The Living Force
FOTCM Member
It will be interesting evaluate further the statistics about infected smokers because this can be just coincidence.

I think you should put infected smokers between "" "". ;-D Because maybe they profite of this situation to push the danger to smoke, you know. They are mean with smokers.

It is true also that Chinese I think are heavy smokers.

Thank you for the information!


The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Another source for analyze is Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding:

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Other is NY base Twitter that gets information (video) from Mainland China:

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Wow, it reminds me "The Birds" by Hitchcock. Strange times we are living, interesting times!


Jedi Master
Indian scientists have just found HIV insertions in the corona virus.

source: https://biorxiv-cache.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/2020.01.30.927871.full.pdf

Update : "These short inserts do indeed exist in #nCoV2019 relative to its closest sequenced relative (BetaCoV/bat/Yunnan/RaTG13/2013, seen here auspice). However, a simple BLAST of such short sequences shows match to a huge variety of organisms. No reason to conclude HIV. "


MK Scarlett

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
And as of January 31st, The Lancet has published a modelling study:

Nowcasting and forecasting the potential domestic and international spread of the 2019-nCoV outbreak originating in Wuhan, China: a modelling study


Since Dec 31, 2019, the Chinese city of Wuhan has reported an outbreak of atypical pneumonia caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). Cases have been exported to other Chinese cities, as well as internationally, threatening to trigger a global outbreak. Here, we provide an estimate of the size of the epidemic in Wuhan on the basis of the number of cases exported from Wuhan to cities outside mainland China and forecast the extent of the domestic and global public health risks of epidemics, accounting for social and non-pharmaceutical prevention interventions.

We used data from Dec 31, 2019, to Jan 28, 2020, on the number of cases exported from Wuhan internationally (known days of symptom onset from Dec 25, 2019, to Jan 19, 2020) to infer the number of infections in Wuhan from Dec 1, 2019, to Jan 25, 2020. Cases exported domestically were then estimated. We forecasted the national and global spread of 2019-nCoV, accounting for the effect of the metropolitan-wide quarantine of Wuhan and surrounding cities, which began Jan 23–24, 2020. We used data on monthly flight bookings from the Official Aviation Guide and data on human mobility across more than 300 prefecture-level cities in mainland China from the Tencent database. Data on confirmed cases were obtained from the reports published by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Serial interval estimates were based on previous studies of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV). A susceptible-exposed-infectious-recovered metapopulation model was used to simulate the epidemics across all major cities in China. The basic reproductive number was estimated using Markov Chain Monte Carlo methods and presented using the resulting posterior mean and 95% credibile interval (CrI).

In our baseline scenario, we estimated that the basic reproductive number for 2019-nCoV was 2·68 (95% CrI 2·47–2·86) and that 75 815 individuals (95% CrI 37 304–130 330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020. The epidemic doubling time was 6·4 days (95% CrI 5·8–7·1). We estimated that in the baseline scenario, Chongqing, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen had imported 461 (95% CrI 227–805), 113 (57–193), 98 (49–168), 111 (56–191), and 80 (40–139) infections from Wuhan, respectively. If the transmissibility of 2019-nCoV were similar everywhere domestically and over time, we inferred that epidemics are already growing exponentially in multiple major cities of China with a lag time behind the Wuhan outbreak of about 1–2 weeks.

Given that 2019-nCoV is no longer contained within Wuhan, other major Chinese cities are probably sustaining localised outbreaks. Large cities overseas with close transport links to China could also become outbreak epicentres, unless substantial public health interventions at both the population and personal levels are implemented immediately. Independent self-sustaining outbreaks in major cities globally could become inevitable because of substantial exportation of presymptomatic cases and in the absence of large-scale public health interventions. Preparedness plans and mitigation interventions should be readied for quick deployment globally.

Health and Medical Research Fund (Hong Kong, China).

And from ZeroHedge as for January 31st as well:

Coronavirus Contains "HIV Insertions", Stoking Fears Over Artificially Created Bioweapon
Over the past few days, the mainstream press has vigorously pushed back against a theory about the origins of the coronavirus that has now infected as many as 70,000+ people in Wuhan alone (depending on whom you believe). The theory is that China obtained the coronavirus via a Canadian research program, and started molding it into a bioweapon at the Institute of Virology in Wuhan. Politifact pointed the finger at Zero Hedge, in particular, though the story was widely shared across independent-leaning media.

The theory is that the virus, which was developed by infectious disease experts to function as a bio-weapon, originated in the Wuhan-based lab of Dr. Peng Zhou, China's preeminent researcher of bat immune systems, specifically in how their immune systems adapt to the presence of viruses like coronavirus and other destructive viruses. Somehow, the virus escaped from the lab, and the Hunan fish market where the virus supposedly originated is merely a ruse.

Now, a respected epidemiologist who recently caught flack for claiming in a twitter threat that the virus appeared to be much more contagious than initially believed is pointing out irregularities in the virus's genome that suggests it might have been genetically engineered for the purposes of a weapon, and not just any weapon but the deadliest one of all.

In "Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag", Indian researchers are baffled by segments of the virus's RNA that have no relation to other coronaviruses like SARS, and instead appear to be closer to HIV. The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications.

The above Indian study has been shared previously by Ellipse.

From that same study, we can read at the top of Page 4:
We then translated the aligned genome and found that these inserts are present in all Wuhan 2019-nCoV viruses except the 2019-nCoV virus of Bat as a host

So much for the bats...

And Page 9:
Taken together, our findings suggest unconventional evolution of 2019-nCoV that warrants further investigation.

At this point, the fact that it could be an artificially created weapon does not make me feel really better... We do not have any clue of how all this is gonna end.


The Living Force
FOTCM Member
For now, I am keeping an eye more on the death counts compared to confirmed cases. This Coronavirus so far does not seem like the Black Death plague in terms of casualties. Also so far the deaths are being reported only in China.

Mapping the Coronavirus Outbreak Across the World
Status of Confirmed Cases in Mainland China
As of January 30, 2020, 7:00 PM EST
other confirmed cases
left hospital


The Living Force

I keep coming back to the U.S. concept of "Contactless warfare" mentioned in an earlier Post. The 2003 SARS epidemic in China may have been a test-run?

There's also thoughts that the Coronavirus is an artificially created Bioweapon for Contactless Warfare? Pompeo and Pentagon minions seem to be "basking in blissful Glory" while verbally demoralizing China "as a central threat". Pompeo would like nothing less - then to see China destroyed - from within?

U.S. sees Chinese communist party as 'central threat of our times,' Pompeo says
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Britain's Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab visit Epic Games Lab in London, Britain, January 30, 2020. Stefan Rousseau/Pool via REUTERS
Jan. 30, 2020 - China is the central threat of our times and the United States and its allies must ensure they have the military and technological power to ensure that this century is governed by Western principles, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said.

U.S. State Department warns against visiting China, citing coronavirus
The U.S. State Department on Monday warned against visiting China and said Americans should not travel to the Hubei province, given that the province's city of Wuhan is ground zero for a new deadly coronavirus.

Back in June, 2019, Pompeo had attended a secret Bilderberg meeting in Switzerland. I would imagine, many who attended that meeting where also at the recent Davos gathering? Concern now is ... after the Soleimani assassination in Iraq, targeting Iran and then the Ukrainian plane crash in Iran, the Deep State has managed to attack Iran, fro, within. With the Coronavirus creating havoc in China, it could be viewed as another direct attack ... next one might center on Russia? NATO has been building up forces closer to Russian Borders. U.S. Troops and mercenaries are still in Syria. I can picture a scenario where NATO sends missiles towards Russia - Israel then attacks Iran?

Pompeo attends secretive global meet in Switzerland
June 1, 2019 BERN, SWITZERLAND (AFP) - US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will take part on Saturday (June 1) in a secretive meeting in Switzerland of global power brokers discreetly discussing issues like Brexit, Russia, China and the future of capitalism.

The State Department confirmed on Saturday that Mr Pompeo, who is on a four-nation tour of Europe, would take part in the four-day Bilderberg meeting, which kicked off on Thursday in the picturesque Swiss town of Montreux.

His participation had not been previously mentioned in the official agenda and he did not figure on the list of some 130 elites from 23 countries participating in the event.

The coronavirus used to isolate China - from the rest of the World - and to create economic and financial destabilization.
Street view after Wuhan government announced to ban non-essential vehicles in downtown area to contain coronavirus outbreak, on the second day of the Chinese Lunar New Year, in Wuhan, Hubei province, China January 26, 2020. cnsphoto via REUTERS
Wuhan, capital of Hubei province and epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak

Remember awhile back and the craze of an Zombie Apolcalypse? Does this look "normal"?
FILE PHOTO: Passengers arriving from the Chinese city of Wuhan arrive at Narita Airport in Chiba, Japan in this photo taken by Kyodo January 23, 2020. Mandatory credit Kyodo/via REUTERS
FILE PHOTO: Poeple ware masks to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus in Bangkok, Thailand January 28, 2020. REUTERS/Soe Zeya Tun
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The Living Force
FOTCM Member
The death count for Coronavirus in China is now 259 according to the Bloomberg site (and Bloomberg wants to run for the U.S. presidency...hmm). There are very strange connections these days I think. Almost all the confirmed cases and deaths are Chinese. That makes one think it could very well be genetically directed as in biowarfare.
Yeah, it appears a likely scenario. I think, at worst, it is some bioweapon and at best an exaggeration of numbers for the purpose of a power struggle. Either way, yet again, the common people are paying the price. I guess the global education system designed for ignorance and misinformation is helping the disease spread.😔


Jedi Council Member
What other commonalities are there? I bet they're elderly. Of course, that's a no-brainer.

I mention this because maybe since the elderly are no longer leading productive lives - from a economic standpoint - and the leaders view things from that standpoint, then a outbreak would be convenient.

Already, medical care seems to be designed to exploit, and so if it can't exploit, why not limit care to keeping the workers productive, and the elderly can die. And the Chinese seem to care for their elderly, so a outbreak and bureaucratic snafus are needed to make it seem the opposite of what it is.

Everything must be practical and efficient. That's how industry works. Once a outbreak happens, then help arrives to maximize its potential gain from the circumstances.


The Living Force
FOTCM Member
What I am thinking. The deaths for right now are low, but what if this virus is manipulated the way we do not know. It could mutate under some circumstances. So, for now it would spread as far as it can and than boom! Maybe it is another test. But with the blockage of China is already working.


The Living Force
FOTCM Member
What I am thinking. The deaths for right now are low, but what if this virus is manipulated the way we do not know. It could mutate under some circumstances. So, for now it would spread as far as it can and than boom! Maybe it is another test. But with the blockage of China is already working.


I hope you are wrong but I suppose almost anything is possible and the death rate could go up. It does look like China is being blocked economically and transportation wise.

Currently, the Bloomsberg site claims the death rate for the Coronavirus is about 2.2%.

While Ebola kills half the people who get it and SARS killed 10%, the new coronavirus’ mortality rate appears to be only about 2.2%, based on national data from Jan. 20 onwards. It’s still too early to tell how deadly this outbreak will end up being, though more people have died in China since that date than have been released from the hospital.


The Living Force
FOTCM Member

'Hope? There is always hope.'

1 FEB, 2020


FOTCM Member
What I am thinking. The deaths for right now are low, but what if this virus is manipulated the way we do not know. It could mutate under some circumstances. So, for now it would spread as far as it can and than boom! Maybe it is another test. But with the blockage of China is already working.

Or they could use the cover of coronavirus to introduce something else and claim that the original has mutated. There's this report of using drones to spray disinfectant, but really those drones could be spraying anything.



The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Update : "These short inserts do indeed exist in #nCoV2019 relative to its closest sequenced relative (BetaCoV/bat/Yunnan/RaTG13/2013, seen here auspice). However, a simple BLAST of such short sequences shows match to a huge variety of organisms. No reason to conclude HIV. "

So Indian scientists would have missed this point to do some buzz or what?
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