Cryogenic Chamber Therapy / Cold Adaptation

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Gertrudes

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SeekinTruth said:
Gertrudes, if you are over the adrenal fatigue, it might have something to do with inadequate circulation and/or hypothyroidism? Something to look into....

Oh yes, I do have poor circulation (sorry, should have mentioned that!). Since I started exercising more, about 12 years ago, it became much, much better, but I still notice that circulation is a bit of an issue for me.

I have tested for thyroid through conventional blood tests and nothing was accused, however, a hair analysis test accused slow thyroid function. I don't know how reliable those are though... Since then I have taken kelp and am now taking iodine, but don't really notice much difference.
 

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Gertrudes said:
SeekinTruth said:
Gertrudes, if you are over the adrenal fatigue, it might have something to do with inadequate circulation and/or hypothyroidism? Something to look into....

Oh yes, I do have poor circulation (sorry, should have mentioned that!). Since I started exercising more, about 12 years ago, it became much, much better, but I still notice that circulation is a bit of an issue for me.

I have tested for thyroid through conventional blood tests and nothing was accused, however, a hair analysis test accused slow thyroid function. I don't know how reliable those are though... Since then I have taken kelp and am now taking iodine, but don't really notice much difference.

You could also look into the tissue salt Ferr Phos. I've been taking it for about three months now and it has really helped my circulation (in addition to the paleo diet :) ). It was recommended to me as being helpful in restoring energy after post-viral fatigue, which it has certainly helped with, but it has also improved the circulation to my extremities. For example, a year ago in the cold weather my fingertips would have been white. Now, after regularly taking Ferr Phos, they remain pink. The usual dose is four tablets, three times daily, and the person who recommended it to me said that it takes about two months to work, although I did notice an effect within a few days. You can get it from Holland and Barrett in the UK.

This web page has an introduction to the salts and their uses.
 

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Something else to consider for circulation is niacin. The effects are pretty quick. Cayenne pepper is another, but it's a nightshade and will probably cause problems.
 

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Thank you Anart , Ailen sharing your experience. My Initially response is scary . I used to do cold water bath some years ago, but lost touch with them for years, so it is much more scary go to this. I found one location here , not far away, some thing to try it out. Hopefully my much ignored thyroid issue may gets resolved.
 

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seek10 said:
Thank you Anart , Ailen sharing your experience. My Initially response is scary . I used to do cold water bath some years ago, but lost touch with them for years, so it is much more scary go to this. I found one location here , not far away, some thing to try it out. Hopefully my much ignored thyroid issue may gets resolved.

Hey seek10, would you be able to post the place you found? I haven't been able to find any in the northeast.
 

anart

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SeekinTruth said:
brainwave, irregular heartbeat was contraindicated for cryogenic chamber sessions, and I'm pretty sure asthma was too. So doing the home protocol might be your only option. You can also ease into it by exposing yourself more and more to cold situations that you would normally avoid. By the way, has your irregular heartbeat improved on the paleo diet?

For the record, I used to have an irregular heartbeat (for decades) and I also had asthma that required a maintenance inhaler every day and an emergency inhaler. Both issues completely disappeared with the diet changes I've made over the past four years. So, it will be interesting to see how yours resolve, brainwave, with your diet changes. :)
 

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Shane said:
seek10 said:
Thank you Anart , Ailen sharing your experience. My Initially response is scary . I used to do cold water bath some years ago, but lost touch with them for years, so it is much more scary go to this. I found one location here , not far away, some thing to try it out. Hopefully my much ignored thyroid issue may gets resolved.

Hey seek10, would you be able to post the place you found? I haven't been able to find any in the northeast.
_http://www.onlinemedicaltourism.com/Advanced-Skin-Wisdom-@-Comprehensive-Dermatology-and-Laser-Center,-LLC.html I need to verify though on monday.
 

anart

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seek10 said:
Shane said:
seek10 said:
Thank you Anart , Ailen sharing your experience. My Initially response is scary . I used to do cold water bath some years ago, but lost touch with them for years, so it is much more scary go to this. I found one location here , not far away, some thing to try it out. Hopefully my much ignored thyroid issue may gets resolved.

Hey seek10, would you be able to post the place you found? I haven't been able to find any in the northeast.
_http://www.onlinemedicaltourism.com/Advanced-Skin-Wisdom-@-Comprehensive-Dermatology-and-Laser-Center,-LLC.html I need to verify though on monday.

I could be mistaken, but I think what they mean by 'cryotherapy' on that page is when you freeze a small portion of skin to remove a growth or mole or something. I've seen that terminology on a lot of skin care sites and it's not the same thing as cryogenic chamber therapy. It won't hurt to find out for certain though - it would be great if we can find a location on the east coast.
 

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Laura said:
I really have no interest whatsoever in taking cold baths or ice baths so if I can get the job done on flipping a switch in my brain by exposing myself to extreme cold a few times, that's my preferred option! If, by doing that, I happen to decide I LIKE cold baths, well then, I'll consider them. But, for the moment, a hot bath before bed is the one of the highlights of my day...

The main problem I'd have with this is that my muscles lock up hard when exposed to cold, hard enough to knock me down. In the shower, to cool down I sit on a bench, but I never do the cold shower thing without Hubby being home, too risky for a fall.

Hmmm. Wonder if a 'cold therapy bag' exists? Kind of the reverse of a FIR sauna bag? Might be something to look for, though I don't see one going down to the temps needed for the leptin reset doo-hickey.
 

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Gimpy said:
Laura said:
I really have no interest whatsoever in taking cold baths or ice baths so if I can get the job done on flipping a switch in my brain by exposing myself to extreme cold a few times, that's my preferred option! If, by doing that, I happen to decide I LIKE cold baths, well then, I'll consider them. But, for the moment, a hot bath before bed is the one of the highlights of my day...

The main problem I'd have with this is that my muscles lock up hard when exposed to cold, hard enough to knock me down. In the shower, to cool down I sit on a bench, but I never do the cold shower thing without Hubby being home, too risky for a fall.

Hmmm. Wonder if a 'cold therapy bag' exists? Kind of the reverse of a FIR sauna bag? Might be something to look for, though I don't see one going down to the temps needed for the leptin reset doo-hickey.

I did a shower today and I started with warm water and continuously turned the heat down while I was under the shower.
in the end I showered with complete cold water (but not very long :P)
it wasn't that bad at all when you adapt to the coldness in steps.

but I'm not that sure if this approach is as beneficial as just a cold shower without heating the water at the beginning ?
could it be that a key to the sucess of this THERMOGENESIS thing could be the shock from the sudden coldness (wich isn't that strong when you adapt to it slowly like I did)?
 
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Endymion said:
You could also look into the tissue salt Ferr Phos. I've been taking it for about three months now and it has really helped my circulation (in addition to the paleo diet :) ). It was recommended to me as being helpful in restoring energy after post-viral fatigue, which it has certainly helped with, but it has also improved the circulation to my extremities. For example, a year ago in the cold weather my fingertips would have been white. Now, after regularly taking Ferr Phos, they remain pink. The usual dose is four tablets, three times daily, and the person who recommended it to me said that it takes about two months to work, although I did notice an effect within a few days. You can get it from Holland and Barrett in the UK.

This web page has an introduction to the salts and their uses.
SeekinTruth said:
Something else to consider for circulation is niacin. The effects are pretty quick. Cayenne pepper is another, but it's a nightshade and will probably cause problems.

Thanks for the tips Endymion and SeekinTruth. I had a look at Ferr Phos and although it does mention "Whenever there are ailments arising from disturbed circulation", when reading the whole paragraph Ferr Phos seems to be more geared towards feverish conditions, at least according to that particular site. I suppose it won't hurt to try it though.

I'm reading on Niacin right now. I wasn't aware that it also helps metabolize fat. I will read some more and may also give it a try.

Admittedly my hopes aren't high as I have tried quite a few things in the past. I don't have much of a fat layer to protect me from the cold, which obviously doesn't help, but I do see a lot of skinny people wearing much less layers of clothes then I do.
In any case, thank you again :flowers:
 

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Watch for lactose as a non-medicinal ingredient in tissue salts. Most homeopathic tablets are made with lactose. It's such a small dose that you may be able to handle it (I don't seem to have issues with homeopathics) but those who are really lactose intollerant may find they react.

Just FYI.
 

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Pashalis said:
I did a shower today and I started with warm water and continuously turned the heat down while I was under the shower.
in the end I showered with complete cold water (but not very long :P)
it wasn't that bad at all when you adapt to the coldness in steps.

but I'm not that sure if this approach is as beneficial as just a cold shower without heating the water at the beginning ?
could it be that a key to the sucess of this THERMOGENESIS thing could be the shock from the sudden coldness (wich isn't that strong when you adapt to it slowly like I did)?

I take a warm shower before doing a cold one, but I do jump into the cold one when I change over (with some mental pumping myself up right before). I've tried doing it gradually, but I rather just get used to the cold more quickly. It may just be a personal preference. I do like the invigorating sense you get afterwards when you do the 'jumping in' method, although that seems to have stabilized after a couple of weeks. I think it provided a bit of a motivation initially though, at least it did for me. I also found that it helps to warm my head with hot water first. I did it once without doing that and found adjusting to the cold was more difficult. Kruse said something relating to this too in one of his blog posts where he suggested wearing a hat, gloves and socks when starting the cold baths:

http://jackkruse.com/the-evolution-of-the-leptin-rx/
Once you complete Step 2, you can try cold showers to ready your body for immersion, but I did not use this much when I was training my brain to rewire. I went straight to the bath tub and filled it with cold tap water. With immersion, the major heat exchange in water occurs by means of conduction with the surrounding water. The exceptions to this are the non immersed body parts, in most cases the head. The head can represent a significant site of heat loss to the environment owing to its minimal insulation (small fat layers) and lack of vasoconstriction in the scalp.

I then proceed to add twenty pounds of ice to my chest and abdomen region while my body is in the tub. Initially, I kept my socks and gloves on my extremities and I also wore a knitted cap to my head. This was all to combat the vasoconstriction that normally will occur in extremities. The hat was to to keep in heat from the veins of the scalp to allow for an adaptation to immersion. This step will take you some time to get used too. You lose 20-40% more heat from cerebral blood shunting when you cool adapt. After I was adapted to 20 lbs of ice (about 5-7 days) then I removed socks, gloves and head cap. If you get lightheaded this means your not ready for the tub.

I was a bit nervous to take a cold bath, but I did yesterday and was surprised that I didn't shiver much. It's been about three weeks of cold showers and I think the showers are actually a little bit tougher since your body never fully adjusts to the cold. I also think it's worth it to take the time to do the steps gradually since your body does adjust.
 

seek10

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anart said:
seek10 said:
Shane said:
seek10 said:
Thank you Anart , Ailen sharing your experience. My Initially response is scary . I used to do cold water bath some years ago, but lost touch with them for years, so it is much more scary go to this. I found one location here , not far away, some thing to try it out. Hopefully my much ignored thyroid issue may gets resolved.

Hey seek10, would you be able to post the place you found? I haven't been able to find any in the northeast.
_http://www.onlinemedicaltourism.com/Advanced-Skin-Wisdom-@-Comprehensive-Dermatology-and-Laser-Center,-LLC.html I need to verify though on monday.

I could be mistaken, but I think what they mean by 'cryotherapy' on that page is when you freeze a small portion of skin to remove a growth or mole or something. I've seen that terminology on a lot of skin care sites and it's not the same thing as cryogenic chamber therapy. It won't hurt to find out for certain though - it would be great if we can find a location on the east coast.

I have the same doubt and I called them couldn't get the right person get clarification. I guess you are correct . Any way I will call them on monday and enquire more.
 

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Fascinating thread, thanks to those starting it - makes one reevaluate cold, which i've been fighting through life living in the north.

Alana said:
We found this place in Vernon, British Columbia that does the treatments

http://www.sparklinghill.com/treat-yourself/wellness-treatments/cold-spa-110-degrees-celcius

As you see from the link, the temperature is -110 C and it's a big room, with an assistant with you throughout. It costs 300 Canadian dollars for 10 treatments. Although people might want to look for another hotel in the area if on a budget, this one (where the treatments take place) is expensive! (well, from my perspective... )

:cool2:, not that far from me either and even go there once in a while. Thanks for sharing your experience anart too.
 
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