Dyatlov Pass incident
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Re: Аbout DYATLOV PASS incident
This looks like already a THIRD group of nine perished/lost people, if we also take this ancient legend into account:
Niall said:Laura said:
ANOTHER group of 9 hikers??
This looks like already a THIRD group of nine perished/lost people, if we also take this ancient legend into account:
Just wanted to give an update on the story. It was determined that the body belongs to Oleg Borodin, who settled on the Dyatlov Pass about two years ago and lived as a hermit in very poor conditions. Here's the only article that I could find in English about it. It seems like an automated translation from Russian, though.
The general impression of people who passed through the place where he lived, that he was odd and perhaps not particularly stable. Two years ago he suddenly changed his habits and left his home, supposedly to join a sect. But then none knows why he ended up in the Dyatlov Pass. So not sure if there are any supernatural aspects here. But will see. The investigation is still ongoing.
In any case, there is a truly fascinating and interesting lecture by Vadim Chernobrov, who is a Russian John Keel+David Paulides combined, and who is the head of "Kosmopoisk" association. Pity it is only in Russian. And he talks about this place and region in general, and how death of 9 tourists back in 1959 was only one case out of many other mysterious and unexplained cases of disappearances and deaths. He also refutes all kind of nonsensical theories and ideas, like for example that it was a secret government assassination, etc.
In the lecture he analyzed various curious facts and forensic data, but he also mentioned that various oddities started even before the final moments of their lives. According to him there were all kind of details that indicated that something strange happened in the evening, and when they were still preparing for the night. He said that they were experienced tourists that knew how to behave and what needed to be done before going to sleep in such extreme weather. And that their diaries indicate that they all had their assigned roles and responsibilities.
And yet, for some strange reason they stopped doing whatever they were doing (like making fire or eating sandwiches that one of the girls prepared), and instead started to work on the wall newspaper (a common thing to do among activist communist students). They didn't finish it either, but they did write the title in big letters: "Now we know - "snowmen" exist in Kanten!" (Kanten is the name of their region. Perhaps spelled differently, not sure). Back then investigators thought that students referred to themselves as "snowmen", but in Russian it is the name of Yeti too. Chernobrov says that we can't know for sure, and then moves on to talking about the events that happened later on.
If you know Russian, the lecture is highly recommended. In overall, it seems like whatever happened included several phenomena, like ball lightning, ELF, etc.
The general impression of people who passed through the place where he lived, that he was odd and perhaps not particularly stable. Two years ago he suddenly changed his habits and left his home, supposedly to join a sect. But then none knows why he ended up in the Dyatlov Pass. So not sure if there are any supernatural aspects here. But will see. The investigation is still ongoing.
In any case, there is a truly fascinating and interesting lecture by Vadim Chernobrov, who is a Russian John Keel+David Paulides combined, and who is the head of "Kosmopoisk" association. Pity it is only in Russian. And he talks about this place and region in general, and how death of 9 tourists back in 1959 was only one case out of many other mysterious and unexplained cases of disappearances and deaths. He also refutes all kind of nonsensical theories and ideas, like for example that it was a secret government assassination, etc.
In the lecture he analyzed various curious facts and forensic data, but he also mentioned that various oddities started even before the final moments of their lives. According to him there were all kind of details that indicated that something strange happened in the evening, and when they were still preparing for the night. He said that they were experienced tourists that knew how to behave and what needed to be done before going to sleep in such extreme weather. And that their diaries indicate that they all had their assigned roles and responsibilities.
And yet, for some strange reason they stopped doing whatever they were doing (like making fire or eating sandwiches that one of the girls prepared), and instead started to work on the wall newspaper (a common thing to do among activist communist students). They didn't finish it either, but they did write the title in big letters: "Now we know - "snowmen" exist in Kanten!" (Kanten is the name of their region. Perhaps spelled differently, not sure). Back then investigators thought that students referred to themselves as "snowmen", but in Russian it is the name of Yeti too. Chernobrov says that we can't know for sure, and then moves on to talking about the events that happened later on.
If you know Russian, the lecture is highly recommended. In overall, it seems like whatever happened included several phenomena, like ball lightning, ELF, etc.
Eulenspiegel
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I remember reading about the Dyatlov Pass incident, thinking that it was almost too stereotypical in how it contains all the elements of typical horror stories.
1) Ancient Legend warns of the evils associated with an ominous place. In the legend, 9 people perish.
2) A group of 9 young people go on an innocent hike there, and promptly disappear.
3) Upon being found, the mystery thickens because all the little gritty details are particularly weird, from radioactivity to missing tongues.
If I remember it right, none of them had their shoes on.
Now compare it to Missing 411:
What if they got misplaced through a "glitch" and in the ensuing semi-conscious chaos got lost, trying to make sense of their surroundings and then died of hypothermia?
1) Ancient Legend warns of the evils associated with an ominous place. In the legend, 9 people perish.
2) A group of 9 young people go on an innocent hike there, and promptly disappear.
3) Upon being found, the mystery thickens because all the little gritty details are particularly weird, from radioactivity to missing tongues.
If I remember it right, none of them had their shoes on.
Now compare it to Missing 411:
What if they got misplaced through a "glitch" and in the ensuing semi-conscious chaos got lost, trying to make sense of their surroundings and then died of hypothermia?
Haven't had any free time to watch this yet - but its on my list - seems its exploring yeti explanation for Diatlov pass incident
Z said:
We watched it last week and there is apparently very interesting new information in there, of what happed. The thing is that the discovery channel completely over-hyped the data there in a american sensionalistic way, so much, that you wonder at the end how much of the information in there is actually true and how much is made up, to get as much views as possible.
If we assume that the actual data there is true and not made up, it still almost sounds to good to be true.
Basically they interview two local people, who claim that they were the first ones that officially found the dead bodies. Those two guys say that that they found unusual footprints near the tend,,probably bigfoot or something. Then they interviewed some local people from a tribe who were initially suspected to have murdered the hikers, by investigators.
Those natives claimed that they encountered the hikers and rather directly/routhly told them to not go to the "mountain of the devil", because it is a forbidden and dangerous area. The hikers went on anyway, which was kind of foolish (if true) IMO, to ignore those warnings from the natives.
Later in the documentary they apparently get to see a never before seen secret russian file from the military, which proofs that the military was there, before the hikers weare oficially discovered. That military file also includes a picture of those footprints, the eye witnisses claimed to have seen. That picture doesn't look very clear, so I dunno... A couple of other pictures who were made by the hikers before they died, were also in the file. One of those pictures shows something that the documentary producers claim to be lights in the sky. Hard to tell IMO... And one of the last pictures the hikers took, is in the file as well: Clearly a picture of a Bigfoot like creature next to a tree...
And the kicker: In that russian military file, one of the last statements of a hiker, from his dairy, was recorded as saying something like: "Now we know that the snow man exists"....
So if any of that is true, it suggest that bigfoot and/or ufo activity was involved in some way...
Z said:
Nothing diabolical. It is a surname of the disappeared group's leader. Igor Dyatlov. It was renamed after their deaths. But indeed before the local gave it a more sinister name: a mountain of dead, or a mountain of nine dead, because there were several accidents that involved deaths of nine people.
Also, pity that you don't know Russian, because the video I mention in the previous post talks about many so called strange facts and photographs and gives them a logical explanation, but also on the other hand does mention curious things too. Here's the relevant quote:
Keit said:
This is a really strange and weird story, how the bodies were when they found them... Here is a little video about this case, it looks serious and you can see some pictures of the bodies. Weird!
Thank you Z for the video The Killes lives. It looks good!
Thank you Z for the video The Killes lives. It looks good!
It is an interesting mystery.
I noticed a game has been made about it - it appears to be an 'atmospheric exploration' game with horror themes. I doubt the game developers theory comes close to the truth - but any theory is interesting. I often wonder if media entertainment developed on the subject of these sorts of mysteries are funded to deliberately disarm or divert attention or encourage the view that it's just a fantastic mystery to shrug off.
_kholat.com
That's the website address - I think some of the generated scenery is lovely none the less.
I noticed a game has been made about it - it appears to be an 'atmospheric exploration' game with horror themes. I doubt the game developers theory comes close to the truth - but any theory is interesting. I often wonder if media entertainment developed on the subject of these sorts of mysteries are funded to deliberately disarm or divert attention or encourage the view that it's just a fantastic mystery to shrug off.
_kholat.com
That's the website address - I think some of the generated scenery is lovely none the less.
