DMSA for heavy metal detox - how long available?
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I got all of my mercury fillings replaced last week.
Approx 1.5 hours, and all done one a once. Protection and breathing mask were used. It was about 900 euros.
Now I am waiting for DMSA (_http://www.dmsachelation.com/dmsa-store/) and supplements to arrive.
Since the protocol in Baker's book as well as the protocol suggested by email from the company that sold me the DMSA, are recommending urine tests for mercury, I visited my doctor today to set up the tests for me.
Since there is possibility of toxicity from DMSA itself, Baker's book also recommended tests for blood count, platelets, liver profile, creatinine (and BUN -whatever that is) so my doctor thought that was a good idea to get those (but not BUN as we did not figure out what it is yet).
In his opinion DMSA is a dangerous toxin and he does not recommend it at all. He was of the opinion, the dangerous form of mercury is the kind that is water soluble and will come out in the urine anyways, and he suggested I could monitor my urine for a few weeks without using DMSA at all. He thinks the type of mercury that is not eliminated this way is not harmful to the body and the DMSA is more dangerous, and best only used for serious overexposure like industrial accidents and such.
Anyways, it sounds like the typical practitioner not quite up to date on the effects of mercury and therefore I have not been discouraged to carry out my plan.
The only variation from the above protocol, is I will probably start with my own supply of normal vitamin C crystals as I have not learned to make the liposomal yet, and I have not ordered the expensive stuff on-line. However, I am re-thinking my decision, and I should probably at least order some and use it for part of the protocol, since it seems that it sounds much more effective way to take vitamin C from reading the vitamin C thread.
Approx 1.5 hours, and all done one a once. Protection and breathing mask were used. It was about 900 euros.
Now I am waiting for DMSA (_http://www.dmsachelation.com/dmsa-store/) and supplements to arrive.
Since the protocol in Baker's book as well as the protocol suggested by email from the company that sold me the DMSA, are recommending urine tests for mercury, I visited my doctor today to set up the tests for me.
Since there is possibility of toxicity from DMSA itself, Baker's book also recommended tests for blood count, platelets, liver profile, creatinine (and BUN -whatever that is) so my doctor thought that was a good idea to get those (but not BUN as we did not figure out what it is yet).
In his opinion DMSA is a dangerous toxin and he does not recommend it at all. He was of the opinion, the dangerous form of mercury is the kind that is water soluble and will come out in the urine anyways, and he suggested I could monitor my urine for a few weeks without using DMSA at all. He thinks the type of mercury that is not eliminated this way is not harmful to the body and the DMSA is more dangerous, and best only used for serious overexposure like industrial accidents and such.
Anyways, it sounds like the typical practitioner not quite up to date on the effects of mercury and therefore I have not been discouraged to carry out my plan.
The only variation from the above protocol, is I will probably start with my own supply of normal vitamin C crystals as I have not learned to make the liposomal yet, and I have not ordered the expensive stuff on-line. However, I am re-thinking my decision, and I should probably at least order some and use it for part of the protocol, since it seems that it sounds much more effective way to take vitamin C from reading the vitamin C thread.
I may be totally wrong: but for some reason the thought of temporarily getting some rice flour gluten while doing a one-time detox does not trouble me.
It is quite a different type of gluten than other grains and a lot less of it. Further, using DMSA, itself is pretty harsh stuff, one might not notice much side-effects from the rice flour.
Will not the contamination from rice flour gluten clear itself out fairly well after the detoxing?
I suppose every individual might react differently to the rice flour gluten, and maybe if one is free for a long time it could cause more trouble than if just starting out on the clean diet... so take my thoughts with a huge grain of salt. I just put it out there if anyone has thought in a similar way.
It is quite a different type of gluten than other grains and a lot less of it. Further, using DMSA, itself is pretty harsh stuff, one might not notice much side-effects from the rice flour.
Will not the contamination from rice flour gluten clear itself out fairly well after the detoxing?
I suppose every individual might react differently to the rice flour gluten, and maybe if one is free for a long time it could cause more trouble than if just starting out on the clean diet... so take my thoughts with a huge grain of salt. I just put it out there if anyone has thought in a similar way.
Foxx said:
Hi Foxx,
You're right, I contacted the manufacturer and it is included in the mix:
Breton said:
Hi Breton,
I was having a similar debate in my mind as to the impact of the rice flour in the mix. I was looking back and it seemed like many were using the same DMSA from the dmsachelation website, which is the version that contains the rice flour. I didn't notice any reports on the rice flour having adverse affects, so if there were any perhaps they were masked by the effects of the DMSA detox itself? I think I will probably go ahead with what I have and if it doesn't work out I'll have to try something else.
Has anyone experimented with using cilantro as a heavy metal chelating agent? This article gives the details but it's taken a half hour after you have taken chlorella in increasing doses from a tincture formula.
_http://www.jmbblog.com/2009/03/natural-affordable-chelation-for-all/
_http://www.jmbblog.com/2009/03/natural-affordable-chelation-for-all/
Eva
Jedi
I replaced all of my dental fillings with white ceramic amalgams in late 2010. It was the first step toward detox that I took, and my then new dentist was horrified to find a piece of an aponeurosis needle broken and stuffed in one of my teeth - so although she was a bit hesitant at first she was glad we did it eventually.
Back then I also threw out all plastic and Teflon from my kitchen and replaced it with stainless steel and glassware (and a recent addition of a cast iron frying pan). I even replaced all knives with plastic handles with wooden ones and for a few days I was scrutinising every item in my house for even a tiny bit of plastic on it and getting rid of it - even storage boxes.
Surely I overdid it a bit but eventually being surrounded by wood and wicker instead of that "dead" plastic felt much better.
I also bought a water distiller, which I still use.
Nearly at the same time I started the USD diet and the detox protocol (the detox shake and supplements) adjusted for no soy or tofu. Except, I couldn't afford DMSA and the IR sauna,
which I've now arranged to acquire until April. I suppose this was a really long drawn out preparation time but I'm slowly getting there.
And I regret never sharing the process here, because there were many emotional and physical ups and downs and it took quite a bit of self-persuasion to properly maintain goals. But then I thought there's no point in creating noise just to say what "I'm" doing. I mean, people already know what to do so what good is it for anyone?
I'm trying to detox from that suffocating attitude too now, hence sharing belated. I hope that's okay.
Back then I also threw out all plastic and Teflon from my kitchen and replaced it with stainless steel and glassware (and a recent addition of a cast iron frying pan). I even replaced all knives with plastic handles with wooden ones and for a few days I was scrutinising every item in my house for even a tiny bit of plastic on it and getting rid of it - even storage boxes.
Surely I overdid it a bit but eventually being surrounded by wood and wicker instead of that "dead" plastic felt much better.
I also bought a water distiller, which I still use.
Nearly at the same time I started the USD diet and the detox protocol (the detox shake and supplements) adjusted for no soy or tofu. Except, I couldn't afford DMSA and the IR sauna,
which I've now arranged to acquire until April. I suppose this was a really long drawn out preparation time but I'm slowly getting there.
And I regret never sharing the process here, because there were many emotional and physical ups and downs and it took quite a bit of self-persuasion to properly maintain goals. But then I thought there's no point in creating noise just to say what "I'm" doing. I mean, people already know what to do so what good is it for anyone?
I'm trying to detox from that suffocating attitude too now, hence sharing belated. I hope that's okay.
Should I continue the detox protocol?
This past week I got my urine test results back for mercury after I did the first round with DMSA (the sample was taken just 2 days after taking the 3 day DMSA).
However it was quite low <5 nmol/l. (The test cannot measure anything lower). According to their guidelines anything less than 50 nmol/l is not toxic.
So the doctor and I discussed that perhaps it is not even worth it to continue the detox protocol since it seems my amalgams, nor their removal, nor my environment, has poisoned me with mercury.
Or should I just continue the detox anyways, to encourage removal of other toxins that were not tested?
I did start a second cycle since I had not had the tests back by the time I was due to start it.
BTW: we also did a liver profile, checked kidneys and platelets and so far the DMSA has not negatively impacted those, but he gave me a referral to get these tests again in a couple of months to see they are still ok.
This past week I got my urine test results back for mercury after I did the first round with DMSA (the sample was taken just 2 days after taking the 3 day DMSA).
However it was quite low <5 nmol/l. (The test cannot measure anything lower). According to their guidelines anything less than 50 nmol/l is not toxic.
So the doctor and I discussed that perhaps it is not even worth it to continue the detox protocol since it seems my amalgams, nor their removal, nor my environment, has poisoned me with mercury.
Or should I just continue the detox anyways, to encourage removal of other toxins that were not tested?
I did start a second cycle since I had not had the tests back by the time I was due to start it.
BTW: we also did a liver profile, checked kidneys and platelets and so far the DMSA has not negatively impacted those, but he gave me a referral to get these tests again in a couple of months to see they are still ok.
Re: Should I continue the detox protocol?
In my understanding, a urine test isn't completely reliable what comes to detecting mercury levels in e.g. the brain. Here's a quote:
_http://www.dentalwellness4u.com/mercurydetox/testformercury.html
There also seems to be doubts among the scientists about DMSA:s ability cross the blood brain barrier. If that's true, I don't know what agent could get that nasty stuff out of your brain.
If I were you, I would gently continue detoxing with multiple methods, and not getting "too comfortable" with the idea that your mercury levels are low or nonexistent. Plus, as said, there are other toxins which DMSA can remove.
Breton said:
In my understanding, a urine test isn't completely reliable what comes to detecting mercury levels in e.g. the brain. Here's a quote:
_http://www.dentalwellness4u.com/mercurydetox/testformercury.html
There also seems to be doubts among the scientists about DMSA:s ability cross the blood brain barrier. If that's true, I don't know what agent could get that nasty stuff out of your brain.
If I were you, I would gently continue detoxing with multiple methods, and not getting "too comfortable" with the idea that your mercury levels are low or nonexistent. Plus, as said, there are other toxins which DMSA can remove.
salinafaerie
Padawan Learner
I apologize if I missed this but what is a good iron level to aim for for a woman? I just had a doctor tell me my iron was too low and to take supplements. 
How often? Depends on your levels. Generally, as often as the blood bank allows which is something like every two months for men and every three months for women.
Salinafaerie: your doctor probably doesn't have a single clue about what he is saying.
Both of you should read "The Iron Elephant". You can have "low hematocrit" and still suffer from iron overload. See these two threads for more info, but read the book!
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30709.0.html
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30982.new/topicseen.html
Salinafaerie: your doctor probably doesn't have a single clue about what he is saying.
Both of you should read "The Iron Elephant". You can have "low hematocrit" and still suffer from iron overload. See these two threads for more info, but read the book!
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30709.0.html
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30982.new/topicseen.html
