Descriptions of the "afterlife"/5th Density

[Tomiro]

Now this got me thinking, as I remember reading a book quite a while ago (title unfortunately escapes me. I think it was by Chico Xavier) where they describe interactions with our reality, from a spirit's / 5D perspective. Not sure how much of it was fictional, but in general it fell in line with similar literature. In one example someone was doing healing work in 3D, while at the same time being assisted by a lot of workers in 5D.

So doing something like Reiki, I had the assumption that you connect to some universal life force without any intermediate. Or do we actually have these workers or helpers on the "backend"?

 

[thorbiorn]

One thing that's puzzling me is all this talk about spirit guides, who help us (whenever we ask) in the afterlife. Almost all NDE books talk about these guides. However, if I remember correctly, the C's have said that no such things exist, that it's just our 'higher self' guiding us, or something. Any ideas about this?

I can't remember reading much about it from the sessions. They mention:

Perhaps it depends on the person or soul, how much help you need. But if natural progression would eventually go from 4D to 5D existence, I guess you need a job, so might as well become a guide.

There will probably be individual differences. In the Session that @Tomiro mentions, there was also:
Session 9 March 2024

(irjO) Is the movie 'Astral City', which tells the journey of a doctor who dies and goes, lives, and works in "heaven", close to how we perceive and exist in 5th density?

A: For some.

More generally:
There are plenty of tomes with those details. - You can read and compare to get the general gist of things.
Session 20 October 2018

Q: [...] So, Joe was just saying why don't we ask people who talk to us from 5D what 5D is like. I was just thinking about asking that myself.

A: There are plenty of tomes with those details.

Q: (L) Well, if there are plenty of tomes with those details, are they true?

A: You can read and compare to get the general gist of things.

Q: (L) Okay.

Although the general gist of things can become more clear with reading several of these tomes, again one could add - for some. After all it is not a subject easily subjected to 3D proofs. The following is in relation to the Cassiopaean communications, but something similar could be said about the work of all the authors of the afterlife books, whether they themselves were the mediums, or they only recorded what they were given from others who were.
Third density "proof" does not apply
Session 24 February 1996

A: Third density "proof" does not apply, as we have explained again and again. Now, listen very carefully: if proof of that type were possible, what do you suppose would happen to free will, and thusly to learning, Karmic Directive Level One?

Q: (L) Well, I guess that if there is proof, you are believing in the proof and not the spirit of the thing. You are placing your reliance upon a material thing. You have lost your free will. Someone has violated your free will by the act of PROVING something to you.

A: If anyone CHOOSES to believe, that is their prerogative!

What we choose to believe of what the authors write about the afterlife is up to us.

 

[irjO]

One thing that's puzzling me is all this talk about spirit guides, who help us (whenever we ask) in the afterlife. Almost all NDE books talk about these guides. However, if I remember correctly, the C's have said that no such things exist, that it's just our 'higher self' guiding us, or something. Any ideas about this?

I don’t think they ever said that spirit guides doesn’t exist. It is mentioned in 2 sessions;

Session 19 November 1994

Q: (L) When my daughter A__ did a spirit viewing of me she saw a cord attached to me and at the end of this cord there was a blue astronaut. What was the blue astronaut she saw?

A: Guide.

Q: (L) Well, we disconnected him. Should we have left him alone?

A: Up to you.

Session 22 June 1996

Q: (L) When you are in 5th density, is part of your service to be a guide? Are there two kinds of beings on 5th: those who are there for the recycling, and those whose level it simply IS?

A: No. All are as one in timeless understanding of all there is.

Q: (L) If, at 5th density a person has timeless understanding, what is it about them that determines that they will "recycle" as opposed to moving to 6th from 5th?

A: Contemplation reveals needed destiny.

I could say pretty much that one keep learning lessons in 5D, and for some maybe guiding someone else could be part of their destiny, karma weight or temporary mission.

 

[thorbiorn]

Guards and guides?
Connected to the discussion of the deceased as possible guides there was also:

Kitty is now a guard
Session 30 January 2021

(Artemis) Oxajil wanted me to ask about her kitty. I was going to ask if there's anything you can say about her kitty that might help Oxajil?
A: Kitty is now a guard.
Q: (L) So her kitty has become a guard in the astral realms?
A: Yes.

Close to you and guarding.
Session 13 January 2024

Q: (L) T.C and his wife KSee want to know where Denny is and how he’s doing. I normally wouldn't ask this, but it was really very traumatic for them, and they would like to know where Denny is.
A: Close to you and guarding.

There are many different kinds of cats and other pets, and maybe not all have the potential to end up as guards, but the point is that if a pet, with whom there is little DNA connection, in some cases can become a guard, some ancestors can probably do more.

Keep in mind that there is a certain power transmitted by awareness of ancestors. - You can help to heal some things and draw strength via your DNA antennae which, you must remember, is also their DNA antennae.

Sharing the same DNA antennae, if we are connected via DNA to an information field, and you have other people with similar DNA connected to a similar part of the field, and time really doesn’t exist on other planes, then you can access these kinds of memories or information shared by ancestors...? - Exactly.
Session 11 August 2018

(L) Well, on an adjacent topic to DNA, I would like to know why I feel... Um... compelled or obsessed by my genealogy database. [laughter] I'm embarrassed to talk about it because it's taken SO much time, and yet it's like I WANT TO KNOW!
A: Keep in mind that there is a certain power transmitted by awareness of ancestors.
Q: (L) How can there be power transmitted by awareness of ancestors? They're dead, first of all. Second of all, maybe those that had the potential have reincarnated and would be living other lives in other places. Or they'd be floating around in 5th density or whatever dead ancestors do...
(Artemis) Well, in a roundabout way, it's almost like knowing about your past lives.
(Andromeda) Yeah.
A: Yes
Q: (L) So, knowing past lives is helpful. Knowing ancestors is helpful. Well, the ancients believed that if you remembered your ancestors, they helped you. If you didn't take care of them or you forgot about them, they could bring bad luck on you. Can it? [laughter]
A: Something like that. You can help to heal some things and draw strength via your DNA antennae which, you must remember, is also their DNA antennae.
Q: (Andromeda) Makes sense.
(Chu) You inherited their receivers.
(Andromeda) And you can learn things from their experiences thereby.
(Pierre) You were wondering about how you relate to them. They're dead, they're far away. Sharing the same DNA antennae, if we are connected via DNA to an information field, and you have other people with similar DNA connected to a similar part of the field, and time really doesn’t exist on other planes, then you can access these kinds of memories or information shared by ancestors...?
A: Exactly.
Q: (Pierre) Wow.
(Joe) There's also epigenetics...
(L) I keep saying that reading all this early American history tells me why Americans are the way they are. They are completely messed up. But then, so is everybody else!! It's terrible.
(Chu) Epigenetics is only about this life, right?
(L) Oh no! Oh no! Your parents can have methylation that gets passed on to you. All kinds of weird stuff can happen. You just would not believe it. So in other words, we're back to ancestor worship! [laughter]
(Artemis) Get some incense and a shrine!
(Pierre) Is one of the reasons for the importance of the cult of ancestors this relation to the information field via DNA?
A: Yes. They went a bit far with it and forgot why it was important.
Q: (Andromeda) Like Halloween.
(L) Yeah. It just got distorted. But then...
A: We keep telling you that we are you in the future. You are them in the future.
Q: (L) So, my present is their future.
(Andromeda) We're the Cs ancestors! [laughter]
(Artemis) They're honoring us!
(Joe) So, maybe some of your ancestors are on a Ouija board trying to contact you. They're trying to get some information.
(L) This is getting too weird... [laughter] So, it would be useful for people to at least know as many of their ancestors as they can possibly know?
A: Yes and some ancestors are stronger than others.
Q: (L) So, if you have a strong recent ancestor, that's pretty good. So, in a certain sense, you could tune in to your ancestors and derive strength from them? Kind of like... a choir of angels sort of thing?
A: Close but don't go all woowoo on us now!
Q: [laughter] (Joe) If you're gonna tune in to your ancestors, you better pick the right one. Don’t be pickin' that one guy...
(Andromeda) The cowboy?
(Joe) The one who never slept in a bed.
(L) Oh, you mean my wonderful ancestor Bone Mizell. Well, he's not exactly an ancestor. He's like first cousin 4 times removed or something. He was first cousin to my great-great grandmother. And what a character!
(Joe) Well, that's why if you're gonna commune with them, you have to know as much about them as possible. Know which ones you don't want to get any advice from.

If some ancestors are stronger than other, it might relate to:
Session 13 July 2002

A: [...] What happens to a souled individual is different from an organic portal unit.

It is likely some ancestors will be organic portals, at least if one goes far enough back, and not only:
Session 23 September 2023

(Ze Germans) Do descendants of "undergrounders" who stay on the surface usually inherit their genetic tweaks and are being programmed by 4D STS with some new mission?

A: Yes

Q: (Ze Germans) How many descendants of undergrounders are there on the surface of Earth at the moment and what percentage of them are psychopaths?

(L) How many descendants of undergrounders? Well, that would be quite a lot. I mean, because if they're like descendants, you have two parents, you have four grandparents, you have whatever. It could be like millions of 'em. Multiple millions. Is that correct?

A: Yes

Q: (Andromeda) How many of them are psychopaths?

A: Same as regular population. Many of you are such descendants!

Q: (L) I mean, if they've been popping up out of the underground for thousands of years, how are you going to avoid it?

Given the possible variability among our ancestors, the following might apply:

I think people should find out if they have any ancestors or deceased relatives or somebody who were good and decent people who one can talk to mentally or communicate with by writing letters to them, or dream communication, and ask them for protection. - Yes
Session 18 May 2019

Q: (L) Alright, let's move on to the next item on my list. The next one is... I put this on the list, but I dunno if it should be there. I thought it was something that would be useful: to connect with ancestors and honored saintly type people in 5D for protection. I thought that that would be kind of a useful thing. I think people should find out if they have any ancestors or deceased relatives or somebody who were good and decent people who one can talk to mentally or communicate with by writing letters to them, or dream communication, and ask them for protection.

A: Yes

Q: (Ark) And if you can't find your ancestors, you have to find someone else's ancestors!

(L) Well, that's true. You can hook up with somebody who has good ancestors, and their ancestors become your ancestors by you having shared realities. You're opening up and sharing your worries and troubles. The good ancestors of any group or any one person in a group kind of become the good ancestors of other members of the group.

(Pierre) And here you mentioned not ALL your ancestors - just the good ones. The same is true for the saintly figures. I think people should be aware that there are many saints who were not saints and other people who were vilified who were actually good.

(L) There are saints who were made saints, but they weren't actually very good people. And then there are other saints who deserved that title. That's a good topic for discussion... not a C’s discussion, but rather a discussion amongst people. Another thing I thought it would be useful for people to do would be to guide the newly deceased. If there is somebody in your circle of acquaintances or group or whatever who is in the process of passing over or recently did pass over, you could in some way help guide them in the reality to which they may not be accustomed (obviously), but mainly because of their thought patterns during life. So many people in this materialist-driven world do not think that there is an afterlife or another world. When they get there, they don't know what to do! They don't even realize who or what they are or which way to go. Is that a good one?

A: Yes but for certain people obviously.

Q: (L) That's not something that everybody should do. But if you have a loved one who's dying, it's certainly not going to hurt to talk to them frankly about the process they're going through and what to expect.

As an example of someone who has help, higher level help:

Putin has higher level help. - From whom? - Ancestors and himself in the future and a lot lot LOT of knowledge and awareness.
Session 26 February 2022

(Felipe) Question about Russia: Will Anonymous hack Russian infrastructure and escalate things through those means?
A: Will try but little success.
Q: (Joe) Just for reference: Anonymous is the CIA.
(cinnamon) And the Ukrainian wheat probably isn't getting planted.
(L) Good point!
(Joe) For sure. Expect higher prices.
(L) Expect REALLY high prices.
(Niall) Ukraine is the 3rd biggest supplier of wheat on Earth.
(Joe) Between Ukraine and Russia, they produce 80% of the world's sunflower oil too.
[C's move to 'listen' on the board...]
A: How is it going to go down? Many variables, but Putin has higher level help.

Q: (Altair, Cosmos, Gawan) What do the C's mean that Putin has higher help? From whom?
A: Ancestors and himself in the future and a lot lot LOT of knowledge and awareness.

BTW, tomorrow, October 7 is the birthday of Vladimir Putin

 

[YoYa]

Yesterday, I came across a perspective that touched me deeply - perhaps precisely because my own near-death experience did not involve classic elements such as tunnels, relatives, or angelic singing. The idea that the “tunnel” could be a gentle mechanism for moving the soul toward rebirth felt ..... - right to me.
But what do I know?

Here is the text:
According to Gnostic understanding, material existence is a kind of prison to which souls return again and again through deception - this includes near-death experiences.

In this context, there is often talk of the “tunnel” described in near-death experiences: it is not a heavenly passage, but an illusion to entice the soul to voluntarily return to rebirth.

The life review experience, in which one relives one's own life, as well as the appearance of deceased relatives, are also said to be part of this “trick” to obtain consent to return to the cycle.

Actually, I'm disturbed when I think of the thousands upon thousands of near-death experience reports that exist - and now something like this. Do you have any ideas or explanations?

 

[Wandering Star]

Actually, I'm disturbed when I think of the thousands upon thousands of near-death experience reports that exist - and now something like this. Do you have any ideas or explanations?

Yes, my common sense tells me that the average person who doesn't believe in anything supernatural, when he sees a tunnel of light, follows it and just like that... poof, suddenly he's a baby and has been reborn.

Sarcasm just in case.

Getting to reincarnation may be something a little more complex.

Now, if the material realm needs people to use their will to refuse to go to the immaterial world or fifth density, what better way to improve the numbers of those lost in the jungle astral that induce those ideas among the seekers of the new age.

A simple question:

People who are real demons, do they go to the light when they die or would they prefer to stay close to what they like?

 

[Fluffy]

Yesterday, I came across a perspective that touched me deeply - perhaps precisely because my own near-death experience did not involve classic elements such as tunnels, relatives, or angelic singing. The idea that the “tunnel” could be a gentle mechanism for moving the soul toward rebirth felt ..... - right to me.
But what do I know?

Here is the text:
According to Gnostic understanding, material existence is a kind of prison to which souls return again and again through deception - this includes near-death experiences.

In this context, there is often talk of the “tunnel” described in near-death experiences: it is not a heavenly passage, but an illusion to entice the soul to voluntarily return to rebirth.

The life review experience, in which one relives one's own life, as well as the appearance of deceased relatives, are also said to be part of this “trick” to obtain consent to return to the cycle.

Actually, I'm disturbed when I think of the thousands upon thousands of near-death experience reports that exist - and now something like this. Do you have any ideas or explanations?

The C’s say it’s the other way around, not going into the light that opens up when we die is why we can get caught and ‘shoved into a new body’


Intuitively, I feel like I want to reject all notions of avoiding the light after death as false. If you’re still alive and see a light I think that’s probably a whole other can of worms.

Session 24 June 2023

Q: (Joe) Well, it's not true that if someone dies, there's this protective kind of cord-type thing that can't be penetrated and stuff? So when they kill someone, you can't just put that same soul or essence back in the body. You can't revive them, basically. Aliens can't do that either. So was he some kind of automaton afterwards or something, or…? You know what I mean? Is that not true? That they cannot, if they kill someone, they can't revive it - they can't grab the soul back and put ’em back in the body ’cause there's a protective process there once they die...

A: Assuming that the soul has entered the protection of the "silver cord".

Q: (L) So is it that souls that have not left the Earth plane and gone into the light are then susceptible to use by 4D STS?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So 4D STS could theoretically inspire or compel discarnate entities that have not gone into the light to attach to individuals?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) They did also create conditions, or waited for conditions where a lot of people all die in traumatic circumstances - meaning they're a bit confused, they don't go into the light - and then shove them all into new bodies.

Q: (L) Could they do that?

A: Yes yes yes

Q: (Joe) Is that their sneaky plan?

A: Part of it.

 

[whitecoast]

Yesterday, I came across a perspective that touched me deeply - perhaps precisely because my own near-death experience did not involve classic elements such as tunnels, relatives, or angelic singing. The idea that the “tunnel” could be a gentle mechanism for moving the soul toward rebirth felt ..... - right to me.
But what do I know?

Here is the text:
According to Gnostic understanding, material existence is a kind of prison to which souls return again and again through deception - this includes near-death experiences.

In this context, there is often talk of the “tunnel” described in near-death experiences: it is not a heavenly passage, but an illusion to entice the soul to voluntarily return to rebirth.

The life review experience, in which one relives one's own life, as well as the appearance of deceased relatives, are also said to be part of this “trick” to obtain consent to return to the cycle.

Actually, I'm disturbed when I think of the thousands upon thousands of near-death experience reports that exist - and now something like this. Do you have any ideas or explanations?

I call the body of beliefs around doing certain things in the afterlife, whether that's the Gnostics, the schizoposting online, or the Tibetan Book of the Dead, the Flat Heaveners. According to the Cs there is a portal directly to 5D from 3D which opens when we die, which cannot be tampered with by 4D STS. If you avoid that portal you just remain on earth as an earthbound spirit or Dead Dude, and may actually even eventually just decay into primal cosmic energy (getting your soul smashed, in other words).

If we accept the philosophy that people become what they give to life, then whether we reincarnate or not has everything to do with the lessons we embody and live out in life, and nothing to do with these gimmicky tactics and guided near death experiences being some "hack" to escape "the matrix." There's no free lunch.

 

[Wandering Star]

The C’s say it’s the other way around, not going into the light that opens up when we die is why we can get caught and ‘shoved into a new body’


Intuitively, I feel like I want to reject all notions of avoiding the light after death as false. If you’re still alive and see a light I think that’s probably a whole other can of worms.

Session 24 June 2023

I didn't remember that detail in the session.

The maneuver to encourage people not to enter the light then takes on a sinister meaning as a maneuver to obtain "labor."

Thanks Fluffy

 

[Kansas]

This reminds me of a near-death story I was told years ago. The man had, if I remember correctly, a heart attack and was revived. His experience was very different. He remembered being in a room with lots of doors. Doors all around the room. The room was light, maybe white. People were being pushed through the doors as soon as they came in. He didn't say led. He gave me the impression the job of getting people through the doors was done quickly, there was no slowing down. One person after another. Once through the door what happened next for the person, he had no idea. He stood in the room watching.
He shook his head no when I asked him if he thought this had something to do with reincarnation. He was an older Christian gentleman and whether he believed in reincarnation or not I couldn't tell. I got the impression he didn't feel this was the after-life experience he had expected.

This also reminds me of a dream where I was in a spaceship standing next to man seated at a type of control area with windows. He looked like a normal guy wearing a uniform, maybe smaller in stature. Everything in the ship was white including his uniform. I don't remember seeing any controls that managed the ship. Everything was plain and simple. I was only given this message, "aliens are not here to save you, we are only here to observe reincarnation." Short and to the point, then I woke up.

Reading YoYa's and Wandering Star's posts brought up some old memories. Certainly more questions than answers. I would like to learn more about the Gnostic teachings. And Wandering Star, you made a good point to look at the possibility of getting lured into the Astral jungle through the new age movement. Funny how serious life gets when we begin to look at what's really going on. Geez!