know. There can be other reason for me faliing into that, like for example "mother" protective feelings towards those who are week etc ... but in general it was a good glimpse of getting out of the focusing on the projection of my idea about her, and taking that as her real character. At least I am moving out of my assumptions, towards more objective perspective.

 

[Joe]

But than, we also have to have ability to read between the lines? Or maybe that gets sharpened when we get rid of the projecting and programming stuff that we have by many reasons.?

thank you.

Yes we should develop that ability, but we don't want to make a big issue of small readings, and in some cases where there is no objective proof, we can never be certain about our readings, which is another reason we shouldn't get too worked up about it. :)

 

[Windmill knight]

Ok, so I just watched the video and the impression that I got from this woman is that she does have a genuine scientific passion about her particular field. Sometimes you meet someone who is passionate about birds, for example, and they know all about them and can describe in full detail their lives and habits, shapes and colours, etc. One may not share such passion, but one can also see how it is possible to have it. She is one such person, except that she is interested in something that most people will find hard to relate to. I see no problem with that. It's not my cup of tea, as they say, but I am not offended nor do I think she is abusing or seeking self-promotion.

The video is an interview on her, so naturally, the interviewers find her interesting and they are the ones 'promoting' her in a sense, by focusing the attention of the viewer for the 11 minutes that the interview lasts. Perhaps this is what solarmind perceives as 'self-promoting'?

Now, this woman, afaik, is not doing harm to anyone. But many others out there are, so I prefer to save my shock-and-indignation capacity for those others.

 

[Deleted member 11729]

in order to not get angry as no one is agreeing with me, but more to get more understanding and peaceful in ability to accept different point of view.

The problem is that what you and Tracy Anne said was not a valid point of view because it was a straw man argument. You were saying that the images were "disrespectful", but no one is being disrespected by these images because the identities of the former owners of the body parts are not revealed. Don't you think it's a bit silly for you to feel offended on behalf of someone else when it is not even possible for that someone else to be offended?

This is not easy answer, how you will feel if you will know that for example someone that you know had miscarriage in that hospital, and that image on the instagram is probably that baby? Maybe offended is not right word, but will you be compassionate with that person, as that person can be offended if that will happen. And we can also by expirience know that most of them will be. As we know that most of the woman having miscarriage feel quite emotional, and that can be even more difficult for them to face with that reality that it ended up on the nstagram. Even though no one will know, but she can think that most of the people who knows her, knows that it is image of her miscarriage, and that can bring even more dificulties to her, more than valuable things to others.

 

[Laura]

in order to not get angry as no one is agreeing with me, but more to get more understanding and peaceful in ability to accept different point of view.

The problem is that what you and Tracy Anne said was not a valid point of view because it was a straw man argument. You were saying that the images were "disrespectful", but no one is being disrespected by these images because the identities of the former owners of the body parts are not revealed. Don't you think it's a bit silly for you to feel offended on behalf of someone else when it is not even possible for that someone else to be offended?

This is not easy answer, how you will feel if you will know that for example someone that you know had miscarriage in that hospital, and that image on the instagram is probably that baby? Maybe offended is not right word, but will you be compassionate with that person, as that person can be offended if that will happen. And we can also by expirience know that most of them will be. As we know that most of the woman having miscarriage feel quite emotional, and that can be even more difficult for them to face with that reality that it ended up on the nstagram. Even though no one will know, but she can think that most of the people who knows her, knows that it is image of her miscarriage, and that can bring even more dificulties to her, more than valuable things to others.

Solarmind, you are just digging yourself in deeper and deeper. Your need to be right is astounding and the real narcissistic element of this thread. All you are doing is creating more and more elaborate narratives to exculpate yourself. "I'm just doing it for YOUUUUuuuuu..."