Cryogenic Chamber Therapy / Cold Adaptation
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I am not sure what he eats though.
Isn't interesting to claim all of this due to meditation (and training) rather than Leptin and its effect on cold thermogenesis and reactivating ancient path ways ?. No wonder when main stream media or mainstream science talks of some thing, there will be some motive.Pashalis said:
I am not sure what he eats though.
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Yeah, thanks for posting the link, Pashalis. I watched it just before going in to take a cold shower. I'm really starting to get used to and liking the cold showers more and more, especially the last two times. I feel invigorated and my body really starts cranking up the heat to compensate.
I've also been wearing just shorts the last 5 days or so. I go out early in the morning around 6 or 6:30 AM wearing just shorts (bare feet) and have my first smoke out on the balcony (at that time, it's pretty cool outside); sleep with just shorts and a bed sheet for cover, etc. Little by little, I'm becoming much less sensitive to cold. I'm going to slowly continue to increase exposure until I get to the long ice baths and see what happens.
Pashalis said:
Yeah, thanks for posting the link, Pashalis. I watched it just before going in to take a cold shower. I'm really starting to get used to and liking the cold showers more and more, especially the last two times. I feel invigorated and my body really starts cranking up the heat to compensate.
I've also been wearing just shorts the last 5 days or so. I go out early in the morning around 6 or 6:30 AM wearing just shorts (bare feet) and have my first smoke out on the balcony (at that time, it's pretty cool outside); sleep with just shorts and a bed sheet for cover, etc. Little by little, I'm becoming much less sensitive to cold. I'm going to slowly continue to increase exposure until I get to the long ice baths and see what happens.
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Recently, there has been another research project around the Iceman, revealing that brown adipose contributes to his ability in generating internal heat to withstand the cold he's exposed to.
References:
http://www.innerfire.nl/brown-adipose
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(12)00048-4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_adipose_tissue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipose_tissue
Recently, there has been another research project around the Iceman, revealing that brown adipose contributes to his ability in generating internal heat to withstand the cold he's exposed to.
References:
http://www.innerfire.nl/brown-adipose
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(12)00048-4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_adipose_tissue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipose_tissue
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He seems also quite fit and has breakdance abilities ;) :
Here he describes a bit about his method:
_http://www.innerfire.nl/method
He and another guy (who liked to become like the iceman) have written also a book:
_http://becomingtheiceman.com/book
I couldn't find anything about his diet, maybe he trained it over a long time to endure such coldness.
And here is a small article about the experiment that could be seen in the video:
_http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110422090203.htm
And eventually this exercise could be helpful:
_http://youtu.be/dM_TFoptaTI
He seems also quite fit and has breakdance abilities ;) :
Here he describes a bit about his method:
_http://www.innerfire.nl/method
He and another guy (who liked to become like the iceman) have written also a book:
_http://becomingtheiceman.com/book
I couldn't find anything about his diet, maybe he trained it over a long time to endure such coldness.
And here is a small article about the experiment that could be seen in the video:
_http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110422090203.htm
And eventually this exercise could be helpful:
_http://youtu.be/dM_TFoptaTI
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I found another piece about the Ice Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=madoDvtKEes&feature=related
climbing the Everest almost naked is beyond believe , he didn't succeed because of a foot injury but alone the idea is unfreaking believable!!
anyone who knows a bit about Everest climbing and how difficult and extrem cold it is up there and the weeks of climbing knows what this means !
I found another piece about the Ice Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=madoDvtKEes&feature=related
climbing the Everest almost naked is beyond believe , he didn't succeed because of a foot injury but alone the idea is unfreaking believable!!
anyone who knows a bit about Everest climbing and how difficult and extrem cold it is up there and the weeks of climbing knows what this means !
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Yes, thanks, just caught it over on SoTT http://www.sott.net/articles/show/244419-Wim-Hof-a-k-a-The-Ice-Man-Scientifical-Breakthrough-
It will be interesting once trained and untrained meditative control groups are set up to see the results. It did not appear that the focus; his meditation technique, was to be on cold adaptation, which may ultimately play they pivotal role influencing his other aspects of control, like the bacteria injection.
Pashalis said:
Yes, thanks, just caught it over on SoTT http://www.sott.net/articles/show/244419-Wim-Hof-a-k-a-The-Ice-Man-Scientifical-Breakthrough-
It will be interesting once trained and untrained meditative control groups are set up to see the results. It did not appear that the focus; his meditation technique, was to be on cold adaptation, which may ultimately play they pivotal role influencing his other aspects of control, like the bacteria injection.
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Back in the tropics again ...
Did my two weeks of cold showers (very cold). Got used to it ok, but not looking forward a lot. However felt really good after the shower, alert and all tingly.
Overall not much change over these two weeks, no weight change ... Maybe two weeks is just not enough to change leptin resistance.
Off to very cold climate towards the end of the year, where I will again test cold adaptation - will be interesting!
nicklebleu said:I am currently south from where I normally live and it's noticeably colder. Have done now a few days of cold showers in the evening and only wearing light clothes in the cool. A bit of shivering now and then, but not too bad. I also sleep with only a thin cover, so nights are a bit cool with some sleep interruption, although I still think that I get a decent sleep. Ovall not too painful ...
I will only be able to do that for two weeks, then it's back to the tropics and sweating. Cold showers up there are impossible, the water is at best body warm. And I don't have a bath, so no ice baths either. Might think about buying a big tub where I can soak at least my upper body in ice water.
Thought I would give this a try just to see what happens in these two weeks. If I am lucky I might get some leptin sensitivity back (or maybe not).
BTW, my BMI at the moment is 26.6 ...
Back in the tropics again ...
Did my two weeks of cold showers (very cold). Got used to it ok, but not looking forward a lot. However felt really good after the shower, alert and all tingly.
Overall not much change over these two weeks, no weight change ... Maybe two weeks is just not enough to change leptin resistance.
Off to very cold climate towards the end of the year, where I will again test cold adaptation - will be interesting!
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nicklebleu, until you CAN have more options for cold adapting, you can try the Leptin Reset Protocol by Dr. Kruse, if you're Leptin Resistant. If you do everything very close to the guidelines of the protocol, most people regain Leptin Sensitivity/Reset in 4 to 6 weeks. If you don't follow certain things very closely, it will take longer, and if you violate certain principles, you will be set back by 10 to 14 days from the time of the "fall," according to Kruse, starting all over again. Just thought I'd mention it, as that's the MAIN approach to Leptin Reset, Cold Thermogenesis being additional and with additional benefits.
nicklebleu, until you CAN have more options for cold adapting, you can try the Leptin Reset Protocol by Dr. Kruse, if you're Leptin Resistant. If you do everything very close to the guidelines of the protocol, most people regain Leptin Sensitivity/Reset in 4 to 6 weeks. If you don't follow certain things very closely, it will take longer, and if you violate certain principles, you will be set back by 10 to 14 days from the time of the "fall," according to Kruse, starting all over again. Just thought I'd mention it, as that's the MAIN approach to Leptin Reset, Cold Thermogenesis being additional and with additional benefits.
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By the way, as I'd mentioned before, my mother was looking for a business card of someone involved with cryotherapies. She was able to find the contact information elsewhere, so I'm going to look into if it's full body cryogenic chamber therapy or what -- she remembers treatment for lung problems being mentioned.
By the way, as I'd mentioned before, my mother was looking for a business card of someone involved with cryotherapies. She was able to find the contact information elsewhere, so I'm going to look into if it's full body cryogenic chamber therapy or what -- she remembers treatment for lung problems being mentioned.
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Thanks for the links about the Ice Man. Very interesting! He's pretty dedicated! But from the way you can see him breathe, it seems he is more into mental vacuum and physical fitness than what we are about here. Not that it can't have huge benefits, of course.
For a short update, after the cryo sessions I felt really well for about 10 days. I was never tired, had a lot of mental clarity, was wide awake in the morning and slept well, and my legs felt very light again. Now, it has been roughly a month, and the benefits have somehow lessened. My legs feel heavy again, and I do get tired or have headaches once in a while. But I notice the same as Laura pointed about food.
Cold showers really help in getting those benefits back again, even if they are milder. I have started enjoying the after effects a lot, but the showers themselves are still pretty cold!
Bobo8, if the water where you're at is not very cold, you can always do a bath, and add a few ice cubes. That is, if you want to try. Personally, I think we shouldn't go overboard either, on a regular basis. If the weather is warm outside, and you do a cold bath every day, I'm not sure that is much different from eating carbs and then doing cryo, that is, sending a mixed message to your body (it's winter, no it's summer, no it's winter...). I don't know for sure, but it hasn't been tested for that long either, so we need to be careful and observe all different signs. OSIT.
Thanks for the links about the Ice Man. Very interesting! He's pretty dedicated! But from the way you can see him breathe, it seems he is more into mental vacuum and physical fitness than what we are about here. Not that it can't have huge benefits, of course.
For a short update, after the cryo sessions I felt really well for about 10 days. I was never tired, had a lot of mental clarity, was wide awake in the morning and slept well, and my legs felt very light again. Now, it has been roughly a month, and the benefits have somehow lessened. My legs feel heavy again, and I do get tired or have headaches once in a while. But I notice the same as Laura pointed about food.
Cold showers really help in getting those benefits back again, even if they are milder. I have started enjoying the after effects a lot, but the showers themselves are still pretty cold!
Bobo8, if the water where you're at is not very cold, you can always do a bath, and add a few ice cubes. That is, if you want to try. Personally, I think we shouldn't go overboard either, on a regular basis. If the weather is warm outside, and you do a cold bath every day, I'm not sure that is much different from eating carbs and then doing cryo, that is, sending a mixed message to your body (it's winter, no it's summer, no it's winter...). I don't know for sure, but it hasn't been tested for that long either, so we need to be careful and observe all different signs. OSIT.
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For the past 2 weeks I have been taking cool, but not cold showers as well. Similarly to Redfox, I began to notice some fatigue when taking a cold shower, although that only happened when I washed my hair where I stay under the shower for longer. However, I feel that the symptoms of having gone too far were not so much related to the amount of time I stayed, but more with having my head under the water.
I am very slim and have had significant difficulties in withstanding cold for a number of years, so I think that those of us with less body fat and/or less tolerance to cold will have to take it slower, which seems to be only reasonable.
When doing the cold showers, although I could stay under the cold water without much difficulty, it was the post shower that cued me to the fact that it was a bit too much. On the first days I felt energetic, but as time went on I noticed that I simply wasn't warming back up. No matter how much time seemed to pass, and I'm talking about hours here, my body just stayed cold and eventually I had to resort to several cups of boiling hot tea.
Since having started the cool showers my body is, once again, warming up on its own. Tomorrow I'll try a cool shower, but finishing with a few seconds of purely cold water. The plan is to progress slowly and keep adjusting as I notice improvement or regression.
RedFox said:
For the past 2 weeks I have been taking cool, but not cold showers as well. Similarly to Redfox, I began to notice some fatigue when taking a cold shower, although that only happened when I washed my hair where I stay under the shower for longer. However, I feel that the symptoms of having gone too far were not so much related to the amount of time I stayed, but more with having my head under the water.
I am very slim and have had significant difficulties in withstanding cold for a number of years, so I think that those of us with less body fat and/or less tolerance to cold will have to take it slower, which seems to be only reasonable.
When doing the cold showers, although I could stay under the cold water without much difficulty, it was the post shower that cued me to the fact that it was a bit too much. On the first days I felt energetic, but as time went on I noticed that I simply wasn't warming back up. No matter how much time seemed to pass, and I'm talking about hours here, my body just stayed cold and eventually I had to resort to several cups of boiling hot tea.
Since having started the cool showers my body is, once again, warming up on its own. Tomorrow I'll try a cool shower, but finishing with a few seconds of purely cold water. The plan is to progress slowly and keep adjusting as I notice improvement or regression.