Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[Goemon_]

fr.sott.net has be cited on this recent french video from ERFM

 

[Mandatory Intellectomy]

Anyway, I hope putting this information out there helps, since while it seems that the reaction to the situation is grossly over exaggerated in many places, numbers being jacked up artificially, and the "new normal" seeming worse than 1984, there actually seem to be some areas that are hit pretty heavy, and at least locally, death tolls seem higher than normal flu deaths. At least, some nursing homes are being wiped out, and having to build makeshift morgues(per the news). So I'm not totally sure we can call it a nothing burger, at least not from where I am standing, but seems to be the case for other parts of the country and the world.

Covid-19 mutations underestimated, Chinese scientists warn, as DEADLIEST strains grip Europe and US

Chinese scientists have found that Europe and America’s East Coast have been infected by some of the most aggressive Covid-19 strains, as they discovered dozens of virus mutations. These destroy a host’s cells faster than others.

www.rt.com

Maybe this is the reason!

This makes sense. It seems the virus mutates fast, and some strains are bound to be more virulent than others. Probably not very surprising that NY would have it bad. NYC is one of the largest cities and a centre for international travel, so it would likely collect more strains than most places even before the lockdown. And the most aggressive ones will spread more. This would also account for the huge discrepancies between different countries. So I think we're dealing with a lot of strains that mutate constantly, and nobody has had the time yet to get a good handle on what's going on. It certainly seems like NY has it worse than other places, and difference between strains would easily account for that, imo.

I agree but it does not exclude the possibility that once officially out (i.e. in China), somebody would not try to make use of it, even in only in a very inefficient way. If you can imagine any country that finds out that they have a virus which they kinda know about but it behaves a bit unpredictably - then you can expect a bit of havoc wrought. It might not be very bad but you can't be sure so what do you do? It depends on how good your epidemiologists, scientists, secret services and executive powers are. Environment is different in every country. So I am not saying this thing started as a bioweapon war but since they played with different strains for quiet a while and we know that it is not the same strain in all the places, could it be that the Deep state would try to sort of put some extra oil into the fire?

This is definitely a good possibility. I read maybe a month ago about the Iranian strain with relation to Israel. Israel said early on that they might have a vaccine soon. Which is weird, unless they had been working on it even before this started. Which would also likely mean they had been working on a version of the virus as well. So the implication was that while the Fort Detrick strain started spreading in China, it's possible that Israel thought it was a good opportunity to release their strain in Iran (and Iran does have a different strain than China). And of course this is not limited to Israel and Iran. There would be nothing surprising about the US releasing another strain somewhere, using the cover of a fairytale about a Chinese food market.

 

[liam1310]

Dr Judy A Mikovits Bio Dr. Judy A. Mikovits earned her BA in chemistry with a specialization in biology from the University of Virginia in 1980 and her PhD in biochemistry and molecular biology from George Washington University in 1992. In her 35-year quest to understand and treat chronic diseases, she has co-authored seminal papers culminating at least a decade of research in each of four fields: immunology, natural products chemistry, epigenetics, and HIV/AIDs drug development. In 2006, she became attracted to the plight of families with neuroimmune diseases including ME/CFS and autism. Dr. Mikovits has been primarily responsible for demonstrating the relationship between environmentally acquired immune dysfunction, chronic inflammation, and these diseases. Dr. Mikovits has published more than 50 peer-reviewed articles, many in the world’s top medical journals and she has been profiled in Discover magazine as well as the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times. Her pioneering work during her 20-year career at the National Cancer Institute includes the discovery of the modulation of DNA methylation machinery by human retro viral infection and the development of the concept of inflammatory cytokines and chemokine signatures of infection and disease, which was first published in 1999, when she directed the Laboratory of Antiviral Drug Mechanisms in developing therapeutics and diagnostics for HIV/AIDS and AIDS associated malignancies. These are all therapies that are still the standard of care twenty-five years later and credited with saving millions of deaths from HIV/AIDS.

I just copy video info..

Removed from YouTube

 

[Jones]

Very interesting:

Hi Lucius Lu, thanks for joining in. I notice this is your first post so I'd like to invite you to make an introductory post in the Newbies forum where you can tell us a bit about yourself and how you found your way here.

 

[Anamarija]

@Keit, thanks for the info&link, the article is published.

At this point, knowing how secret services operate, we probably are all stamped disidants here on the forum. Personnaly I chose carefully what I post on FB sticking to the not too obvious stuff.

I understand your point of view, but I see this as the last chance to share the truth before the game is over.
And I took Keit advice on it .

Well, I think it should be fine, since what he says is true. Also, you don't live in Russia, so it doesn't matter if this particular person is controversial from the point of view of Russian authorities.

@thorbiorn, thanks for added info

Vladimir Kvachkov's name is known throughout Russia today. The commander of the legendary 15th separate brigade of GRU special forces, who passed through Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Chechnya, was put behind bars, accused of an attempt on A. Chubais. Colonel Kvachkov was arrested on the eve of defending his doctoral thesis on the theory of special operations of the Armed forces of the Russian Federation in modern conditions. He was removed from the Army immediately after the chief of the General Staff signed a Directive based on V. V. Kvachkov's concept of creating special forces. But even in the dungeons, the inflexible Vladimir Kvachkov continues to work on the military doctrine of the future Russian Army.
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According Wikipedia (if they are to be trusted):

Kvachkov was known for being arrested and charged for the attempted assassination of politician and businessman Anatoly Chubais in 2005, for which he was jailed for three years until he was acquitted on 5 June 2008. Kvachkov did not admit nor did he deny his role in the assassination attempt, instead declaring the act not criminal, and that the elimination of Chubais and the present Russian government was justified as Russia is under the occupation of a "Judeo-Masonic mafia".

Also, Anatoly Chubais (the same source):

is a Russian politician and businessman of Russian and Jewish origin who was responsible for privatization in Russia as an influential member of Boris Yeltsin's administration in the early 1990s. During this period, he was a key figure in introducing market economy and the principles of private ownership to Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.

 

[Mandatory Intellectomy]

I'm not volunteering to put it together, though! I think Mandatory Intelloctomy could spearhead the formulation of the questions.

Formulating the questions - I think I can do that much. Not organising anything or talking to people, though. I think I can get back with some questions later today.

Laura think it's a good idea the only issue I see is the cold calling aspect,perhaps people good ask friend of friends etc Facebook etc and just say where doing a wide survey just to see people's points of view under the Quantum Future Group umbrella but lots of folks getting to many cold and unwanted calls and they've been worse since the Covid lockdown.

I think it's up to everyone how they want to do it. I myself, being very asocial, would definitely not call random people, but then, I think that's actually how polls are done, so I don't see a problem there in general. People who are inclined to do so can do so, others can ask people they're more comfortable talking to, but another point is that if you ask just friends who have similar opinions to yours, the poll won't be very useful.

No sarcasm this time please! ()

Uhhh......... I think we might need an editor! But I'll try to not ask questions like "Are you one of those idiots who think this lockdown bullshit was a brilliant idea?"

 

[Jones]

Given that Anzac Day has been called off this year due to lockdown and social distancing, there has been a move here for everyone who would normally attend the dawn service to stand at the end of their driveways with candles instead on the morning of the 25th.

The son of an old friend of mine has, with the help of many others, finally put the lyrics of a song that he wrote to music for the occasion. They have pulled it all together in a very short time frame.

At 1:27 in the clip is the youngest brother of one of my school friends and his family and at 2:03 is a 91 year old friend, the father of the songwriter and his sister.

Here are the lyrics:

 

[thorbiorn]

The husband of one friend has diabetes so usually he walks 20 kilometres by day. Now with the confinement he can not walk anymore outside. So he decided to walk anyway in the garage and everyday he walks around 30 km. He is a fanatic of walking surely because he sees a difference in his health. Even at home you can do exercises no matter what.

It is uplifting the husband of your friend can find a way to cope, but it is of course also a sad story. The above walking therapy, reminds of the case of Alexander Dolgan (or Dolgun), who spent time in the Sovjet Gulag system. From the Russian Wiki:

After Dolgan successfully overcame this test, he was transferred to the Sukhanivka, to a prison that was located in the former monastery building. There, he endured several months of intense torture and was one of the very few who survived his time in that prison and did not go mad. He used special practices to maintain his psyche, such as measuring the dimensions of his cell in various ways, as well as the distances he traveled in the cell for a certain period of time. According to his estimates, during the time spent in Sukhanovka, he walked through the cell a distance sufficient to pass from Moscow through all of Europe and reach the middle of the Atlantic ocean. His stay in Sukhanovka brought him to the brink of death, and after that he was transferred to the hospital at Butyrskaya prison.
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became friends with several famous Gulag prisoners, including George Tenno, and Alexander Solzhenitsyn Solzhenitsyn included some episodes from Dolgan's story in his book the GULAG Archipelago.
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Dolgan's health was seriously damaged by the tortures and beatings he had endured, and he was plagued by numerous illnesses.

The above distance depends on where in the Atlantic Ocean he had in mind, but easily 5000-6000 km (Measured on a map). Apart from the similarity of the selected therapy, walking in a small space, even a comparison of the present Covid19 measures with the Gulag is in some respects not too far off.

Dolgan was tortured to confess for things he did not do, and therefore suffered for a reason not related to what he was accused of. And now? People are forced to submit to rules for a disease that has a mortality rate far below what would necessitate the implemented measures, while at the same time many of those who by force are "self-confined" need medical attention and are not treated to the extent justified by their conditions, thus leading to suffering that could have been prevented, not to mention those who have been healthy, but become ill either physically or mentally as a direct or indirect result of the imposed rules.

One might even wonder if there are similarities between the mental and emotional functions of ardent officials in a repressive prison system and some of the people who now with self righteous satisfaction take pleasure in making sure the present Covid19 rules are proposed, written, implemented and enforced?

Alexander Dolgan walked, and in his memoir one finds in the first chapter that writing later proved beneficial and helped him recreate meaning of what had happened to him.

I have an extremely good memory. I can see now the faces of men who tortured me in Moscow prisons, in Lefortovo and Sukhanovka. I recall the number of every cell I was locked in, the number of days I spent in solitary hard punishment cells, the names of hundreds of fellow prisoners. As I worked on this book, faces and names and smells and sounds came to me after twenty years of being forgotten, and they came with complete clarity and vividness, just like opening a door and finding someone you know very well but have not seen for a long, long time.

To work on this book has sometimes been exciting because of the way in which my memory has responded to my probings. Not all the answers have been very palatable. I know that I suppressed some of the memories for twenty years because they were intolerable. But now, because the work of telling my story has become the foremost need of my life, and because I know that for the story to be credible it must have detail and texture and be very complete, even the pain of a terrible memory brings a certain reward from the simple, clear satisfaction of having been able to remember. - Alexander Dolgun's story: An American in the Gulag

Alexander Dolgan had an exceptional memory which only few people possess or have developed. Nevertheless, one idea one may distill from the above passage is that writing, keeping a log, a diary, and also sharing some of the impressions might help to process the impacts of the lockdown laws as well as the coming "new normal" whatever it will be.

 

[Mandatory Intellectomy]

I read an interview with Vaclav Klaus, ex-president of the Czech Republic, today. He said we're reaching a point where people should start revolting, demanding the end of the lockdown, and demanding that the government starts repairing at least some of the damage this has caused. He stated several reasonable concerns, basically echoing the things Ron Paul said in the US. This is good. People like him get into mainstream media and thus reach a wide audience, so it's good for such opinions to be heard at the very least, even if there's little action behind them.



Things where I live look pretty calm. At work it looks almost normal. People don't wear the masks most of the time (at work), only occasionally. If they start talking to me with a mask on, I tell them "Take that stupid mask off when you're talking to me." They all pretty much agree that this is bullshit, so nobody's taking the rules too seriously. Even outside I see people without masks occasionally, and distance from other people seems to be ignored almost everywhere.

The government probably will end the lockdown at the end of the month. There is some opposition, but it seems they have pretty much given up, since the majority wants to end this. The media are starting to post articles about complaints and protests against the lockdown, including from politicians and doctors, so I think it's going fairly well here. There are some dates set for reopening various things, but the details might still change. There were some demands for reopening schools sometime in May, but I'm not sure if there's any official position on that. We'll see. At any rate, right now it looks like things might be slowly returning to 'normal' next month. Haven't seen anything about vaccination in the media.

 

[Laura]

Formulating the questions - I think I can do that much. Not organising anything or talking to people, though. I think I can get back with some questions later today.


I think it's up to everyone how they want to do it. I myself, being very asocial, would definitely not call random people, but then, I think that's actually how polls are done, so I don't see a problem there in general. People who are inclined to do so can do so, others can ask people they're more comfortable talking to, but another point is that if you ask just friends who have similar opinions to yours, the poll won't be very useful.


Uhhh......... I think we might need an editor! But I'll try to not ask questions like "Are you one of those idiots who think this lockdown bullshit was a brilliant idea?"

LOL!

I do think that RANDOM cold calls give the best poll results.

We could create a script to read and everybody use the same.

Like:

"Hi, my name is ___________ and I'm a volunteer for Quantum Future Group a scientific research organization and we are calling to ask your opinion on the most pressing issue of the day: the importance and impact of the Corona Virus... May I ask you 5/10 quick questions that may help others?"

If they say no, or just hang up, try another. Usually, if you dial 5 numbers (get them from the phone book), you will get at least one who will agree. If your voice is attractive, soothing, or something like that, you get more agreements to answer the questions.

It's probably best NOT to use people you know. Not scientific.

 

[loreta]

One might even wonder if there are similarities between the mental and emotional functions of ardent officials in a repressive prison system and some of the people who now with self righteous satisfaction take pleasure in making sure the present Covid19 rules are proposed, written, implemented and enforced?

Yes! This confinement is a sort of gulag. Nothing to compare with the Soviet Gulag, I don't mean that. But a sort of. Specially for latinos, that live on the streets, like to communicate with others, touch others, talk to others, you know what I mean. And the worst thing, that all clinics are closed, almost. You can not see your doctor. Not just clinics but everything Social, like everything concerning social aid, social problems, jobs, etc. So yes, we are in a sort of limbo, time does not exist anymore, like someone take out of us the future. We can just communicate by Internet, in front of a machine, we can not touch, kiss, smile to others. I mean grosso modo. I continue to smile to others but very seldom because there is so few people on the streets....

Very important to write a diary! for future generations. If future generations will know how to read, that's another story naturally.

 

[mamibio74]

Laura I'm okay with polling people about the coronavirus.

 

[cassandra]

Formulating the questions - I think I can do that much. Not organising anything or talking to people, though. I think I can get back with some questions later today.


I think it's up to everyone how they want to do it. I myself, being very asocial, would definitely not call random people, but then, I think that's actually how polls are done, so I don't see a problem there in general. People who are inclined to do so can do so, others can ask people they're more comfortable talking to, but another point is that if you ask just friends who have similar opinions to yours, the poll won't be very useful.


Uhhh......... I think we might need an editor! But I'll try to not ask questions like "Are you one of those idiots who think this lockdown bullshit was a brilliant idea?"

I volunteer to ask people on the streets, especially ones without masks. What do I have to lose? I keep meeting people who don't agree with the draconian measures, but I think are too afraid to openly question the implementations. Maybe it would even be a relief for them to express themselves. FWIW, I appear quite harmless, polite, friendly and well-groomed. ( I think it's important to appear legit) People trust me as a rule, so what do you think? I would also really be interested in their opinion either way, whether they agree with the new system or not.

 

[Joe]

Anyway, I hope putting this information out there helps, since while it seems that the reaction to the situation is grossly over exaggerated in many places, numbers being jacked up artificially, and the "new normal" seeming worse than 1984, there actually seem to be some areas that are hit pretty heavy, and at least locally, death tolls seem higher than normal flu deaths. At least, some nursing homes are being wiped out, and having to build makeshift morgues(per the news). So I'm not totally sure we can call it a nothing burger, at least not from where I am standing, but seems to be the case for other parts of the country and the world.

I don't know for sure, but I'd say that death tolls every year from the flu are higher in certain areas for various reasons. The overall numbers of deaths from covid this year are about 25% of estimated yearly flu deaths, but of course we haven't finished this year yet. One major problem is the fact that this corona virus has been elevated to the status of disease (unlike the flu virus or any of the other 20+ viruses that cause flu like symptoms), meaning that it can be used as a 'cause of death'.

Since symptoms of covid-19 are similar to those of other 'seasonal viruses', It will be interesting to see if the number of flu deaths this year is down significantly. Then again, that is problematic in that flu deaths every year are "estimated", because almost no one who dies from "complications from the flu" is tested for a virus, mainly because the vast majority that die have one or more pre-existing chronic illnesses that are used as the cause of death.

I'm not dismissing your points, but I have to wonder if you have ever talked to any nurses in your area during previous bad flu seasons when hospitals were inundated. I doubt you have, because pretty much no one has, because no one ever cared, before now.

 

[Alejo]

A friend of mine just shared this with me, I found it rather interesting, although it can’t help but see a form of scapegoating shaping up on the horizon, it was all China and Gates and they’re who to blame.

as far as the precedents established for the world, they don’t need the virus anymore, they can re open the economies as they’ve already learned how people will respond to an imaginary threat and how easy liberties are removed from the population.

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CONFIRMED: Hackers Strike And Leak Bill Gates, WHO, And Wuhan Lab Emails

FRN has confirmed reports that hackers have successfully hacked accounts belonging to Bill Gates, the WHO, and a lab in Wuhan believed to be the location researching coronavirus that received funding from Dr. Fauci.

The event appears to have taken place on or about April 20th.

Netizens have taken to activism and people are logging in via SSH and downloading the contents of these hacks. This means that many people will be combing through the hacked documents with a fine-toothed comb.

Hackers apparently looking for the truth behind the coronavirus outbreak have allegedly hacked the World Health Organization, the Wuhan biolab and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. A set of huge databases containing usernames and passwords has been leaked.

What are hackers looking for?

Many are speculating that the Gates Foundation is linked to the research of “gain of function”. This describes a function where scientists add deadly features to a virus. It was outlawed in the US back in 2015 by a moratorium and research was all migrated to Wuhan, where as FRN reported, Dr. Fauci funneled nearly $4 million USD to complete his research.

COVID-19 was ostensibly made in a lab. French Nobel prize winning scientist Luc Montagnier is publicly alleging that this is the case. According to him, there’s no possibility of this virus occurring naturally. It has the “insertion points” of 3 different viruses. That means it is a chimera of 3 separate diseases combined into 1 coronavirus.