EgyptAir flight MS804 disappears from radar between Paris and Cairo

[Dirgni]

My condolence to the families of all the plane crashes, accidents and disappearances.

So far it looks unrelated to the EgyptAir crash, I think. And looking just now at all the images from the debris of EgyptAir flight, it brings to mind the still missing MH730 and all the reports that periodically surface about its wreckage found on this island or that. We never had a single convincing image for that flight. Not that we will, but as a comparison, it it telling, or so I think.

Thank you, Alana, for the feedback!

Yes, I find lack of "concrete information" regarding this crash very perplexing and suspicious. Especially, since in other recent crashed there was a lot of information flying around. Indeed reminds of the flight MH730, and even then there was more data.

The EgyptAir flight MS804 disappearance reminds of the flight MH730, too. But for this one, they could not tell that it vanished for good somewhere in Pacific. The Mediterranean is too small for a narrative like this and too many people are around it. The story they tell us could be the truth. But it could also be a narrative. PTB would most probably come up with something like this when they would like to hide another MH730 case.

Some more incidents involving planes.

These two on Thursday also:
Pilot killed in Sevierville plane crash identified

2 injured in crash of small plane near West Des Moines

This one apparently from Saturday:
Pilot unhurt in light plane crash at Devonport Airport

Yesterday at about 20:45pm a small plane crashed at Jesenwang (west of Munich, Germany). Two died.
German article: http://www.merkur.de/lokales/fuerstenfeldbruck/flieger-jesenwang-abgestuerzt-polizei-riegelt-6421261.html

 

[Alana]

So far it looks unrelated to the EgyptAir crash, I think. And looking just now at all the images from the debris of EgyptAir flight, it brings to mind the still missing MH730 and all the reports that periodically surface about its wreckage found on this island or that. We never had a single convincing image for that flight. Not that we will, but as a comparison, it it telling, or so I think.

Thank you, Alana, for the feedback!

Yes, I find lack of "concrete information" regarding this crash very perplexing and suspicious. Especially, since in other recent crashed there was a lot of information flying around. Indeed reminds of the flight MH730, and even then there was more data.

Oh, I wasn't very clear. What I am trying to say is that with the EgyptAir flight, there is concrete evidence, there are pictures of wreckage which are identifiable. With flight MH730, every once in a while we have reports saying "MH730 debris found near/on/under....etc". If I was a relative of one of the passengers on the MH730, I would be looking at the images from this recent crash of EgyptAir, and it would make me think that all other reports about the MH370 found wreckage are BS because the media never produced the kind of convincing images about said wreckage.

What I find similar in both EgyptAir crash and MH730 disappearance is the way the information comes through the media, which I think it shows that whatever happened to both planes was not part of some group's, secret intelligence's or state's plan. Something happened that they truly don't know (those in the know) what it was. The C's gave us some interesting info about flight MH730. Regarding this latest crash, I have no idea. It could have been a fireball, weather related, or some kind of accident/error cause.

I hope what I am making more sense this time, I even had a cup of coffee

 

[Windmill knight]

And it is started again ,EGYPTAIR PILOT TOLD COLLEAGUES HE WAS READY TO DIE; BROTHER CALLS HIM a MARTYR, link:
http://therightscoop.com/just-in-egyptair-pilot-told-colleagues-he-was-ready-to-die-brother-calls-him-a-martyr/

Also:
"The Captain Of Flight MS804 Is A Muslim Linked To Major Muslim Terrorist Involved In Killing Americans In Benghazi"
http://shoebat.com/2016/05/20/breaking-the-captain-of-flight-ms804-is-a-muslim-linked-to-major-muslim-terrorist-involved-in-killing-americans-in-benghazi/

The first link is lost in translation at best, but it sounds most likely like malicious disinformation. The allegation that the pilot told the brother he was about to die comes from an article which is conveniently in Arabic. I used google translate and couldn't find anything in there about the brother saying such a thing. Instead, he just says he talked regularly with his brother and that later he expressed his shock to his father after the crash.

Then the rightscoop article says that the pilot organized a farewell meal days before the incident to say goodbye to his friends cause he was going to die. Again, this is linked to another article in Arabic, and what I can gather from google translate is that he did organize a lunch with his friends, and he was such a great person and friendly AS IF he knew he was saying his last goodbyes. In other words, the author of the article in Arabic was being kind of poetic there about the fate of the pilot.

The second link above from shoebat only contributes a picture of a guy standing next to the pilot. Shoebat claims that the guy is a "well-known Muslim brotherhood jihadist", and apart from that there is only speculation. That is assuming that the guy standing next to the pilot is indeed who they say he is, and that he is not only a Muslim Brotherhood guy but also a "jihadist", which are two entirely different things. For all we know, he was taking a flight, thanked the pilot and someone decided to take a picture of the occasion.

In short, this is all "Islamic terror" hysteria and propaganda.

 

[casper]

In short, this is all "Islamic terror" hysteria and propaganda.

As I said:

And it is started again

 

[Fluffy]

Just chiming in to say I had a dream about a week ago that I was flying to Greece but ended up in Paris and got off the plane before everyone because I was dying for a smoke. I was standing on the tarmac fagging away when another plane came in with wings sideways and crashed into my plane. Then France turned into Italy.
I also see 911 on the clock a lot and have done so since 2012.. It's been more frequent lately.

 

[Windmill knight]

In short, this is all "Islamic terror" hysteria and propaganda.

As I said:

And it is started again

I know! I didn't think you bought into it. ;)

 

[angelburst29]

Passengers and crew of EgyptAir flight 804: Who were they? (Photos)
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/217301/Egypt/Politics-/Passengers-and-crew-of-EgyptAir-flight--Who-were-t.aspx

Families and loved ones of those aboard EgyptAir flight 804, which is believed to have crashed in the Mediterranean on Thursday, have begun mourning their relatives after debris from the wreckage was found on Friday.

A special prayer was held at mosques around Egypt on Friday to mourn the death of the Egyptian passengers, while EgyptAir announced that a memorial service would be held for their crew on Monday at a prominent mosque in New Cairo.

Relatives of many of the foreign victims of the crash flew into Cairo on Saturday for briefings on the search and retrieval process of the plane and of those lost.

Briefing sessions with EgyptAir officials were held at two hotels near Cairo airport – one with relatives of crew, one with those of passengers.


PHOTO GALLERY: Egyptian army posts pictures of EgyptAir MS804 debris retrieved from Mediterranean
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentMulti/217303/Multimedia.aspx

The US-based intelligence analysis company Stratfor said that the fact that no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the EgyptAir MS804 flight crash could possibly mean the accident has been caused by a technical failure rather than a bomb.

Stratfor: Bomb Unlikely Behind EgyptAir Plane Crash
http://sputniknews.com/world/20160522/1040033178/egyptair-crash-ulikely-bomb.html

The fact that no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the EgyptAir MS804 flight crash could possibly mean the accident has been caused by a technical failure rather than a bomb, the US-based intelligence analysis company Stratfor said on Saturday.

"As the investigation into the crash of EgyptAir Flight 804 continues and searchers begin to find evidence, the jihadist world has been strangely silent. The one obvious explanation for this is that a catastrophic mechanical or electrical failure brought down the aircraft rather than a bomb," Stratfor said in an analysis.

According to Stratfor, jihadists have claimed responsibility the same day or within 24 hours for all major terrorist attacks in recent times, including those in Brussels, Paris and Jakarta.

According to the analysis, the fact that not a single terrorist group has associated itself with the EgyptAir plane crash does not mean the accident was not a terrorist attack.

Russia’s flagship air carrier Aeroflot passenger plane made an unscheduled landing in the westernmost Russian exclave of Kaliningrad en route from Moscow to Hannover, Germany, an airport official said Sunday.

Aeroflot Plane Makes Unscheduled Landing en Route to Hannover
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160522/1040048616/aeroflot-landing-hannover.html

KALININGRAD (Sputnik) – Natalya Gritsun said the plane landed at the airport as planned, and all 154 people on board have received accommodation and were provided with amenities.

"A plane flying from Moscow to Hannover landed at the Khrabrovo Airport in Kaliningrad at 11:32 [09:32 GMT]. The aircraft requested a landing for technical reasons," Gritsun told RIA Novosti.

She added that the pilot will decide on how to proceed further while the plane and passengers are in Kaliningrad.

 

[Possibility of Being]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/517185/egyptair-ms804-wreckage-photos-smoke-plane-crash-missing-french-investigators

A first emergency alert from near the flight deck was sounded before smoke was detected in the cockpit.

Temperature changes were also registered in the at the right-hand cockpit window and the plane windscreen.

Earlier, Dailystar published another article:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/516868/ISIS-claims-blew-up-Egyptian-Air-flight-MS804-bomb-terror-cairo-egypt-daesh

ISIS 'blew up' EgyptianAir flight MS804 – reports
Published 19th May 2016

Reports have emerged claiming ISIS’ media arm AMAQ confirmed the terror group’s fighters placed a bomb on the doomed flight.

It’s also claimed there are celebrations in Raqqa, Syria.

The European Strategic Intelligence and Security Centre earlier reported an Egyptian affiliate of ISIS claimed responsibility for bringing down the flight.

It was later followed up by news site Newsday 24/7, which claimed ISIS's news agency AMAQ confirmed its fighters planeted a bomb on board.

The reports are so far unverified.

 

[loreta]

One question: so a lot of you are believing that when they say this accident was not produced by a terrorist attack? Don't you think strange that they insist on this theory? No terrorist attack? And why suddenly you, some of you, believe them? It is just a question, nothing more.

I think that if they insist in saying it was not a terrorist attack it is maybe because it was a terrorist attack. But they don't want to be a terrorist attack because they are "fighting" supposedly against them. And if terrorists continue to put bombs on airplanes that means that their security in airports are null. And there is a big show in France next month. And France needs tourists for this big show next month.

I don't know, it is very confuse, also. Too many articles, to much information and I myself is confuse.

 

[Ca.]

One question: so a lot of you are believing that when they say this accident was not produced by a terrorist attack? Don't you think strange that they insist on this theory? No terrorist attack? And why suddenly you, some of you, believe them? It is just a question, nothing more.

I think that if they insist in saying it was not a terrorist attack it is maybe because it was a terrorist attack. But they don't want to be a terrorist attack because they are "fighting" supposedly against them. And if terrorists continue to put bombs on airplanes that means that their security in airports are null. And there is a big show in France next month. And France needs tourists for this big show next month.

I don't know, it is very confuse, also. Too many articles, to much information and I myself is confuse.

With the onset June so begins the summer Holiday season with all that money, greed will always over power sanity. What ever happen will not let PTB miss out on all that revenue. With mass amounts of taxes that will be leveraged and collected to continue to support there psychotic ways.

Meteor
Bomb on Broad
The sheep don't care, they just keep on texting, taking, and being Zapped on that 4G Apple Smart Phone.

Better to blame the pilots as they have done before as fluke accident. With nothing to see here folks. So its all abroad for gate 3DSTS now boarding..

Always like that Quote "The Sheep Have very short attention spans". And this to will pass until next space rock fly's by.

Business Wire
Airlines for America Projects Summer Air Travel to Hit All-Time High

An Estimated 231 Million Flyers between June and August

To Accommodate Travelers, Airlines Expanding Schedules, Deploying Larger Aircraft

With Record Numbers Traveling, A4A Calls on TSA to Manage Staffing to Meet Higher Demands
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160517006639/en/Airlines-America-Projects-Summer-Air-Travel-Hit
May 18, 2016 12:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time

WASHINGTON-- (BUSINESS WIRE)--Airlines for America (A4A), the industry trade organization for the leading U.S. airlines, today reviewed first quarter 2016 results for U.S. passenger airlines and released its summer air travel forecast, which projects summer 2016 passenger volumes to exceed the previous all-time high set in 2015 by 4 percent.

“Research shows that people who get through security more efficiently have a significantly better travel experience”
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Approximately 231.1 million passengers (2.51 million per day) are expected to fly in scheduled service on U.S. airlines from June 1 – Aug. 31 compared to 222.3 million passengers over the same time period in 2015, a 95,500 passengers-per-day increase. This includes 30.5 million travelers (331,000 per day) on international flights. To accommodate the record volumes, airlines will be offering 2.78 million seats per day to meet demand, which equates to an increase of 109,400 seats year-over-year.

“We saw airfares fall throughout 2015 and that trend continued in the first three months of 2016,” said John Heimlich, A4A Vice President and Chief Economist. “As airlines compete for passengers across an increasing portfolio of markets, air travel is becoming increasingly affordable and accessible.”

First Quarter 2016 Financial Summary

Net profit: The 13 percent pre-tax profit margin reflects the results of 10 U.S. passenger airlines – Alaska Airlines, Allegiant Air, American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Hawaiian Airlines, JetBlue Airways, Southwest Airlines, Spirit Airlines, United Airlines and Virgin America.

Operating Revenues and Expenses: Operating revenues were flat year-over-year, as lower airfares offset traffic gains. Operating expenses fell $459 million or 1.5 percent as 28.9 percent lower fuel costs offset 12.6 percent higher labor costs. Airlines also saw an increase in airport terminal rents and landing fees as well as aircraft ownership costs.

Capital Expenditures: In addition to expanding schedules, airlines are deploying larger aircraft – primarily by replacing 50-seat airplanes with larger regional jets.

Employment: U.S. passenger airlines added workers to the payrolls throughout the first quarter of 2016 as February marked the 27th consecutive month of year-over-year gains. (March data was not available at the time of this release.) The year-to-date average of 403,100 full-time equivalent employees (FTEs) constituted an increase of approximately 25,000 FTEs from 2010 and the highest level since 2008.

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[angelburst29]

I stumbled upon a very curious incident that made me wonder about the possible connection between this story and the disappearing flight. The article is in Russian, but you can read here a somewhat decent, but probably automatic translation. Or maybe someone can find an article on the Greek news site? Or perhaps some English speaking site?

Anyways, the gist of the story is that 15 hours after the disappearance of EgyptAir flight MS804, another flight couldn't be contacted. The plane belonged to one of the American airlines, and it flew from France to Kuwait with 140 passengers on board.

The plane couldn't be contacted for several hours (!), so Greek military planes were dispatched from their base in Cyprus, and when they reached the plane they saw through the cockpit that both of the pilots were asleep (!). Apparently flight attendant saw the military planes and woke up the pilots. All this time the plane was flying on autopilot. Apparently it managed to fly all this time by itself while dispatchers from Italy and Greece tried to contact them. Even NATO was alerted, since they were afraid it was a terror attack.

Now, apparently both pilots falling asleep has a precedence. For example, back in 2009 two pilots flying to Hawaii fell asleep and overshoot the airport. But they fell asleep for over an hour (not hours!), and luckily this behavior doesn't seem to be that prevalent. Or at least we hope so.

I just wonder if there wasn't something else involved here? We don't know what really happened to EgyptAir flight MS804, so it is just a wild speculation, but what if both pilots also fell asleep and their plane was remotely controlled? And the same was attempted with the second plane? Or maybe there is some other explanation? Or it is just a coincidence. Thoughts?

This reported incident may be connected to the story above but it doesn't mention that the pilots were asleep in the cockpit. Which begs the question, "Why would "both pilots" be asleep"? This Delta flight was traveling from Paris to Kuwait.

Greek jets scrambled to US plane after EgyptAir crash: Source
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/greek-jets-scrambled-to/2806004.html?cx_tag=trending&cid=tg:recos:trending:standard#cxrecs_s

ATHENS: Greece scrambled fighter jets to monitor a US passenger plane that failed to identify itself when entering Greek airspace this week, an official said on Saturday (May 21), confirming media reports.

The Delta Air Lines aircraft, flying from Paris to Kuwait, entered the Athens Flight Information Region(FIR) at 19.10 (17:10GMT) Thursday, the same day the EgyptAir plane crashed in the Mediterranean shortly after leaving Greek airspace.

Its pilots failed to answer to repeated calls from the Greek Civil Aviation authorities, according to various media reports, confirmed to AFP by a Greek defence ministry source.

Following military protocol, at 19.49 (1749 GMT) two F-16 fighter jets intercepted the Delta airplane while it was flying near the Aegean island of Santorini.

According to the Mega Channel, one of the fighter jets flew in front of the passenger plane and with light signals alerted the pilots to switch on their radio on the right frequency.

The Ant1 Channel said that the pilots contacted Greek authorities at 19.55 (1755 GMT) and exited the Athens FIR at 20.10 (1810 GMT).

The incident occurred after the EgyptAir Airbus A320 carrying 66 people from Paris to Cairo disappeared off radar screens in the early hours of Thursday, without its crew sending a distress signal.

There was no suggestion of a link between the EgyptAir crash and the Delta incident.

 

[angelburst29]

A BIG FWIW (probably not much if anything at all):

_https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-response-to-hillary-clinton1

- May 19, 2016 -
Donald J. Trump Response to Hillary Clinton

The fact that Hillary thinks the temporary Muslim ban, which she calls the "Muslim ban", promotes terrorism, proves Bernie Sanders was correct when he said she is not qualified to be President.

Look at the carnage all over the world including the World Trade Center, San Bernardino, Paris, the USS Cole, Brussels and an unlimited number of other places. She and our totally ignorant President won't even use the term Radical Islamic Terrorism. And by the way, ask Hillary who blew up the plane last night - another terrible, but preventable tragedy. She has bad judgement and is unfit to serve as President at this delicate and difficult time in our country's history.

Presidential candidate Donald Trump suggested that the disappearance of an EgyptAir plane was a terrorist act.

Trump Claims Missing EgyptAir Plane 'Blown Out of Sky'
http://sputniknews.com/society/20160520/1039940131/trump-egyptair-plane-terrorism.html

US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump suggested that the disappearance of an EgyptAir plane in the Mediterranean Sea was a result of it being "blown out of the sky" and was a terrorist act.

"[It] happened about 12 hours ago. A plane got blown out of the sky. And if anything, if anybody thinks wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100 percent wrong, folks," Trump said at a New Jersey fundraiser on Thursday.

Earlier in the day, the Republican candidate wrote on his Twitter account that the siltation looked "like yet another terrorist attack."

The EgyptAir airline has decided to retire the flight number MS804 after its plane heading from Paris to Cairo plane crashed, local media reported Saturday.

EgyptAir Retires Flight Number MS804 Following Crash of Paris-Cairo Flight
http://sputniknews.com/world/20160521/1040010998/egyptair-crash-flight.html

The Paris-Cairo flight number has been changed to MS802, while the Cairo-Paris flight now operates under the number of MS801, according to the Youm7 portal.

On Thursday, the EgyptAir Airbus A320 plane, carrying a total of 66 people, disappeared from radar screens over the Mediterranean Sea, 10 miles into Egyptian airspace. The plane was headed from Paris to Cairo.

EgyptAir has said via Twitter that the Egyptian Armed Forces have discovered the wreckage and personal items from flight MS804 295 kilometers (183 miles) from the coast of Alexandria.

 

[Ca.]

"The Aviation Herald"
http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=0
Comments from there forum:
what equipment?
By EGartner on Sunday, May 22nd 2016 19:40Z

What kind of Underwater Locator Beacon does Flight MS804 have?

The recommended extended transmission period up to to 90 d and
as for airplanes on public flights over maritime areas recommended with an additional transmitting frequency (e.g. 8.5 kHz - 9.5 kHz)
The Daily Beast:
"Sea searches for airplanes like the EgyptAir Airbus A320 are repeatedly crippled by having to depend on equipment dating back to the 1960s."

As for CVR, there were in the 1970ties, wire-recorders securely packed into a strong tide round orange capsula,
able to float if come free. No ULB attached. Thanks god never had to see one after a crash in my time.

Just found: According to "aviation sources" in Paris Mohamed Said Shoukair spoke to controllers about 'an emergency descent' aimed at putting out a fire, ending in a 'distress call'.

Hope the submarine can help locate within the remaining time, since crashed in Deep Seas near Underwater Mountains, in ca.2,000 m.

Graveyard spiral
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_spiral
Physics

The pilot mistakenly believes they are flying with the wings level, but with a descent indicated on the altimeter and vertical speed indicator. This usually leads to the pilot "pulling up" or attempting to climb by pulling back on the control yoke. In a banking turn, however, the airplane is at an angle and will be describing a large circle in the sky. Pulling back on the control yoke has the effect of tightening that circle and causing the airplane to lose altitude at an increasing rate, like water swirling in a drain or funnel

[Analysis] EGYPTAIR #MS804 CRASH due north of Egypt coast.
VASAviation -
Published on May 19, 2016

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L'avion dell'Egyptair vol MS804, peut-être abattu par un "Météorite"
Posted: 22 May 2016 2:31 AM PDT
http://areazone51ufos.blogspot.fr/2016/05/lavion-dellegyptair-vol-ms804-peut-etre.html

Most international media, Italy, the Tgcom24, published a news story about the tragedy of flight Egyptair - MS804 with incredible assumptions, or to cause the plane crash was not an act of terrorism, but a meteorite.

The specialized site "The Aviation Herald" public signals sent Airbus disappeared. And the network it runs a hypothesis that knows unbelievable, but perhaps plausible.

Egyptair flight black box disappeared provide answers about what happened in the meantime, web experts make their guesses. And among the different voices there are, however, some data: published on the website of the Aviation Herald that collects the signals from all civil airlines in the world is considered very reliable. Users, analyzing, also suggested that the aircraft was struck by a meteorite.

Simon Hradecky, Austrian security expert and aviation, is the site operator The Aviation Herald. And "it considered as a source of confidence and, of course, took no position on what happened, but analyzed the data in its possession. And the main elements are the mistakes of Airbus automatic signals sent at the last minute before disappearing from radar.

These signals come from the Aircraft Communications Addressing and System (ACARS) of the report:

Now 00: 26Z 3044 defrost system Cabin Window Right
Now 00: 26Z 561200 Open Window Sensor
Now 00: 26Z 2600 smoking in the toilet
Now 00: 27Z 2600 smoke in the cabin
Now 00: 28Z 561100 Window of the right sensor
Now 00: 29Z 2200 failed Autopilot

The hypothesis of meteorite - Smoke in the cabin had already spoken and the authorities have confirmed the news. Since there is not even news of a claim by a terrorist theme. So what ? That network experts begin to guess, from a distance, it must be said, but it would explain the mystery: that of the meteorite.

If a small asteroid, even the size of a golf ball and therefore not detectable by radar, had struck the cockpit would probably caused immediate technical damage to render it unusable.

The smoke in the cabin could have been caused by fire. And even depressurization or even the direct impact could have caused the immediate death of the pilot. So this explains why there was no help. The Greek control tower monitoring the flight MS804 Egyptair said he noticed strange trajectories and he tried to contact the crew, but without response. A hypothesis that remain at least until it has to be recovered in the black box.

Story not found on there website.
TGCOM24
http://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/

 

[angelburst29]

The Egyptian media raised the possibility that the A320 passenger jet of EgyptAir airline which was en route from Paris to Cairo crashed due to Israeli fighter jets' exercises in the region.

Egyptian Media Blame Israel for A320 Passenger Jet Crash
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950302000466

Al-Mesri al-Youm newspaper wrote that in its report of the plane's crash, Greece hasn’t mentioned Israeli warplanes' wargames in the Southern parts of Crete Island which was revealed earlier this month by Tel Aviv, adding that the maneuvers had started one night before the Egyptian plane's crash.

It added that the exercises are staged with the goal of training the Israeli air force pilots using Greece's airspace which is adjacent to Egypt and Libya.

According to the report, Israel started the maneuvers on May 18 and they will last until next January.

Egypt’s Civil Aviation Ministry confirmed in a statement on May 19 that A320 passenger jet has crashed.

Earlier, the ministry had said that an SOS message was sent out from the missing jet.

"The military received an SOS message from the plane emergency devices," it said.

There were 56 passengers from 12 countries and 10 crew members onboard.

The plane was expected to land in the Egyptian capital at 3:05 a.m. local time. The jet disappeared from radars some 280 kilometers from the Egyptian coast.

The military received an SOS message from the plane’s emergency devices at 04:26 a.m. local time (0226 GMT).

This is the second major incident with Egypt’s flag carrier airline this year.

 

[Pierre]

One question: so a lot of you are believing that when they say this accident was not produced by a terrorist attack? Don't you think strange that they insist on this theory? No terrorist attack? And why suddenly you, some of you, believe them? It is just a question, nothing more.

Usually 'they' are the ones who orchestrate 'terrorist' attacks and 'they' also are the ones who spin the media. So, except if there is some infighting among them, I don't understand why they would commit an act that is contrary to their agenda.

I think that if they insist in saying it was not a terrorist attack it is maybe because it was a terrorist attack. But they don't want to be a terrorist attack because they are "fighting" supposedly against them.

Well, 'they' usually like terrorist attacks: more funding, increased control exerted over the population, etc.

And if terrorists continue to put bombs on airplanes that means that their security in airports are null.

You know how they brush those things away: the security breach has been solved, it won't happen again, it proves that more controls are necessary, etc.

And there is a big show in France next month. And France needs tourists for this big show next month.

Sport tourism in France doesn't seem to be their main concern since they blew a bomb next to Paris stadium right during a soccer game.

I don't know, it is very confuse, also. Too many articles, to much information and I myself is confuse.

The confusion through information overload, contradictory statements are part of the plan. Not to mention the emotional state induced by such traumatic events.